: Cadillac Paint Questions



AtlantaGuy00
08-02-12, 04:30 PM
While I'm not sure what color is my favorite until I see them in person, I'm wondering about the quality of the paint that Cadillac has already been using on the CTS' and they will also use on the ATS.

For example are the Radiant Silver Metallic, Thunder Gray ChromaFlair or the Crystal Red Tintcoat durable colors over the life of the car? I know that some years ago, silvers, reds and gray colors tended to fade or even crack over time.

Is this still the case with modern paint? I'm pretty meticulous with detailing and waxinig, but the car will be parked in the blistering Georgia sun all year long.

Does anyone have any insignt into what I can expect from these colors and if they're more prone to deterioration than other colors?

ddawson
08-02-12, 05:11 PM
I have a 08 Thunder Gray CTS and no, it doesn't fade.

AtlantaGuy00
08-02-12, 05:58 PM
That's what I thought. I don't see many Cadillacs with dingy paint unless they are very, very old! Thanks!

M5eater
08-03-12, 09:58 AM
Stone chips will be your major concern. Otherwise GM uses quality ppg paint and a ceramic clear, the same stuff on corvette's. it's not the best in the industry, but it will last as long as you can take care of it.

AtlantaGuy00
08-03-12, 10:35 AM
I've seen some Lexus' with a clear wrap on the front end of the cars to protect them from stones. Do those work to protect the car from stone chips? The hood and front bumper of my Black Raven DTS almost needs to be repainted due to road rash, but it's the long haul car and the ATS won't be.

thebigjimsho
08-03-12, 10:48 AM
Yes! Get clear bras for any car you care about. And get a garage, even if it's just a temp...

AtlantaGuy00
08-03-12, 11:09 AM
Where do you get a clear bra for the car? Maybe I should have the DTS painted and one installed on it as the front of the car is bad with road rash.

Both will be garaged evenings and weekends, but unfortunately my office has an outdoor open parking lot w/o even trees for shade and it will bake in the 8 hrs. during the hottest part of the day....

M5eater
08-03-12, 11:13 AM
They work, certinally. It depends on whether you want to put up with the way the look when applied to the car however. Some people don't mind it. Other people (like myself) would rather not use them. The black car was slightly pitted in the clear(only noticeable with a sun gun and 3" away)and there were only a few acutal down to metal chips when it was 9500 miles old. So far the blue car has faired much better, and I'd say if you're super careful or don't DD, then so far it's starting to look like they've worked out a lot of the soft qualities of this water based paint.

HansK
08-03-12, 11:45 AM
I hate the look of the clear bra, I would rather repair the chips than have that bra on there.

M5eater
08-03-12, 11:58 AM
I hate the look of the clear bra, I would rather repair the chips than have that bra on there.

seemless jobs are probably pretty good, but so far I've only seen the pre-cut kits (which look awful) and a good seemless job will set you back 2-3 grand. So then what's the point? As much as I'm a detail nerd, the CTS-V isn't a 250K Ferrari. $2-3K will repaint the front-end every 10 years if I want.

AtlantaGuy00
08-03-12, 12:07 PM
Wow they're that expensive? Yes I do a lot of rural driving, which is where I pick up most of the sand, rocks and debris that pit the front end of the car. However, I also live in metro Atlanta and it’s always just a matter of time until something nasty comes off of the road or a truck in front of me and has the car in the shop getting painted anyway…. So for me the clear bra would be an exercise in futility since it’s inevitable that I’m going to be hit by a an old muffler or part of another car on I-285 anyway!

M5eater
08-03-12, 12:20 PM
Wow they're that expensive? Yes I do a lot of rural driving, which is where I pick up most of the sand, rocks and debris that pit the front end of the car. However, I also live in metro Atlanta and it’s always just a matter of time until something nasty comes off of the road or a truck in front of me and has the car in the shop getting painted anyway…. So for me the clear bra would be an exercise in futility since it’s inevitable that I’m going to be hit by a an old muffler or part of another car on I-285 anyway!

a quality seemeless front fenders/hood/bumper/ side view mirros is a couple of grand, yes.

The pre-cut kits are much cheaper, and usually the install is worse as well. You may have to deal with streach marks or very small bubbles/ having 1/4" gap all long the edges, ect.

JimmyH
08-03-12, 02:10 PM
Clear bras, ack. They make the front of your car look faded after they are about a year old. I have 33000 miles on my Camaro (over Chicago's lousy roads), and I don't even have a chip yet. GM uses good paint. Japanese cars on the other hand, it's like crayon. I put 185000 on my Maxima and it looked like it had acne. Then again, that was over 10 years ago, their paint might be better now.

M5eater
08-03-12, 02:29 PM
Clear bras, ack. They make the front of your car look faded after they are about a year old. I have 33000 miles on my Camaro (over Chicago's lousy roads), and I don't even have a chip yet. GM uses good paint. Japanese cars on the other hand, it's like crayon. I put 185000 on my Maxima and it looked like it had acne. Then again, that was over 10 years ago, their paint might be better now.

Teenagers have acne, seems legit.

JimmyH
08-03-12, 03:06 PM
lulz

thebigjimsho
08-04-12, 12:29 AM
I hate the look of the clear bra, I would rather repair the chips than have that bra on there.

What? So the second after you get it resprayed, it starts down the ugly road to crapville again. It's perfect for what? A few months of your entire ownership?

Oh no, I can see a line! So what? It just shows you have good taste to have your car protected...

HansK
08-06-12, 01:32 PM
What? So the second after you get it resprayed, it starts down the ugly road to crapville again. It's perfect for what? A few months of your entire ownership?

Oh no, I can see a line! So what? It just shows you have good taste to have your car protected...

Absolutely. I have never gotten enough chip damage on my vehicle that I would rather have that ugly line on it. It's not like it needs to be repainted every year or something. Even with all the sanding on the roads in CO, I don't have that many problems.

thebigjimsho
08-08-12, 02:15 PM
You can call it an ugly line. I know its purpose and if I can see a line, I applaud the owner as someone who appreciates their vehicles. And doesn't just use it as an appliance...

HansK
08-08-12, 03:05 PM
You can call it an ugly line. I know its purpose and if I can see a line, I applaud the owner as someone who appreciates their vehicles. And doesn't just use it as an appliance...

I buy a car because it looks good, I am not going to do things that detract from that. Just because it's practical doesn't mean it's worth it to all.

thebigjimsho
08-08-12, 05:29 PM
True, some treat their cars as appliances...

JimmyH
08-08-12, 07:03 PM
Unless it's a collector's car, it basically is an appliance. Like all appliances, there are different levels of appreciation. Personally, I think my refrigerator rocks.

HansK
08-08-12, 08:42 PM
I guess you could put plastic on your furniture too so it stays prettier.

JimmyH
08-08-12, 10:05 PM
I have sat on plastic slip covers in the summer. Not pretty at all.

thebigjimsho
08-08-12, 11:26 PM
I guess you could put plastic on your furniture too so it stays prettier.

And I guess you could sit on piss stained sofas...

HansK
08-09-12, 11:19 AM
And I guess you could sit on piss stained sofas...

you piss on your sofa?

M5eater
08-09-12, 11:21 AM
You can call it an ugly line. I know its purpose and if I can see a line, I applaud the owner as someone who appreciates their vehicles. And doesn't just use it as an appliance...

my feelings.

You hurt them.

thebigjimsho
08-09-12, 01:10 PM
you piss on your sofa?

If I fall asleep to a scary movie...

JimmyH
08-09-12, 06:11 PM
:nevergoingtoJameshouse:

TheCaptain
08-10-12, 08:59 PM
The new 3M vinyl bra's don't yellow at all. I had a full kit put on the front of my SRX for $700 CDN. Bought a kit off ebay and had a pro install it. It does awesome! Going on year three now with no problems other than where I cut through it with a pressure washer. :facepalm:

thebigjimsho
08-14-12, 09:23 AM
Cut through with a pressure washer? I had to cut through with a cable median barrier...

















































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HansK
08-14-12, 01:56 PM
Cut through with a pressure washer? I had to cut through with a cable median barrier...

















































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After pulling my eyes away from that ugly line across your hood I noticed a little body damage.

ddawson
08-14-12, 02:28 PM
If you are ok, damn the car.

thebigjimsho
08-15-12, 11:49 AM
After pulling my eyes away from that ugly line across your hood I noticed a little body damage.

haha

You're such a g00b...

HansK
08-15-12, 01:08 PM
haha

You're such a g00b...

:duck:

AtlantaGuy00
08-16-12, 08:05 PM
Ok, I'm narrowing my color choice down and so far Thunder Gray Chromaflair is winning out over Black Raven. So now, after reading up on the color it seems as though it's an expensive pain to match if the car ever has to be repaired. I've read some postings here and that is what has been said but those postings are old and I thought I'd toss the question back out and see what answers I get. So, does anyone have experience with having scrapes, scratches, or worse repaired that they can share? Was it crazy expensive and did it look right when finished?

off1c3r
09-04-12, 04:05 AM
I have Thunder Gray Chromaflair and I have to say its my favorite color for a vehicle. I've had cars and suvs in black, blue, tan and by far this gray that they use is just amazing. I love the subtle color shift and I get nothing but compliments on my 2011 CTS AWD Performance. I have an ebony interior. I plan to get the ATS 2.0 Premium with a Thunder Gray exterior with a Light Platinum w/Jet Black interior. I love that interior, I just need to see how it meshes with the dark gray outside... as of now, thats what I am going for.

ladypro
09-04-12, 08:23 AM
i saw the xts in thunder gray and it was stunning!

ladypro
09-04-12, 08:34 AM
sorry, the color is graphite metallic

2004ctsv
09-05-12, 01:51 PM
I have the 3M on my 2004 V. With Blackfire shine you have to stand above it and look directly down to see the line on the hood.
Not many people get close enough to even see if I have plastic on the front, hood, fender tops and mirrors.
You can see a different reflectivity but you have to be looking for it.
It now has a couple smudges from stones that would have chipped paint but not too bad.