: it's getting bad. I can't control myself



D3l7a3ch0
02-26-13, 07:13 PM
My driving is downright criminal, I need some advice. I don't know who else to talk to about this.

so anyway, I was wondering what's a good coilover kit for maybe an inch of lowering and some stiffer spring rates?

Wingsfan4life
02-26-13, 08:06 PM
Yours too huh? My advice on that is; Leave it stock and you'll keep your speeds a lil lower..lol..enjoy but be careful and by all means not around other motorists..ya never know how there gonna react when they see a car sideways on a cloverleaf speeding near them, while there eyes are as big as beachballs

JDB
02-26-13, 08:10 PM
Cheapest way is Ground Control and MM kit.

But you're better off mod'ing the nut behind the wheel with DEs.

joshuajohn1981
02-26-13, 09:00 PM
My driving is downright criminal, I need some advice. I don't know who else to talk to about this.

I definitely find myself in the same boat sometimes. This car is just way too much fun. I am thinking that maybe going to the track with it once in a while may help but I haven't gone yet.

Where are you located?

darkman
02-26-13, 09:04 PM
KW Variant3

Manofmetal01
02-26-13, 09:40 PM
^^^^

odla
02-26-13, 10:53 PM
Hit the track and it will keep you from doing the crazy stuff on the street. I see it this way. Pay for ticket or pay for track time. Track time is cheaper.

carlson_mn
02-26-13, 11:00 PM
make a switch that limits power anytime the instant mpg readout drops below 8mpg. Below that is when you are breaking one law, statute, or ordinance.

D3l7a3ch0
02-27-13, 12:38 AM
Cheapest way is Ground Control and MM kit.

But you're better off mod'ing the nut behind the wheel with DEs.

yes it's bad. and I hear a clunk in the back under hard acceleration, sometimes it's on the left, sometimes on the right. :-/

Ground Control like: this kit? (http://thmotorsports.com/store/product/itmitem.aspx?ItemId=150593)

and to me, MM means maximum motorsports. will you clarify that one please? also, what is a DE


I definitely find myself in the same boat sometimes. This car is just way too much fun. I am thinking that maybe going to the track with it once in a while may help but I haven't gone yet.

Where are you located?

Cerritos 90703


KW Variant3

I'm not sure what KW is, will you disambiguate, please :)


make a switch that limits power anytime the instant mpg readout drops below 8mpg. Below that is when you are breaking one law, statute, or ordinance.

mpg is an interesting metric to set a power limiter by. don't think I would use it, though... there are times when I need the power...

mstrjon32
02-27-13, 01:57 AM
My driving is downright criminal, I need some advice. I don't know who else to talk to about this.

Move to Germany. Drive on Autobahn. Mash gas all the way down all the time. Go to track. Drive snot out of car.

It's hard to see how I will ever be able to live anywhere else. Especially in the idiotic land of state troopers and 55 mph speed limits.

darkman
02-27-13, 06:53 AM
I'm not sure what KW is, will you disambiguate, please

http://www.kw-suspension.com/us/kw_variant_3.php

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/2009-cadillac-cts-v-appearance-mods/262010-kw-v3-coilovers-installed-w-pics.html

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/2004-2007-cadillac-cts-v-performance/218960-d3-cadillac-offers-kw-v-3-a.html

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/2004-2007-cadillac-cts-v-performance/191335-07-cts-v-upgrades.html#post2137949

D3l7a3ch0
02-27-13, 08:05 AM
D3 is in signal hill whaaaat

wow but there's no way i'm spending $2k on suspension.

if all I want is an inch lower, and better twitch steering response and less sway (after a sway bar upgrade)... what's the least expensive way to do this? (street sway is so embarrassing)

say if I went with eibach springs (http://www.speedengineeringlsx.com/eibach-pro-kit-springs-cts-v-2004-07-382514)--what shocks could I use to avoid the OEM-only situation? would ground control give me more freedom with strut/shock choice?

greater than 1", but less than 2"
easy on the $$
not so concerned about ride quality or adjustment
won't see track use

I get the feeling Eibach is what will help me accomplish this, but the ground control looks $$-light, too.

between Eibach springs and Ground Control, and considering their shock/strut replacement choices and cost, which is the better lowering option? (I'm a "90% is still an A" kinda guy...)

Twitch
02-27-13, 09:29 AM
Adjustmant may not be a priority now, but you might want it down the road.

Ground contron doesn't need MM spacers. Just the "Feffman fix" http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/2004-2007-cadillac-cts-v-general/99150-clunk-gone-ground-control.html

Springs only, you will need MM (Mighty Mouse) spacers or equivalent.

Tony

JDB
02-27-13, 09:38 AM
MM = Mighty Mouse spacer kit

DE = driver's education (road course track days with instructor)

To find some, search here:
www.motorsportreg.com

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Adjustmant may not be a priority now, but you might want it down the road.

Ground contron doesn't need MM spacers. Just the "Feffman fix" http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/2004-2007-cadillac-cts-v-general/99150-clunk-gone-ground-control.html

Springs only, you will need MM (Mighty Mouse) spacers or equivalent.

Tony

I had added washers but still had the clunk on the RR any time I went over bridge joints or the like. I removed them and installed the MM spacer kit a few months ago and the clunk is gone, and the rear doesn't pump itself up... now sits about " lower. I also noticed the rear shocks aren't fighting the fronts anymore either.

Andringa
02-27-13, 10:23 AM
D3 is in signal hill whaaaat

wow but there's no way i'm spending $2k on suspension.

if all I want is an inch lower, and better twitch steering response and less sway (after a sway bar upgrade)... what's the least expensive way to do this? (street sway is so embarrassing)

say if I went with eibach springs (http://www.speedengineeringlsx.com/eibach-pro-kit-springs-cts-v-2004-07-382514)--what shocks could I use to avoid the OEM-only situation? would ground control give me more freedom with strut/shock choice?

greater than 1", but less than 2"
easy on the $$
not so concerned about ride quality or adjustment
won't see track use

I get the feeling Eibach is what will help me accomplish this, but the ground control looks $$-light, too.

between Eibach springs and Ground Control, and considering their shock/strut replacement choices and cost, which is the better lowering option? (I'm a "90% is still an A" kinda guy...)

What kind of miles do you have on your V now? $2k is kind of hard to swallow for the KW, but if you consider the total cost Ground Control to lower and replacing your shocks when the stock ones go bad, they really aren't that much more. If you have more than 75k on the stock shocks I'd suggest planning on replacing them sooner than later.

I'm not sure that you can still find Eibach springs for our car, I think they stopped making them. The only option that I know for sure that you can still get is springs from H&R. I believe you can find the H&R springs on Tirerack.com.

D3l7a3ch0
02-27-13, 03:41 PM
Andringa, and Twitch: considering your advice, that $2k might be necessary...

I'm at 98k and some change, and while the springs and shocks feel "ok" and they're great if I stay off the gas, I agree they're due for a change. however, the key to having this pre-owned V has/will be $ smart solutions to make it stronger and ready for another 100k miles.

the upgrades/updates planned are a 6.6 kit and relevant motor updates, stronger diff, axles, wheel bearings, beefier sways, and a fresh transmission. also corsa exhaust for vanity. Something about the KW/GC/Eibach/D3 options and what I've read about them... feel like $2k is breaking the cost/benefit/durability ratio quite a bit.

however. if it was worth the durability, and it was a name I at least -recognized- producing the shocks, I would go for it. for example, Bilstein coilovers (http://www.lgmotorsports.com/product_info.php?products_id=2176) such as the ones offered by LG Motorsports (http://ls1tech.com/forums/cadillac-cts-v/1424889-cts-v-coilovers-lg-motorsports.html) seems more worth $2k....

thoughts? (whoa, misfire on the LG motorsports link. turns out those are for vettes. maybe a phone call or email is in order.)

JDB, I laughed over the Driver's Education bit. I would not track this car because of the wear/tear, and it's not worth the thrill... but the driver's license classroom course... I wonder if they're elective, and if there is one that is better than the others. I've never attended one, but I've heard some are as bad as a VHS tape played to a classroom, and that's it ("that'll be $300, thanks very much").

JDB
02-27-13, 04:04 PM
[b]JDB, I laughed over the Driver's Education bit. I would not track this car because of the wear/tear, and it's not worth the thrill... but the driver's license classroom course... I wonder if they're elective, and if there is one that is better than the others. I've never attended one, but I've heard some are as bad as a VHS tape played to a classroom, and that's it ("that'll be $300, thanks very much").

Not worth the thrill? That's like saying sex isn't worth the thrill when you're dating a porn star.

You bought a V, enjoying it, but in the wrong environment. You're much better off mod'ing the driver than any other mod you do to the car. And, if you track your car, you wont drive like a fuqtard on the street.

D3l7a3ch0
02-27-13, 04:06 PM
...not with this car, I guess I should say. I would track a miata or S2000, but not a car this big

JDB
02-27-13, 04:19 PM
...not with this car, I guess I should say. I would track a miata or S2000, but not a car this big

I can respect that. These cars are pigs around the track. E36 M3 would be my choice. But, since this is my only car that needs to be driven 365, kid seats, and track time... there aren't many choices...and the V seems like the best bang for the buck.

SevillianSTS
02-27-13, 04:21 PM
my Blazer slows me down over the winter and rainy days, but the only problem then is I get used to the 4wd in snow and end up passing cars that piss me off frequently.

D3l7a3ch0
02-27-13, 08:03 PM
if that's supposed to be encouragement, I agree a commuter car would limit my V-driving, and help with a few other things like the lifespan of the V, and gas $... I would go with a pre owned corolla

SevillianSTS
02-27-13, 08:10 PM
I will say though... only problem with the commuter car is: "damn it always feels good to get back in and mash the gas on the V"

D3l7a3ch0
02-27-13, 08:16 PM
that's another bonus!

after driving an RV, the V feels like a Formula 1 (http://i.imgur.com/QE7n9mg.jpg)

mstrjon32
02-27-13, 10:28 PM
I would go with a pre owned corolla

Gross. I'd rather work 3 jobs to put gas in a nice car than drive one of those hateful things.

D3l7a3ch0
02-28-13, 12:44 AM
Don't be obtuse. the corolla has been in production for almost 50 years and it's a smart decision to have one as a commuter.

Twitch
02-28-13, 08:02 AM
I had added washers but still had the clunk on the RR any time I went over bridge joints or the like. I removed them and installed the MM spacer kit a few months ago and the clunk is gone, and the rear doesn't pump itself up... now sits about " lower. I also noticed the rear shocks aren't fighting the fronts anymore either.

I just learned something :thumbsup:

OneFast V
02-28-13, 10:02 AM
Andringa, and Twitch: considering your advice, that $2k might be necessary...

I'm at 98k and some change, and while the springs and shocks feel "ok" and they're great if I stay off the gas, I agree they're due for a change. however, the key to having this pre-owned V has/will be $ smart solutions to make it stronger and ready for another 100k miles.

the upgrades/updates planned are a 6.6 kit and relevant motor updates, stronger diff, axles, wheel bearings, beefier sways, and a fresh transmission. also corsa exhaust for vanity. Something about the KW/GC/Eibach/D3 options and what I've read about them... feel like $2k is breaking the cost/benefit/durability ratio quite a bit.

however. if it was worth the durability, and it was a name I at least -recognized- producing the shocks, I would go for it. for example, Bilstein coilovers (http://www.lgmotorsports.com/product_info.php?products_id=2176) such as the ones offered by LG Motorsports (http://ls1tech.com/forums/cadillac-cts-v/1424889-cts-v-coilovers-lg-motorsports.html) seems more worth $2k....

thoughts? (whoa, misfire on the LG motorsports link. turns out those are for vettes. maybe a phone call or email is in order.)

JDB, I laughed over the Driver's Education bit. I would not track this car because of the wear/tear, and it's not worth the thrill... but the driver's license classroom course... I wonder if they're elective, and if there is one that is better than the others. I've never attended one, but I've heard some are as bad as a VHS tape played to a classroom, and that's it ("that'll be $300, thanks very much").

First what is a 6.6 kit???:thepan: I think you mean the CS 8.8 kit. Also The LG coilovers are >$2700. If you want a relatively inexpensive coilover that still function fairly well buy the D2 coilovers (<$1000 for struts and springs). Also you would be surprised how fast a well setup V1 can be on the track, even relative to other cars out there.

mstrjon32
02-28-13, 12:59 PM
Don't be obtuse. the corolla has been in production for almost 50 years and it's a smart decision to have one as a commuter.

I am obtuse. Just because it's been in production for 50 years doesn't mean it's not horrible.

The V is my commuter. :)

OneFast V
02-28-13, 01:17 PM
I am obtuse. Just because it's been in production for 50 years doesn't mean it's not horrible.

The V is my commuter. :)

Just because the car exist as an A to B car does not make it a good car. It is still bland as hell to drive and lacks any sort of enjoyment behind the wheel (I commute in one everyday). I honestly can't wait to sell it and get something fun to commute in that is still reasonable (Focus ST, used cayman, FR-S, etc.)

mstrjon32
02-28-13, 03:57 PM
Just because the car exist as an A to B car does not make it a good car. It is still bland as hell to drive and lacks any sort of enjoyment behind the wheel (I commute in one everyday). I honestly can't wait to sell it and get something fun to commute in that is still reasonable (Focus ST, used cayman, FR-S, etc.)

I actually bought a Saturn Sky Redline as a "commuter" (I'm a practical guy, can't you tell?) but I ended up loving it more than I love my V. So it kind of ended up that I drive the car that gets worse fuel economy as the commuter and the one I bought as the commuter on the weekends. Oops.

D3l7a3ch0
02-28-13, 04:19 PM
First what is a 6.6 kit???:thepan: I think you mean the CS 8.8 kit. Also The LG coilovers are >$2700. If you want a relatively inexpensive coilover that still function fairly well buy the D2 coilovers (<$1000 for struts and springs). Also you would be surprised how fast a well setup V1 can be on the track, even relative to other cars out there.

sounds like you have me dead to rights, huh.

I was a mechanic in a past life, and I do my own work. Along with the LS2/T56 drivetrain, my mechanic experience is what makes a used V a fair deal. By 6.6 I mean a 6.6L kit (http://www.coasthigh.com/Chevy-LS-6-6L-engine-kits-flat-top-s/13423.htm): 4" stroke, 4" bore... nice and square, installed under the excuse of a rebuild

I'm going to cut two 3.6 badges to make a 6.6 badge, and use it in place of the CTS badge.

//thanks for the D2 tip

SevillianSTS
02-28-13, 04:25 PM
I vote Cadillac ATS for my "dream" daily driver and the V on weekends =)

JDB
02-28-13, 05:11 PM
You guys must drive long commutes to actually save $ having a commuter car versus just getting worse MPG with a V versus your commuter car. After the purchase of the car, insurance, maintenance ...how long does it take to save $?? How much do you actually save? Is that amount really worth driving some econ crap box? I couldn't do it.

Andringa
02-28-13, 06:27 PM
There is a coilover kit from Ksport available as well. I believe they are <$1k, but my impression is that you get what you pay for. People seem to say that they do well on the road, but don't belong anywhere near the track. Which I take to mean they really wouldn't be what I would want based on how I drive.

OneFast V
02-28-13, 06:34 PM
You guys must drive long commutes to actually save $ having a commuter car versus just getting worse MPG with a V versus your commuter car. After the purchase of the car, insurance, maintenance ...how long does it take to save $?? How much do you actually save? Is that amount really worth driving some econ crap box? I couldn't do it.

It is if:
1. I don't want to put miles on my V that quickly just for commuting
2. I enjoy modding the crap out of my V and don't mind if it is on jacks for a few days at a time
3. I enjoy modding it so I don't have to rely on it to never have problems/break down
4. I can prevent the major wear and tear associated with commuting (rock chips, interior materials wearing, more frequent fluid changes)

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There is a coilover kit from Ksport available as well. I believe they are <$1k, but my impression is that you get what you pay for. People seem to say that they do well on the road, but don't belong anywhere near the track. Which I take to mean they really wouldn't be what I would want based on how I drive.

I have run my D2's on the track and I will admit the spring that come with them are a little soft but I have firmed them up to 600/650 and plan to head back out to the track and see. remember they do have 32 levels of adjustment in the shocks. I have them pretty stiff

izcain
02-28-13, 06:58 PM
I am obtuse. Just because it's been in production for 50 years doesn't mean it's not horrible.

The V is my commuter. :)

Your in the wrong corolla lol.

I may get a lot of bad looks for this but,

I drive 100 mile round trip to work in one. Two lane road middle of nowhere, apex corners,tons of switch backs and off camber corners, downhill mountain slopes you name it this road has it on it. Someday I will video a drive on it and most people would be shocked at this road and how people commute on it.

84 AE86 (corolla) is my weapon of choice for this. It is light, nimble, RWD, and is built for this kind of duty. Car is lowered with drift shock and spring setup and alignment, and a full poly bushing set. Not one for the power department but once it is wound up it will carve a corner better then most others. Helps to know the road as well. All while getting 35 mph to boot. only problem is tires last almost no time!

I love the V but it would get tore to pieces from this road as it is a harsh environment.

Look up AE86 in youtube and you will understand why I drive one as a commuter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKi_GVJbieg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g0r1fd7Shs

D3l7a3ch0
02-28-13, 07:11 PM
no wait i think you might be on to something. I don't have anything other than the V at the moment, but I might if it seems extra special.

nothing beats the Geo Metro as cheap a commuter, imo.

joshuajohn1981
02-28-13, 07:15 PM
Truth. I'm looking for the right metro (hopefully XFI) for my commuter. 58mpg??? Sign me up. I'll just have to put an awesome stereo in so I can forget how boring driving is.

D3l7a3ch0
02-28-13, 07:50 PM
in the meantime, probably more likely, is one of these... (geo metros are hard to come by, and i'm sure that corolla is, too)

a porsche speedster replica (http://i.imgur.com/ekkPk2q.jpg) built on a VW bug chassis and motor

my roommate left a job at the speedster shop recently, for a job working in oil fields near Dallas... the owner of the speedster shop is a great guy, and cuts his employees a no-resale deal on them...

I want to start working there in the summer

the downside to a 86 corolla or a geo metro is, I would be tempted to put $ into improving them

odla
02-28-13, 07:54 PM
I used to drive a geo prism gsi 5 speed 90 miles round trip as my dd. Had about 180k on it. It wasn't to bad.

joshuajohn1981
02-28-13, 07:54 PM
That Porsche replica is pretty sick but I'm pretty sure you would be tempted to soup up that engine too. You'd want it to be as fast as it looks I'm sure.

D3l7a3ch0
02-28-13, 08:06 PM
it's light, and fast enough... I think one of the options is a 1000cc motor. The problem with making it fast is it doesn't handle. it's a boulevard queen.

the wide body option with the wheels are extra, and I don't think I would want them. Behind me in this pic (http://i.imgur.com/lQ4IsZq.jpg) is one of the more conservative packages

joshuajohn1981
02-28-13, 10:43 PM
And I, personally, like this option better...

mstrjon32
03-01-13, 12:21 AM
84 AE86 (corolla) is my weapon of choice for this. It is light, nimble, RWD, and is built for this kind of duty. Car is lowered with drift shock and spring setup and alignment, and a full poly bushing set.

A 1984 AE86 is a far a cry from a modern Corolla, so I'll give you this one.

253ctsv
03-01-13, 01:26 AM
no wait i think you might be on to something. I don't have anything other than the V at the moment, but I might if it seems extra special.

nothing beats the Geo Metro as cheap a commuter, imo.

Haha that's my commuter. 94 metro xfi. About 50 miles per day and 25$ per week. WARNING driving a piece of shit commuter like this will save lots of miles on the V. However when you do drive it, watch out. Big difference lol

robojesus
03-01-13, 08:47 AM
why don't you throw some subs in the rear floor panels? that would be sick.

PISNUOFF
03-01-13, 09:44 AM
...not with this car, I guess I should say. I would track a miata or S2000, but not a car this big

This 'big' car with a few small upgrades is just as fun as either of those. I have friends who SCCA race both of those in fully track prepped form and I beat them around the track in my big car.

D3l7a3ch0
03-01-13, 02:30 PM
why don't you throw some subs in the rear floor panels? that would be sick.

hahaha don't act like you don't care robojesus. you care, you just don't like it. enough to post about it.

that's called being a hater.

PISNUOFF I admire the work you do, but this is not the car to track, imo.

carlson_mn
03-01-13, 03:08 PM
There's a reason there's so many beers in the liquor store, everybody likes something a little different.

D3l7a3ch0
03-01-13, 05:58 PM
I'm headed to grandma's house, which is the trip that has caused me to attempt land speed records since mid-january.

I'm going to see if I can observe speed limits this time.

thanks

253ctsv
03-01-13, 07:10 PM
130 at the top of 4th. Hard for me to believe 5th will only push to 163

odla
03-01-13, 08:02 PM
It will hit 164. Just need to have the right place and the time to do it. lol

PISNUOFF
03-01-13, 10:20 PM
Mine pushes past that in 6th. Lol

D3l7a3ch0
03-01-13, 11:06 PM
I have a problem.

I don't know what bothers me more: what I've gotten away with, or what is bound to happen.

odla
03-02-13, 01:05 PM
Sounds like you need the track bad. Once you get on it you will soon find out how little you know about real driving. Not trying to put you down or anything. Just trying to give a little wisdom from my personal experience from a long time ago. That's all. Hope it helps.

D3l7a3ch0
03-02-13, 05:16 PM
no i don't take it as a put down, I'm sure that's a fair assessment. I'm not sure that would keep me from treating the roads like my personal video game

Manofmetal01
03-03-13, 11:15 AM
no i don't take it as a put down, I'm sure that's a fair assessment. I'm not sure that would keep me from treating the roads like my personal video game

I did that two years ago, on an old winery road, lots of corners, it was great...until the unmarked hairpin which I didnt quite make. $12grand later in repairs, I have new respect and will using the track for that kind of driving...track doesnt have 4' ditches

D3l7a3ch0
03-03-13, 11:27 AM
I think there might be something that isn't coming across here. What
I feel is an urge to break the speed limit, just for the sake of there
being a speed limit, and having my way with traffic just because I can.

If local police or highway patrol found this thread, then camped me
and waited for me to be dumb again, it wouldn't just be fair, it would
be necessary.

and where have they been, anyway? It's like I see them less as this
problem gets worse.

I don't drink--I gave up alcohol almost two years ago *thank god*
because if I went through this phase when I was still partying it up
every other night, I would -definitely- wreck my life, and only my life
if I was lucky.

It's not about the turns, or skill, I just have this problem lately
and it's weird because things are better than they've ever been for me.

And not just by a little bit. ...things are great by a lot.

Is that what it is?

I'm trying to figure out what I can do, short of cutting my driver's
license in half like a boy scout totin' chit, and mailing it to the DMV...
because I still need to get myself around. I'm out of ideas.

I can't talk to "dad" because although he's a great, respectable person,
the last "fast" car he owned was a 95 mustang gt... auto. and I would
get the same canned response as to other things, and it leaves me feeling
like jello inside. My parents are coming out to CA to visit me this week,
but I don't plan to bring it up.

(help me obi wan, you're my only hope) i joke, but I don't trust myself.
and I can't simply quit driving like I quit drinking (another thing I
stopped when I realized ****'s just not gonna end well for me)

mstrjon32
03-03-13, 11:56 AM
Well, if it makes you feel better, I hit 140 on the A66 coming back from Frankfurt airport on Friday morning.

izcain
03-03-13, 12:51 PM
just have someone flash it and set the speed liimiter to 65 or so. Done, no more speeding lol

D3l7a3ch0
03-03-13, 01:15 PM
hahahahah thanks. I guess I'm ****ed. this is not the car to have a driving problem in. and the plan is make it faster. I don't know, something's gotta give, I'll be sure to share when I find out what.

Faber
03-03-13, 02:41 PM
I'd say that its all about prioritizing - when you learn to prioritize other things more important than the probability/possibility of the negative consequences of your actions that give you the carnal rise you describe, then you will grow past that phaze, however other than that you're stuck...for me it was moving to a different state, switching jobs, and realizing that the lump sums of money I was spending on traffic tickets, insurance, lawyers, car parts, etc. didn't make sense given the things I wanted to accomplish with my life. Not to mention the kids and realizing I wasn't superhuman and could die or kill someone in an instant - but that came from handling claims - too many folks dead through no fault of their own to gamble with challenging that too frequently.

D3l7a3ch0
03-03-13, 03:43 PM
thanks, dad. I get the priorities and cost thing, and I don't have kids. I guess the consequence thing works when you get caught, the way I remember it worked ten years ago.

fej
03-03-13, 05:35 PM
Sounds corny but it does change with age. It never really goes away, but the common sense starts to override the desire for adrenaline with more frequency as you age. You learn one of three things, to better pick your spots with a better eye for safety and others, to play on the track, or what it costs to fix, or insure after you run out of talent. You continue down the path you are traveling, you WILL run out of talent, or someone on the road will help create an accident.

G'luck
Fej

UnsafeAtAnySpd
03-03-13, 11:22 PM
It's funny when people who have never been on a track comment on whether or not a particular car is good for the track.

That said, my commuter car is a supercharged SRT8 Jeep.

Faber
03-04-13, 12:00 AM
thanks, dad. I get the priorities and cost thing, and I don't have kids. I guess the consequence thing works when you get caught, the way I remember it worked ten years ago.

I'll throw one more "Dad" based comment and then fade out of this, there are more consequences than just getting caught...

mstrjon32
03-04-13, 12:16 AM
That said, my commuter car is a supercharged SRT8 Jeep.

I was cross-shopping the Jeep SRT8 when I bought the CTS-V. How do you like the Jeep?

thebigjimsho
03-04-13, 12:47 PM
130 at the top of 4th. Hard for me to believe 5th will only push to 163

That is redline in 5th. 6th is too tall to accelerate minus big power...

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My V2 would beat my V1 around most tracks. But I miss the tossability of that V1. While the same statement can be made of a Miata over a V1, the V1 is a GREAT handler and wonderful on the track...

UnsafeAtAnySpd
03-05-13, 07:44 PM
I was cross-shopping the Jeep SRT8 when I bought the CTS-V. How do you like the Jeep?

I like it a lot, but I think you made the right decision. Even though the Jeep is faster in a straight line with the S/C, I still enjoy the V more with the manual.

D3l7a3ch0
03-06-13, 01:53 AM
It's funny when people who
have never been on a track comment on whether or not a
particular car is good for the track.

That said, my commuter car is a supercharged SRT8 Jeep.

It's just physics. I would use a car with less mass, to experience
faster changes in velocity. So I wouldn't pick a CTS-V.

I get it, though. Tracking a CTS-V is decadent. Maybe I just
don't have -that- kind of money.


I'll throw one more "Dad" based comment
and then fade out of this, there are more consequences than
just getting caught...

Do you mean my conscience? Because I'll admit I'm having difficulty
with it, except when I'm driving. I think it's a feeling of entitlement.
Yeah, that's a good word for it.

I think I know what it is. I'm good at everything I touch, hence
the entitlement and "the rules don't apply to me."

When I look at the V, I don't see the car I used to. It's beginning
to look more like a murder weapon... an instrument of crime.
I wouldn't let someone tell me I don't deserve it, because I
paid for it; But my driver's license, that's another story--and
my driving record is spotless, which is affirming and contradictory
at the same time.

I'm normally not the punk with a chip on his shoulder, daring anyone
to pick a fight... but I drive like it.

Sorry, I don't mean to... bring discredit to the cadillac forums...
I just need to admit I have a problem and talk with people about it.
I really would quit driving if I could. ("please drive responsibly.")

joshuajohn1981
03-06-13, 03:23 AM
I can't really talk to much sh$+ because I find myself doing the same. Perhaps not on the same scale that you're doing it but I just can't help myself sometimes. Even today when my mom was in the car with me I found myself tearing it up a bit. I just can't hold back sometimes.

D3l7a3ch0
03-20-13, 09:25 AM
Gentlemen,

the situation has come to a head. sort of.

I hit the rev limiter and jerked the car hard enough that the fuel pump stopped pumping.

my roommate came out and called in a tow......

everything's fine, it's home unharmed, i just have some fuel pump electrical troubleshooting ahead of me.

I've found the fuse box under the back seat cushion, and aside from that, I read somewhere there is a harness around the bellhousing that can become kinked and broken as a result of excessive engine play.

I'll ride my bike out to the parts store, if I need the fuel pump, and... I'll probably do the hole-in-the-floor thing rather than drop the tank.

structurally, sure, weakened maybe but I'll put in a square brace or something (maybe) not really worried about it, I would rather have easy access to the pump.

http://imgur.com/a/5Ji1f

the car is freaking awesome. my architect friend (who graduated from Berkeley) told me one time that, when roads are engineered, they are designed so that twice the posted speed limit for the turn will put a car at 1g of lateral force. SEEMS ABOUT RIGHT

I was just beginning to get over my craziness, too. oh well

(what day is today... wednesday? hmm)

SevillianSTS
03-20-13, 10:37 AM
I think my brother has described a similar issue. He's had his bike up to 170 and such, and he says that doesn't scare him.
Lately he's been looking into a S2000, so we were out test driving one and he mentioned how he's not scared of much, but how this car scares him. At first I was confused, its quick... but not a rocket. I think it is because he knows what he will do with it and what it can do. (he loves drifting) and sliding the rear end out any opportunity he can.
Kind of like when I'm in the V and someone in front of me is putting around and I can not resist to rip around them. I tell myslef it is unnecessary; but 1 I love the acceleration feeling and 2 I hate being stuck behind people regardless what I'm driving.

FuzzyLogic
03-20-13, 10:45 AM
If you need a fuel pump, you really should upgrade, but if you want something cheap, I've got my old stock pump in a box collecting dust.

D3l7a3ch0
03-20-13, 11:14 AM
Thanks, but I don't think it's a failure. I have .22 Volts at the fuel pump fuse.

my roommate didn't tell me on what forum he found the info, but he says someone experienced a wiring harness pinch between the bellhousing and the firewall.

(for fuel pumps, I was looking at the Racetronix setup)

I'm just going to jump it and put it on a toggle switch. done.

rand49er
03-20-13, 01:34 PM
...I'm just going to jump it and put it on a toggle switch. done.That's a great theft deterrent, too.

D3l7a3ch0
03-20-13, 01:45 PM
That's a great theft deterrent, too.

oh, so the bright red switch labelled "VROOM" ... notsomuch?

CTSV_Rob
03-20-13, 02:32 PM
Just label it Driver-side seat ejection.

D3l7a3ch0
03-20-13, 04:23 PM
lol

ok so... is anyone familiar with where in the wiring the ECM controls the voltage to the pump (if it does so, at all?)

I was able to get what I think is a brief "priming" activation of the fuel pump, but that failed to start the car

maybe I need to bleed the fuel rail, but still what's odd to me is I can't get the relay to respond to direct power -at all-

is the car aware of how much pressure is in the fuel system (how smart is it?)

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I ... there's a chance I just ran myself out of gas. hahahahha

the pump is working, the relay activates after reconnecting the battery (as it should, until it gets the RPM signal)

...my fuel gauge reads 1/8 tank...

yeah, now that I think about it... the events were quick, and the loss of power could've been the motor running out of gas. yyyyyyeahhhhhhh

here i go to ferry gas to the car, two gallons at a time

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"here's your sign."

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If you need a fuel pump, you really should upgrade, but if you want something cheap, I've got my old stock pump in a box collecting dust.

thank you very much (*again*) for the offer, turns out i'm just a ****ing idiot

i troubleshot an empty tank

FuzzyLogic
03-20-13, 04:40 PM
If you're heavily lowered in the back, the angle on the float arm (which is read by a sensor) can be thrown off and read too high. Then you run out of gas with about an 1/8th of a tank. Ask me how I know. :bigroll:

D3l7a3ch0
03-20-13, 05:35 PM
lol ****ing hell

I used to keep my tank full and top it off, rather than play the run it down to empty game, but with school I don't think about gas until the weekend. and add the lead foot-itis I was afflicted with as of late...

****ing hell

I'm going to tell my roommates I troubleshot the whole electrical system like a boss

FuzzyLogic
03-20-13, 05:41 PM
On the positive side, you can lower the front end or raise the back end slightly to "fix" the gauge. I'm willing to bet that the bottom of your car isn't level relative to the ground--it probably slopes backwards a little bit. I had the same issue while I was messing around with Ground Control spring rates and ride heights.

D3l7a3ch0
03-20-13, 05:53 PM
it has some damage on the passenger side front--something I noticed while scoping out the car prior to buying

the strut and headlight were new

that wheel also has more of a gap between the fender than the other three. could be it. I'm guessing you are right.

I think I will go with ground control too, for the cost.

FuzzyLogic
03-20-13, 06:13 PM
it has some damage on the passenger side front--something I noticed while scoping out the car prior to buying

the strut and headlight were new

that wheel also has more of a gap between the fender than the other three. could be it. I'm guessing you are right.

I think I will go with ground control too, for the cost.

Eh...your decision. I'd save your money for a KW Variant 3, or try to buy a used GC unit. I'm probably going to get rid of my GC set this year in favor of KW Variant 3 shocks because you start to run into compression and rebound problems when you crank the springs up to 650+ in-lbs to control body movement.

D3l7a3ch0
03-20-13, 08:44 PM
did you change the sway bars

carlson_mn
03-20-13, 09:17 PM
did you change the sway bars

I think he has like 4 sway bars on his car lol. Sorry Fuzzy just messing with ya.

FuzzyLogic
03-20-13, 09:48 PM
I think he has like 4 sway bars on his car lol. Sorry Fuzzy just messing with ya.

Totally. Next year I'm upgrading to this:

http://www.allartnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Joe-Schofield-left-walks-along-the-giant-steel-beam-built-to-support-a-340-ton-rock.jpg

D3l7a3ch0
04-17-13, 03:16 PM
I got caught!

but the real news is, it turns out I wanted to get caught

when I saw the motorcycle with its flashing lights in my rear view,
my thoughts were, "WHOA awesome, HE's going somewhere... oh,
he's after someone. is he after me? I hope it's for me." <--wait, what?

yes I'm completely serious, the thought, "I hope it's for me" crossed
my mind, and I found myself grinning as I turned off the subs, turned
down the music, and looked for a safe place to pull over.

and now I feel satisfied.

not much was said. I didn't bug the officer when he told me what my
infraction was, I let him know I was reaching for my license when he
asked me for it, and I thanked him when I received my copy of the
notice to appear.

he asked, "whose caddy?" and I said "mine", but I almost said, "the bank's."
it was a challenge to not be flippant. he thanked me for my cooperation.
I was dying to hear him finish the sentence with "...citizen."

I really, really wanted to get a picture of the bike behind the V, but I
decided even if he can't tell me no, I don't want to cause him stress
over what I might want to use the pictures for.

but a better idea would be catch a motorcycle sheriff when they're not
busy and ask for a photo op (if I could get them to stand next to the
driver's side door and lean in with ticket book in hand, that would be
so.awesome. I would be willing to make a donation to my local sheriff's
department for it)

it was less than 25mph over, and it's the first citation I've received
since 2006-- I'll have it paid and attend traffic school long before the
appear date.

jonathan2169
04-17-13, 04:31 PM
@Fuzzy - is that the rock that was hauled from Riverside County to a Museum in LA? Pretty sure it was driven all over town like a spectacle...

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@Dsl7 - where'd u get popped?

D3l7a3ch0
04-17-13, 05:40 PM
cerritos. two blocks from home. I have a feeling he was familiar with my car and house, but not the specific street number.

lollygagger8
04-18-13, 02:55 PM
I'm telling ya......if you want to appreciate your V, just drive a p.o.s. (aka slow car/truck) all winter. Come spring time after a winter full of my Jeep Cherokee, the V is considerably more exciting.

mstrjon32
04-18-13, 03:37 PM
I'm telling ya......if you want to appreciate your V, just drive a p.o.s. (aka slow car/truck) all winter. Come spring time after a winter full of my Jeep Cherokee, the V is considerably more exciting.

I really miss my Jeep Cherokee...

SevillianSTS
05-04-13, 04:21 PM
Just found the bulletproof answer you were looking for: have a kid! Got me driving like I got grandma in the car now =) Only problem will be when he's not with me I'll have to unleash the fury.

D3l7a3ch0
05-04-13, 05:54 PM
sir it's funny you say that, because the thought occurred to me last night--that is the one thing that would get me on the straight and narrow

but it's also the scariest thing I could imagine happening.

I'm taking my genes to the grave, it's for the good of everyone--just because there is someone out there who would help me make it happen, doesn't mean it should

I'm happy to say the speeding hasn't returned. I seem to have a renewed respect for law enforcement (took them long enough)

liqidvenom
05-04-13, 07:04 PM
This is the weirdest thread i have ever read and I have only read the first page.

I have been on some track events and I have passed my fair share of miatas, m3's and s2k's. This car for its large size its balanced and corners well.


I just bought some LG coilovers and will install them next weekend. Im out in Long beach if you want to see them or get a ride in the car after i install them.

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It's just physics. I would use a car with less mass, to experience
faster changes in velocity. So I wouldn't pick a CTS-V.

I get it, though. Tracking a CTS-V is decadent. Maybe I just
don't have -that- kind of money.

tracking a vehicle has more to do with cg, braking ability, yaw rates, rate of accel, balance of the front end pushing compared to the rear stepping out, track & wheelbase, etc.

Mass is not the end all, and to be honest mass doesnt play much of a factor at all. A gtr weighs more than a V1 and it would murder it on a track stock for stock. A 1le/gt500/zr1 all weigh more than a v or about the same and can show a v1 its tail lights on a track. with that being said a V1 would beat many many lighter cars on a track due to it being a better vehicle when it comes to its dynamic abilities.

An X5M would most likely get around most tracks faster then any of our stock vehicle, short of the heavily modded guys.

Andringa
05-04-13, 07:47 PM
Kids only work so long. The other day my 3 year old daughter said "go faster Dad I don't see any police."
She likes when we play racecar and she doesn't like when we get passed. I think she's growing up just right.

D3l7a3ch0
05-04-13, 10:36 PM
hahahaha wow.

liquidvenom, I am very weird. I think I have more than a touch of schizophrenia. I think your opinion of this thread is accurate and justified.

about mass. my roommate has a 2004 s2k with a turbo and upgraded suspension. and wheels and R compound tires. it pulls like a V, but turns like an s2k

you know those cars that turn so fast, your eyes can't keep up with the road? it's like that. in fact I think it's way too fast, and he took it too far with power and suspension. it has a full interior, with the convertible top still in use--I take it as proof it's just easier and cheaper to start with a lighter car. he got it for 15k, and put another 5k into the turbo and accessories after shopping around.

(in fact the suspension came with the turbo kit, which were both installed on a lease vehicle. the person selling the turbo needed stock suspension and did a swap for free)

but I like what a V says about the driver: they know how to handle responsibility, and do it well. (...is my opinion.)

but it's -so- not a coupe

FuzzyLogic
05-05-13, 01:02 PM
my roommate has a 2004 s2k with a turbo and upgraded suspension. and wheels and R compound tires. it pulls like a V, but turns like an s2k

No, it turns like an upgraded S2K.

liqidvenom
05-05-13, 01:24 PM
hahahaha wow.

liquidvenom, I am very weird. I think I have more than a touch of schizophrenia. I think your opinion of this thread is accurate and justified.

about mass. my roommate has a 2004 s2k with a turbo and upgraded suspension. and wheels and R compound tires. it pulls like a V, but turns like an s2k

you know those cars that turn so fast, your eyes can't keep up with the road? it's like that. in fact I think it's way too fast, and he took it too far with power and suspension. it has a full interior, with the convertible top still in use--I take it as proof it's just easier and cheaper to start with a lighter car. he got it for 15k, and put another 5k into the turbo and accessories after shopping around.

(in fact the suspension came with the turbo kit, which were both installed on a lease vehicle. the person selling the turbo needed stock suspension and did a swap for free)

but I like what a V says about the driver: they know how to handle responsibility, and do it well. (...is my opinion.)

but it's -so- not a coupe

For as twitchy a short wheel base vehicle like a s2k is boost on a road course would be a handful depending on how it comes on. But that car is nothing about mass as he has more power, suspension and r compound tires. A stock evo on r compounds would prob work that car on any techinical tracks. Those cars never really had great brakes if i recall and i see he didnt update those.

its easier to start with a cheaper car that is a good foundation. People buy 5k rx7's or c5 vettes and slaughter race tracks. A guy on here bought a cts-v that was damaged and he boosted it and road raced the crap out of that thing and was fast like you couldnt imagine for the amount he spent.

just being a coupe doesnt make you fast at anything. and my v shows nothing about responsibility. its a noisy car. If i pull off the caddy badges its just a quick-ish chevy.

D3l7a3ch0
05-06-13, 03:52 AM
:-D

the boost has damaged the special coating on the cylinder walls, so what started as a head upgrade is now a block re..conditioning? (http://i.imgur.com/cvp2scA.jpg) but it gets track time, and your offer to take me around a track (I think?) is very generous... I will be sure to post when my friends plan another track day. It would be nice to get some people together for another day at Fontana (auto club). (burgers and cokes, and lawn chairs? it's kinda nice).

he attended one today, but I didn't know about it until just now.

I haven't brought the V (my only car), but the guys who did were willing to swap cars for some laps. (the type of track days with two instructional lessions and one or two solo-driving runs). Maybe everyone present will get a chance to know what the other cars feel like.

I'm usually the driver of the(his) RV. and I don't want the creases at the sunroof getting worse.

your mention of them reminded me the brakes (http://i.imgur.com/D3HZUIe.jpg) have been upgraded. (that tire is flat)

it could be I just don't know what I don't know. I haven't been in a modified Chevy since my group of friend's fourth-gen F-body days.