: Why a pop-up nav screen?



TriTexan
05-01-12, 03:12 PM
So this is my first few days with the new V. Really like it so far, but a few things have made me go, "Huh?". The pop-up nav screen is one of them. I know the console looks cleaner, sexier, whatever without the screen fully visible, but it appears to me there is room for the screen to fit in the center stack (where the clock and two radio dials/knobs are) without having to resort to the up/down business.

My observations are pretty simple. The use of the pop-up screen places it just a little farther away from the driver than if it were lower and in the center stack. This wouldn't be an issue except that it is also a touch screen. I find that some on-screen buttons, especially those in the upper right corner of the screen, are just a bit too far of a reach.

I also find it annoying when I try to use a function that requires the full screen, I have to manually raise it (you get this message, "Nav screen must be UP to use this function" or something like that). Hey car - if you KNOW the screen needs to be up, why not raise it for me?

Further, the screen raises and lowers a bit slow - yes, it is smooth and very quiet which is impressive, but I'm impatient and waiting for that thing to go up and down just seems a waste of time.

I haven't explored the nav, traffic, and other on-screen features fully so I can't comment on those yet. So far, things seem fairly intuitive.

What is everyone else's take? Do you like or hate the pop-up screen? If so, why or why not?

allinmyhead
05-01-12, 03:33 PM
Yeah, I don't really get the whole, 'Nav screen needs to be up to use this function' thing either? I'm like, okay so raise it.

commander112
05-01-12, 03:42 PM
I agree that the system should self raise the screen if it is required for use with a feature. It is just logical to do so automatically. The screen self raises when the back up camera is on why not on other features. I am going to assume that it is because when the car first came out the nav system and pop up screen where options and they never went back to fix the programming when it became standard equipment. Since the back up camera was added later once the nav system became standard it was programmed properly from the beginning.
As for why the pop up screen in the first place, it was a marketing gimmick to give the car some "wow" factor to compete against other near luxury cars out there that had their own pop up stuff back in '08. Just how the car business is. They are always looking over each other's shoulder to see who comes up with something that catches on with consumers. Notice how every vehicle has side vents these days?

Moneypenny
05-01-12, 04:11 PM
Not a fan of the pop-up aspect. That servomotor is just something else that will break somewhere down the line and cost $1500 in labor to take apart the entire dash to replace. I wish (and maybe there is a way that I just don't know about) that I could have it just stay up all the time and not automatically lower when I turn the car off.

Cadillac Cust Svc
05-02-12, 10:40 AM
Good, candid discussion so far. Thanks for the feedback, you all! I'll keep checking back to see if others have shared their opinions as well.

Katie
Cadillac Customer Service

quikag
05-02-12, 11:07 AM
It doesn't bother me, but it does appear a bit gimmicky. I'm sure Cadillac is planning on a fixed larger Nav screen with the V3 (next gen CTS).

DangFoo
05-02-12, 11:41 AM
I traded a 2010 Cadillac SRX for the V and the NAV system was 10x better in that Crossover, which is baffling when considering my V is a newer model year and at a higher price point. The interior on the SRX is also nicer than the V overall, but I understand that the designs are focused differently, so not a big deal in the overall scheme of things.

The NAV in the V is terrible like those found in Mercedes. I now use my iPhone for my GPS needs.

FLTRI
05-02-12, 12:49 PM
I traded a 2010 Cadillac SRX for the V and the NAV system was 10x better in that Crossover...

My wife just got an SRX too. I helped her set up her Phone/Nav/Bluetooth/OnStar etc. and was shocked at how much cooler and better designed the system was than the one in the V. I'm assuming it's a generational thing rather than a model year thing. If it makes you feel any better, talk to a C6 Corvette owner. It's even more old fashioned than the V's system.

I just leave mine down most of the time, unless I know I'm going to be using the Nav. I actually wish I could set up the backup camera to stay off and leave the screen down, unless I needed it. It's more annoying than helpful anyway...

cdog533
05-02-12, 12:53 PM
Dude, the screen stays down unless needed. Which is like 5% of the time to look at traffic. I realize some yuppies can't leave their driveway without their nav system on but that's not me....

Having the screen down, where it belongs, and just the mini-window showing is a perfect solution.

pmsteinm
05-02-12, 06:45 PM
I leave mine down most of the time too because I don't use the Nav much, the screen rattles when up, and I figure it's one more thing to break.

I like it down at the track because it's out of the way, but I did notice when leaving VIR that the Full Course is actually in the Nav, which is kind of neat.

DiamondWhtV
05-02-12, 06:53 PM
I like it down at the track because it's out of the way, but I did notice when leaving VIR that the Full Course is actually in the Nav, which is kind of neat.

I can just see it now...A voice comes on while racing at the track.."Right turn ahead"...or at the finish line .. "Your destination is ahead on the right"

thebigjimsho
05-03-12, 12:25 PM
I leave it down at the track but keep it up all other times. I'm always updating the database in my head and like the nav on even when I know exactly where I am...

Captain McFunk
05-03-12, 12:27 PM
I just REALLY wish there was a clock on the screen. that is insane to me that there is no digital clock on the screen.

commander112
05-03-12, 12:35 PM
I just REALLY wish there was a clock on the screen. that is insane to me that there is no digital clock on the screen.

Ummm, why? There is a big dial clock staring you right in the face at all times. Mommy not teach you about the big hands and little hands (j/k)?

quikag
05-03-12, 12:54 PM
If it makes you feel any better, talk to a C6 Corvette owner. It's even more old fashioned than the V's system.

Yes, yes, and yes. The Nav is the C6 is a joke. It has the resolution of my old Atari system in the 80's. The V is much better than the Z, but it's still inferior to most new gen Nav systems out there.

Me thinks Cadillac is going to fix all of this with the new CUE (sp?) system they have coming out in the new Cadillacs and I'm sure the C7 will have a dramatically better interior tech package.

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I like it down at the track because it's out of the way, but I did notice when leaving VIR that the Full Course is actually in the Nav, which is kind of neat.

That is REALLY cool! I wonder if they have Motorsport Ranch here outside of Fort Worth. That would be awesome.

Nav voice lady: "brake, brake, brake, turn in at the apex in 3, 2, 1...okay feed in the throttle, full throttle, go, go go...brake, brake brake, turn-in."

That would be awesome.

thebigjimsho
05-03-12, 01:02 PM
I just REALLY wish there was a clock on the screen. that is insane to me that there is no digital clock on the screen.

Yes, we know...


lulz

DiamondWhtV
05-03-12, 01:32 PM
Has anyone ever seen when the nav pops up all you see is a full screen compass and no map of any kind? Happened to me once when fiddling with some of the dials. Can't duplicate since. Just curious.

JFJr
05-03-12, 01:35 PM
Has anyone ever seen when the nav pops up all you see is a full screen compass and no map of any kind? Happened to me once when fiddling with some of the dials. Can't duplicate since. Just curious.That happens when your road is not on the database. The system thinks you are off road. Ha haa!

Jud

thebigjimsho
05-03-12, 01:39 PM
Yeah, if you're on a new road or highway or in a big lot, it will just give you a compass. Perfectly normal...

Mike02z
05-03-12, 02:01 PM
The pop up screen does not bother me that much. The horrible voice system to work the NAV when moving does! I thought the Sync Nav was inferior but that is an amazing system compared to the voice system in the V. That plus no streaming BT audio has me scratching my head. I mean we are talking a 65-73K car here.

elphil
05-03-12, 02:09 PM
Few months ago pulled into a parking lot. Took the ticket stub and slipped it into the nav' screen slot without paying attention. When I came back to the car I couldn't find the stub. It had slipped down into the console. Instead of two bucks to get out of the lot it cost me eight dollars. Pop up screen still working fine.

litig8r187
05-03-12, 02:21 PM
Definitely not a fan of the pop up screen and the overall technology is pretty antiquated. My wife's 2011 Genesis 4.6 and my Mother-in-law's 2012 Chrysler 300C have much better systems than the Caddy. I would much prefer a good 8" screen with good touch screen controls. At least if they used a decent double DIN crap radio, I could replace it with a quality aftermarket unit like an AVIC.

One of the reasons (there were certainly more significant reasons) I didn't replace my SRT Jeep with a 2012 model was the crappy old gen technology they put in a $65K Jeep when the $25K Chrysler had their state of the art stuff.

Put in quality top of the line stuff and make it upgradable. If you cant make a decent nav system, sub out to Garmin or someone that knows what they are doing. Realize that smart phones are our links to the world and the system needs to be upgradable to keep up with the 18-24 month cycle of phone improvements.

neuronbob
05-03-12, 02:21 PM
I like the pop-up screen. I don't need to see the screen all the time. There are a few quirks in its function but overall I'm satisfied with it.

I would like it better if CUE were in it, it's far ahead of the current software.

thebigjimsho
05-03-12, 02:51 PM
The CTS came out in '07 as '08 models. I'm not surprised tech has not vastly improved. Cadillac has done it right with CUE.

Wait or STFU...

CTS-Vz
05-03-12, 04:08 PM
I like the stealth aspect of being able to raise/lower. I pretty much leave it up all the time unless I'm highway driving and keeping a watch for Smokeys. All in all I think the Nav kind of sucks...if you know where you're going but still ask for GPS for guidance half the time it takes you a much longer way.

Is there a way to update maps/interface for a '10 V?

DiamondWhtV
05-03-12, 06:40 PM
Yeah, if you're on a new road or highway or in a big lot, it will just give you a compass. Perfectly normal...

Thanks, did not know that! The only other thing I wish was the touch key board was displayed like a typing keyboard. I am so use to typing that trying to find the various letters that are in sequence is not very intuitive.

Moparman4444
05-03-12, 10:51 PM
youhave hit on a real hot for me as well. Ican't belive that Caddy did such a good job with most of the car yet droppedthe ball so badly with the radio and the nav screen.It makes no sense to me.

TriTexan
05-04-12, 12:49 AM
Dude, the screen stays down unless needed.

Um, not it doesn't. That's part of my problem - the thing SOMETIMES goes up automatically when needed (like when in reverse), and sometimes it asks you to manually raise it. I'm not some yuppie that can't drive without the nav on. But I do have people that work for me who design software and technology systems for a living, and they'd never come up with such an awkward and as someone put it, gimmicky solution as this. Apple would never design an iPhone or iPad like this. No, they do an excellent job of making things clean, intuitive, and uncomplicated. This nav screen thing is none of that. Yes, it works. And I like it in the down position most of the time. I just think there's a simpler, elegant, and more intuitive solution.

thebigjimsho
05-04-12, 11:40 AM
youhave hit on a real hot for me as well. Ican't belive that Caddy did such a good job with most of the car yet droppedthe ball so badly with the radio and the nav screen.It makes no sense to me.What was dropped about the radio? The sound is light years ahead of the V1, the XM is light years better with better reception and sound and it has USB, a hard drive, aux and Bluetooth.

The gen was started in '07. Cadillac let it be as it focused on getting the mechanicals of the V ready. Technology in '07 is trumped by '12 in everything. You are using revisionist history. The V in '08 may not have been cutting edge in tech, but it wasn't as bad as you guys claim...

BLEWBYUWIT6.2
05-04-12, 01:43 PM
the pop up screen does not bother me that much. The horrible voice system to work the nav when moving does! I thought the sync nav was inferior but that is an amazing system compared to the voice system in the v. that plus no streaming bt audio has me scratching my head. I mean we are talking a 65-73k car here.

agreed 110%...

FLTRI
05-04-12, 01:49 PM
The V in '08 may not have been cutting edge in tech, but it wasn't as bad as you guys claim...

True that.

I came out of a 2003 Lincoln, it was one of the first vehicles to have Nav and voice recognition. I wow'd friends for about 18 months when I bought it, and then technology caught up. The V's Nav is vastly better than the Lincoln ever thought of being, and my wife's SRX is better than the V. CUE will be better than all of them, and 18 months from now, someone will have something better than CUE.

That's just how technology works....

BLEWBYUWIT6.2
05-04-12, 01:57 PM
My screen is usualy up....except for when i have the music down and i can hear the screen rattel thats when i hit the button....I dont really mind the nav system to much...i really just use it to find my way out of traffic when i have to cut through diffrent neighborhoods to get where i wanna go....i think the over all fit/finish is about 8/10....but only because it dosent have streaming BT..and the system dosent understand the words "foe" "semmmm" "won"....but the laughs are priceless as grandpa tries to use the voice dial

litig8r187
05-04-12, 05:11 PM
Sorry. Nav sucks, no streaming BT, won't automatically download or store a phone book and contacts, voice recognition sucks, interface is anything but intuitive, Sat display information is dismal.

As for it being decent technology in 2008, nope. That simply is not the case.

The 2008 Jeep Grand Cherokee (actually a 2005 design) had the MYGIG which was worlds better than the Caddy's system. MyGig had a 20 GB HD, decent NAV, USB connection good voice recognition, intuitive data entry and touch screen. It was put in Chryco's lower end vehicles in 2008. Even the previous generation REC in the Chrysler's was as good or better than the Caddy system as far as nav function and voice commands.

Ford's SYNC was introduced in 2008 models. Early versions were glitchy but they worked out the software pretty quick. They were integrated with your smart phone, downloaded all your contact information, read text messages and emails, Streaming BT and USB connection, had application links with phones including Pandora Radio and Garmin navigation.

It's not really the sound quality in the Caddy that is so poor (I'm no music aficionado. I'd rather listen to the engine). That is not my issue. It's the interface and the compatibility with growing technology.

Which brings us back to the point of this thread. The problem is compounded with the "popup" design. With my 2006 SRT Charger that had the REC with uconnect (Pre MyGig), when it became too antiquated, because it was a standard double DIN install, I just swapped in a Pioneer AVIC Z110BT which worked with my steerin wheel controls, has streaming BT, down loaded all my phone book and contacts, great nav, hands free, reads virtually every music and video format out there, was able to easily add a backup camera (another thing that my 2010 Caddy is woefully missing) parking assist, links to swap information straight like navigation location from my iPhone to the head unit, seamless hard link to iPhone/iPod including charging and nice big HD and I was able to add a front camera to keep from tearing up the airdam. With the Caddy's "unique" pop up headunit, there is virtually no way to upgrade. I know Auto manufacturers don't build cars with modification in mind, but the ability to upgrade technology is something that should be considered. If you going to design system that can not be swapped out, design a system that can be upgraded.

I love my V and bought IN SPITE of the the low tech system. It does irritate me some but a quick press on the skinny pedal solves that problem.

FLTRI
05-04-12, 05:19 PM
One thing that I wish GM would do is have the ability to update the firmware. I have a Garmin Zumo 665 for my motorcycles, and about every 6 months there is a free firmware update. Just plug it into the laptop, and get the free download.

Sure would be nice if I could hook my laptop up to the USB in the car, and add/fix/update features. Seems like it would be simple enough to do. I'm no I.T. guru, but if Garmin can do it, it seems like GM could too...

JFJr
05-04-12, 05:40 PM
I suspect that the next generation CTS will have a nav system that is easy to update. We shouldn't need notebook computers, DVD's, etc., to do it. Why couldn't this be done using OnStar or some "cloud" technology while the car is running? Personally, I'm glad that Cadillac spent most of its time and money on the great engine, manual transmission, suspension and brakes in the V. Be patient, the technology will come.

Jud

RippyPartsDept
05-04-12, 05:55 PM
Do you realize how costly it would be to transmit the map updates to millions of cars? Cell phone companies don't even want to send firmware updates to android phones because of the costs associated.

It's just not financially viable.

thebigjimsho
05-05-12, 01:48 AM
one thing that i wish gm would do is have the ability to update the firmware. I have a garmin zumo 665 for my motorcycles, and about every 6 months there is a free firmware update. Just plug it into the laptop, and get the free download.

Sure would be nice if i could hook my laptop up to the usb in the car, and add/fix/update features. Seems like it would be simple enough to do. I'm no i.t. Guru, but if garmin can do it, it seems like gm could too...

cue.

marktanner
05-06-12, 04:16 PM
The NAV system was considered state of the art in 2007, especially with offering traffic integration and weather, as well as the hard drive and ability to read DVDs and DVD audio. Back then, the iPhone was just released, and Android phones weren't even available yet. Portable MP3 players were far less popular than they are now, in any form. Most people didn't have BlueTooth phones, and it was just becoming available in higher end cars. The Germans were notorious for charging a lot extra for each feature that was standard on the CTS, like XM, USB, and BT, or even the availability of an OnStar-like service. The initial reviews of the '08 CTS were very enthusiastic for the NAV system, especially compared to the German and English competition. Was it perfect? No, partly because it uses MapQuest for the routing. I noted some of the same strange routes and instructions when looking up directions on the computer. Remember, GoogleMaps was quite young then, too. Since automakers generally don't update their technology until a model is completely revised, it is not surprising that five years on, the system in the CTS series is now practically an antique. The magazine reviewers generally don't comment on it though, unlike the negative reviews of the prehistoric system in the Corvette, for instance. It also is considered way better than Ford's SYNC, which many reviewers, and apparently most consumers, can't figure out how to use. BMW's iDrive was so terrible that BMW was forced to do a mid model update to placate the critics. I personally think even their latest version is too complex for the routine tasks it is asked to perform.

Seeing what Cadillac is soon offering with CUE on the ATS and the XTS, I think it is clear that the next CTS will again have a state of the art infotainment system. It's part of the usual cycle of progress.

I think the bigger question is why these systems aren't kept more up-to-date? After all, we all update our computers, and even our smartphones, with newer or updated software. Since it's just software, it should be easy to keep these systems closer to the state of the art, as long as it's compatible with the hardware. Even if newer software would require a better processor, would that be so difficult to engineer? Laptop manufacturers do it every few months, and the prices continue to drop, so why can't the automakers? Whether it requires updated hardware, or just software, it would help keep owners of pricey cars more satisfied with their purchases, especially as a model ages. I, for one, would also be willing to pay for a software update, as we already have to do to update the maps. I bet more people would pay for updates if new features were offered, or if features were significantly upgraded. I would even consider paying for a hardware update, such as for a faster processor and/or more memory, if it was relatively easy to do, and wasn't outrageously priced.

Other manufacturers are not doing this, either. I think it would be great if Cadillac and GM took some leadership in this instance, and I bet it would lead to increased sales and profit, with minimal added cost.

TriTexan
05-06-12, 08:14 PM
Wow - lots of interesting debate here. My original question was simply about the choice of a screen that pops up using a servo motor of some sort versus a fixed mount, all other factors being equal...but everyone has really taken the discussion to the next level. Very informative banter going on and definitely beyond what I anticipated by putting the question out there!

One of the upgrades on my list is going to be to figure out how to get a parking camera in FRONT of the car as well as back, and be able to use the front facing camera to avoid hitting curbs and parking stops. My previous car also had a low front and despite being extra cautious when the car was new, eventually it got tagged...

muohio
05-06-12, 10:15 PM
The NAV system was considered state of the art in 2007, especially with offering traffic integration and weather, as well as the hard drive and ability to read DVDs and DVD audio. Back then, the iPhone was just released, and Android phones weren't even available yet. Portable MP3 players were far less popular than they are now, in any form. Most people didn't have BlueTooth phones, and it was just becoming available in higher end cars. The Germans were notorious for charging a lot extra for each feature that was standard on the CTS, like XM, USB, and BT, or even the availability of an OnStar-like service. The initial reviews of the '08 CTS were very enthusiastic for the NAV system, especially compared to the German and English competition. Was it perfect? No, partly because it uses MapQuest for the routing. I noted some of the same strange routes and instructions when looking up directions on the computer. Remember, GoogleMaps was quite young then, too. Since automakers generally don't update their technology until a model is completely revised, it is not surprising that five years on, the system in the CTS series is now practically an antique. The magazine reviewers generally don't comment on it though, unlike the negative reviews of the prehistoric system in the Corvette, for instance. It also is considered way better than Ford's SYNC, which many reviewers, and apparently most consumers, can't figure out how to use. BMW's iDrive was so terrible that BMW was forced to do a mid model update to placate the critics. I personally think even their latest version is too complex for the routine tasks it is asked to perform.

Seeing what Cadillac is soon offering with CUE on the ATS and the XTS, I think it is clear that the next CTS will again have a state of the art infotainment system. It's part of the usual cycle of progress.

I think the bigger question is why these systems aren't kept more up-to-date? After all, we all update our computers, and even our smartphones, with newer or updated software. Since it's just software, it should be easy to keep these systems closer to the state of the art, as long as it's compatible with the hardware. Even if newer software would require a better processor, would that be so difficult to engineer? Laptop manufacturers do it every few months, and the prices continue to drop, so why can't the automakers? Whether it requires updated hardware, or just software, it would help keep owners of pricey cars more satisfied with their purchases, especially as a model ages. I, for one, would also be willing to pay for a software update, as we already have to do to update the maps. I bet more people would pay for updates if new features were offered, or if features were significantly upgraded. I would even consider paying for a hardware update, such as for a faster processor and/or more memory, if it was relatively easy to do, and wasn't outrageously priced.

Other manufacturers are not doing this, either. I think it would be great if Cadillac and GM took some leadership in this instance, and I bet it would lead to increased sales and profit, with minimal added cost.

Completely agree with everything you said. The iPhone wasn't even released when I got my '08 CTS and the only comparable nav system was what Acura had in the TL. The only thing that was lacking is BT integration at the time since GM was trying to push OnStar. Having real time weather and traffic was a pretty big deal along with iPod and USB integration. Even keyless ignition was still a new concept in all but the most fancy of production cars. A lot change over half a decade and at least Cadillac has something that should be a standout in the market with the CUE.

V locity
05-07-12, 12:43 AM
I keep mine down most of the time. Try this...

At night, drive around for a while with it up. Then close it. It's like a nice soothing feeling takes over with all that light gone...

Kluch
05-07-12, 01:11 AM
I guess I'm in the minority. I think the pop-up nav screen is neat. I watch it pop-up each and every time I turn the key. I love everything about this car. Had a 2008 CTS without nav and this was such a cool upgrade for me. I'll be ready for CUE soon enough. For my purposes, the tech is fine even though it's dated.

thebigjimsho
05-07-12, 02:05 AM
I tried driving around with it down today. Id rather have it up. I like a full screen with radio info and maps running.

My only beef with our nav is an inexplicable one. Why is it the same map at night, only dimmed? A reversing map with black background and white streets would be so much easier to see and easy on the eyes...

BreakThrough
05-07-12, 02:23 AM
I had the 03 CTS, 04 CTSV, 08 CTS AWD 3.6 DI, and now the 11 V coupe. Enjoyed the prior versions of the CTS and am enjoying the current version. The tech will be updated when the platform is updated. The 2nd generation V is light years ahead in overall refinement than the 1st gen.

litig8r187
05-07-12, 02:44 AM
Hmmmmmm, iPhones went on sale in the US in mid 2007. The 3G was on sale by 2008. iPods were the largest selling personal music devise in the world by 2005. Even Chrysler did a mid cycle update of many of their entertainment systems in 2008 from their REC Navigation systems to the MyGig which did take into consideration smart phone integration.

My point is Gm in general and Cadillac in particular seem to be a bit slower to adapt to on board technology.

The CUE looks awesome and I am very excited about it. However, as mentioned above, I hope that Cadillac will take into consideration the rapid growth of technology and try and build in some degree of ability to update. Otherwise, use a "conventional" type installation for the entertainment system so it can be upgraded by those that may want to in the future.

As for the general idea of the "popup" I never drive with it up. It distracts me. Unfortunately, when it is down, it doesn't display much info and, of course, you can't use the nav. I guess that's part of my complaint. I don't like it up but I don't get enough info with it down.

thebigjimsho
05-07-12, 04:37 PM
But it takes up no forward view of the windshield...

captain slow
05-07-12, 05:24 PM
I like the idea of adding life and drama to the driving experience. Everyone who gets in my car loves the pop-up screen but the voice system is horrible. I don't like the way you search for destinations either. My 2008 and 2009 Nissan Maxima's had the best nav interface of all the cars I have owned. I also owned a 2008 and 2010 Jeep Cherokee SRT8.

Overall I like the idea of the pop-up screen just fix the glitches. If the screen needs to be up to do what I want to do put it up dont make me push the button, voice prompts need to be better, and I should be able to just say a destination and it should figure it out.

DarkStar76
05-07-12, 06:07 PM
It's annoying. The user-interface for electronics was not a strong point in my '06V, and it's not much better in my '12. I'd rather keep the screen down, but some features are only available via touchscreen. Even worse, some features that can be accessed from the controls on the dash only work when the screen is up. (like selecting an artist for some music.) We build a lot of interfaces for users where I work... had this project been dropped in our lap, the approach would probably have been to build a UI interface. Then design a touch-screen UI that can do EVERYTHING. And then design dash controls that are ALSO capable of EVERYTHING. That way, the user can decide what is most convenient.

JFJr
05-07-12, 07:44 PM
But it takes up no forward view of the windshield...Yeah, it doesn't interfere with the view. In my car the top edge of the screen doesn't raise above the backward edge of the dash. What are you guys talking about? Maybe your seats are way too low. We are talking about a high performance car, not a Buick or a Toyota, after all.

Jud

Kluch
05-07-12, 11:21 PM
I wouldn't mind getting rid of the analog clock and the 2 nobs next to it in the V, but that was all done originally because it shares the platform with the standard CTS where the nav is optional (and even the 2009 v's)

thebigjimsho
05-07-12, 11:46 PM
I think girls just like to bitch...

Nastyctsv
05-08-12, 01:51 AM
Dude, the screen stays down unless needed. Which is like 5% of the time to look at traffic. I realize some yuppies can't leave their driveway without their nav system on but that's not me....

Having the screen down, where it belongs, and just the mini-window showing is a perfect solution.

I agree with cdog......my screen stays down 90% of the time and is totally un-obtrusive. Overall I think that the layout of the cabin is clean and easy to navigate. My .02 :)

marktanner
05-08-12, 02:11 AM
I usually keep the screen up, to get all current information, especially traffic info. That said, I really love the graphics displayed when the screen is down. The NAV does work with the screen down, after setting up the destination via the touch screen or OnStar. The screen has to be up initially, but then can be lowered. You will lose the map, of course, but you will still have the voice directions and gongs. It's particularly useful late at night on the highway, where the map screen can be a bit distracting in the total darkness.

V Wagon
05-13-12, 01:29 AM
Why a pop up nav screen? Well, I had a car with CUE in it home the other night. My fiance' gets in to check it out and her first comment was "why doesn't it [the screen] go away?" She has had lasik and lights at night bother her. She likes that she can completely put the screen down in my V. Although I don't think the lack of a hide away screen will keep us from buying one of the cars I had home at some point.

thebigjimsho
05-13-12, 02:50 PM
Car with CUE?

V Wagon
05-13-12, 03:22 PM
The new Cadillac HMI, CUE. Cadillac User Experience.

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/475112_10100470715369593_17218444_45492098_4954414 5_o.jpg

CUE.

Or when I stop being sort of a smart ass, were you asking, what car would you have that would have that in it?

thebigjimsho
05-14-12, 01:29 AM
Yes.

V Wagon
05-14-12, 10:19 AM
ATS, they are wonderful little cars to drive, even in FE2 AWD form.

thebigjimsho
05-16-12, 01:02 PM
hmm...

RippyPartsDept
05-16-12, 01:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF2ayWcJfxo