: Volant cold air intake kit for 3.6 Who has one???



CTSCHICK
02-03-13, 12:03 AM
Modding time :D
The search function only shows a couple results and some of the info is scattered in different threads so I am asking my questions in here..

This is the kit my b.f. specifically picked out..
Looking for some input and opinions if you own the Volant Cold air intake kit for 08-11 3.6 http://www.volant.com/edetail.asp?ID=731

Looking for fitment and quality opinions of this specific kit due to it having a Air duct that actually draws air from out side of the car..
And I see it has an option for a 2nd duct that can be attached to it..

The install directions are not available anywhere online and all Volant has posted is the Parts sheet for the kit

The website says it is only for 08-09 CTS models but I have to assume it is also for 10 & 11"s??

From what I could gather using the search function and spaced out through different thread no specific to that kit is the duct included ends up behind the grill correct??

Any one have the 2nd duct hooked up to their kit??

I have the abilities here to be able to read and document my CTS's pcm to confirm whether the single duct is sufficient enough or not

Any other information on install, quality of the kit and ect.. would be appreciated before I buy it shortly because it is on sale for $244 and that is a lot cheaper than every one else selling it..

I Already have experience with the Donaldson designed dry flow air filters so I am not worried about that part of the kit..

Michael_atDell
02-03-13, 12:41 PM
I have it in my '08 CTS4, and I hate it. Filter isn't secured in the air box at all. The "scoop" is a pain in the ass to install. Get a D3 intake... If I hadn't spent several hundred dollars on this one already, I would buy a D3.

X E Ryder
02-03-13, 01:19 PM
I have it in my '08 CTS4, and I hate it. Filter isn't secured in the air box at all. The "scoop" is a pain in the ass to install. Get a D3 intake... If I hadn't spent several hundred dollars on this one already, I would buy a D3.

Bummer. I thought Volant was high on the food chain.

I did my own mod (found in the 2012+ perf thread) because our airboxes are also used on the 6.2 V - they flow enough with mod.

Might look at the Airaid also, they have a good product.

CTSCHICK
02-03-13, 03:22 PM
Bummer. I thought Volant was high on the food chain.

I did my own mod (found in the 2012+ perf thread) because our airboxes are also used on the 6.2 V - they flow enough with mod.

Might look at the Airaid also, they have a good product.

Yeh I saw your modified air box on here my b.f. did something similar on my G5 GT the difference was around 15 degree's while stopped and idling in the summer time

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I have it in my '08 CTS4, and I hate it. Filter isn't secured in the air box at all. The "scoop" is a pain in the ass to install. Get a D3 intake... If I hadn't spent several hundred dollars on this one already, I would buy a D3.

Not worried about the difficulty with the scoop but could you explain the problem in better detail about the Air filter not securing to the box please??

ajazolino
02-03-13, 08:00 PM
I have the volant on my 09, so I can explain, the filter goes into the air box on the left, but it doesn't fit securely into the air box, meaning if you try, you can move the filter around. Nothing major though, it's not going to come out. Another side note, after driving the car hard, I opened the hood and felt the air box, and it was literally freezing to the touch, and everything else was hot. So it does it's job well.

CTSCHICK
02-03-13, 08:04 PM
I have the volant on my 09, so I can explain, the filter goes into the air box on the left, but it doesn't fit securely into the air box, meaning if you try, you can move the filter around. Nothing major though, it's not going to come out. Another side note, after driving the car hard, I opened the hood and felt the air box, and it was literally freezing to the touch, and everything else was hot. So it does it's job well.

The filter doesnt have a clamp to hold it in place? or is it just some sort of slip fit with no clamp?
The parts sheet on their site is very vague

Michael_atDell
02-03-13, 10:31 PM
I had a Volant on my Vette and loved it, that's why I bought another one. I think the design is poor.

CTSCHICK
02-03-13, 10:57 PM
I had a Volant on my Vette and loved it, that's why I bought another one. I think the design is poor.


What exactly is poor with the design??

I can get the kit new right now on sale for $244 I dunno how long the sale will last..

Michael_atDell
02-04-13, 09:26 AM
I don't like the way the filter and air box don't attach...

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Where do you live? If you are close, I'll give you my Volant for for stock...

CTSCHICK
02-04-13, 04:13 PM
I don't like the way the filter and air box don't attach...

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Where do you live? If you are close, I'll give you my Volant for for stock...


Ah so it is slip fit and the filter slides through the box then the rest of the intake kit attache's to it??
No where close to Texas I am in New Jersey..

I get it now the maf bolts to an adapter and the filter has an adapter that clamps on the out side of the air box that joins the 2 together..
With some play in the cut out of the box??
I can make this work we got 3m weather stripping with double sided tape.. We can wrap the part of the adapter that slides through the box with it making a tighter and better sealing fit

Michael_atDell
02-04-13, 04:58 PM
No, the filter doesn't attach to the box at all. You just slip it in there with gaps all around it to suck hot air from your engine compartment into your intake.

Jagillac
02-04-13, 11:01 PM
No, the filter doesn't attach to the box at all. You just slip it in there with gaps all around it to suck hot air from your engine compartment into your intake.

Do you have any photos or could you take some.

It would make it very clear as to how much of a gap etc.

Thanks

loosend
02-05-13, 12:06 AM
I have the Volant set up and like the fact that it draws cold air from the grill instead of from under the hood. Also, it should provide some sort of ram air effect since the air is forced into the snorkel the faster you are traveling. I am sure I am braking some sort of rule with it but I am using either six #8 or #10 stainless screws to keep the rubber air filter element flange attached to the box. I did not like the slip fit because of possible air leakage as has been mentioned. Volant doesn't want you to screw it together so the filter can move around with the engine but I haven't had any trouble with screwing it together and I have made many full throttle blasts. Yeah, Michael is right, it was a biatch to get the snorkel positioned just behind the grill though and I only want to do that once.

CTSCHICK
02-05-13, 12:42 PM
Thanks guys
loosend your explanation is exactly what my b.f. said when I mentioned the few comments about the filter being loose in the box.

He has stick on foam that can be wrapped around the portion that contacts the box or we also have clip on weather stripping if the plastic where the hole is on the box is thick enough for it to lock on good enough

CTSCHICK
02-07-13, 12:53 AM
Thanks for the help guys I ordered it today for $255 shipped

My b.f is going to do a mock up with it to see what you guys are talking about with the loose fitting filter in the housing..
If you want to see how he corrects it just let me know and I will get a picture or 2

Michael_atDell
02-07-13, 11:22 AM
If he can fix it, let me know...

HurstGN
02-07-13, 06:19 PM
If he can fix it, let me know...

No worries, CTSCHICK's b.f. will fix it.....because CTSCHICK said so. b.f. knows better than to not do what he's told. :D

CTSCHICK
02-07-13, 06:24 PM
No worries, CTSCHICK's b.f. will fix it.....because CTSCHICK said so. b.f. knows better than to not do what he's told. :D

Goodies off of the Snap On truck that stops next door to where I works keeps him motivated :lildevil:
He already has the Torx bits at work but uses cheaper ones at home this will motivate him for Valentines Day My version of a box of chocolates for my guy lol

http://i48.tinypic.com/fymyl5.jpg

HurstGN
02-08-13, 12:20 PM
Now THAT'S a box of chocolates! :)

CTSCHICK
02-11-13, 01:52 PM
Wed it will be here so we ll see

CTSCHICK
02-12-13, 03:39 PM
It showed up a day a head of schedule, here is some pics :D

http://i50.tinypic.com/inqplk.jpg

http://i50.tinypic.com/29cqweq.jpg


Here is a picture of the mentioned Gap with the filter and air box, I pulled the filter to the opposite side in side of the box.
Mine ends up almost being about 1/16" all the way around.

http://i47.tinypic.com/2q1b12a.jpg


The Gap on mine closes up a lot when pushing the the clamp against the air box like in the installed pictures because of the lip where the clamps goes.
Providing there is enough slack with the couplers it might be able to be adjusted so that it push's that way and seals it up

http://i48.tinypic.com/28vej5i.jpg



I will have to wait until my b.f. is home later, He mentioned using an air nozzle and blowing it up the duct that will be behind the grill to see how much air escapes through the possible gap before he decides what he will do with my kit.
He also mentioned capping off the hole in the bottom of the box for the 2nd air duct for underneath the car with some kind of a rubber cap for pipes from Homo depot or lowes.
He mentioned something about maintaining vacuum like drinking from a straw with and without a hole in it I might have misunderstood him ..
I dunno but I will post what he does.


Overall pretty nice kit especially for the $255 shipped on sale directly from Volant.

ajazolino
02-13-13, 09:30 AM
Let me know if you get that front scoop in. Mine wouldn't fit

loosend
02-13-13, 08:20 PM
Wow. They must have changed the design because my rubber boot that the big clamp is on has a 1/2"or 3/4" lip that I used to run a few stainless screws into the air box so it stays against it tightly. I called Volant with a question I had and mentioned that I screwed the rubber boot to the box because of the gap and they said I should not do that and that the filter is designed to "float" with the engine's movement in the chassis. I left it screwed in and haven't had a problem but it looks like they removed the lip to prevent anyone from doing what I did. If mine was like that, I would have returned it because it will allow hot under hood air to be pulled in and the whole idea of drawing air from the grill is because it is colder--hence, cold air induction. I would leave the bottom intake open so water has a place to drip out when rain goes in while driving on the highway. You can see that quite a bit of water will be sucked into the box at 60 mph. Cold air is also drawn in from the bottom as well and they make a second scoop that can be purchased seperately but I don't see the need for it. Hope this helps.

CTSCHICK
02-17-13, 11:26 PM
Sorry for the delay, My b.f. messed around with an air nozzle blowing up the duct at various pressure and said any air leaks around the hole wasnt as bad as he thought it was going to be.
But is going to put $5 weather stripping on against the lip where the clamp goes that touches the box.
Only delay right now is we can only find the weather stripping in white,gray and brown even though black is available because the 1st 2 lowes and homo depots didn't have black in stock.
Going to try looking at a few others again tomorrow since I have off for presidents day

D VADER
02-27-13, 02:45 PM
I had no problems with my Volant. I did the dual snorkel set up. From the box to the grill. From the bottom of the box to the Brake Duct for more air.
No engine air enters this box!

CTSCHICK
04-02-13, 02:14 AM
Sorry for the long delay or update but the other week while my b.f. was doing work on a supercharged ls2 Datsun he has been building the last couple months a few houses down I decided to try and install my Volant cold air kit by my self.
First off I know Volant say's it is only for 08-09 and nothing about any later model years but there is no way this kit will fit my 2011 3.6 rwd Premium

Taking the stock intake parts off was easy but I have a Bosch module in front of the front fender area right behind my head light that prevents that air box from even sitting flush where it needs to be.
The air box needs to be sitting on the frame rail on the left of the picture but as you can see the Bosch module is mounted higher than the frame rail.

Picture of the Bosch module in my way

http://i46.tinypic.com/vq4d9i.jpg

I had to cuff off the entire neck for the bottom duct at the bottom of the box like this, This was my first cut, I actually had to cut it off flush with the box to get it to sit right and clear that Bosch module posted above.
But there is no way in Hell it would fit if I bought the bottom duct tubing the opening in the bottom outlet of the box lands dead center with the Bosch module.

http://i46.tinypic.com/315onsp.jpg


After all of that the Volant supplied brackets, One that attaches to the driver side coolant over flow and strut tower brace cover, and the bracket that is supposed to screw in to the driver side fender where the stock box does. Don't even line up.
They are not even close.
The Volant air box is the correct box for the kit but the pre drilled holes are no where near where they need to be in order to line up and attach to the previously mentioned area's.

After I had in as best as I could my b.f. was coming back getting some tools to go back and work on the datsun so he took a few minutes to look at it and said Yeh that isn't fitting without customizing it, He said the bracket wont fit regardless of where the hole is drilled in the box and a new bracket needs to be made up in order to reach the area and screw in to the fender in order to hold the air box in place.
He said I was doing everything right the problem was the kit wasnt actually made to fit my car..
So he told me to take it all out and put the stock setup back in until he has time to mess with it.


As promised I did find the correct weather stripping to use at Home Depot part number and style is provided in the picture, The cost was $5
Attached to the intake duct tubing where it goes in to the box It does seal the gap and allow the intake tubing to move with the engine while returning back and sealing the box back up even though the engine hardly moves if at all..

http://i49.tinypic.com/303g6rm.jpg

loosend
04-02-13, 03:47 PM
First off I know Volant say's it is only for 08-09 and nothing about any later model years but there is no way this kit will fit my 2011 3.6 rwd Premium

Taking the stock intake parts off was easy but I have a Bosch module in front of the front fender area right behind my head light that prevents that air box from even sitting flush where it needs to be.
The air box needs to be sitting on the frame rail on the left of the picture but as you can see the Bosch module is mounted higher than the frame rail.

Is your module on the driver side or am I looking at this wrong? I have the 2008 RWD version and the ECM is on the passenger side so it does not pose an issue.

CTSCHICK
04-02-13, 04:09 PM
The picture is the drivers side
Unfortunately that is what it might be according to my b.f. just going by the picture

6.2/3.6
04-02-13, 04:21 PM
I have two volant systems one for a tahoe and the other on my truck both with oil filters. I did not buy one for the cadillac because when I put on a custom tune on my truck (had a volant dry filter) I was told the dry filter was making my truck 6.2 run very rich. Bought a oil filter and my mileage was much happier. So since volant does not over a choice, only dry filter I went with airaid and I am pretty happy with it. So before you start modifying, you might want to look elsewhere. Just my two cents because I will be putting some mods on the car.

CTSCHICK
04-02-13, 04:31 PM
I have two volant systems one for a tahoe and the other on my truck both with oil filters. I did not buy one for the cadillac because when I put on a custom tune on my truck (had a volant dry filter) I was told the dry filter was making my truck 6.2 run very rich. Bought a oil filter and my mileage was much happier. So since volant does not over a choice, only dry filter I went with airaid and I am pretty happy with it. So before you start modifying, you might want to look elsewhere. Just my two cents because I will be putting some mods on the car.

If it was running rich why wasn't it tuned with the filter? That just doesn't make sense to me
The Volant kit is the only kit available with an outside air source for the CTS whether or not it is necessary that is debatable but that is what I wanted.

6.2/3.6
04-02-13, 05:16 PM
He tuned it to the dry filter but after further discussion I decided to go back with a oiled filter for a more precise tune and that might be debatable also. I like my volants but Iike options also, hope it works out for you. Contact volant and ask them whats up with the install, they should know.

CTSCHICK
04-02-13, 05:26 PM
He tuned it to the dry filter but after further discussion I decided to go back with a oiled filter for a more precise tune and that might be debatable also. I like my volants but Iike options also, hope it works out for you. Contact volant and ask them whats up with the install, they should know.

I already said what was up with it Volant only lists this particular cold air kit fitting 2008 & 2009's and they have no other kits described as fitting 2010-2013's

I have a hard time believing the air filter thing because all of the GMPP cold air kits come with dry flow filters, I had one of their kits on my last car and it wasn't even an issue while tuning it on a dyno.
Even the 5th gen Z/28 includes a cold air kit with a dry flow filter