: Are you freakin kidding me??!?!



truckinman
12-04-12, 01:38 AM
Was in the semi, driving down the interstate, and low and behold I hit ANOTHER coyote! I figured, I'm in the semi this time. What damage could have really been done. Pulled over, and find my front bumper to be destroyed. Really Kenworth?? You let a 70 pound mutt get the better of you?? It's been less than two months since it's brother rendered our Saturn nearly totaled....2 MONTHS!! I've never hit anything in my life b4 the coyote 2 months ago, and now I just hit my second. I even heard the thing yelp as it was thrown off to the side, and I can't say it didn't please me a little bit. I'm tired of these things costing me money bc of there stupidity!


Yea I'm a little upset if you can't tell..

ben.gators
12-04-12, 01:43 AM
Huh, how much ground clearance does your truck have?

truckinman
12-04-12, 01:48 AM
Huh, how much ground clearance does your truck have?

I'd say a 1.5-2 feet for the bumper

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Even tho it's a semi, the bumpers have to be no higher than any other car or SUV from the factory

dkozloski
12-04-12, 01:54 AM
Back in the late 50s I was driving the AlCan Highway when I hit a coyote near Whitehorse, YT. and killed it. I threw it in the back of my pickup, took it over the border on into Fairbanks, went over to the U S Fish and Wildlife Service, and collected a $35 bounty. I guess a Chevy pickup has a tougher bumper than a Kenworth.

truckinman
12-04-12, 01:59 AM
Back in the late 50s I was driving the AlCan Highway when I hit a coyote near Whitehorse, YT. and killed it. I threw it in the back of my pickup, took it over the border on into Fairbanks, went over to the U S Fish and Wildlife Service, and collected a $35 bounty. I guess a Chevy pickup has a tougher bumper than a Kenworth.

Everything from the 50s had a tougher bumper than my KW. Lol. I'm just sorely disappointed in the integrity of this semi if a coyote could pretty much destroy the front bumper. I mean it's still good for the most part, but if it gets fixed they will have to but a whole new bumper to fix it.

The-Dullahan
12-04-12, 03:22 AM
Ow. What year is your Kenworth again?

The-Dullahan
12-04-12, 10:11 AM
The reason I ask is because I am curious of which bumper style it had. As with my own truck and all motor vehicles in general, I don't trust anything without a large metal bumper.

Never hit a Coyote myself (knocked a Corgi into oblivion once with a Jeep), but I know the damage an animal that small can actually have on the right vehicle if it hits it just right.

The running joke amongst people I know about my truck or semis of any make from that generation in general is that the bumpers actually look like they were designed specifically to kill animals. Never hit anything with mine, but given the shape of the bumper it had on it when it arrived in FL in my hands, I feel the previous owner may have taken out a few cattle for fun once or twice.

dkozloski
12-04-12, 10:25 AM
The front bumper on later model Kenworths, like most big trucks, is for aerodynamics rather than shunting animals and people to the side. They are trying to keep the air out from under the rig like a racecar with a front airdam. Most I see are aluminum for weight saving as well. If you think hitting a coyote does damage you should see what happens when you hit a moose. You'll be extremely lucky to be able to drive away from the collision.

Ranger
12-04-12, 10:25 AM
What damage could have really been done. Pulled over, and find my front bumper to be destroyed. Really Kenworth??
WOW! Never would have guessed that a coyote would even dent a Kenworth bumper. I guess they don't make anything like they used to.

EcSTSatic
12-04-12, 10:49 AM
I agree with Koz. It's all about fuel savings any more. I don't even know why they call them "bumpers". Most new cars don't even have anything remotely resembling a bumper, it's just an impact area. Vehicles are disposable now.

dkozloski
12-04-12, 12:42 PM
There is a pretty good aftermarket here for reinforced pipe front bumpers for big trucks.

orconn
12-04-12, 12:48 PM
I agree with Koz. It's all about fuel savings any more. I don't even know why they call them "bumpers". Most new cars don't even have anything remotely resembling a bumper, it's just an impact area. Vehicles are disposable now.

Passenger cars have always been disposable. Back in the fifties and sixties if a car was damaged after it was two or three years old it wasn't fixed because depreciation had reduced its' value so low that most didn't think the damage was worth fixing.

The-Dullahan
12-04-12, 12:54 PM
The front bumper on later model Kenworths, like most big trucks, is for aerodynamics rather than shunting animals and people to the side. They are trying to keep the air out from under the rig like a racecar with a front airdam. Most I see are aluminum for weight saving as well. If you think hitting a coyote does damage you should see what happens when you hit a moose. You'll be extremely lucky to be able to drive away from the collision.

Oh I know why they changed the design. Same with most modernized vehicles. Also, trust me, I've seen what that looks like. It's a true shame to imagine a coyote got the truck even so. Especially since this just happened to him a few weeks back.

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There is a pretty good aftermarket here for reinforced pipe front bumpers for big trucks.

Or we can all just get older trucks like me.

Better yet, let's weld on some cow catchers. And use them on Ricers.

orconn
12-04-12, 01:00 PM
A "Ricer Reducer" sounds good!

EcSTSatic
12-04-12, 01:03 PM
Passenger cars have always been disposable. Back in the fifties and sixties if a car was damaged after it was two or three years old it wasn't fixed because depreciation had reduced its' value so low that most didn't think the damage was worth fixing.

I don't follow that reasoning. Older cars were built like tanks. What will damage a car today would barely scratch a fifties car. Repair is always a serious consideration based on the price of replacement these days. It's just too bad that accidents are so catastrophic with these plastic cars.

bigm57ict
12-04-12, 01:51 PM
I think cars depreciated a lot faster then. I currenly drive a 17-year-old car that is still shiny and rust-free. The engine starts reliably and all accessories work.
This was unheard of in the '60's. A 10-year old car with 90,000 miles was considered used up and not worth much.
Plus, the constantly changing styles rendered a car "old" much soon than today.

As to the damage - Yes, a minor collision didn't do much to those cars, but a major hit actually did more damage than now. Now a car crumples to absorb the impact. Damage can be limited to only the front end. On an older car, the shock from the collision can cause damage all the way back.

Ranger
12-04-12, 02:37 PM
I agree with Koz. It's all about fuel savings any more. I don't even know why they call them "bumpers". Most new cars don't even have anything remotely resembling a bumper, it's just an impact area. Vehicles are disposable now.
I think they call them "fascia" now. :bigroll:


I don't follow that reasoning. Older cars were built like tanks. What will damage a car today would barely scratch a fifties car. Repair is always a serious consideration based on the price of replacement these days. It's just too bad that accidents are so catastrophic with these plastic cars.
Couldn't agree more. I think a coyote would have bounced off a 50's car leaving no sign he was ever there (except maybe some fur).

The-Dullahan
12-04-12, 02:42 PM
A "Ricer Reducer" sounds good!

That's the name of my new truck now. Even though it seldom sees use and is actually in Dunnellon rather than Groveland.

dkozloski
12-04-12, 04:02 PM
I don't follow that reasoning. Older cars were built like tanks. What will damage a car today would barely scratch a fifties car. Repair is always a serious consideration based on the price of replacement these days. It's just too bad that accidents are so catastrophic with these plastic cars.Older cars were built with heavier sheet metal because the technology didn't exist then to roll out thin sheet steel and stamp it into shape with the microscopic precision they can today. If they could have built them lighter they would have.

CadillacLuke24
12-04-12, 05:09 PM
Yeah, cars have changed, and so have trucks. NASCAR-like aerodynamics get better fuel conomy, not to mention lighter weight with the bumpers of yore, which leads to more fuel economy. That said, nobody ever said they would hold up better in an impact.

Sorry about those damn coyotes truckinman, hopefully the bill is somewhat manaeable.

orconn
12-04-12, 05:39 PM
I would think truckers would have more problems with deer than coyotes. Around here you could probably keep the homeless fed with all the road kill deer that show up each morning. I really do wish the coyotes would do a better job at keeping the deer population down, but the coyotes seem to be more interested in easier prey. Coyotes don't seem very interested in Canada Geese either .... another place they could make themselves useful!

truckinman
12-04-12, 07:18 PM
Ow. What year is your Kenworth again?

It's a 2008. First year for the T-660. Nice truck for the most part.

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The front bumper on later model Kenworths, like most big trucks, is for aerodynamics rather than shunting animals and people to the side. They are trying to keep the air out from under the rig like a racecar with a front airdam. Most I see are aluminum for weight saving as well. If you think hitting a coyote does damage you should see what happens when you hit a moose. You'll be extremely lucky to be able to drive away from the collision.

Yes sir exactly right. Just a big car bumper really. Shaped nice n round for a stream lined effect...worthless if you ask me. It gets worse MPG than the long nose Pete with a flat as a barn wall front end and bumper that I had before....

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I would think truckers would have more problems with deer than coyotes. Around here you could probably keep the homeless fed with all the road kill deer that show up each morning. I really do wish the coyotes would do a better job at keeping the deer population down, but the coyotes seem to be more interested in easier prey. Coyotes don't seem very interested in Canada Geese either .... another place they could make themselves useful!

Deer usually are the problem. Especially here in Ohio. I can't drive 5 miles with out seeing a fresh deer kill. But a coyote....I've never even seen one up close until I nailed one with the Saturn 2 months ago. Now I've hit 2. Until 2 months ago, I had a spot free record when it came to killing animals with anything on wheels...EVER. lol. Annoying as hell. I've gotta feeling work won't even fix it tho. Its still perfectly legal to drive. No lights were broken. And my truck is one of the oldest ones they've still got with 640k miles.

EcSTSatic
12-04-12, 07:27 PM
Older cars were built with heavier sheet metal because the technology didn't exist then to roll out thin sheet steel and stamp it into shape with the microscopic precision they can today. If they could have built them lighter they would have.

That may be, but is doesn't negate the fact that auto makers took a lot of pride and consideration when they designed bumpers that really worked. I imagine, given the times, that even if they could make cars lighter, they would not have skimped on the bumpers. That's the topic here.

The-Dullahan
12-04-12, 09:26 PM
Wow, even newer than I would have guessed. For the most part, I do not think I would ever consider owning a vehicle that new. Bumpers by then (and earlier) were little more than protection against weather and gravel/debris. They (on any motor vehicle, commercial or private, regardless of make or size) are not really made to withstand the impact of anything. Not even yippy little corgis.

I hope the company takes it upon themselves to fix it, as unlikely as it sounds. Been there, done that and regardless of the cause or damage, it's never less than a headache.

That being said, it's nice to see someone else around here has gotten over 600k miles on the odometer though.

orconn
12-04-12, 09:28 PM
That may be, but is doesn't negate the fact that auto makers took a lot of pride and consideration when they designed bumpers that really worked. I imagine, given the times, that even if they could make cars lighter, they would not have skimped on the bumpers. That's the topic here.


Dream on EcSTSatic, please Google "Road Test 1956 Cadillac" there you will find that new owners had many complaints about th e build quality and assembly of GM's top of the line cars. They made cars with chrome "Dagmars" because they thought that's what sold on the showroom floor. In the years 1952-53 the chrome was so bad on the "massive" bumpers because of restriction caused by the Korean War that the bumpers and grills rusted very noticeably within six months of delivery (there rust wasn't covered by warranty either!).

So much for the "Myth of they don't mkae like they use to."

EcSTSatic
12-04-12, 10:03 PM
Dream on EcSTSatic, please Google "Road Test 1956 Cadillac" there you will find that new owners had many complaints about th e build quality and assembly of GM's top of the line cars. They made cars with chrome "Dagmars" because they thought that's what sold on the showroom floor. In the years 1952-53 the chrome was so bad on the "massive" bumpers because of restriction caused by the Korean War that the bumpers and grills rusted very noticeably within six months of delivery (there rust wasn't covered by warranty either!).

So much for the "Myth of they don't mkae like they use to."

Why are you pointing out build quality of one model? What does it have to do with hitting a coyote? And why bring up dagmars? That was the name for the "bullets" on the bumpers. And one or two years of inferior steel quality doesn't deny that fact that the 50's bumpers were huge and could take a beating. Heck any mid 90's GM truck like my Suburban has the same problem. I guess I miss the point you are trying to make. I'll keep dreaming.
PS: I have a 1920 house and I'm glad they don't make them like they used to either. Even though the fir studs are hard as iron, the other materials are way out of date, and there's not a plumb or level plane anywhere.

The-Dullahan
12-04-12, 10:43 PM
^Talks about the irrelevancy of a 1956 Chevy to this topic...Changes topic to his house.

Let's not fight here, Children. We can instead act like adults and leave that to Drew/Brandon. Let's just instead agree to disagree and be on our merry way.

dkozloski
12-05-12, 12:57 PM
And my truck is one of the oldest ones they've still got with 640k miles.In the early 60s I serviced a 1947 Kenworth that had 3.5 million miles on it and had averaged over 600 miles per day on it since the day it was made and most of that was over the Alaska Highway.

Not too long ago I saw a magazine article about that truck and it's now in a company museum.

Jesda
12-05-12, 04:58 PM
I've lucked out. Only hit rabbits so far.

orconn
12-05-12, 05:32 PM
As long as you don't hit "Harvey" you should be OK!

CadillacLuke24
12-05-12, 05:37 PM
I've lucked out. Only hit rabbits so far.

Me too. Rabbits and birds.

CTS4 V
12-05-12, 06:04 PM
Should have tried it in a Volvo lol.

rodnok01
12-05-12, 11:09 PM
Glad it was only a coyote... a co-worker of my wife hit a horse a couple years ago in a Saturn actually, she is on perm disability now and lucky she lived. I knocked the neighbor dog across the ditch(yes he lived and was fine) at 40+ a few years ago, hard enough to leave a dirt stain outline of the dog on the PA, luckily only scratched the paint.

The-Dullahan
12-06-12, 01:05 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5lcScs8nbE

Horses > Cars. All the time.

CadillacLuke24
12-06-12, 01:22 AM
I'd almost bet money the third horse was male. Couldn't just go around, HAD to try and jump the car :histeric:

talismandave
12-06-12, 01:31 AM
I'd almost bet money the third horse was male. Couldn't just go around, HAD to try and jump the car :histeric:

If he was, he probably ain't now after dragging his junk over that broken windshield!

truckinman
12-06-12, 06:02 AM
Me too. Rabbits and birds.

Lmao. That reminds me. Once I was driving thru PA at night and heard a REAL load thud on my drivers door. Keep in mind I'm going 75 mph on the interstate so not like I hit a branch. Lol. Looked in my mirror to see a huge wholes owl spiraling to the ground. Lol. He prob had a head ache after that one! Lol

The-Dullahan
12-06-12, 09:02 AM
Yeah, I've never hit a horse with my car or a car with my horse. I try to keep the two separate.

My Father once smacked a couple vultures in The Little Car (Our name for the family's smallest car in history, the Grand Marquis) so hard once that it broke the headlamp housing. There was no visible damage, but it was leaking and water was getting in. That's what they get for not just giving up on the roadkill they were eating for two seconds.

That same road that happened on has a little of everything. I've seen roadkill wild boar (Which is what the vultures were eating) and even a cow/bull that got hit by a Cement truck once. Me personally, I once hit an armadillo at around 95 mph on that road (In the SEL Fusion) and on two separate occasions over the last few years, I have run over 7+ foot alligators on that road.

The real trouble in Florida, especially rural areas like this is hitting gopher tortoises. Heavy, Slow, Solid. They will **** up your day for certain...may even walk away thereafter.

dkozloski
12-06-12, 05:59 PM
Driving along in Yukon Territory in Canada I came around a corner in my '58 Chevy pickup and there was a horse standing on the shoulder of the road parallel to traffic. There were cars coming the other way so I couldn't swing out to give him extra room. As I passed by he turned his head toward the traffic and I smacked him with the corner post of the windshield right in the gourd. As I looked in the rear view mirror he was still standing but he was staggering around. I'm betting his owner was wondering what the hell happened to him.

97EldETC
12-09-12, 01:13 AM
When my mom had her 99 Jaguar XJ6, we were just across the Mexico Border, on our way to our house in Mexico City, and a huge bird (never even saw it) rammed the windshield. It left a HUGE bloody indent in the safety glass which got all cracked up because it was the safety stuff. We where joking a little after it happened "it looks like someone just shot us threw the windshield!" Blood ALL over the windshield AND a white car. Imagine waiting for two hours with a bloody car and a bunch of tourists passing by and staring at a "crime scene" every few minutes (an waiting in the heat) and then being towed for six or so hours to a garage in Mexico City. Phew. Looked like a gang hit!