: Non-surround sound



Rick S
02-20-13, 08:45 PM
Hi first time post. Purchased my ATS 2 weeks ago and love the car, however, am I the only person disappointed for paying for a 10 speaker "surround system" that wont play surround (DVDA / DTS) disks ? From what I'm gathering the upgraded Bose surround system only plays fake surround or DSP. I could have bought another Acura and gotten what was advertised and payed for.
While mp3s are nice and easy they are in no way a match in quality to what this system could have been capable of.

rsf507
02-21-13, 01:07 AM
I just picked up my ATS and yes, the sound quality is a little disappointing for a BOSE system, but in my opinion it is definitely good enough for in car driving. I noticed it when I test drove and it definitely wasn't a deal breaker for me, but I had a better sounding system in my $28,000 Mustang

03firebolt9r
02-21-13, 09:55 PM
I like the system in the ATS, i think it sounds good but I think my 2012 CTS sounded better. The bass was much cleaner and deeper. The mids and highs are really good in the ATS as is the Active Sound.

Mine is the 10 speaker speaker system also.

Rick S
02-21-13, 10:57 PM
I guess the point I was trying to make is that it's being called "surround sound". It is not, it's simply a 2
channel stereo with Bose DSP (artificial) processing. The player does not play DVDA's, DTS, SACD's, or have a Dolby digital decoder of any type.
It does sound very good for what it is, it's just not what they said it is...
Thanks for the responses, glad to know I have joined fellow enthusiasts.

Pete7874
02-22-13, 12:03 PM
Well, to be fair, they never specified that it was Dolby Digital 5.1 or DTS, or something like that. All they said was "surround sound," and in their case, it's some Bose DSP.

But yeah, for the money, it is a little disappointing they haven't implemented some of those more established/mainstream surround technologies. I guess they didn't want to pay additional royalty fees to Dolby or some other company.

isakhanyan
02-22-13, 01:46 PM
I had an 05 cts-v and compared to the sound system in that car the ATS is a big improvement, in my opinion. I also have the 10 speaker bose system that came with the cue add-on.

rustybear3
02-23-13, 09:33 AM
I had the (I believe 14 speaker) bose system in my 2008 STS, which also played DVD-A.......and this ATS bose system blows that so called premium system away! The Separation is much better, along with the fidelity and spatial characteristics; prior to buying this ATS, I thought the bose overrated and pretty bland. Not on this car.....I've changed my mind!!

marktanner
02-23-13, 12:33 PM
I have the Bose "surround" also, and it doesn't do all of the media that the system in the CTS did. The CTS would do DVD, and DVD-audio in 5 channel surround, and would show the video if the car was stopped. Also it played louder cleaner, and had much better deep bass, with more impact. The CTS could do the heartbeat from "Dark Side of the Moon", but I doubt the ATS's system will. A better sub-woofer would help a lot, but don't know how it would affect the active noise cancellation. The system in the ATS doesn't make my ears bleed, but it doesn't really ever boogey, either. It's just okay, IMO.

Rifle and rucksack
02-23-13, 04:11 PM
I agree with everyone here and I am glad that I am not the only one disappointed in the system. To tell you the truth I have been disappointed in Bose for a while. It is just a name brand, it used to mean that you were getting a top quality product. I have replaced the Bose upgraded system in every car I have bought, I don't know why I expected more from this one. I think that cadillac being a quality car maker should move to a quality stereo producer like lexicon, Mark Levison or Harmon Kardon just to name a few. In 2011 I bought a Genesis which cost me less and the 7.1 system in that car out performs the Bose by far. But I love driving my 3.6 premium ATS a whole lot more. Just my thoughts, didn't mean to get carried away......

Pete7874
02-23-13, 06:06 PM
To tell you the truth I have been disappointed in Bose for a while. It is just a name brand, it used to mean that you were getting a top quality product.
Really? IMO, Bose has always been predominantly a marketing company, not really an audio company. Their products are designed to 'wow' the listener by messing with frequency response instead of trying to deliver a linear response.

Rifle and rucksack
02-24-13, 08:05 PM
Really? IMO, Bose has always been predominantly a marketing company, not really an audio company. Their products are designed to 'wow' the listener by messing with frequency response instead of trying to deliver a linear response.

I can agree with that, I guess I was mostly referring to their old home speaker line. I do have to say that there were some good attempts in the older Nissan maxima and other foreign cars where the system gave decent sound quality. Hope I didn't get off subject too much with my opinions, the point I was trying to make was that if the Bose system is offered and charged to customers as an quality upgrade then it should perform like one. This is just my opinion, I know we all have different preferences in sound quality and this system may suit many user just fine.

Pete7874
02-24-13, 09:32 PM
the point I was trying to make was that if the Bose system is offered and charged to customers as an quality upgrade then it should perform like one.
Completely agree. Sadly, some of these upgrades are about a name more than they are about actual quality. With that said, I have not heard the Bose system in ATS, so I can't say from personal experience which one it is. The H/K system in my wife's C300 is rather good though. If ATS with Bose sounds as good, I'd be very happy.

swinder
03-07-13, 05:19 PM
There is a very stark contrast between the sound in my former car (2011 Mitsubishi Outlander GT with 700 watt Rockford Fosgate system, now being driven by my wife) and my ATS. The Bose system is really the only disappointment I've had with the ATS. It's adequate, but it doesn't make listening to music fun.

In essence, I can hear in the ATS most of what I could in the Outtie, but I can't feel anything. On the bright side, my hearing is now being damaged at a much slower rate.

Yplus
03-08-13, 03:39 PM
For me, the 10 speaker system is plenty good. I don't watch movies in my car and 5.1/7.1 technology is not high on my list. I'm glad they spent the money on the 2.0 Turbo and not a 7.1 system.

unclemoose
03-08-13, 10:32 PM
Is there an uplevel radio? I have a standard ATS with CUE and Bose on my speakers, but don't have an actual equalizer or anything. Is there an upgrade to this? I find what i have acceptable. It could be better, but it's not a big issue for me.

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Is there an uplevel radio? I have a standard ATS with CUE and Bose on my speakers, but don't have an actual equalizer or anything. Is there an upgrade to this? I find what i have acceptable. It could be better, but it's not a big issue for me.

Neuroleptic
03-09-13, 04:27 PM
I count 10 speakers so I'm guessing that's the upgraded stereo. I'm assuming that the speaker looking thingy in the middle of the dash is in fact a speaker. I have the same trim as you moose

isakhanyan
03-12-13, 12:49 AM
I posted earlier stating that I like the Bose system in the ATS over the CTS-V Bose system I had. After working out the best preset, I can happily say I found a great Treble to Bass ratio for the type of music I listen to. The best way to tune any sounds is by using a CD and not a burnt copy.
With that said like another member mentioned I dislike Bose, if I had a choice Bose would be at the bottom of my list. I used to do Home Theater installation and we would never recommend Bose to any of our clients. The 2 grand people spent on home Bose system should have been better invested. Ideally, for roughly the same price but way better overall quality it would be nice if the cars came with Klipsch, IMO.

bmcleod
03-14-13, 06:14 PM
I was also disappointed that there was no support for DVD-A and true surround sound. Several friends have this in "lesser" cars and I kind of expected it, but didn't think to check (The Beatles "Love" album is a very good DVD-A). I also preferred the sound of the Bose system in my 2003 CTS, so far I haven't been able to get my ATS dialed in quite as well.

As for Pete's contention that Bose isn't an audio company I'd say that's taking it a bit too far. Certainly they are not an audiophile company, and your comment about accuracy is spot on, they try to sound "impressive", not necessarily real. Still though while an audiophile at home I'm more forgiving in the car and the ATS audio system does not impress.

rustybear3
03-14-13, 10:06 PM
Hi first time post. Purchased my ATS 2 weeks ago and love the car, however, am I the only person disappointed for paying for a 10 speaker "surround system" that wont play surround (DVDA / DTS) disks ? From what I'm gathering the upgraded Bose surround system only plays fake surround or DSP. I could have bought another Acura and gotten what was advertised and payed for.
While mp3s are nice and easy they are in no way a match in quality to what this system could have been capable of.

SACD and DVD-A have been "DEAD" for the past 6 years.....never caught on with the public; stereo is king and has been for the past 50 years. Why would any car manufacturer continue to support a dead format? Even cd's are on their last legs. Synthetic surround sound has been in car sound systems (and Cadillac) for quite awhile, and sound great and work surprisingly well. I had DVD-A discs when I had my STS and they were ok, but I was never overly impressed with them. To me the sound quality and separation were only marginally better than a simulated ss. Apparently the majority of "audio purchasers" agree as well as evidenced by DVD-A's dismal sales.....

zedsded
03-15-13, 12:09 AM
so I have a 3.6 AWD ATS loaner while my CUE is being updated, and yeah, totally different car compared to my 2.0T manual. The 3.6 has easy power, like the car is never working hard. The engine also sounds awesome when you floor it. The turbo is fast too, but it feels like it is working a lot harder to get there, and doesn't sound as good as the 3.6. I kept telling myself that if they made the 3.6 with a manual that would have been the car to have. The 2.0T feels lighter and more "tossable", but on metro detroit's straight and wiiide highways, I think I'd rather have the 3.6.
Color me jealous. Got the CUE update in Rochester Hills and only got a base 2.4L ATS.

/first world problems

bool
03-25-13, 05:00 PM
I've been happy with the stereo in my ATS. For a stock stereo system, it's not bad. This is the first car that I haven't upgraded the stereo. My very first system was loud and then my ear evolved into a clean sounding system. I think while driving about, it's sufficient. I've spent more time listening to XM then anything else since my last car. One thing I noticed in my last car was that XM sounded crappy and that may have been due to a too revealing a system. CD's sounded so much better. I haven't listened to a CD since my music is now in loseless format on my iPhone, but I think they sound pretty decent. This is probably the first Bose system that I've been content with. Also as more systems get integrated with the head unit (CUE), upgrading becomes more complex. I don't want to lose any of those functions.

slepr
03-25-13, 06:17 PM
SACD and DVD-A have been "DEAD" for the past 6 years.....never caught on with the public; stereo is king and has been for the past 50 years. Why would any car manufacturer continue to support a dead format? Even cd's are on their last legs. Synthetic surround sound has been in car sound systems (and Cadillac) for quite awhile, and sound great and work surprisingly well. I had DVD-A discs when I had my STS and they were ok, but I was never overly impressed with them. To me the sound quality and separation were only marginally better than a simulated ss. Apparently the majority of "audio purchasers" agree as well as evidenced by DVD-A's dismal sales.....

Completely disagree with this paragraph. It is clear to me that by the time these formats came around the vast majority of people couldn't care less about sound quality and were much more interested in portability. CD's give me a headache, MP3's are the poorest sounding/most compressed media available. DVD-A and SACD gave me the warmth and depth of LP's without the clicks and pops. For me, using WMA lossless files on my usb stick in the ATS provides acceptable sound. The ATS setup lacks punch compared to other audiophile systems out there.

bool
03-28-13, 11:40 PM
Completely disagree with this paragraph. It is clear to me that by the time these formats came around the vast majority of people couldn't care less about sound quality and were much more interested in portability. CD's give me a headache, MP3's are the poorest sounding/most compressed media available. DVD-A and SACD gave me the warmth and depth of LP's without the clicks and pops. For me, using WMA lossless files on my usb stick in the ATS provides acceptable sound. The ATS setup lacks punch compared to other audiophile systems out there.

I agree it lacks punch that a good sealed sub would provide. I'm in no rush to lose more trunk space though. It sounds better than any of my previous cars factory systems though.