: Headlight sealing problem or no big deal?



Trapspeed
06-24-12, 05:26 PM
I've driven in my share of rain and parked in a humid garage but this is the first time I've seen this happen. Am I developing a sealing problem or no big deal? Sorry this is such a tight shot but image limitations mean I had to crop it a lot.

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thebigjimsho
06-24-12, 06:29 PM
I've seen moisture in mine. Many have. But I can't decipher that picture, sorry...

Trapspeed
06-24-12, 06:33 PM
Yeah, sorry it's tight. It's the close up of the passenger side headlight beam housing I'll try a repost from home with a better shot but if you've seen it in yours it sits better with me. I've just never noticed it.

RapidRob
06-24-12, 09:42 PM
Mine has fogged up slightly on rare occasions during highly humid conditions, but never had drops of water inside like your's appear to have. Was this due to rain, or being washed, etc. ... ?

Rob

Trapspeed
06-24-12, 10:31 PM
I apologize guys. This shot had to be cropped so bad to fit for upload from my phone it's almost useless. The drops are actually on the outside. It's the "fog" that's on the inside.

M5eater
06-25-12, 03:21 PM
The CTS has fogging issues. some condensation is normal (even though on every other luxury car it's not..)

if the condensation is extending into the part of the lense where the projector is facing though, that is abnormal and it should be replaced.

any moisture at all is ridiclious in a vehicle like this though. Evenutally it's going to stain the inside of the lense. That'll look great on my 70K car.
tyvm GM.

basicly as long as the condenstation isn't bad enough that it'll start distorting the headlamp light, it's normal. Once it is interferring though, that's a saftey problem. Time to replace.

Trapspeed
06-25-12, 06:56 PM
Thank you. This just so happened during this lovely tropical storm over the last day or so. The car was warm, the garage hot, and I think the combination of the two made it so humid it just happened. It cleared right up in about two hours but I'll certainly watch it going forward. Thanks.

ctsVeteran
11-03-12, 06:30 PM
Hi new to the forum!

I was looking up some info on this topic. Here is a V i may potentially buy but have a look at the headlights.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r17/xbora_vr6x/caddy1.jpg

Looks like the haze is in that no-no zone!

Is this something GM replaces under warranty?

1997BlackETC
11-03-12, 07:14 PM
My truck is the same way as the picture above (2012 Colorado) and three dealers have refused to do anything about it and tell me it's normal. Apparently at least in my truck there is a vent, not sure how hard it is to clear that and maybe that would take care of the problem?

M5eater
11-03-12, 07:50 PM
Hi new to the forum!

I was looking up some info on this topic. Here is a V i may potentially buy but have a look at the headlights.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r17/xbora_vr6x/caddy1.jpg

Looks like the haze is in that no-no zone!

Is this something GM replaces under warranty?

i would ask them to replace the headlamp.

As I said, fog inside of the headlamp will now distort the projector beam.

If they refuse, call customer service, this is a 'safety problem' leading toward reduced visibility.

or just buy the car. That looks like a Blue Diamond Tricoat.

Very rare color.

Trapspeed
11-03-12, 07:59 PM
I'd be willing to bet it'll go away. Go look at it again another day and see if it's gone. Or fire up the headlights and see what happens.

09SRT8
11-03-12, 08:00 PM
Mine due the same thing in humid conditions are after it rains only on the drivers side, try not to look at it !!! I'm afraid of bringing it in and then headlights not linning up right afterwards.

larry arizona
11-04-12, 08:18 AM
Hi new to the forum!

I was looking up some info on this topic. Here is a V i may potentially buy but have a look at the headlights.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r17/xbora_vr6x/caddy1.jpg

Looks like the haze is in that no-no zone!

Is this something GM replaces under warranty?

I would tell dealer to replace or NO DEAL and walk away. I am sure there tune will change.......

tkracing
11-04-12, 12:16 PM
Just got back from washing the V and saw some light seepage of water around the seal of headlights. Then came on here and saw this thread. My car is less than a year old with 5k on the ticker. To me its unacceptable. Going in to the dealer to have them replaced. :annoyed:

1997BlackETC
11-04-12, 02:06 PM
They may show you the written policy by GM that there has to be standing water in the headlights, at least that's what they told me with my truck. Never seen standing water in the headlights, just vapor after it rains.

M5eater
11-04-12, 03:27 PM
They may show you the written policy by GM that there has to be standing water in the headlights, at least that's what they told me with my truck. Never seen standing water in the headlights, just vapor after it rains.

check out the tail lights on any old grand am and you'll see standing water.

ctsVeteran
11-04-12, 04:51 PM
i would ask them to replace the headlamp.

As I said, fog inside of the headlamp will now distort the projector beam.

If they refuse, call customer service, this is a 'safety problem' leading toward reduced visibility.

or just buy the car. That looks like a Blue Diamond Tricoat.

Very rare color.

Im getting a REALLY good deal on the car. The kind of deal that doesnt really allow me to make demands of any sorts lol. But i have some original warranty + im buying the extended as well so i should be covered if it gets crazy out of hand.

Im sad to hear, but at the same time reassured this is a common occurrence.

It is Blue Diamond Tricoat. Looking at pictures seriously does not do this paint justice. It was almost a turn off when i looked at the pictures the dealer emailed me, but fell in love the moment i saw it in person.

09SRT8
11-04-12, 05:09 PM
I say get it don't let the headlight issue stop you. You'll be happy you got a V with a limited color.

ctsVeteran
11-04-12, 05:12 PM
I always say, when you buy used... you dont have a WHOLE lot to say on the color... especially when you looking at a car with production numbers at 2900' ish for North America!

But as luck would have it.. this is my second car in a row that has a rare color. Cant complain i guess lol.

Cadillac Cust Svc
11-05-12, 11:46 AM
But as luck would have it.. this is my second car in a row that has a rare color. Cant complain i guess lol.

That's wonderful, ctsVeteran! I'm excited you're getting a good deal! Did you ever get a chance to discuss your headlamp concerns with the dealer yet, just to get their input? If you have any lingering questions, email me anytime at Katie_Lucille@gmexpert.com and I'm happy to investigate on your behalf.

Best,

Katie
Cadillac Customer Service

M5eater
11-05-12, 11:55 AM
Im getting a REALLY good deal on the car. The kind of deal that doesnt really allow me to make demands of any sorts lol. But i have some original warranty + im buying the extended as well so i should be covered if it gets crazy out of hand.

Im sad to hear, but at the same time reassured this is a common occurrence.

It is Blue Diamond Tricoat. Looking at pictures seriously does not do this paint justice. It was almost a turn off when i looked at the pictures the dealer emailed me, but fell in love the moment i saw it in person.
agreed. prior to OBM BDT was my favorite color. I've only seen it on an STS, and it broke my heart to find out that I would have to hunt down an 09 optioned how I wanted. It would have been impossible suffice to say, so I ended up with a BDT..and eventually ordered a OBM.

thebigjimsho
11-05-12, 08:36 PM
That moisture won't be in the way of the beam when it's on. It rarely happens and I don't see the issue...

flatrockguy
11-05-12, 09:00 PM
I had the same issue but only with the driver side. Car had 3200 miles. Sent my salesman a picture of it and they ordered a new one and had it installed 2 day's later.Now at 5000 miles and no moisture.

ctsVeteran
11-07-12, 09:46 PM
took the car out for another test drive tonight. Dealer had it parked inside a garage. Temperature was about 28F outside. I was out driving for maybe 45 minutes.

Once i came back to the dealer i parked it back inside and started looking the car over with a friend for maybe 15 minutes.

The windows and rear glass fogged up, sun roof as well but the headlights never fogged up or anything.

Might just be luck but it was reassuring.

lowerd96
12-05-12, 07:20 PM
This happen to our headlamp assembly after the first real rain storm this year. I sent this pic to my parts buddy and he has a new assembly on order. He said there is an updated part # in the system so he was thinking it is a common problem...I was pretty bummed to see that happen on this type of car, but I am glad the fix is pretty hassle free...it's oil change time anyway, and they are going to install the "new" lugnuts to fix the clicking wheels too...3 birds with one stone!

akh
12-05-12, 08:36 PM
Is this going to be one of those items that down the road that will be to be replaced when the warranty has run out and now we are on the hook for $$$$$ repair bill ?

Trapspeed
12-05-12, 08:43 PM
Sure bet. Mine only does it after a good soaking and parking right in the garage with the residual engine heat in there.

houstonTT
12-05-12, 08:45 PM
Are any 2012 owners having this issue? Seems if there is a new part number available then maybe the issue was solved and is no longer a problem on the 12's.....

dennych
12-06-12, 04:18 AM
Are any 2012 owners having this issue? Seems if there is a new part number available then maybe the issue was solved and is no longer a problem on the 12's.....

yup, It just rained here in southern California and sure enough I saw the condensation forming inside. I love how this never happened on my $17k 2005 altima. Like many have mentioned I guess it's gonna be difficult to get it repaired

lowerd96
12-06-12, 12:59 PM
Ours is not drying up so that is why I asked to get it replaced. We've always had a little fog on the inside lower corners of the assemblies on cold nights, but that would clear up almost as soon as I would unlock the car when the lights came on. It's been like this for about two weeks and it doesn't seem like it's going to dry up anytime soon...I'll post the new part # and how the light holds up after install and a few more rain storms...

Trapspeed
12-06-12, 01:04 PM
Ours is not drying up so that is why I asked to get it replaced. We've always had a little fog on the inside lower corners of the assemblies on cold nights, but that would clear up almost as soon as I would unlock the car when the lights came on. It's been like this for about two weeks and it doesn't seem like it's going to dry up anytime soon...I'll post the new part # and how the light holds up after install and a few more rain storms...

Yeah. That's definitely a problem.

thebigjimsho
12-09-12, 07:43 PM
Yeah, that pic looks pretty bad. Mine is not that bad, not even close. We had fog last night and I got some fog inside. It's clear now...

tbreezy
12-20-12, 08:57 PM
I have a STS and was having a condensation problem then noticed that the condensation was not going away. The water is starting to pool at the bottom of the headlight. I went to the dealership and was told that the headlight assembly has to be replaced because the seal is leaking. I have a GM extended warranty and was also told this is NOT covered although I've seen several threads on this issue. I don't understand why GM will not replace if this is not a maintenance or wear and tear item. What other vehicles out there have leaky headlights and don't replace them when they are under warranty?!

thebigjimsho
12-20-12, 10:01 PM
That's your dealer being jerks. Drop it off and order them to fix it under warranty...

Trapspeed
12-21-12, 07:11 AM
Under the factory B2B, they will but if you have the GMPP that's one of the "exclusions". I have to agree it's ridiculous.

tbreezy
12-21-12, 12:59 PM
I have the GMPP and called them and they concurred with the dealership by having me pay for it! I have a 07 with 60,000 miles so the bumper to bumper is long gone. They will replace it under the B2B warranty not extended warranty. I'm pissed because they know its a manufacturer defect and won't fix it! So I am looking for guidance on how to fix it myself.

Trapspeed
12-21-12, 05:34 PM
Sadly, find the cheapest parts department you can find and swap it in the garage.

Fieldgoal00
11-19-13, 08:16 AM
Any updates on this? I have '12 V WAGON with 5,000 miles and my headlights fog up alot also. Is there a fix under warranty or not?

baabootoo
11-19-13, 09:48 AM
YES. Mine have been replaced under warranty. My guy told me that if it's over 30% covered, and won't go away in 12 hours, they replace it. Mine was almost completely covered, so they replaced it and no problem since.

RobF300
11-19-13, 10:53 AM
Any updates on this? I have '12 V WAGON with 5,000 miles and my headlights fog up alot also. Is there a fix under warranty or not?

yes it will be covered, dealer will be happy to do it too the headlight has a list cost of like $1300 or something like that

nynd
11-19-13, 11:31 AM
I believe that is normal and fine (the condensation).

RobF300
11-19-13, 09:36 PM
Mine was literally dripping wet inside, dealer swapped it out

EricVonHa
11-20-13, 11:01 PM
My headlights were fine on my V for the first 40k miles. Then, overnight or washing the car in varying sun/shade, the headlights would fog up. It was very evident on cool nights into the warm air of the morning as well.

The car had the CPO bumper to bumper warranty. The dealer pushed back on me at first. I countered as to how is it possible that GM's $70k flagship halo car had such an issue? The next visit-- they took care of replacing the headlights at no charge to me.

To the people with issues, the beams are sealed inside the housing and further protected with moisture. It will not harm the HID's whatsoever. The outer plastic shell is just that; a cosmetic shell only.

dennych
11-21-13, 09:27 PM
My headlights were fine on my V for the first 40k miles. Then, overnight or washing the car in varying sun/shade, the headlights would fog up. It was very evident on cool nights into the warm air of the morning as well.

The car had the CPO bumper to bumper warranty. The dealer pushed back on me at first. I countered as to how is it possible that GM's $70k flagship halo car had such an issue? The next visit-- they took care of replacing the headlights at no charge to me.

To the people with issues, the beams are sealed inside the housing and further protected with moisture. It will not harm the HID's whatsoever. The outer plastic shell is just that; a cosmetic shell only.

I think it's pretty clear they don't care about the gen 2 CTS-V customers anymore. They've gotten the money they need from us and are moving onto the Gen 3 CTS