: 1997 bmw 840 csi coupe, my next purchase?



BIGREECE
06-30-12, 08:13 PM
I love the way this car looks and stands, my supra is amazingly simular in style especially in the front end and hood. I will do more
research and homework, Just wanted opinion from the gurus!

Stingroo
06-30-12, 08:19 PM
YES YES YES!

IIRC, avoid the V12s like the plague. God they're gorgeous cars, though... I saw this 850 at a car show a few months ago:

https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/553701_3841261596670_401073113_n.jpg

https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/579346_3841262076682_1338158763_n.jpg

https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/522879_3841262636696_166953371_n.jpg


The 8 series is my secret German fantasy.

BIGREECE
06-30-12, 09:51 PM
It's so beautiful, I need a moment:p. Thanks ROO!!
YES YES YES!

IIRC, avoid the V12s like the plague. God they're gorgeous cars, though... I saw this 850 at a car show a few months ago:

https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/553701_3841261596670_401073113_n.jpg

https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/579346_3841262076682_1338158763_n.jpg

https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/522879_3841262636696_166953371_n.jpg


The 8 series is my secret German fantasy.

Destroyer
06-30-12, 11:25 PM
Yasou Malaka! :)

Stingroo
06-30-12, 11:38 PM
Hakuna Matata to you too...

I think.

orconn
06-30-12, 11:52 PM
Jambo boom boom obama! And many more!

talismandave
07-01-12, 12:30 AM
Even I like that!

Playdrv4me
07-01-12, 01:22 AM
The M70 V12 is a very robust motor internally, the problem is all the duplicated garbage and computational power necessary to keep it running smoothly. You can just about double every sensor, engine computer, air filter, you name it. This is what makes them expensive to maintain.

The V8s aren't as mechanically strong, but they need fewer supporting actors to keep them running.

CadillacLuke24
07-01-12, 01:27 AM
What was wrong with the V12 BMW engines?

brandondeleo
07-01-12, 04:07 AM
I LOVE THOSE THINGS.
Freaking epic. I loved those even before I understood what the difference was between a V8 and a V12.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-01-12, 10:04 AM
What was wrong with the V12 BMW engines?

What I've found in my research is that the V12 BMWs from that era are unique, because they weren't designed as one new V12, but rather two I-6's merged together... as in they have two oil filters, two ECM's, two air filters, etc. The Mercedes V12s were different because they were designed as a V12, with only having one oil filter, one ECM, etc....

ryannel2003
07-01-12, 10:11 AM
I have never known much about these cars but I've always loved the styling. The best looking one on the planet belongs to Matt Garrett:

http://www.mcsmk8.com/91-850/BMW850.HTM

It's so 80's... yet it's so 90's. It's brilliant.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-01-12, 10:48 AM
I don't mean to rain on your parade, but it always struck me as funny as how those '90s era V12 German cars aren't all that fast by today's standards.

For example, the 1994 BMW 850Ci does 0-60 in about 6.3 seconds, which is right on par with an early Northstar STS and a little bit behind a LT1 Z28. The 600 Series Mercedes wasn't any quicker than that either, but where the difference seems to come into play with the V12s is highway acceleration, which apparently would eat a Northstar alive....

But now, the current era German V12 cars are ridiculously fast....0-60 in under 4 seconds for a lot of them...

orconn
07-01-12, 12:46 PM
^^^ Those German V-12's are even faster at emptying your wallet! A whole new league of cleptomancy!

Playdrv4me
07-01-12, 04:20 PM
What was wrong with the V12 BMW engines?

There's nothing "wrong" with the ENGINES themselves at all. Hell, one might even go so far as to call them reliable. The M70 and M73 don't suffer from the timing chain, coolant crossover, water leaks, nikasil, VANOS, upper cam and valve cover gaskets and numerous other problems that plagued the V8 over the years. Not only that, the V12s can run on REGULAR unleaded fuel!

But again, things get expensive fast when you have duplication of almost every key part that keeps the engine running. Throttle bodies, ECMs, air intakes, and on and on.

gary88
07-01-12, 04:30 PM
The are smooth though.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=UG&hl=en-GB&v=dcuxcZxl2BM

ThumperPup
07-01-12, 04:58 PM
i have always loved those 8series coups from the erly 90s

CadillacLuke24
07-01-12, 05:30 PM
What I've found in my research is that the V12 BMWs from that era are unique, because they weren't designed as one new V12, but rather two I-6's merged together... as in they have two oil filters, two ECM's, two air filters, etc. The Mercedes V12s were different because they were designed as a V12, with only having one oil filter, one ECM, etc....

THAT engineer needs to be given a blanket party :hitstick:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-01-12, 08:34 PM
The are smooth though.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=UG&hl=en-GB&v=dcuxcZxl2BM

It is a beautiful engine, but German cars always have the weirdest sounding starters.

BIGREECE
07-01-12, 08:43 PM
I would love to drive it at WOT, then I can compare it to other RWD's of that era. Even Camaros felt fast back then.

CadillacLuke24
07-01-12, 08:45 PM
The are smooth though.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=UG&hl=en-GB&v=dcuxcZxl2BM

Betcha couldn't do that with a Northstar :histeric:

orconn
07-01-12, 08:49 PM
^^^ Probably not with a Northstar, but I did the same thing with my Lamborghini 350 GT's V-12!

gary88
07-01-12, 10:02 PM
It is a beautiful engine, but German cars always have the weirdest sounding starters.

I've noticed a lot of starters for V12s sound similar.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTcyF9FAm14


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBFCbpXarHE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afvib225FL0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3p2DARtPs8

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-01-12, 11:19 PM
Betcha couldn't do that with a Northstar :histeric:


I can't confirm that, but you surely could do that with Lexus's 4.0L V8.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0fGw0kvAzs&feature=related

Aron9000
07-02-12, 02:34 AM
^ Chad I was about to post that same video on the LS400. Those 90's models are quite the machine IMO.

As for start up sounds, nothing beats the old high compression, detroit big block v8's from the 60's.

CadillacLuke24
07-02-12, 02:48 PM
Those or a 358 CID SB2 V8 :rolleyes:

cadillac kevin
07-02-12, 03:06 PM
^ Chad I was about to post that same video on the LS400. Those 90's models are quite the machine IMO.

As for start up sounds, nothing beats the old high compression, detroit big block v8's from the 60's.

Those would assuredly knock over the wine glass pyramid...