: Thinking bout buying new F-350 to haul cross country with



truckinman
09-03-12, 11:55 PM
I'm thinking, emphasis on "thinking", about buying a new full ton pick up truck and 5th wheel trailer and becoming an independent contractor hauling campers and cars and what not across the country with it.

I went and tested out a 2012 ford F-350 king ranch crew cab non dually 4x4 today. I want some nice and comfortable bc I'll be using it like I do my semi truck. Putting the same miles on it every week and sleeping in it too. I really like what all the ford super duties offer for towing and comfort for the driver.


I'm not sure, however, if I do this even, if I should apply for a business loan at my bank for the truck and trailer, or finance the truck thru ford and a trailer thru where ever I get the trailer from. It would be a few months b4 I even do this but right now I'm just doing my home work to see if it'd even be worth my while. The company I'm looking into to contract with pays 2 dollars a loaded mile if I can haul 2 campers at a time. Or 1.40 a mile if the campers are to big to get two on my trailer.

Anybody have any possible insight for me on this? Lol. If I should try for a business loan or finance straight thru ford? Or any insight at all. Like I said I'm just doing my homework right now before I jump in to deep.

97EldETC
09-04-12, 12:52 AM
My father purchased a 2008 F-350 Super Duty 4x4 non-dually regular gas, new, and he loves it. It has I believe 13,xxx miles on it. It's really just to haul crap and pull the trailer, or boat when we don't use the 08 Outlook XR. It gets average 10-11mpg. No joke. I just drove it yesterday and my mouth dropped. Same what I'm getting in my 97 ETC. It is a hard worker though! It is one of those two front door and half rear doors. Now that back seat sucks but is doable if necessary. VERY stiff suspension. you can really feel the pot holes and road. I however, wouldn't sleep in the cab, just the bed of it..... Good luck!

talismandave
09-04-12, 01:11 AM
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truckinman
09-04-12, 02:02 AM
The 2012 I drove rode really smooth actually. I was surprised. And thanks! I'm hoping things work out. Just have to see.

Playdrv4me
09-04-12, 03:31 AM
Yeah, Shipping Wars got me VERY VERY curious about this non-Semi shipping business as well, especially since I already drive all over the damn place for the hell of it anyway. If I'm not mistaken, you don't need all kinds of DOT certifications and such to drive a standard pickup versus anything with air brakes or larger, so I'm giving it some thought.

truckinman
09-04-12, 04:24 AM
Yeah, Shipping Wars got me VERY VERY curious about this non-Semi shipping business as well, especially since I already drive all over the damn place for the hell of it anyway. If I'm not mistaken, you don't need all kinds of DOT certifications and such to drive a standard pickup versus anything with air brakes or larger, so I'm giving it some thought.

Well most of the trucks I see pulling goose neck trailers do have DOT numbers on them. But i don't know if it's a must. Again some homework for me to do. If I'm not mistaken, anything with a GVW over 10k lbs needs DOT certified to work. And the GVW for a 350 is around 26k.

I've actually never seen shipping wars. Lol. May need to check it out. I've been driving semis long enough tho, driving a pick up with a 40 foot goose neck would be no problem. If I finance the truck thru ford, we are thinking bout trading my fiancÚs car in since her cars all paid off and giving her the caddy till we can get her a new car. I thought bout getting a semi and doing it but frankly, it'd be nice to have a pickup around anyway.

Playdrv4me
09-04-12, 05:06 AM
Well most of the trucks I see pulling goose neck trailers do have DOT numbers on them. But i don't know if it's a must. Again some homework for me to do. If I'm not mistaken, anything with a GVW over 10k lbs needs DOT certified to work. And the GVW for a 350 is around 26k.

I've actually never seen shipping wars. Lol. May need to check it out. I've been driving semis long enough tho, driving a pick up with a 40 foot goose neck would be no problem. If I finance the truck thru ford, we are thinking bout trading my fiancÚs car in since her cars all paid off and giving her the caddy till we can get her a new car. I thought bout getting a semi and doing it but frankly, it'd be nice to have a pickup around anyway.

But would all the DOT stuff then stick you with electronic logs (or even paper logs), CSA 2010 and all that other BS the truckers are always complaining about? (I listen to trucking radio on XM fairly religiously lol).

truckinman
09-04-12, 06:44 AM
But would all the DOT stuff then stick you with electronic logs (or even paper logs), CSA 2010 and all that other BS the truckers are always complaining about? (I listen to trucking radio on XM fairly religiously lol).

I wouldn't have to do electronic logs. Only companies with like 50 or more trucks are legally restricted to only E-logs. But I might have to do paper logs. But I'm not for sure bout the paper logs. That something else I need to find out. A friend of mine, his uncle does this work but to get around all the DOT crap he simply put a "not for hire" sticker on his goose neck. I'd be kind of afraid to do that. But it's worked for him for years and years. Lol. Like unsaid there's still a lotta homework I gotta do for this. Lol

Playdrv4me
09-04-12, 07:23 AM
I wouldn't have to do electronic logs. Only companies with like 50 or more trucks are legally restricted to only E-logs. But I might have to do paper logs. But I'm not for sure bout the paper logs. That something else I need to find out. A friend of mine, his uncle does this work but to get around all the DOT crap he simply put a "not for hire" sticker on his goose neck. I'd be kind of afraid to do that. But it's worked for him for years and years. Lol. Like unsaid there's still a lotta homework I gotta do for this. Lol

Keep this thread updated if you can. I'm intrigued by this.

truckinman
09-04-12, 07:35 AM
Can do! Like I said it'll be over a period of several months but I'll keep it updated as I learn new things.

brandondeleo
09-04-12, 09:00 AM
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rodnok01
09-04-12, 10:43 AM
What about insurance costs?
Do you have contacts for back hauls ?

talismandave
09-04-12, 11:43 AM
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MrHolland
09-04-12, 11:55 AM
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09-04-12, 11:58 AM
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truckinman
09-04-12, 12:21 PM
What about insurance costs?
Do you have contacts for back hauls ?

I'd have to make some contacts for back hauls but most of the time this place I'm thinking about contracting with has back hauls. Insurance costs won't be cheap I'm sure. I think I've gotta have several million in insurance. I had a thing like this once b4 I drove a semi just to see what it'd be like. I had a ford E250 cargo van and I hauled things in the van. No trailer. But I know just for the insurance for that set up was a couple hundred a month

truckinman
09-04-12, 12:44 PM
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Now that I wouldn't mind! Lol.

truckinman
09-04-12, 12:44 PM
I raise your raise with the Marauder!!


I can't pull a goose neck trailer with a marauder, brandon. Sorry. Lol

CadillacLuke24
09-04-12, 03:38 PM
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That is EXACTLY what I was thinking :D

1percenter
09-06-12, 07:25 PM
haha, i had a powerstroke for many years never had a problem, so torque!!

Aron9000
09-07-12, 05:25 AM
Well I'm going to be the devil's advocate here and recommend a Chevy or GMC with the Duramax diesel/allison automatic. My uncle has a 2005ish Chevy with 250k miles on it, its pulled a 5-15,000lb trailer over the mountains of east TN, SW VA, WV, KY, PA, etc for about 2/3rds of those miles. That truck has been a very reliable workhorse for him. He runs a boneyard for big class 8 semi's, even running old diesel out of the tanks of those trucks he's had ZERO problems(he changed the fuel filter like a monk prays though).

Just saying I've read some really awesome reviews about the 2011+ GMC/Chevy trucks. They got all new frames/suspension/brakes and a revised engine/trans, basically everything under the skin was reworked. Says that while they aren't the prettiest or most luxurious trucks, they are the best
best trucks when you hook a trailer to them, especially a REALLY heavy 20,000lb trailer, they just simply outperform all the other heavy duty trucks in any sort of subjective/objective handling tests, they stop better, they pull harder/accelerate better, and get the best gas mileage.

truckinman
09-10-12, 02:43 PM
But would all the DOT stuff then stick you with electronic logs (or even paper logs), CSA 2010 and all that other BS the truckers are always complaining about? (I listen to trucking radio on XM fairly religiously lol).

Been doing LOTS of homework on this topic since I made this thread. it's recommended to get your truck licensed for 36k lbs just to be safe. But you can go for 26. Paper logs are the way to go in this biz even more so than semi truck driving. As apposed to E logs that is. I've decided to Not buy brand new to. Being new into it, I'll buy a early 2000 dodge or ford dually. Def gonna be crew cab so I can easily climb into the back seat to go to bed. I like the cummins but am scared of it's tranny issues. I love the powerstroke but it's so tightly packed into the engine bay it's not easy to work on.

If I buy a powerstroke, however, it will either be a 98-2002 that way I can have the very reliable 7.3 that ive got several friends who have between 250k-500k nearly trouble free miles. If I get a 2003-2007 6.0 I'm gonna make sure to get it under 100k miles. But from what I've been reading, in no way shape or form is it a good idea to buy 2008-2010 6.4 power stroke.

Duramax I'm reading that parts are much higher priced than the other two. And from what but it does seem to get good mpg which is a big factor considering most of the time I won't have a back haul so will be wasting my fuel driving back. Which is another reason I don't want a brand new truck payment when I could get a reliable older truck for 17k with around 100-150k miles.

Then if I make money at it, I'm going to go ahead and buy a wedge trailer and haul cars. Maybe upgrade my truck too. But car haulers get paid quite q bit more than RV haulers and they are much easier to find back hauls.

Another reason I'm considering the dodge, is it's back seat. I could take out the butt section of the seat and there is a hard cargo plate that unfolds to lay out flat over the whole floor. Make a good place for maybe a soft foam mattress topper and sleeping bag. That would give me more room than just using that narrow bench seat.

I didn't even know the terminology for this kinda trucking b4 I did my homework. Lol. It's called hot shot trucking. The term initially came from those type of drivers in the oil fields of Texas. Which, btw, is one of the best paying gigs you can get as a "hot shot trucker". Makes me think we should move to TX. Lol. Chrissy already said if I felt the need to, she would support it. But I hate TX. Not gonna lie. Lol. But if it could mean a great living doing this kinda work, it just may be worth looking into.

But far as pulling RVs go, all you need to start is a company to sign on with, a weight certified plate for your truck by DOT (I.e. The 26k or 36k certification)...and of course a truck. Preferably a full ton dually. If you have a CDL as I do (class A), you get paid more bc you are allowed to pull 36ft and larger RVs.

Of course, I think it goes with out saying, but if you get so much as a scratch on one of the RVs you're pulling, expect a minimum of 1-2k coming off your pay.

anyways, I'm still reading up a LOT. I'm getting most my info from a site called www.thetruckersreport.com And look for the hot shot section.

truckinman
09-10-12, 02:47 PM
Oh also, only since earlier this year it is ok to legally sleep in your truck instead of paying for a hotel every night. Thankfully. Lol. Id hate to pay for a hotel every night. But you've gotta log it as "off duty". Not "sleeper berth" like semi truck drivers bc DOT doesn't consider the back seat of a 1 ton, adequate sleeping quarters. Just FYI

CadillacLuke24
09-10-12, 03:41 PM
Good idea on deciding to go with an older truck. That will save you some dough.

Far as trucks go, I've generally heard good about all. The only bad I've heard is that Cummins are underpowered. One of my buddies had the chance to pull the exact same load with a Duramax and a Cummins for ajob he used to have, and he said the bone stock Duramax schooled a souped up Cummins. But that could be the 2 extra cylinders.

Good luck! :D

truckinman
09-10-12, 03:53 PM
Good idea on deciding to go with an older truck. That will save you some dough.

Far as trucks go, I've generally heard good about all. The only bad I've heard is that Cummins are underpowered. One of my buddies had the chance to pull the exact same load with a Duramax and a Cummins for ajob he used to have, and he said the bone stock Duramax schooled a souped up Cummins. But that could be the 2 extra cylinders.

Good luck! :D

Thanks! Yea the fact the cummins is working with 2 fewer cylinders hurts it. But being a straight 6 makes it the easiest and cheapest to work on also. Benefits and draw backs to each. Really what I'm looking for most is best MPG and most reliable. And I am going the 4x4 route. I can not buy a 2wd truck even tho it'd mean a little better mpg. Lol. I like to be prepared for anything. And having 4wd helps that cause. Lol.

CadillacLuke24
09-11-12, 03:21 AM
For sure! 4wd will definitely help, 'specially in the wintertime. I hope you find something that will work. This whole start your own hauling thing is badass!