: What happened to ventilated seats?



hej
08-07-12, 07:46 AM
When I first spotted the ATS at the local auto show, I asked about it having cooled/ventilated seats. The lady doing the demo said that it would indeed have them. I know this isn't my imagination, because I can find numerous pictures of the center stack with a button for ventilated seats. Here's an example. (http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Components/Slideshows/_production/ss-111116--la-autoshow/ss-111118-la-autoshow-001.jpg) (linked because the forum software won't let me attach the file). The buttons are plainly visible in the bottom of the stack, with a fan-and-seat icon.

Now, however, ventilated seats are not mentioned in the brochure, the button is obviously not on the console in any reviews I see. The feature appears to have been removed. Are there any GM insiders here that know why the feature was removed, and if it might be coming back with the 2014 MY of the ATS? This feature is kind of a big deal to me.

Cadillac Tony
08-07-12, 09:20 AM
That photo is the '13 SRX dash with CUE. To my knowledge, ventilated seats were never planned for the ATS due to weight and pricing considerations.

It was also never mentioned during our pre-training, so the auto show lady probably got it confused with the CTS.

ddawson
08-07-12, 11:24 AM
This is a very big deal. Now, I'm thinking of going with the XTS. The ventilated front seats, are hard to give up, after having them on my CTS. I'm glad this was brought to the attention of the readers. Always something else to think about. It never ends.

AtlantaGuy00
08-07-12, 12:22 PM
That's why it's good to research these things in advance. It's a big purchase and you have to make sure you're getting exactly what you want. I'm glad Cadillac is releasing the specs. so far in advance as to allow us time to study the car.

ddawson
08-07-12, 01:10 PM
In addition to the absent of ventilated front seats, we are also not getting the reconfigurable gauge cluster display. This is in comparison to the XTS. Now I have a headache.

Cadillac Tony
08-07-12, 01:38 PM
While the fully reconfigurable digital dash in the XTS is pretty cool, the ATS still has a large digital screen in the bottom of the cluster. There are 3 fields you can customize to display tire info, fuel, battery, trip, Nav data, Bluetooth, Pandora and more.

ddawson
08-07-12, 01:54 PM
Thanks Tony. That information has made my headache subside somewhat.

Cadillac Tony
08-07-12, 02:44 PM
Here's a photo I took at the training session:

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=93939

ddawson
08-07-12, 03:23 PM
After some research, it seems the ATS does have heated front seats.

AtlantaGuy00
08-07-12, 04:57 PM
Heated seats and heated steering wheel are part of the "cold weather" package, but I'm not sure about ventalated seats. And, A/C seats are different from "ventalated" seats. A/C seats, such as in the DTS (to which we still morn the loss) used the cars A/C system to actively cool the seats. Actually, while the seats do get cold, somehow it's too spotty to work as it should.. And "ventalated" seats use a fan to circulate air through the perforated leather. I don't think the ATS has either but I could be wrong.

hej
08-07-12, 07:59 PM
This thread is sad. Seems like nearly every feature that had me excited for the ATS's arrival is turning out not to be available. Which I don't really get, considering a loaded up ATS is well over $50k.

LS3 MN6
08-07-12, 08:31 PM
I don't think the ATS ever had Vent seats.

marktanner
08-07-12, 08:45 PM
No, and neither does the competition. Not available in the BMW 3 series or the Audi A4 either. The leather is perforated for passive ventilation, but not the vinyl.

CaddyFanFL
08-07-12, 10:25 PM
This is a very big deal. Now, I'm thinking of going with the XTS.

Ha, I knew it!:cool:

Obviously, there ARE other potential ATS-buyers who are comparing/considering the XTS as well.

And I was told thought nobody considering an ATS would even look at the XTS in the first place..

AtlantaGuy00
08-07-12, 11:32 PM
I'm planning on purchasing an ATS, but only because my DTS is in excellent condition and I'm keeping it. Otherwise it would be an XTS for me. And a word to the wise NEVER use paste leather conditioner with perforated leather. It almost ruined the drivers seat in my DTS....

thebigjimsho
08-08-12, 01:25 PM
Ha, I knew it!:cool:

Obviously, there ARE other potential ATS-buyers who are comparing/considering the XTS as well.

And I was told thought nobody considering an ATS would even look at the XTS in the first place..

OK, so there others as weird as you. Congratulations...

thebigjimsho
08-08-12, 01:26 PM
This thread is sad. Seems like nearly every feature that had me excited for the ATS's arrival is turning out not to be available. Which I don't really get, considering a loaded up ATS is well over $50k.

This thread is sad. And you started it.

CaddyFanFL
08-08-12, 02:26 PM
OK, so there others as weird as you. Congratulations...

Yup. Maybe more than you think..:thumbsup:

HansK
08-08-12, 02:58 PM
This thread is sad. Seems like nearly every feature that had me excited for the ATS's arrival is turning out not to be available. Which I don't really get, considering a loaded up ATS is well over $50k.

Wait so the removal of ventilated seats and the full digital cluster (which were never listed as features) is a deal breaker for this car? Seems pretty petty in the grand scheme of what the ATS offers.

The Tony Show
08-08-12, 03:20 PM
How can they "remove" something that was never there? That's like complaining that they removed the V8 or the wings.

:shifty

TheCaptain
08-08-12, 03:23 PM
Maybe he means more along the lines of, "this is a Cadillac, it should have ventilated seats (on some trim level)".

I know i was hoping for them...

hueterm
08-08-12, 03:36 PM
How can they "remove" something that was never there? That's like complaining that they removed the V8 or the wings.

:shifty

Or the merlettes...

thebigjimsho
08-08-12, 04:37 PM
Maybe he means more along the lines of, "this is a Cadillac, it should have ventilated seats (on some trim level)".

I know i was hoping for them...

I would like them, too. But a deal breaker?

ddawson
08-08-12, 05:13 PM
Consider this, would you rather have a heated steering wheel or ventilated seats? Of course ventilated seats. That was a terrible decision.

bmw2caddy
08-08-12, 05:16 PM
^
Definitely agree with that!

ddawson
08-08-12, 05:25 PM
The absent of, might not be a deal breaker but it has given me a headache. I can just imagine all of the 97 degree plus days next summer. I'm sitting in a 52 thousand dollar plus automobile, with HOT front seats, but a HEATED steering wheel.I'm going to take two aspirin.

The Tony Show
08-08-12, 05:45 PM
The absent of, might not be a deal breaker but it has given me a headache. I can just imagine all of the 97 degrees plus days next summer. I'm sitting in a 52 thousand dollar plus automobile, with HOT front seats, but a HEATED steering wheel.I'm going to take two aspirin.

Hundreds of thousands of 3 series owners manage, and they don't even have remote start to cool off the interior before getting in like the ATS does.

ddawson
08-08-12, 05:58 PM
That may be so. I have an 08 CTS with ventilated front seats. I don't care about what BMW drivers have. You don't miss what you never had. I'm talking Cadillac.

ddawson
08-08-12, 06:38 PM
It was 114 degrees in Phoenix today. Imagine that.

HansK
08-08-12, 07:37 PM
Who knows, maybe it was a trade for better seat comfort since the CTS seats seem to be so hated.

The Tony Show
08-08-12, 08:02 PM
That may be so. I have an 08 CTS with ventilated front seats. I don't care about what BMW drivers have. You don't miss what you never had. I'm talking Cadillac.

Free OnStar app on your smartphone lets you start the car 10 minutes before you get in it from any distance, pre-cooling the interior and seats (since the air can blow right on them with the car empty).

Just a thought.

HansK
08-08-12, 08:09 PM
Free OnStar app on your smartphone lets you start the car 10 minutes before you get in it from any distance, pre-cooling the interior and seats (since the air can blow right on them with the car empty).

Just a thought.

It's nice for cooling the car off but ventilated seats make such a difference while driving, so I can understand the desire for them.
On another note, do many of you guys keep onstar? I never saw it being worth the money once it expired. I could see certain scenarios like for people who drive on remote roads frequently, but for normal city and highway driving it just didn't seem to be a valuable feature.

ddawson
08-08-12, 09:08 PM
[QUOTE=HansK;3051391]Who knows, maybe it was a trade for better seat comfort since the CTS seats seem to be so hated.[/QUOTE

The CTS owners that complained about the seats, were the one's that didn't have ventilated front seats.

JimmyH
08-08-12, 11:26 PM
http://www.cooleywire.com/jimmyh/pics/2012/atsfan.jpg

The Tony Show
08-08-12, 11:28 PM
Lol @ Jimmy.

JimmyH
08-08-12, 11:30 PM
Wheelwrap sold separately.

HansK
08-09-12, 10:21 AM
The CTS owners that complained about the seats, were the one's that didn't have ventilated front seats.

Ah, gotcha. Never rode in one w/o them to feel the difference.

The Tony Show
08-09-12, 10:24 AM
On another note, do many of you guys keep onstar? I never saw it being worth the money once it expired. I could see certain scenarios like for people who drive on remote roads frequently, but for normal city and highway driving it just didn't seem to be a valuable feature.

I kept it for the entire time I had my CTS-V, and that was before a lot of the current new features became available.

The appeal to me was pulling codes if they popped up while driving and automatic crash notification, but now that you can remote start the car and check your tires/oil/fuel right from your smartphone I would definitely keep it if I bought a 2012 or newer model.

JimmyH
08-09-12, 05:08 PM
I would keep it if you got everything for $10/mo. $25 is just a little too much for me to swallow. $50 considering we have two cars.

TheCaptain
08-10-12, 07:54 PM
I'm in my third year of OnStar with my SRX. I had it on for three years before with my Cobalt too. I haven't activated it in my 06 Impala though...

DG2
08-11-12, 01:40 PM
I have kept Onstar for "peace of mind". My 17 year old now uses my STS and I do feel good knowing should she get a flat tire or lost Onstar is there to help. Also , fir the family car same thing and I love the directions and connection feature. While driving you can hit Onstsr give the rep the address or bam of business and they send the directions right to navigation without stopping. That's pretty cool

hej
08-13-12, 11:26 PM
No, and neither does the competition. Not available in the BMW 3 series or the Audi A4 either. The leather is perforated for passive ventilation, but not the vinyl.

I don't really take it as an excuse that 'neither does the competition', when Kia can manage to put ventilated seats in their $27k Optima. Also, Lexus IS does have ventilated seats.

hej
08-13-12, 11:36 PM
Wait so the removal of ventilated seats and the full digital cluster (which were never listed as features) is a deal breaker for this car? Seems pretty petty in the grand scheme of what the ATS offers.

I had pretty much resolved a while ago that my next car would need to have AWD & cooled/ventilated seats. Combined with the seats, the digital cluster*, MRC, and the rest of CUE are what had me excited about this car. You can't get MRC with AWD, which leaves the rest of CUE as the only point of interest for me. And it isn't one that justifies buying a new car when my 330i is working just fine and has everything else this car offers (except for the payment).

*yeah I know it was never "listed". I had concluded it was going to be offered based on videos I had seen.

thebigjimsho
08-14-12, 08:35 AM
I had it for awhile in my V1 and still have it for my V2. But, on my V1, it was an analog system and they had a digital update that I never retrofitted. So I let it go. I ended up wrecking my V at midnight in the middle of nowhere West Virginia. My accident was light as I missed a deer, sideswiped a median barrier and was able to pull over in the breakdown lane.

Even though the hit was light, I was still in shock and it took me a few moments to get my compsure and call 911. I then had to walk back to the last mile marker to give my location. If it was a bad accident? I would've had to wait for another driver to happen to notice and care enough to help.

To me, OnStar is well worth it...

ddawson
08-14-12, 10:29 AM
I don't know how we got on the subject of "On Star". This thread is about "ventilated seats."

thebigjimsho
08-14-12, 10:36 AM
If you read the thread, you'll know...

HansK
08-14-12, 01:00 PM
I don't know how we got on the subject of "On Star". This thread is about "ventilated seats."

I derailed it because we established the seats aren't an option and that it makes us all sad.

ddawson
08-14-12, 01:24 PM
I derailed it because we established the seats aren't an option and that it makes us all sad.Very good answer. For me it may be a deal changer. The XTS is starting to look good.

The Tony Show
08-14-12, 02:52 PM
I don't really take it as an excuse that 'neither does the competition', when Kia can manage to put ventilated seats in their $27k Optima.

Do I really need to explain why Kia can put ventilated seats in an econobox that costs less than a Cadillac?

Some people will never be happy. One thread has people bitching that Cadillac forces you to buy too many options you don't want by bundling them in packages, while in another thread people are griping that the car doesn't offer every feature known to modern man as standard equipment. I don't envy the choices carmakers have:

-Put it all in there and people moan that the base price is too high.

-Offer a wide range of packages from stripped model with only the bare necessities to fully loaded and people bitch that they have to pay extra for things they think should be standard.

-Make it a la carte and people complain it's too complicated to order.

JimmyH
08-14-12, 03:19 PM
Cadillac market research has already determined that fat people will not be buying the ATS. Hence, no need for ventilated seats since skinny people don't sweat enough to require them.

HansK
08-14-12, 03:46 PM
Cadillac market research has already determined that fat people will not be buying the ATS. Hence, no need for ventilated seats since skinny people don't sweat enough to require them.

I would cry about how that statement makes me feel, but my heart can't handle the strain

thebigjimsho
08-15-12, 10:51 AM
I'm fat. And I want an ATS...

EnvoyBu
08-16-12, 02:00 AM
I'm fat as well, and I will be buying an ATS as well...

Scratch that... I'm "fluffy", and anyone who appreciates Gabriel Iglesias will understand what I said. I'm not "DAYUM" yet. :D

DG2
08-16-12, 05:52 AM
I have them in both my STS and Escalade and really find them a marginal benefit at best. When the interior of the car is really hot they do nothing, the interior has to be rather cold for you to start feeling cool. All in all I give them a Larry David rating of "eh"......

JimmyH
08-16-12, 02:27 PM
The other issue to consider is the fact that they add a degree of hardness to the seats. I didn't think it was too bad with the Recaros. But the seats I had in my CTS4 I did not enjoy.

HansK
08-16-12, 02:51 PM
I don't see myself buying an ATS until the hardtop power convertible V comes out, so I have between a few years and infinity to let them get ventilated seats in it.

thebigjimsho
08-17-12, 07:16 AM
I'm fat as well, and I will be buying an ATS as well...

Scratch that... I'm "fluffy", and anyone who appreciates Gabriel Iglesias will understand what I said. I'm not "DAYUM" yet. :D

A porn star once told me I was fluffy. I did not know how to take that.

2004ctsv
08-17-12, 05:19 PM
Someone bring some cheese to go with all the whine in this thread

Jinx
08-17-12, 05:28 PM
Can't have cheese. Cheese must be kept cool.

JimmyH
08-17-12, 09:00 PM
I love cheese. I love wine too. But it gives me heartburn :(

DG2
08-17-12, 10:13 PM
What do you call a room full of women with PMS and a yeast infection ?

A wine and cheese party!!

Sorry , couldn't resist that old joke with all the wine cheese talk.

JimmyH
08-17-12, 10:16 PM
Something about the ATS has been turning me off lately. Maybe it's all the technology. Maybe it's because I am tired of spending money on new cars. Maybe it's this thread.

DG2
08-17-12, 11:20 PM
Something about the ATS has been turning me off lately. Maybe it's all the technology. Maybe it's because I am tired of spending money on new cars. Maybe it's this thread.

Nah, couldn't be the technology. Lol

Fraggy
08-18-12, 11:19 AM
A porn star once told me I was fluffy. I did not know how to take that.

Fluffy? Or fluffer? Lol

thebigjimsho
08-18-12, 03:04 PM
hmm...

EnvoyBu
08-19-12, 04:25 AM
Fluffy like Gabriel Iglesias? Or DAYUM?

LS3 MN6
08-19-12, 07:49 PM
Something about the ATS has been turning me off lately. Maybe it's all the technology. Maybe it's because I am tired of spending money on new cars. Maybe it's this thread.

All of the Above?

jgdav06
08-28-12, 11:59 AM
Check out this photo taken from the wikipedia page for the ATS. It's obviously not the new SRX or XTS center stack, or even the center stack of the future CTS seen in spy shots. It's definately the ATS interior with buttons for ventilated seats, so what gives now? it was apparantly thought of and then abandoned. 96679

JimmyH
08-28-12, 01:56 PM
that's a preproduction interior. probably the auto show mule. it's likely half of all those buttons don't even work.

jgdav06
08-28-12, 03:29 PM
yeah i assume that, but why tease us? lol

The Tony Show
08-28-12, 03:49 PM
that's a preproduction interior. probably the auto show mule. it's likely half of all those buttons don't even work.

Yep. Probably just borrowed a CUE faceplate from an XTS, figuring no one would notice one teeny icon out of place.

JimmyH
08-28-12, 03:58 PM
apparently, people are noticing those out of place icons. they better pay attention to that next time.

jgdav06
08-28-12, 06:10 PM
such is life i suppose, maybe it'll be a welcomed addition down the road.

bmw2caddy
08-28-12, 09:05 PM
such is life i suppose, maybe it'll be a welcomed addition down the road.

I can definitely see that happening

CaddyFanFL
08-28-12, 11:12 PM
such is life i suppose, maybe it'll be a welcomed addition down the road.

That would be great! Just because BMW doesn't have it on the 3-series doesn't mean Cadillac is not allowed to offer it on the ATS. The ultimate goal should be "better than" instead of "almost as good as" or "as good as".

thebigjimsho
08-29-12, 08:57 AM
Weight. Better than.

concorso
08-29-12, 09:45 AM
All of the Above?I can understand a little of what he means. I really have no use for all this new technology. I do nothing but drive when Im driving. I dont need the car to tell me theres someone in the next lane. I dont even listen to music or talk. Id prefer the powertrain was as new as possible while alot of the interior tech could be deleted. I just dont want a Camaro. ;)

concorso
08-29-12, 09:47 AM
That would be great! Just because BMW doesn't have it on the 3-series doesn't mean Cadillac is not allowed to offer it on the ATS. The ultimate goal should be "better than" instead of "almost as good as" or "as good as".'As good as' makes the most sense. It can beat it in certain areas, but you also have to accept itll lose out to it in some areas. Otherwise, theyll have to charge more for the car, or make less money on the car, neither of which makes any sense.

JimmyH
08-29-12, 01:01 PM
I just dont want a Camaro. ;)

easy now

JimmyH
08-29-12, 01:02 PM
I just dont want a Camaro. ;)

easy now

CaddyFanFL
08-29-12, 01:30 PM
'As good as' makes the most sense. It can beat it in certain areas, but you also have to accept itll lose out to it in some areas. Otherwise, theyll have to charge more for the car, or make less money on the car, neither of which makes any sense.

I was thinking about offering basically all the options (optional, of course) a fully loaded 3-series would have available - like sunshades for the rear-windows, heated rear-seats, 13-speaker-system and some other minor gimmicks (top-view camera, park assist, automatic high beams). Add ventilated seats, and you have the best in class out there. For an additional $3K, that could all be offered on the ATS. The car would still be a few thousand $$ cheaper than the fully loaded Bimmer BUT would be better equipped by offering features the BMW lacks.

Now, potential buyers would ask "why should I get the expensive BMW although the Caddy has more to offer" and not "why shouldn't I get the Bimmer instead?".

It's not that the ATS would desperately need these features - but it would help against the argument "why not get a BMW instead"..

HansK
09-04-12, 06:21 PM
So interestingly enough, my wife got a ride in an ATS last weekend from a friend of a friend who was doing a technology review of it. She said the buttons for ventilated seats were definitely there. Unfortunately she couldn't tell me if the seats were perforated of it the button even did anything. I figured it would be an actual production model if a review was being done (I think she said he was testing the voice command systems) instead of a mule.

JimmyH
09-04-12, 06:31 PM
Cadillac must have seen this thread.

hej
09-05-12, 02:14 PM
Cadillac must have seen this thread.

If that's all it takes, we need a six page thread griping about the lack of reconfigurable cluster right away.

CaddyFanFL
09-05-12, 02:33 PM
If that's all it takes, we need a six page thread griping about the lack of reconfigurable cluster right away.

I'm in!:bighead:

Cadillac Tony
09-05-12, 07:41 PM
The XTS also has buttons on the center stack for "back only" on the heated seats (they can be seen if you look at the control panel in just the right light), but the feature itself is not in the car and the icons don't illuminate.

Seems to me like the capacitive touch panel in CUE equipped cars is universal and shared between models, but the icons that light up and respond to touch are only the ones that correspond to the features that particular model is equipped with.

JimmyH
09-05-12, 07:43 PM
Buick Enclave is the same way. It has the buttons for back only, but they don't do anything.

concorso
09-10-12, 05:58 PM
easy nowThat post was just for you. :) I really do like the Camaros...just dont tell Jimmy.

JimmyH
09-10-12, 06:11 PM
Believe me, the Camaro is not without its faults. Don't even get me started on the clutch.