: Safe to drive in light snow and ice?



dennych
10-23-12, 05:17 PM
Hey guys,

I'm scheduled to drive my used wagon back around november 11 from Oklahoma city to Los Angeles. I'll be passing through Amarillo, Alberquerque, and flagstaff.
Do you guys think snow could become an issue this time of year as i'm not very familiar with that route. I know the PS2s are very much summer tires and might not fare so well if it does snow.

The other option would be to ship it back costing me about 800-900 dollars. What do you guys think?

larry arizona
10-23-12, 05:23 PM
With PS2's I highly recommend against it. Useless in temps below 40F on dry pavement much less anything like ice or snow. However, I would try it personally.

dennych
10-23-12, 05:41 PM
With PS2's I highly recommend against it. Useless in temps below 40F on dry pavement much less anything like ice or snow. However, I would try it personally.

So you would recommend I try driving it back or ship it? haha, because it sounded like you recommended against it but I should do it anyway ;)

neuronbob
10-23-12, 05:42 PM
If the weather is not going to be inclement, you can do it, acknowledgeing that if it's cold (and it will be in at least Flagstaff) braking distances are longer with cold PS2s. I've done it in a pinch.

If even light snow and ice are predicted for your travel dates, don't do it, the PS2s will not work, and you should ship. Even I won't try it, and I know how to drive in snow.

Hopefully, someone who knows your travel route well will comment further.

cdog533
10-23-12, 05:52 PM
Cold weather is OK. But isn't Flagstaff at 7,500 ft? If it snows, YOU WILL DIE. If there is ice, YOU WILL DIE.

It's not like 'well, I'll just slow down...' No. You have no grip in adverse weather. It's either stop or die.

Go further south, to San Antonio, and take I-10 to Tuscon, I-8 to the coast, and drive up to LA. That's much prettier AND much safer.

smackdownCTSV
10-23-12, 06:02 PM
I wouldn't even drive with them in under 40 degree temps. They are horrible! But to be expected from a summer tire. Shipping shouldn't be that expensive, but if it is, you might as well invest that money in some snow tires, or at the least, a/s.

dennych
10-23-12, 06:21 PM
Hm, I see

I was reconsidering maybe Albuquerque -> (South Via 25 to the 10) Phoenix or Tuscon -> LA
San Antonia seems a bit out of the way. what do you guys think?

Honestly I've never been to any of these states :)
but I do have to make it back over the span of 3 days at least.

neuronbob
10-23-12, 06:37 PM
If it snows, YOU WILL DIE. If there is ice, YOU WILL DIE.

ROFLMAO.....thank you, I needed a laugh at the end of a long day. However, this is very true.

RGaret
10-23-12, 06:41 PM
I wouldn't even drive with them in under 40 degree temps. They are horrible! But to be expected from a summer tire. Shipping shouldn't be that expensive, but if it is, you might as well invest that money in some snow tires, or at the least, a/s.

Are they just bad to drive on or do the tires actually get damaged in the process?

Mike02z
10-23-12, 06:45 PM
I agree. I have driven mine with no snow but about 40 degrees and it was like ice skating if I even tried to give it any throttle. I would highly advise against driving it when the road temps are below 50 degrees unless you have All Season or snow tires on it.

smackdownCTSV
10-23-12, 06:49 PM
Are they just bad to drive on or do the tires actually get damaged in the process?

Yup, it's like hydroplaning but worse. TR explains it best. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=116

dennych
10-23-12, 07:28 PM
Cool. Glad I asked here first. Detouring would take longer and less time to sight see. Plus my Fiance really wanted to see the grand canyon. I guess I'll suck up the 800-900 dollars and have it shipped. Would you guys recommend covered shipping or just open shipping is fine? Any recommendations for transport? My current pick is safe-car direct.

Darnell
10-23-12, 08:44 PM
I wouldn't do it...

I tried to drive from Little Rock to Memphis during a very light snow fall with temps in the low 30's and I didn't make it 10 mins before I was sliding sideways towards a guardrail.

Xaqtly
10-23-12, 08:46 PM
Maybe just wait to pick your route until you can see the weather forecast. If it's not going to snow or dip into the sub-40s you should be fine on your original route.

dennych
10-23-12, 09:12 PM
Maybe just wait to pick your route until you can see the weather forecast. If it's not going to snow or dip into the sub-40s you should be fine on your original route.

Yeah, the route does cover 1000+ miles though. And even with the best intentions forecasts are never 100% accurate. Since I'm on such a strict timetable I think it's still better I just ship it. It'll make my boss happier too.

larry arizona
10-23-12, 09:31 PM
So you would recommend I try driving it back or ship it? haha, because it sounded like you recommended against it but I should do it anyway ;)i am just warning you about how bad ps2s are in the cold and snow. but that does not mean i am smart :alchi:

IBMike
10-24-12, 02:30 AM
In November weather along that route is a crap shoot; could be 70, could be 10 and blinding snow. Drove from ABQ to Vegas for new year's eve a couple years ago in the wife's Camaro; weather was supposed to be clear and decent. Of course it went to shit and we hit snow in Flagstaff and it was pretty dicey for awhile!

No way to predict what will be rolling through more than a couple days out. Best bet it to ship it or have them put good tired on it and enjoy the drive.

thebigjimsho
10-24-12, 01:21 PM
Lets not overstate things here.

You CAN NOT drive in any snow with PS2s.

However, you can drive the PS2s well below freezing temps. Does anyone here actually drive their Vs in the rain? OMG, you have?????

What do you do in the rain? You take it easy. Simple. The PS2s will drop off in grip under 50 degrees. But the first two winters I drove my V were on PS2s. Last winter it was on my Hankook evo V12s, which are summer tires.

THERE IS MORE GRIP ON SUMMER TIRES IN THE COLD THAN IN RAIN!

I picked up my V in San Antonio and drove back to Boston over Thanksgiving Day weekend in '09. The weather was very nice for me.

If it snows, park it. If not, go for it...

vagondr
10-24-12, 02:54 PM
Great information. This forum should be required reading for new V owners. The dealer never told me that the car, as delivered, was limited to seasonal operation. I'll park the car for the four months of winter we have in southern NJ,if necessary, rather than deal with tire changes and more aging TPMs and resetting issues. Fortunately I kept my old car for a spare as it had little trade in value. I'm a sensible driver and have not had any issues driving in the rain. With careful driving can I assume I'm safe at least down to 40 degrees on dry roads? Has anyone experienced tire cracking and at what temperature? I may never get to try the heated seats.

RGaret
10-24-12, 06:21 PM
Lets not overstate things here.

You CAN NOT drive in any snow with PS2s.

However, you can drive the PS2s well below freezing temps. Does anyone here actually drive their Vs in the rain? OMG, you have?????

What do you do in the rain? You take it easy. Simple. The PS2s will drop off in grip under 50 degrees. But the first two winters I drove my V were on PS2s. Last winter it was on my Hankook evo V12s, which are summer tires.

THERE IS MORE GRIP ON SUMMER TIRES IN THE COLD THAN IN RAIN!

I picked up my V in San Antonio and drove back to Boston over Thanksgiving Day weekend in '09. The weather was very nice for me.

If it snows, park it. If not, go for it...

I've been driving only on summer tires for the past 6 years. My first winter with my Lexus I took it out in the snow. WHAT A DISASTER. It was like driving on the metal rims. Never ever did that again. I do drive in freezing temps but take it easy as if it was raining and I have never had a problem. When it snows, I just don't use the car. Period.

tedcmiller
10-24-12, 08:59 PM
It should also be mentioned that the CTS-V is a rear wheel drive vehicle which makes driving it in snow much worse than a front wheel drive vehicle.

Trapspeed
10-24-12, 10:33 PM
It should also be mentioned that the CTS-V is a rear wheel drive vehicle which makes driving it in snow much worse than a front wheel drive vehicle.

And what's worse than that? One with monster torque.

hulksdaddy
10-24-12, 10:48 PM
You should be fine. :D

McGuffy
10-25-12, 08:45 PM
Simple physics - summer tires are a softer rubber that gets rock hard in cold temps - you might as well be driving on the rims at a certain point.

1madstsv
10-25-12, 10:28 PM
They go fine in the snow I don't know what any one is talking abought.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6a07w-ck_8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

marktanner
10-28-12, 03:18 PM
The PS2s are really crap in snow and cold temperatures, but not totally undriveable if you know what you're doing. Depends on your experience in snow and ice driving. Helps to have a stick, too, to keep the revs down and out of the power band. Experience also helps you to know when not to drive, when it's just too much for you or your vehicle. I learned to drive in Syracuse in the winter in a 1968 Pontiac Catalina 400 with bias ply snows on the rear only, as was typical back then. In my experience, my V has not been much worse than that. Fortunately, I don't have to endure those conditions much in Atlanta. If one's experience is much less than that in snow driving, I wouldn't chance it. The worst thing I have to endure in the snow in Atlanta is the antics of the other inexperienced drivers, and I usually try to avoid driving to keep them from hitting me. Ice and snow driving, like driving in the rain, is a whole other skill set.

cdog533
10-29-12, 01:40 PM
The PS2s are really crap in snow and cold temperatures, but not totally undriveable if you know what you're doing.

I agree they will work fine, but are pretty slippery, in cold temps.

But 1/4" of snow and the car simply will refuse to move, turn, or stop (if you do get it going).

neuronbob
10-29-12, 03:48 PM
It should also be mentioned that the CTS-V is a rear wheel drive vehicle which makes driving it in snow much worse than a front wheel drive vehicle.

While I do agree with you in principle, I think people in general are so accustomed to FWD and the more recent AWD drivetrains that they forget the days not that long ago, when everybody drove RWD cars without technological tricks like Stabilitrak in the snow......and somehow survived. ;)

I am lucky to live in civilization and to have winter tires, so I have gotten away with daily driving a V for over 3 1/2 years. Stabilitrak does an amazing job as well during the winter. If I lived outside of civilization, I'd have a 4WD/AWD car/truck for the snowy season. Luckily, one thing we Clevelanders are really good at (other than rooting sucky sports teams :) , go 2-6 Browns!), is snow removal after a storm. It is a work of art to see the snow plows in synchronized action around here.

thebigjimsho
10-29-12, 06:20 PM
The only thing FWD has is weight over the drive wheels to get moving. In every other situation, RWD is much better. You start spinning with FWD and you're done. Good night. With RWD, you always have a chance to correct...

rick g
10-29-12, 09:33 PM
The only thing FWD has is weight over the drive wheels to get moving. In every other situation, RWD is much better. You start spinning with FWD and you're done. Good night. With RWD, you always have a chance to correct...

I drove my Vcoupe from Chicago to FL last Jan. and will do it again this coming Jan. if roads are too bad I'll stop for a bite to eat. Caution is the word.

pauldo
10-29-12, 09:54 PM
With all this discussion, what tires would be the best in snow, I'm in Michigan would love a V and would drive it year round. I've also heard development for all season tires for the Ctsv .any comments on this issue?

Rockey
10-29-12, 10:33 PM
Got caught in some snow in Chicago last winter with ps2. Not as unbelievably bad as most here would have you believe. I don't advise driving them in the snow but it is doable.

I have driven ps2 and re11 in cold weather in really don't see what the fuss is about. Sure it worse than warm weather but it is exactly what I expect. You can steer a lot more with the throttle but I get the impression not many here do that.

phatman
10-30-12, 01:01 AM
I know people who drive their vets all year long. I've even seen them in snow. You have to use wisdom.

tedcmiller
10-31-12, 03:53 PM
I once drove my CTS-V with just the start of ice on the road. It was a distance of about 10 miles. I almost did not make it (slippin' and slidin' all the way). I was so glad to be home with no mishaps, I kissed the ground and swore never to do it again. DON'T DO IT.

Xaqtly
10-31-12, 06:46 PM
You can drive a V in slippery conditions, but you really need narrower snow tires, and even then the V is RWD and has wide rims, both of which are working against you in the snow. I've lived in snow, I lived in New Hampshire for 11 years. I learned to drive in the middle of winter in NH. I would not drive the V in the snow, I would park it in a nice dry garage and buy a cheap used Subaru, throw some cheap steel rims on it with good snow tires and have at it. That's what I would do. :D