: Pacesetter headers?



fre1102
11-30-12, 09:14 AM
Are they any good? Seems like they're cheap enough to give them a shot. Anyone use them?

FoD
11-30-12, 09:40 AM
Many people on here use them. Those that do seem to be happy with them. Those that don't will tell you they are cheap, and you should go with a trusted brand like Kooks, Stainless Works, or B&B. The connection pipes seem to be somewhat of a hassle if you need cats.

soulja
11-30-12, 11:32 AM
I have them and love them. No complaints at all. Got the coated ones off of Amazon for $230 bucks, can't beat that! They were described as used, but came new in an unopened box.

JFensty
11-30-12, 01:10 PM
I have the coated ones as well. Daily driver with two winters and they still shine with little to no corrosion. If you need cats you will need a muffled shop to install. I went with 3" hf cats in case I want to do custom exhaust down the road.

fre1102
11-30-12, 05:21 PM
Wow, I see the uncoated ones for about $300 and I was happy with that. $230 for the coated ones is smokin'.

What's the performance like with them? Is it worth the afternoon and trip to the muffler shop?

odthetruth
11-30-12, 05:36 PM
I have pacesetters with offroad connectors and no cats on the stock exhaust system with cutouts by the mufflers...

On stock airbox connected to FFV type-tubing, with a TuneTime tune, I dyno'd 372/361 on MD.

I like them. I haven't had any issues with them.

JFensty
11-30-12, 06:43 PM
Watch amazon. They were on for really cheap this same time last year. I did the 30 day free upgrade for amazon prime and got free next day shipping. I got mine for around 270 as well. Be patient.

etcts-v
11-30-12, 07:08 PM
I have a coated set and love them! The cat issue is a PITA though because my magnaflow is stainless and the headers are steel making my welding gear insufficient. Running catless for the time being.

JDB
12-01-12, 01:30 PM
come on, Amazon! they're back up to $437.55 for coated. they were $375 recently and I waited, hoping they'd go down, not up! don't they know it's holiday gift time?!?

Maryland Speed has them for $420 shipped
http://marylandspeed.com/pacesetter-long-tube-headers-silver-ceramic-coated-20042007-cadillac-ctsv-ls6-ls2-72c2272-p-4259.html

if someone sees them for the deep discount price, please post up! thanks

soulja
12-01-12, 01:58 PM
Yeah, the one's I got were the seldom times Amazon posts used items, but it was brand spanking new. I have no cats. I installed them the same time I did my Maggie. I am at 467rwhp/427rwtq at 8.5psi(2.7 pulley) on a Mustang Dyno.

runsfromdacops
12-03-12, 12:09 AM
used a set of coated ones for my rear mounted twin turbo setup and they worked great. cant beat them for the price.

DrSpeed
12-05-12, 11:35 AM
Yep, got them from Amazon for $230 on a scratch and dent sale. (They call it an open box item.) Free shipping with Prime.

Box was never opened, just a little beat up.

Here's how it showed up:

https://picasaweb.google.com/113073399110115107746/Pacesetter

Added the off road connector pipes for $70.

And header wrap.

So far, no leaks.

And here's what it sounds like with just the headers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHgbLOrGQBE&feature=share&list=UUkIhrH8763pF_pvUinmuFoA

EnV
12-18-12, 10:27 PM
I saw the PaceSetters on amazon for $489 today and I was curious on the quality as well. Looks like I will be trolling amazon for a better price

Wingsfan4life
12-19-12, 06:34 PM
Look on eBay now..do a search with year of car...you'll be surprised on what you see

etcts-v
12-19-12, 07:57 PM
See some for $298 on e-bay, that's a damn good deal, you could throw out 3-4 sets of pacesetters before you paid for one set of kooks!

DrSpeed
12-20-12, 01:14 PM
Yep, I don't think the V will outlive my headers...

54inches
02-10-13, 10:33 PM
waiting for them to go down in price......

thebigjimsho
02-11-13, 04:04 PM
lolwut.

RyRidesMotoX
02-11-13, 07:26 PM
Waiting for them to be free? They are half the price of a lot of other headers

odla
02-20-13, 02:01 PM
so what cats do you get if you want to attach to stock exhaust?

trukk
02-20-13, 04:55 PM
so what cats do you get if you want to attach to stock exhaust?

http://cdnbakmi.kaltura.com/p/695492/sp/69549200/thumbnail/entry_id/1_d8v576cq/width/200/height/150

D-RoKK
02-20-13, 10:29 PM
Just ordered mine! Im running no cats with a 2.5" mandrel bent custom x. Part of my 3.6 to 6.0 transformation!

RyRidesMotoX
02-21-13, 12:40 PM
Just ordered mine! Im running no cats with a 2.5" mandrel bent custom x. Part of my 3.6 to 6.0 transformation!

How much is it costing you to go from a 3.6 to a 6.0? Seems like it could almost be cheaper to sell the 3.6 and buy a V. Not to mention easier... I give you props for taking up the challenge though. Good luck sir.

odla
02-21-13, 01:30 PM
http://cdnbakmi.kaltura.com/p/695492/sp/69549200/thumbnail/entry_id/1_d8v576cq/width/200/height/150


lol. Those look like they flow good.

D-RoKK
02-21-13, 02:49 PM
How much is it costing you to go from a 3.6 to a 6.0? Seems like it could almost be cheaper to sell the 3.6 and buy a V. Not to mention easier... I give you props for taking up the challenge though. Good luck sir.

Got an engine, trans, driveshaft, differential, and axles for 2600 and 265 for shipping. 52k miles on the parts. 400 for dyno tuned ecu. 150 for fluids. 1000 for labor. Exhaust is almost 1000 : lt headers, or x pipe, cable cutouts, flowmaster 44, slp 4.125 dual wall tips.

The story behind this is that I blew multiple different rods in my cts 3.6. I have a 6 speed standard in the 3.6. Then my mechanic can outsource my parts and get about 75% of their discounted new parts value. So I should get a nice chunk back. Plus this will be a great ride and be a complete sleeper.

54inches
02-22-13, 01:02 AM
Yep, you can catch the pacesetters for $250 on Amazon from time to time. Scratch and dent BOXES with perfect product inside. I wont have time to install in the next 2-3 months so I am in no hurry, plus the more I can save the better; unless you fn money bags want to kick in. lol

vcaddy06
02-27-13, 11:22 PM
To the guys that have the pacesetter headers, did you get the black painted set or the armor coated (ceramic coated) set?

D-RoKK
02-28-13, 01:16 AM
Black! http://i747.photobucket.com/albums/xx116/imjustsobeast/20130227_212113_HDR.jpg

trukk
02-28-13, 09:35 AM
Black! http://i747.photobucket.com/albums/xx116/imjustsobeast/20130227_212113_HDR.jpg

Aren't those mild steel? Rust?

-Chris

D-RoKK
02-28-13, 09:57 AM
Yes milled steel. You can coat them with header paint to avoid the rust.

JFensty
02-28-13, 10:05 AM
I went with the armor coat. 40k miles and two salty winters in Pa and there is some pitting down near the collectors but for 270 they are worth it. Cool to the touch in 10-15 minutes

JDB
02-28-13, 10:36 PM
I bought Kooks and plan to use DEI titanium wrap with lava technology.

vcaddy06
03-01-13, 12:41 AM
I'm really having a hard time trying to decide between OBX (stainless) and armor coated pacesetters.

Pacesetter
Pro: price; fitment; American made
Con: steel; will rust down the road

OBX
Pro: price; stainless
Con: not American made; fitment with steering shaft.

If anyone could help me decide, that would be greatly appreciated. By the way, found a site selling OBX for under $500.

darkman
03-01-13, 09:46 AM
Another difference between the OBX and the Pacesetter is the collector. OBX uses a 2.5 inch collector versus the 3.0 inch collector used by Pace Setter. Although that may not sound like much, the smaller OBX collector will only flow 60% of what the Pace Setter will flow. This reduces relative horsepower produced by the two type of headers on a stock engine and also limits the cam duration that can be used on an OBX-equipped motor without experiencing exhaust gas reversion. (Kooks of course, have equal-length primaries, the 3.0 inch collector, and are stainless steel.)

D-RoKK
03-01-13, 10:17 AM
http://i747.photobucket.com/albums/xx116/imjustsobeast/20130301_021853.jpg

Manofmetal01
03-01-13, 01:23 PM
(Kooks of course, have equal-length primaries, the 3.0 inch collector, and are stainless steel.)

Kooks FTW!

etcts-v
03-01-13, 05:05 PM
I got the ceramic coated and then wrapped in DEI headed wrap and sprayed their silicone paint on the wrap.

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I got ceramic coated with DEI header wrap and silicone spray.

odla
03-01-13, 08:06 PM
Whats the site for the obx?

I think darkman Swade me over to the pacesetter though lol.

NC-V
03-01-13, 08:20 PM
If anyone could help me decide, that would be greatly appreciated. By the way, found a site selling OBX for under $500.

If you are referring to E-racingzone or any of the other places that sell the OBX NON-catted packages, they are back ordered direct from OBX and unsure as to when OBX is going to do another production run. Not sure on the availability of the catted setups. I would highly recommend Kook's over any of the others. That being said, I just went with armorcoated pacesetters for the simple fact that I didn't want to spend $1K+ on a set of headers that will be removed in a year when the turbos go on.

trukk
03-02-13, 11:17 AM
Another difference between the OBX and the Pacesetter is the collector. OBX uses a 2.5 inch collector versus the 3.0 inch collector used by Pace Setter. Although that may not sound like much, the smaller OBX collector will only flow 60% of what the Pace Setter will flow. This reduces relative horsepower produced by the two type of headers on a stock engine and also limits the cam duration that can be used on an OBX-equipped motor without experiencing exhaust gas reversion. (Kooks of course, have equal-length primaries, the 3.0 inch collector, and are stainless steel.)

Kooks also feature a venturi style design in the collector. Not sure of the pace setters or OBX have that feature. It is the spike between where the primaries meet the collector.

90k miles on my kooks. Zero issues.

-Chris

vcaddy06
03-03-13, 05:25 PM
Ok, so if kooks didnt exist, what brand headers for our V's would you guys purchase for under a grand?

Manofmetal01
03-05-13, 12:12 AM
Kooks

253ctsv
03-05-13, 01:11 AM
Kooks

$939

vcaddy06
03-12-13, 06:03 PM
Ok maybe I wasn't clear enough....if kooks did NOT exist, which brand would you purchase...

darkman
03-12-13, 06:44 PM
Ok maybe I wasn't clear enough....if kooks did NOT exist, which brand would you purchase...

In your hypothetical - do Billy Boat, TPIS Inc., and Stainless Steel Works also NOT exist?

vcaddy06
03-12-13, 07:08 PM
In your hypothetical - do Billy Boat, TPIS Inc., and Stainless Steel Works also NOT exist?

As stated above, "less then $1,000". All those mentioned are above that mark. Not willing to spend $1k or more on exhaust headers for a car. My original question was to determine a purchase between OBX and Pacesetter headers. I thought this was a forum to get help and info/opinion.

253ctsv
03-12-13, 07:20 PM
As stated above, "less then $1,000". All those mentioned are above that mark. Not willing to spend $1k or more on exhaust headers for a car. My original question was to determine a purchase between OBX and Pacesetter headers. I thought this was a forum to get help and info/opinion.

My kooks were 939 coated and shipped. That's under a thousand. Seems like a pretty good deal to me. Unless you're just bent on putting lower quality on your car

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If 939 isn't far enough under your budget of 1000 u can call them and they nock some more off if you don't get them coated

darkman
03-12-13, 07:36 PM
i would probably go with OBX over Pace Setter based on the larger primaries (even with the smaller collector) and the stainless steel composition.

Naf
03-13-13, 02:50 AM
Just be careful with how you save your money, there are a few parts you can save money on, and others its just not worth the risk...

If you search all header kits come with horror stories, but its the aftersales support from the manufacture that makes the difference.

I have heard nuttin but bad reviews with Pacesetters, OBX is close, but has a better aftersales support.

Kooks and American racing are the top dogs with the highest prices. However, presently i am pissed at Kooks for they lied about the availability of my last set of headers i want to buy...Tryin to upgrade my tahoe from 1 3/4 to 1 7/8 they said in stock and if i order they will get them coated and ready to ship by Feb 28, today we are the 13th of March and i am waitin on plain none coated headers to be delivered...I hate backorders

thebigjimsho
03-13-13, 11:36 AM
Common! Someone has to have headers for $200! This is America. Cheap is free!

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I have a Geo Metro and I refuse to spend more than $125 for headers!

Hammar
03-13-13, 12:27 PM
I realize I'm late to the party on this... I put Pacesetters on my '05 several years ago, ~$450 shipped.

Within ~3 months (winter driving) the coating had bubbled severly on the bottom where they were most exposed to winter slop from the roads. A couple phone calls got me no where with the vendor. I'm still running them headers, aside from looking terrible from the bottom (but how many of us can say we don't....) they function just fine.

Given a do-over, I'd proly save my pennies for another brand. Maybe make my own from a DIY kit. They were great bang for the buck, but cosmetically.... a big fail.

Hammar
maggied 2005 V

AAIIIC
03-13-13, 12:30 PM
I don't particularly understand all the hate and discontent directed towards the lower priced headers. There are a helluva lot more cars and trucks on the road with "cheap" headers (Pacesetter, Hedman, whatever) than there are with expensive ones (Kooks, B&B, etc). If they had been available when I was shopping, I probably would've picked up a set of the Pacesetters and gotten them Swain Tech coated (as I did with my Kooks). I had a metallic-ceramic coated mild steel header on my Subaru for years with no issues (including New England winters), so IMO there's absolutely no reason to worry about the Pacesetter headers if you get them coated.

I'm sure the Kooks are "better", but what does that really mean - 5 or 10hp? Meh, it's not a difference I would ever feel.

odla
03-13-13, 02:17 PM
bad links sorry guys. wrong part numbers.

What else do you need to connect to a stock non Corsa system?

thebigjimsho
03-13-13, 02:30 PM
I don't particularly understand all the hate and discontent directed towards the lower priced headers. There are a helluva lot more cars and trucks on the road with "cheap" headers (Pacesetter, Hedman, whatever) than there are with expensive ones (Kooks, B&B, etc). If they had been available when I was shopping, I probably would've picked up a set of the Pacesetters and gotten them Swain Tech coated (as I did with my Kooks). I had a metallic-ceramic coated mild steel header on my Subaru for years with no issues (including New England winters), so IMO there's absolutely no reason to worry about the Pacesetter headers if you get them coated.

I'm sure the Kooks are "better", but what does that really mean - 5 or 10hp? Meh, it's not a difference I would ever feel.

Then why do headers at all?

Chris Cornett
03-13-13, 02:37 PM
Guys just remember you get what you pay for and dont expect anything more or less than that. I went with Kooks 1 7/8 from Maryland Speed for $840 shipped.

odthetruth
03-15-13, 07:11 PM
I don't particularly understand all the hate and discontent directed towards the lower priced headers. There are a helluva lot more cars and trucks on the road with "cheap" headers (Pacesetter, Hedman, whatever) than there are with expensive ones (Kooks, B&B, etc). If they had been available when I was shopping, I probably would've picked up a set of the Pacesetters and gotten them Swain Tech coated (as I did with my Kooks). I had a metallic-ceramic coated mild steel header on my Subaru for years with no issues (including New England winters), so IMO there's absolutely no reason to worry about the Pacesetter headers if you get them coated.

I'm sure the Kooks are "better", but what does that really mean - 5 or 10hp? Meh, it's not a difference I would ever feel.

Agreed. I personally have seen my setup of just headers with stock exhaust putting out more hp on the same dyno then others with Kooks. I think its such a small difference, it may not even matter.

I mean, i see guys going 1 7/8 headers on bone stock\light bolt on NA setups... bigger doesn't necessarily mean better either.
I think the Pacesetters work great for what they are. I've had them in for about a year, and I've been tuned since Sept with 0 issues. No leaks, no nothing. Wrapped and working perfect.

Chris Cornett
03-15-13, 07:29 PM
Bigger is not always better but Im planning on a cam and head swap so the smaller headers will leave power on the table.

odthetruth
03-15-13, 07:57 PM
Bigger is not always better but Im planning on a cam and head swap so the smaller headers will leave power on the table.

Not necessarily either. This comes to mind.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z06-discussion/2965303-1-3-4-headers-vs-1-7-8-headers-my-experience.html

Everyone's build is different, but 1 3/4 Pacesetters work perfectly fine on many other LSx cars. Too many people downplay them here.

vcaddy06
03-16-13, 07:07 PM
Common! Someone has to have headers for $200! This is America. Cheap is free!

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I have a Geo Metro and I refuse to spend more than $125 for headers!

You're just pathetic. All you're doing is causing drama buddy. Move along.

vcaddy06
03-16-13, 07:34 PM
Friend of mine has an '05 GTO with jet black pacesetter headers and he hasn't had one problem in almost a two years. No corrosion (we live on the east coast of south Florida, salty air), no leaks, nothing. To me, exhaust is just an exhaust, I'm looking for a little jump in power, but mostly sound. I don't track my car so going all out on $1000-$1500 exhaust headers is a total waste when $300-$500 headers can get practically the same thing. One last thing, "to each their own". Don't knock the way someone wants to upgrade their car...

Chris Cornett
03-17-13, 01:17 AM
No one is knocking them and they seem like a good value. By the time you pay for a quality coating because they are not stainless theres not a ton of savings. Im not talking about rattle can header paint either.

Vav
03-18-13, 04:31 AM
Odla, are you sure your looking at the right part number? When I search I'm getting 72C2272 and the are $472.

odla
03-18-13, 12:46 PM
Vav your right. don't know how they came up like that. i fixed that post. good catch. my bad.

Vav
03-19-13, 08:25 AM
It's all good man, I was gonna buy some if they were that cheap! I think Maryland Speed has them the cheapest right now, $419 shipped. I probably go ahead and order mine.

odla
03-19-13, 01:53 PM
I just bought a set of used coated with magnaflow cats shipped to me for $340. Only had 500 miles on them.

thebigjimsho
03-26-13, 11:54 AM
You're just pathetic. All you're doing is causing drama buddy. Move along.

And you're the only one who is so uptight to complain...

odthetruth
03-26-13, 12:43 PM
Lets just keep it on track here.