: Old Gen Cadillac Versus New Gen Cadillac!!!! Poll



SGWORLDWIDE
12-21-12, 01:32 AM
Hey fellow forum members i would love to hear from all our caddy forum members on the likes, dislikes, good, bad, and all opinions about design, reliability, build quality, maintenance, and all the other things on your minds on the old caddy gen pre 2005 FWD versus the new caddy gen 2006 up when caddy really started changing the line up engines, platform, and all sound off!!!! :cool2:

basscatt
12-21-12, 01:46 AM
the LOUNGE would be a better forum for this -

SGWORLDWIDE
12-21-12, 02:08 AM
Im going to answer first and start the thread off me personally like the old gen while i love the CTS V STS V and XLR V and the new line up i feel the older caddys build quality not interior wise but structurally was superior to the new line up my 04 DTS doors feel alot heavier then a newer 06 DTS i test drove all in all more solid also on the older cars GM spared no expense alot of things where standard like a powerful V8 everything these days is an option that jacks the car price up so much even the engines the northstar will always hold a place in my heart as it was made for cadillac not a chevy engine with a caddy exterior like todays caddys the L37 northstar especially a fully loaded CTS can top forty thousand with a small V6 looks nice and i almost bought one a 07 when they where like $30,000 on TV till you walked into the dealer and added all the options (Then I thought about my DTS's options compared to it) and said thats BMW territory no thank you ill keep my V8 i think caddy of these days is following the likes of the german and euro car companies trying to go more upscale and selling basic cars before all the options if u want top of line put out another twenty five grand if you have the money hey enjoy but im sure alot of us loyal caddy fans cant afford a $100,00 XLR V or CTS V owning a caddy has always been the american dream for alot of people and i just feel as caddy goes upscale alot of us will be cut out to me the older models are just better for the money them olde seville STS's and deville DTS's still do it for me :cool2:

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Sorry dont know where to post stuff like this please move it to the right place thanks basscatt

orconn
12-21-12, 02:50 PM
I have owned six Cadillacs personally: a 1962 Cadillac 62 convertible, a 1976 Seville, a 2000 Catera, a 1992 Seville STS, a 1995 Seville STS and a 2002 Seville SLS.

The 1962 series 62 convertible was OK for its' day, decent materials put together in mass production slip shod way all American mass production cars suffered from in those days. Better than a Chevy, but not up to the double the Chevy's price quality they ask and got for it.

The 1976 was a very good car. I loved the look ( and still do today). Having, from the mid sixties driven Thunderbirds, Toronados, Cordobas, Jaguars and Nissans Cedrics, I was not taken with the hephalump and ungainly full sized sleds that were full sized American cars of the pre-1977 car world. The Seville was not only more nimble, combining American style in a more compact size, but the materials and build quality were a new experience for an American car of the seventies. The Seville was the first American car (including my parents Olds and Cadillacs of the '50s and '60s) that didn't start falling apart before it was three years old!

After the '75 Seville ( which I owned for eight years) I didn't own another Cadillac until we leased a 2000 Catera for my wife's business car. Despite all the bad mouthing that the Catera receives, it was better put together (build quality wise) than the other domestic Cadillacs (including the Sevilles) on the showroom floor when we got it. The Catera had the highest assembly quality of any Cadillac I have owned, equal to what I hear is being produced today.

The fourth generation Sevilles we owned were great performing cars showing Cadillacs superior exterior and interior styling but only an "improved" build quality. These cars were second only to my Alfa Romeo 164 as far as "all rounder" personal sedans go. I still have the 1995 STS and it has stood the test of time very well to this day delivering excellent performance in a handsome package that has stood up well to the passing years.

The 2000 Seville SLS is a very nice personal conveyance, and while it doesn't measure up to the handling of its' magnetically damped STS (late 2002) sibling in the handling realm it is more than adequate daily transportation for a lead footed 66 year old lady! But truth be told the fifth generation took a downgrade in the build quality and surrendered the more unique styling of the 4th generation cars to a more conventional exterior and interior design (my personal opinion).

As for the "Art and Science" cars of the last six years, I am not attracted to their styling, although I do like their size. Mass produced super performance is not particularly attractive to me at this point (not that it ever really was), which makes the V series cars mere curiosities in my car world. I am not a fan of the slit windowed, coupe styling which seems to have taken over all segments of the car market, so I am left to enjoy my "oldie but goodie" Sevilles and am willing to pay for the maintenance required to keep my cars in tip top condition.

If I were forced to buy a new car today I think I would opt for a well equipped Hyundai, Honda or Kia and keep the change for other things! Cadillac so far this decade just hasn't brought anything to the marketplace that would cause me to part with serious money. It would make me very happy to plunk down many big ones on a Cadillac that "turned me on!" A few years ago Cadillac got the ad right, but for me missed the boat with their cars.

77CDV
12-22-12, 02:19 AM
I voted for the old gen Cads. But by "old gen", I mean the RWD beauties from the mid-90s Fleetwoods and back. :D

SGWORLDWIDE
12-22-12, 05:29 AM
I hear ya loved the 60's and 70's caddys thinking of getting me a classic from one of those eras and restoring it mabe after i finish restoring my 04 DTS

DouglasJRizzo
12-22-12, 08:44 AM
As moderator of the Classic forum, I guess it goes without saying that I'm voting "Old gen" on this one. To me, a '74 Fleetwood or '76 Eldorado has that broad shouldered presence that's been lacking for years.

AElayyat
12-22-12, 01:01 PM
Here is a list of Caddys I have or owned (in order)

85 fleetwood brougham(still own)
89 sedan deville (no longer own)
89 brougham (no longer own)
90 brougham w/ 5.7 (still own)
05 deville dts (still own)

My vote has to go to the old school caddys. I don't know there is just something about them that gets me going.

I have also driven a 68 & 70 coupe devilles, a few esclades w/ the 6.0 & a 07 or 08 dts performance, a 05 cts, a few devilles from various years in the 90s, my dads 96 eldorado. These are the ones I can remember.

The new gen caddys are nice, but there is just something special about the older gen caddys.

My vote has to go to the old gen caddys.

thebigjimsho
12-22-12, 01:36 PM
80s and 90s Cadillacs? Except for the STS, pfft. New Caddys, no question...

The-Dullahan
12-22-12, 03:52 PM
Wait, wait, wait. I thought they stopped building Cadillacs after '92.

http://www.fleetofcads.com/brougham91opt/brougham01.jpg

ryannel2003
12-22-12, 07:39 PM
80s and 90s Cadillacs? Except for the STS, pfft. New Caddys, no question...

IMO the STS was the only car with a Northstar I would tolerate on a day to day basis because it was such a good looking car.

SGWORLDWIDE
12-23-12, 02:05 AM
Seville STS and Deville DTS my two faves and best out of the ending old gen

Tony Alvarado
04-13-13, 02:42 AM
I may be biased towards the 4th gen Seville, because it's my first cadillac... (97 sts) it's the exact car I've wanted since I was a kid, and I love the styling. They're so nice that people don't realize that mine is 16 years old, til I remind them... my friends are envious about my cadillac and don't know how I ended up with such a nice car.

CTSCHICK
04-13-13, 03:04 AM
I don't like the land yachts of the 70's & 80's and I didn't like my 91 Seville which was the crappiest car I have ever owned sorry

thebigjimsho
04-13-13, 03:29 AM
I don't like the land yachts of the 70's & 80's and I didn't like my 91 Seville which was the crappiest car I have ever owned sorry

You love James and that's all that matters...

CTSCHICK
04-13-13, 03:50 AM
Not quite love but he hasn't disappointed me yet so I chose New Generation

C&C
04-13-13, 06:26 AM
Love the heritage, but got to go with the new stuff.

ben.gators
04-13-13, 06:40 AM
I do like the way the older Cadillacs look! As an instance, I love the design of my STS. But I need to admit that performance and handling wise, I prefer the newer models.

thebigjimsho
04-13-13, 08:31 AM
Not quite love but he hasn't disappointed me yet so I chose New Generation

You love James. I need you to say it.

CadillacLuke24
04-13-13, 11:23 AM
:histeric:

truckinman
04-13-13, 11:34 AM
I love the interiors of the 80s fleetwood broughams, the beautiful leather, the real chrome accents mixes in with the wood trim. And their over all classy styling.

I also have always loves the first gen STS that had the Northstar. Great looking car.

But I think I've gotta go with newer. I LOVE the styling of my 05 rear drive STS. Plus it's driving characteristics. Much firmer in the bends. More controlled. Just more pleasure to drive IMO. .

CTSCHICK
04-13-13, 06:36 PM
haha

Jesda
04-14-13, 07:59 AM
Most would say that the 92-03 Sevilles were some of the prettiest and most comfortable luxury sedans ever built. But as sport sedans, they were weak compared to BMW. Meanwhile, Lexus was producing luxury sedans with higher quality. MB was on a steady decline back then.

Before 1992, not much from Cadillac appealed to me. The 80s cars were mostly terrible, the early 90s stuff was decent, and the 70s were a mixed bag depending on which model and which half of the decade. I know too little about Cadillacs before 1970 except to say that in the Depression era, the brand was among the world's absolute best, better than Pierce-Arrow, Peerless, or Lincoln, and arguably up there with Duesenberg and Packard.

cadillac kevin
04-14-13, 10:36 AM
I'd go for old gen. I love my fleetwood brougham. The 77-79 deville/fleetwood, and the 80-89 RWD deville/ fleetwood are timeless designs that are unmistakably cadillac. The same can be said for the 75-79 seville and 79-85 eldorado. When you see them in stock form, they ooze class, and get more props than any new cadillac, BMW, mercedes, etc will. Also, don't forget the 67-79 eldorado. It is an automotive design masterpiece.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
04-14-13, 10:51 AM
Old school for me. Nothing like the style, presence and power of the old school yachts. Up until the mid '90s, Cadillac had unique and gorgeous cars in every generation that were objects of desire. Back when owning a Cadillac truly meant something. Back before the import brands had come in and become as desirable (or more so) than Cadillac. In the '80s, Cadillac started getting outpaced by the German brands and in the '90s, it was the Germans and the Japanese brands. Cadillac is really becoming world leader again, but the cars are so much different than what they used to be, but so are the demands.

ryannel2003
04-14-13, 05:01 PM
Most would say that the 92-03 Sevilles were some of the prettiest and most comfortable luxury sedans ever built. But as sport sedans, they were weak compared to BMW. Meanwhile, Lexus was producing luxury sedans with higher quality. MB was on a steady decline back then.

Before 1992, not much from Cadillac appealed to me. The 80s cars were mostly terrible, the early 90s stuff was decent, and the 70s were a mixed bag depending on which model and which half of the decade. I know too little about Cadillacs before 1970 except to say that in the Depression era, the brand was among the world's absolute best, better than Pierce-Arrow, Peerless, or Lincoln, and arguably up there with Duesenberg and Packard.

I always thought my STS was pretty sporty... until I got the E46. For a car as large as the Seville and being FWD it handled decently but those ads back in the late 90's didn't fool anybody; they couldn't keep up with the BMW's in the corners and in comparison felt large and unwieldy. The quality in the 5th Gens was just terrible in my experience though the technology was good at the time. It's unfortunate these cars were so unreliable because it kills a large used car market for people like me but I surely don't want to deal with a HG and or suspension issue.

orconn
04-14-13, 07:57 PM
^^^ I think you are confusing "expensive to maintain" with "unreliable." I don't think, from my experience, that Sevilles are any more , or even, as extensive to maintain in tip top condition than any other ten to eighteen year old luxury car.

But I will agree that if I were a young guy of your age, Ryan, I too would prefer a 3 series BMW!

Jesda
04-16-13, 12:41 PM
^^^ I think you are confusing "expensive to maintain" with "unreliable." I don't think, from my experience, that Sevilles are any more , or even, as extensive to maintain in tip top condition than any other ten to eighteen year old luxury car.

I agree with that. Even a Lexus LS400 after 150k+ and 10-15 years will develop minor (but perhaps costly) oil leaks and small electrical issues.

My '01 STS cost about 16 cents per mile, cheaper than what my Infiniti Q45s cost, though both Qs did have more miles when I got them. In the end, assuming average annual mileage, my ownership of a 2001 STS came out to $1900 per year, cheaper than most of the luxury cars I've owned. Bear in mind also that I didn't have payments or interest.

I sold the car because that gray interior was miserably bland and because I wanted to use the cash to pay for some business expenses. I also thought I was going to be moving to Michigan after getting some calls from recruiters in Detroit.

02603sec
04-17-13, 03:21 AM
The RWD Eldos are timeless and great investments that continue to appreciate. The RWD 4 door. 62's, SDV's and Broughams are appreciating. I will be long gone before any of the current lineup will be any more then just a used car. I go with pre 77 old school.

Tony Alvarado
05-12-13, 03:59 AM
There's just something about those mid 90's Sevilles that get me. They kind of remind me of lipstick or a nice high heel. Almost feminine, but the kind of femininity meant to attract the male eye. Performance-wise, I'm assuming that cadillac has stepped it up a bit, and there are some real eye catchers as well. I'm just not a fan of those weird Ford focus looking models.