: Color question



thefox1
10-18-12, 09:03 PM
I'm going to order a V soon and was very surprised to see that there is no 74U or similar color. Does anyone know if a bright red will be available anytime soon? I find it a shame that for a sports car there is no bright red. Even BMW has a bright red option in the M series.

1997BlackETC
10-19-12, 12:16 AM
You can get red tintcoat, that is fairly bright, not like fire engine bright but it is a nice color.

elphil
10-19-12, 01:12 AM
http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad120/elphil_photo/cts20001.jpg

team_car
10-19-12, 07:34 AM
I think the red is much brighter in person than on the website builder/pics

M5eater
10-19-12, 08:04 AM
I think the red is much brighter in person than on the website builder/pics

It is.

It's still a deep and textured color though, I can understand the want for something more traditional.

Just like I wanted a damn solid white, not that stupid diamond tri-coat that they have.

thefox1
10-19-12, 09:34 AM
Yeah, I know about the red tri-coat. But for me I find too dark and more appealing to the older generation :P. I just traded in this that my sales rep had to look for in this color for 4 weeks and then sent two guy's 400 miles to get!

larry arizona
10-19-12, 10:25 AM
ohhhhh you want "arrest me red" for the younger generation. I don't think it fits the V's image.

thefox1
10-19-12, 03:05 PM
ohhhhh you want "arrest me red" for the younger generation. I don't think it fits the V's image.

So it dosen't fit the V's image but does the M's?

Vincentc112
10-19-12, 03:12 PM
So it dosen't fit the V's image but does the M's?
I agree with that... Having had both, the cars are so different

M5eater
10-19-12, 03:23 PM
ohhhhh you want "arrest me red" for the younger generation. I don't think it fits the V's image.

I would say the CTS-V fits the younger crowd image more than the M5 does.

How many 20-30 years olds own V2s?

How many own F10 M5s?

The V2 is priced squarely at M3 money, and the M3 *is* geared for younger people.

The problem is, GM doesn't think that translates into the V2 being for young people. Even though the demographics on this board clearly say otherwise.

The colorpalette for the CTS and CTS-V are 'clearly' more sophisticated than rebellous, and that's generally a safe way to play it for the 5 series and E class it was targeting, but these cars cost 3 series money, so there's going to be some headbutting on those issues. For some reason there just wasnt' any decision to move forward with the palette changes for younger demographs (even though one would argue they knew younger people liked these cars if the caliper, grille and wheel color options are any indicators) or maybe the lines on the V looked hedious with a yellow, red and orange. I don't know.

larry arizona
10-19-12, 03:32 PM
GM will not be making a solid bright red V2. This is the last year of production for the V2

Color is a personal choice of course and I respect your desire for the solid bright red. My take on it is that GM chose to use richer metallic colors such as the tricoats series (red, white,black,blue and Obsidian Blue, Thunder Gray) and charged a $1000 premium for these colors. The only solid color available is good old black. The rest of the colors are standard metallics.

Like you concluded the colors GM chose are set to a older demographic as I think the V2 is marketed for the 35+ crowd (that might be on the low end) and I would say the red is a younger demographic.

My 2 cents........ and worth very little

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I would say the CTS-V fits the younger crowd image more than the M5 does.

How many 20-30 years olds own V2s?

How many own F10 M5s?

The V2 is priced squarely at M3 money, and the M3 *is* geared for younger people.

The problem is, GM doesn't think that translates into the V2 being for young people. Even though the demographics on this board clearly say otherwise.

The colorpalette for the CTS and CTS-V are 'clearly' more sophisticated than rebellous, and that's generally a safe way to play it for the 5 series and E class it was targeting, but these cars cost 3 series money, so there's going to be some headbutting on those issues. For some reason there just wasnt' any decision to move forward with the palette changes for younger demographs (even though one would argue they knew younger people liked these cars if the caliper, grille and wheel color options are any indicators)

M5 your the only V2 owner under 25 (both of your V's) that didnt have someone buy it for them.......:stirpot:

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GM will not be making a solid bright red V2. This is the last year of production for the V2

Color is a personal choice of course and I respect your desire for the solid bright red. My take on it is that GM chose to use richer metallic colors such as the tricoats series (red, white,black,blue and Obsidian Blue, Thunder Gray) and charged a $1000 premium for these colors. The only solid color available is good old black. The rest of the colors are standard metallics.

Like you concluded the colors GM chose are set to a older demographic as I think the V2 is marketed for the 35+ crowd (that might be on the low end) and I would say the red is a younger demographic.

My 2 cents........ and worth very little

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M5 your the only V2 owner under 25 (both of your V's) that didnt have someone buy it for them.......:stirpot:

Not calling out the other younger V2 owners, Just ribbing M5 hehehe

thefox1
10-19-12, 03:42 PM
Yeah well my Dad is 72 and owns a 2010 Orange Camaro. He always looked for the most outrageous new color in new vehicles he purchased. But that's a shame, there's a difference between age and being old! But you are right; GM execs are not only old but old in spirit!! :) So I guess we will never see cool colors in the V. Hopefully they won’t try to make the next V front wheel drive!!

M5eater
10-19-12, 04:02 PM
Color is a personal choice of course and I respect your desire for the solid bright red. My take on it is that GM chose to use richer metallic colors such as the tricoats series (red, white,black,blue and Obsidian Blue, Thunder Gray) and charged a $1000 premium for these colors. The only solid color available is good old black. The rest of the colors are standard metallics.


you know what's interesting?

Red tintcoat costs $325 on a cruze, but $995 on a CTS =.='''


M5 your the only V2 owner under 25 (both of your V's) that didnt have someone buy it for them.......


yeah well... well... I don't have any snappy comebacks for that .

FLTRI
10-19-12, 04:31 PM
Frankly, I was amazed when I joined the board at the large amount of under 30 V owners that are here. Speaks volumes of what GM has done to revise their demographic. Fantastic marketing, IMHO...

larry arizona
10-19-12, 06:50 PM
you know what's interesting?

Red tintcoat costs $325 on a cruze, but $995 on a CTS =.='''


yeah well... well... I don't have any snappy comebacks for that .

Did you know that the most expensive process in making a car is painting it? If you ever witnessed the painting process and see what it takes to run a paintshop it is down right mind boggling. Throw in booths, ovens, energy usage for heating or cooling and humidification to hold a steady 70F and 70%RH enviroment and then throw in the handling of paint waste and enviromental containment of paint effluence and its $$$$$$$. So I understand that given the same paint color run in a low volume plant like Lansing Grand River and a high volume plant like Lordstown (cruze) and I can see the cost difference. Plus GM makes no profit on small cars like cruzes and does make money on a V or CTS for that matter.

M5eater
10-19-12, 07:03 PM
Did you know that the most expensive process in making a car is painting it? If you ever witnessed the painting process and see what it takes to run a paintshop it is down right mind boggling. Throw in booths, ovens, energy usage for heating or cooling and humidification to hold a steady 70F and 70%RH enviroment and then throw in the handling of paint waste and enviromental containment of paint effluence and its $$$$$$$. So I understand that given the same paint color run in a low volume plant like Lansing Grand River and a high volume plant like Lordstown (cruze) and I can see the cost difference. Plus GM makes no profit on small cars like cruzes and does make money on a V or CTS for that matter.

That cost is already built-into the car with the base colors though. The $995 is buying the special paint and 1 more coat.

larry arizona
10-19-12, 08:34 PM
They got to make their money somewhere by marking premium colors up. Tricoat is base color with metallic, tinted clear coat with pearl, and clear coat on top.

m5biemer
10-20-12, 03:02 PM
I saw the red on a '12 coupe at one of our local dealerships, it is a reanice color. We have 2 other red cars so I'm picky about reds, this one is definitely sharp. Perhaps it doesn't look as good on the sedan or wagon, I can't comment about that. Seems like there are plenty of red wagons on the used car market.

Jinx
10-21-12, 01:13 AM
Maybe as more of them get older, we'll see repaints to fit personal preferences.

marktanner
10-21-12, 03:08 PM
Another point to consider is that solid colors may not look particularly good on the CTS, not counting black, which always looks good. It has to do with the gentle, large radius curves of the body, and the relative lack of hard lines on the body sides to give more "shape". The metallics (and black) use light to enhance the lines of the car in a way that other solid colors generally don't. I agree that the G8 looked great in solid red, but it's lines and flatter body panels allowed it. Same for the Camaro. The Porsche 993 generally looked dead in solid red and white, while previous generations looked great in those colors with the same basic body. The difference was that the front and rear fenders were more bulbous (but still very sexy) on the 993, while they were relatively flat and with a pronounced lip on the older cars. The doors, hood, and roof line were the same, yet the effect was very different, all due to the fender lines. The light playing off the metallics and black helped define those large radius curves, but wasn't necessary on the flatter, older cars.

If you haven't seen the V in red, go find one. They are plentiful. It is almost a candy apple effect, and looks sporting yet rich on such a large car. It does tend to go maroon at dusk, but so does solid red.

jsherid1
10-22-12, 09:40 AM
Crystal Red is really striking--I was torn between that and the Thunder Gray. I decided that my license would be under enough pressure with a 556hp V8 so I went with the stealthier color.

FWIW, John Manoogian (retired Studio Chief for the 2008-present CTS) has a Thunder Gray V-sedan.

thebigjimsho
10-24-12, 10:53 AM
It is.

It's still a deep and textured color though, I can understand the want for something more traditional.

Just like I wanted a damn solid white, not that stupid diamond tri-coat that they have.

Agreed. I'd love to see a V1 in Arctic white...