I know this is all still conjecture but....

I was looking at gminsider, and saw that they have the folllowing info on the future CTS-V engine (http://www.gminsidenews.com/futureguide1.htm):

"CTS/CTS-V- CTS-V will move to the 6.0L V8 by 2006 as production of the 5.7L LS6 ceases. The CTS is scheduled for a redesign in 2007. It is possible Sigma might be dumped at this point for a luxury version of the Zeta platform. It is rumored that the CTS-V will get the 6.4L LS7 powertrain in 2008."

I take this to mean LS2.

Googles cache updated this page on Dec 13th, so it is about a week stale.
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gminsidenews.com%2 Ffutureguide1.htm

-Chris

I know this is all still conjecture but....

I was looking at gminsider, and saw that they have the folllowing info on the future CTS-V engine (http://www.gminsidenews.com/futureguide1.htm):

"CTS/CTS-V- CTS-V will move to the 6.0L V8 by 2006 as production of the 5.7L LS6 ceases. The CTS is scheduled for a redesign in 2007. It is possible Sigma might be dumped at this point for a luxury version of the Zeta platform. It is rumored that the CTS-V will get the 6.4L LS7 powertrain in 2008."

I take this to mean LS2.

Googles cache updated this page on Dec 13th, so it is about a week stale.
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gminsidenews.com%2 Ffutureguide1.htm

-Chris


6.4L? Isn't the LS7 7.0L?

Are you doubting the rumor mill?

-Chris

'Do not taunt happy fun ball'

On corvetteforum.com it's been stated by people in the "know" that the LS7 is in fact a 7.0L / 427 engine. Apparently, GM did a lot of testing on a 6.4L block that reportedly had durability issues (no one really knows happened with the 6.4L blocks...) at 500HP, so they upped displacement to 7.0L for the LS7. The CTS-V might get a 6.4L variant of the LS2 ,or if we're lucky, the LS7. We should know the anwsers in less than 3 weeks.

On corvetteforum.com it's been stated by people in the "know" that the LS7 is in fact a 7.0L / 427 engine. Apparently, GM did a lot of testing on a 6.4L block that reportedly had durability issues (no one really knows happened with the 6.4L blocks...) at 500HP, so they upped displacement to 7.0L for the LS7. The CTS-V might get a 6.4L variant of the LS2 ,or if we're lucky, the LS7. We should know the anwsers in less than 3 weeks.

This is reasonably good evidence, I think:

http://www.triple3.org/z06/z1.jpg

I will share a quote from someone within GM that is in the know, whom I can not disclose..

"Do not get too attached to that 2004 CTS-V, because when you see what is in store for the 2006, you will want an immediate upgrade !!!"

I took this to be performance upgrade....

FYI, info on all of GM's Platform plans (including CTS) for the next few years. Includes a new Sigma-CTS (not ZETA)

Thread: http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248544

Document: http://www.edc.ca/prodserv/automotive/pdf/cleveland_e.pdf

The LS7 is (as the picutre above shows) a 7.0 Liter.

-Adam

I think the worst factor is I can now see GM waiting for the 07 Re-design to upgrade the motor. The 06 is due out in 6 or 7 months, and we should problably know for sure from the auto show next month.

Here is an interesting article about the history of the small block chevy engine, and the new facility to produce the hand crafted high performance versions. Interesting that it says capacity is 15,000 units/year, and that the first application will be the LS7. I wonder how many 06 Z06's they plan to make?

http://www.autospectator.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=232

-Chris

I wonder how many 06 Z06's they plan to make?

http://www.autospectator.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=232

-Chris
C6 Z06 production should be around 5 - 6,000 units/year.

The Supercharged N* are being built there as well, so that's another 3 - 4,000 engines. If the CTS-V gets a new handbuilt engine they'll be near max capacity (12 - 13,000 engines/year in 2006-200X).

A good friend of mine is regularly consulted on GM product development. When I told him I had a V, he said "wait until it gets that 500 hp motor next year". I don't know if he knew something, or if he was just guessing, because the new Corvette has that engine. He wouldn't clarify. Time will tell.

A good friend of mine is regularly consulted on GM product development. When I told him I had a V, he said "wait until it gets that 500 hp motor next year". I don't know if he knew something, or if he was just guessing, because the new Corvette has that engine. He wouldn't clarify. Time will tell.

GMPD had told me in the past that if I liked my CTS-V, they'd have something of great interest at a january 05 auto show. Another model (STS-V) would not be of great interest to me, nor would the LS2... so I am hopeful.

I'd bet on the LS2 since it is already in the '05 GTO but, I seriously doubt the CTS-V will ever share the same engine as the current Z06 (in this case, the LS7).

I'd bet on the LS2 since it is already in the '05 GTO but, I seriously doubt the CTS-V will ever share the same engine as the current Z06 (in this case, the LS7).

If it were to get the LS7, one has to believe that the price would increase--from the details posted at digitalcorvettes, that seems like a pretty exotic (read as: expensive) engine compared to the LS6.

Here are some excerpts from the 2006 Corvette Press release.

Note: That sounds like a VERY expensive engine....but I guess no moreso than a N*


...{snip}....With the arrival of the C6, Corvette engineers got a nearly clean slate from which to create the next round of such street and racing successes, and the upcoming C6R and Z06 are the result. Indeed, the development teams elected to create the two virtually side-by-side, throwing away the notion that racecars and road cars must have little in common. Instead, this program proved that the goals of a sports car for both road and track could be furthered by studying them together.

The C6R is an extension of the highly successful C5R, while the Z06 is intended to be part supercar, part brand flagship, and part homologation special. And since neither machine had to fly under the radar this time (unlike the old Grand Sport) they were both free to take full advantage of the resources and skills of the whole corporation. More to the point, they could add to them.

In the car industry as a whole, the dream of a symbiotic relationship between street cars and track cars is nothing new. The reality is another matter, but the next Z06 could be the closest thing that Detroit has yet seen to this fantasy becoming fact.

...{snip}...

The 2006 Z06 is constructed around a perimeter-style frame just like other Corvettes, but the main rails beneath it are hydroformed out of aluminum instead of steel. The front engine cradle on the street car is made of lightweight and robust magnesium. And where the final year of the old Z06 included a carbon-fiber hood largely for commemorative-edition fanfare, the new Z06 takes advantage of that exercise by including carbon-fiber front fenders and wheelhouses plus sheet-carbon floorboards surrounding the model's traditional balsa-wood core. There's a lightweight, non-removable magnesium roof panel that simultaneously lower the Cg and greatly increases rigidity. And despite the addition of numerous beefier, heavier performance components such as larger brakes, heavier antiroll bars, and wider wheels, the 2006 Z06 weighs nearly 50 pounds less than the standard C6 (or some 3130 total) thanks to the extensive use of advanced chassis and body materials.

On the outside, the Z06 body includes several visual updates to separate this FIA stalking horse from the cooking C6. The more obvious changes include a central hood intake, flared wheelarches stretching a full three inches wider than standard, cooling ducts for the rear brakes, stouter front-fender vents, and reworked nose and tail caps. It's a relatively short list of differences, but the changes are substantial enough to ensure that the new Z06 stands out even more than the much loved C5 version. On the inside, unique lighter, grippier leather seats are joined by a smaller and much more attractive three-spoke wheel, standard HUD and air conditioning, and reduced sound insulation.

Still, like its predecessor, the majority of the upgrades have taken place underneath, starting as always in the engine compartment. Followers of the C5R racing effort are well aware of that car's potent powerplant, a bored-and-stroked interpretation of the familiar Gen-III V8. With a huge 4.125-inch bore and four-inch stroke giving a Rat-sized 427 inches of displacement, the "smallblock" designation was somewhat of a misnomer for that engine, even though it retained the same external dimensions as its LS1/LS6 forebears.

That same 427 is slated to continue in the C6R, but thanks to the much closer relationship between road and race trim demanded by new FIA/ACO/ALMS rules, the roadgoing Z06 will get its own 427 (Mat-motor? Rouse-motor?) for 2006. The numbers are nothing short of staggering: a full 500 horses at 6200 rpm, 475 lbs-ft @ 4800, a sub-four 0-60 dash, and quarter-mile sprints in under 12 seconds—a set of bogus plates and a false identity card would be nice additions to the glovebox. Despite being essentially a re-thought race motor, this new Z06 mill (called LS7 by GM) also promises remarkable tractability, thanks to receiving the same level of engine-management attention given its junior cousins.

While its exterior dimensions and general layout are shared with the LS2, the new LS7 is based on a separate block casting and assembled by hand at GM's new Performance Build Center in Wixom MI. The punched-out aluminum block carries lightweight titanium conrods attached to aluminum flat-top pistons giving 11.0:1 compression. Six-bolt, CNC-machined, forged-steel main caps are needed to keep the assembly together.

CNC machining is also utilized on the new aluminum heads, which boast an 18% improvement in airflow over LS2 units. Nearly straight tunnel-like intake runners feed the air/fuel charge through huge 2.2-inch titanium intake valves while 1.62-inch, sodium-filled hollow exhaust valves let spent gasses back out. A hydraulic-roller cam provides a significant .591-inch lift, even before taking into account the super-high-ratio rocker arms.

As on the C6R's race engine, hydroformed four-into-one tubular headers carry the exhaust from the heads, after which it's routed into a model-unique set of catalytic converters and dual-mode mufflers. The latter include a vacuum-operated valve that stays closed at low revs to manage noise and opens at larger throttle angles for minimum backpressure. The engine is lubricated by racing-style dry-sump oiling, which ensures complete lubrication under all cornering loads. Despite the massive displacement, lightweight internals give the LS7 a 7000-rpm redline in roadgoing trim—a figure more commonly associated with multivalve twincam Fours than traditional pushrod V8s.

The LS7's significant output is channeled through a lightweight flywheel and clutch assembly feeding a strengthened version of the previous model's Tremec six-speed transaxle. This rear-mounted gearbox includes a pump that routes transmission fluid through the front radiator stack for additional cooling, after which the chilled fluid is also used to help cool the lubricant in the limited-slip diff on the way back. The latter unit features an enlarged ring-and-pinion assembly and turns upgraded halfshafts and U-joints.

Huge 325/30ZR19 rear Goodyears put the power to the ground; the matching Eagle F1 Supercars up front are 275/35ZR18s. These ride on Z06-specific split-spoke alloys measuring 18x9.5 front and an imposing 19x12 at the rear. The basic suspension layout is shared with the standard Corvette, but performance-directed upsizing of the spring rates, antiroll-bar diameters, and braking hardware sets the Z06 apart. The stopping is done by 14-inch vented and crossdrilled rotors up front and 13.4-inch pieces out back, an increase of more than an inch at both ends. New six-piston calipers in front and four-piston units in back handle the clamping needs.

...{snip}...

Chevy insiders have sworn on their dead grandmothers' graves that the base Porsche 911 price was the program's target, yet it's hard to believe all that carbon, aluminum, and other specialized hardware can really be delivered in the high-60s; even a $75,000 sticker would be a spectacular value, especially compared to the six-figure tab of the Ford GT. On the other hand, anything more than that sum is likely to raise unfortunate accusations of ZR1-itis—it's hard to see how Chevy can win either way.

Providing cutting-edge hardware to the always-loyal Corvette fans appears to have played a key role in the new Z06's formula, but GM's renewed dedication to racing carries most of the drive for this Corvette supercar. Not that it really matters—either one of these motivating factors would be cause for celebration, especially given the praise heaped on the marque's glamourous heroes of yesteryear. It's great to admire the Grand Sport and L88, but neither of those legends was the result of such a legitimate street/track partnership, and neither one's nearly this fast.

The Corvette family's fastest street car and fastest racecar now have more commonalities than differences: seven-liter powerplant, dry-sump oiling, lightweight chassis, carbon-fiber bodywork. In the more restrictive environment of 2005's racing rules that was inevitable, but GM could have just as easily chosen to downgrade the C6R or cease racing altogether. This time around the company has decided to do what's best for both the street and the track. History ought to be doubly kind to any Corvette that comes out of that."

PS Here are new Z06 photos they just released.
http://mail.streetfire.net/ListSharedFiles_G.aspx?id=143A67EC-D5F8-4A4D-BF31-CC7FDDBF4864

THe V has to be able to handle the power. I know from personal experience that the rear won't, will the tranny? Your taling about adding 800lbs over the ZO6. We have the brakes. I would say that with the driveline upgrade it could come in $5k to $7k more. There isn't that much of an ADDED cost of hand producing that motor over an LS2. It all depends how much GM wants to make off of it. Kinda like a Big Screen Tv costs more to fix than a 20" when they are both just as easy to work on.