: Dealers starting to receive inventory?



Cuest
04-16-12, 03:53 PM
Looks like dealers are starting to receive inventory, or is it just this particular dealer that gets lucky?

http://familydealblog.com/cadillac/lafontaine-premiere-night-2013-cadillac-xts-and-2013-cadillac-ats/

JimmyH
04-16-12, 06:11 PM
I bet they are the media mules that have been doing the auto show circuit. New Mexico show ended yesterday, and I think that's it for this year's circuit.

ddawson
04-17-12, 10:36 AM
There is a Cadillac dealer in Atlanta, Ga. that's having a showing of the XTS on Monday, April 23.

HansK
04-17-12, 11:39 AM
I think the XTS they have for show is just to look at and only the Cadillac rep is allowed to drive it. I could be wrong though, I may be thinking of a different situation.

ddawson
04-17-12, 02:53 PM
The dealer in Georgia says the XTS will be roped off.

rand49er
04-17-12, 11:10 PM
LaFontaine Cadillac is suppose to have outstanding customer service (according to ronr), and I've thought about going there for my next car.

If they let you sit in the ATS, it would be worth the 40 minute drive to see how it fits me. Hm-m ...

rand49er
04-19-12, 10:00 PM
Update: Got an invite from the LaFontaine today in the mail to come see the XTS and ATS next Tuesday evening.

I'm planning on it. Will post up pics.



EDIT: It's next THURSDAY, not Tuesday.

thebigjimsho
04-19-12, 11:13 PM
Start dieting now...

rand49er
04-20-12, 05:01 PM
At 180 lbs, I'm svelte everywhere except my butt. That's gonna have to be enough.

Cuest
04-20-12, 08:17 PM
Update: Got an invite from the LaFontaine today in the mail to come see the XTS and ATS next Tuesday evening.

I'm planning on it. Will post up pics.



EDIT: It's next THURSDAY, not Tuesday.

Looking forward to your post back.

rand49er
04-26-12, 10:12 PM
Well, finally got there about 7:30. They had valet service, lots of hor d'oeuvres, wine by the glass, an XTS, an ATS, and lots of salespersons. There was both good and bad.

The good was that I was finally able to sit in one. Perfect. It was absolutely perfect. More intimate than my V, more luxurious, and more ergonomically ideal for my 5' 9"/10", 180-lb body. The seat felt way better, and I hardly even took the time to dial it in what with all the adjustment knobs it had within reach of my left hand. Really nice fit. The seat still had downward movement as well as backward, so you taller guys need not worry. Obviously, the car had an AT, and it was cool to see paddles on the steering wheel. Guys who know me know I'm not a fan of silver cars, but whether it was the lighting, the wax job, or both, this car looked simply gorgeous.

The bad was that the photos I took show nothing new at all.

Most of the dealership personnel were already talking with other people, but a GM Proving Grounds guy engaged me in conversation. (The GMPG is about four miles south of this dealership.) He wouldn't tell me what motor the ATS-V will have (I'm not sure he knew unless he was playing it VERY close to the vest), but he did mention that the ATS has a cast iron diff ... something I didn't know before. He said the car was expected to become available with the 2.5L in August, then some time later the 3.6L would be available, then about two months later the 2.0T would come out.


Anyway, here's the car ...

http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr189/rand49er/DSC_0072-1.jpg



Short front overhang ...

http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr189/rand49er/DSC_0075-1.jpg



Sunroof had some kind of diffuser (maybe other cars have this, I just didn't know) ...

http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr189/rand49er/DSC_0074-1.jpg



The interior was fabulous. Again, the seat felt great ... absolutely perfect for my frame ...

http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr189/rand49er/DSC_0073-1.jpg



It's interesting to ponder how the ATS-V's front will look compared to this ...

http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr189/rand49er/DSC_0076-1.jpg



Got out to the valets and gave my ticket to one of them. He ran out and started up my car. The one standing next to me says, "Man, that sounds good." Just what I didn't want to hear when I'm contemplating unloading it to get an ATS-V.

ddawson
04-27-12, 10:20 AM
Thanks for the information and the pictures. They are some of the best I've seen.

Caddy Chris
04-27-12, 02:06 PM
LaFontaine Cadillac is suppose to have outstanding customer service (according to ronr), and I've thought about going there for my next car.

If they let you sit in the ATS, it would be worth the 40 minute drive to see how it fits me. Hm-m ...

Go sit in a CTS the front seat specs are almost identical except there is like 1 inch less shoulder room.

JimmyH
04-27-12, 02:10 PM
that silver does look nice. But I have had enough silver cars and that crystal red is just :drool:

Ilovecars
04-27-12, 09:58 PM
Thank you very much to rand49er for the great pics and info. I have one question though. I am not sure if the turned it on enough to show you the gauges, but it looks like one of the photos has a digital cadillac symbol in the gauge cluster. Did you also see the analog gauges that have been in all the press photos or the CUE fired up? Thanks again :)

investor74
04-27-12, 10:27 PM
Well, finally got there about 7:30. They had valet service, lots of hor d'oeuvres, wine by the glass, an XTS, an ATS, and lots of salespersons. There was both good and bad.

The good was that I was finally able to sit in one. Perfect. It was absolutely perfect. More intimate than my V, more luxurious, and more ergonomically ideal for my 5' 9"/10", 180-lb body. The seat felt way better, and I hardly even took the time to dial it in what with all the adjustment knobs it had within reach of my left hand. Really nice fit. The seat still had downward movement as well as backward, so you taller guys need not worry. Obviously, the car had an AT, and it was cool to see paddles on the steering wheel. Guys who know me know I'm not a fan of silver cars, but whether it was the lighting, the wax job, or both, this car looked simply gorgeous.

The bad was that the photos I took show nothing new at all.

Most of the dealership personnel were already talking with other people, but a GM Proving Grounds guy engaged me in conversation. (The GMPG is about four miles south of this dealership.) He wouldn't tell me what motor the ATS-V will have (I'm not sure he knew unless he was playing it VERY close to the vest), but he did mention that the ATS has a cast iron diff ... something I didn't know before. He said the car was expected to become available with the 2.5L in August, then some time later the 3.6L would be available, then about two months later the 2.0T would come out.



I love your pictures. You show the side view of the front, which is the part of the design that I love. The way the headlights curve back - no other car looks like that.

Now if I can keep my Catera glued together long enough to get one. ;)

rand49er
04-27-12, 11:00 PM
Sorry, but I wasn't looking at any one thing in particular. I should've taken a pic of the dash up close tough it was dark. As it was, I was more concentrated on the feel of the driver's seat and whether I'd like it or not plus there were people walking around it and some wanted to sit in it, too. I thought about the CUE beforehand, but it didn't seem like a demo was available. Time was short with my wife and son there; they were sports to have gone at all, but only to a point.

Looking at the car and imagining it with the 2.0T and a 6MT makes me think that that may be the hot setup leading up to the V's intro.

NHRATA01
04-30-12, 11:27 AM
Regarding the cast iron diff, I read the engineers chose it because it does not expand and contract as much with heat changes - which will help keep backlash and pinion depth stable thus resulting in less gear whine over the life of the car.

A bit disappointing that the "base" 2.5 will only be available at first. I figured the 2.0T seems to be the model that's really being pushed and getting a lot of positive media attention (and also the version I'd like). Stinks if they're really not going to be available until about the last month of '12.

Exultantvictor
04-30-12, 03:48 PM
Just saw this, there is an official announcement on the La Fontaine Facebook page that says: "Our XTS Inventory will begin arriving the 1st of June!"

blkcaddy
05-02-12, 12:38 PM
Hey if you have more pics of that car in La Fontaine we would love to see them! It's good to see some pictures that aren't enhanced by Cadillac! The car still looks great!

rand49er
05-02-12, 05:07 PM
No more pics. Sorry. Heck, I didn't even get a chance to get a glass of the wine that seemed to be so ubiquitous.

gohawks63
05-09-12, 05:57 PM
What dealership was this at? BTW, I've seen a couple of XTS' on the road already.

rand49er
05-09-12, 10:27 PM
What dealership was this at? BTW, I've seen a couple of XTS' on the road already.http://www.lafontainecadillacbuickgmc.com/?gclid=CP2cvMrV9K8CFQgDQAodISXZFQ

thebigjimsho
05-12-12, 03:05 PM
What dealership was this at? BTW, I've seen a couple of XTS' on the road already.

Not publicly owned.

AtlantaGuy00
08-06-12, 11:20 PM
It sucks that they will only be shipping the 2.5 version at first. From the press release pics of te factory I see dual exhausts and the performance or premium front end lights so they are obviously building some. Now if they would just ship them...

AtlantaGuy00
08-07-12, 05:08 PM
Last night I read on a GM discussion board (can't remember where I came across it) that they are manufacturing the 2.5 and 3.6 models for shipment now, and that both of these models will be delivered at about the same time. It's the 2.0T models that will take another month, for whatever reason.

RippyPartsDept
08-07-12, 05:22 PM
i'm pretty sure AtlantaGuy00 is right ... i seem to recall our sales guys saying basically the same thing

and they should be showing up at dealerships in the next week or two ...

bmw2caddy
08-08-12, 02:00 AM
The dealership by me, (Maryland - DC Area) said they expect to get their first around the 15th of the month.

RippyPartsDept
08-08-12, 08:46 AM
The dealership by me, (Maryland - DC Area) said they expect to get their first around the 15th of the month.
sounds about right

bmw2caddy
08-21-12, 07:25 PM
Anyone seeing these in yet or have any more info? My dealer pushed it back another couple weeks till they say they will receive their first shipment.

investor74
08-21-12, 09:35 PM
Anyone seeing these in yet or have any more info? My dealer pushed it back another couple weeks till they say they will receive their first shipment.

Hi - who do you deal with , Jim Coleman? I bought my Catera from Moore (they were in Tysons, now in Chantilly) over 16 years ago and still have it. I'm really excited about getting an ATS.

Could you let us know when you find any ATS on the dealer lots in the DC area?

Atswatcher
08-22-12, 01:22 AM
It may be a good thing if they wait till the 2.0T is ready for sale before releasing any ATSs. The 2.5L is a dog, will likely ruin the ATS name before it is out.

JimmyH
08-22-12, 12:40 PM
200 hp in a 3300 lb car is not a dog. It won't be a screamer, but it won't be slow either.

Atswatcher
08-22-12, 01:03 PM
200 hp in a 3300 lb car is not a dog. It won't be a screamer, but it won't be slow either.

This is a 3 series fighter, don't want give them any more unnecessary reason to doubt about the new Caddy, when doubts are already plenty.

JimmyH
08-22-12, 01:10 PM
"they" are going to doubt the ATS no matter what GM does to it. I said it before, I will say it again. The automotive journalists will never, ever, let another car topple the holy 3-series.

thebigjimsho
08-22-12, 04:58 PM
"they" are going to doubt the ATS no matter what GM does to it. I said it before, I will say it again. The automotive journalists will never, ever, let another car topple the holy 3-series.They already have. Where have you been?

JimmyH
08-22-12, 05:52 PM
I don't read what "they" write anymore.

From now on, I am getting all my automotive reviews from jesda.com.

thebigjimsho
08-22-12, 05:57 PM
Great, so you'll end up loving ducks and rams...

JimmyH
08-22-12, 05:59 PM
hellno. but I did like his Cruze review. the only thing his articles need is a little more spam.

thebigjimsho
08-22-12, 06:27 PM
pink slime?

JimmyH
08-22-12, 06:30 PM
that might work.

Atswatcher
08-23-12, 01:37 AM
"they" are going to doubt the ATS no matter what GM does to it. I said it before, I will say it again. The automotive journalists will never, ever, let another car topple the holy 3-series.

It has little to do with reviews people read. I have been to several BMW sponsored drives, they put C250, G25 and A4 FWD CVT transmission against 328i sport package. No one would chose those models against the 3 series, yet most of them also have no idea those models are not meant to compete with the 328i.

The legitimate 3 series competitors are C350, A4 quarttro, and G37.

RippyPartsDept
08-23-12, 09:41 AM
when BMW starts bringing the four cylinder ATS to those 'drives' we'll know that they're affraid

Atswatcher
08-23-12, 11:14 AM
when BMW starts bringing the four cylinder ATS to those 'drives' we'll know that they're affraid

They are afraid alright, when they used C250, G25 and A4 CVT for comparison drive, not C350, G37 or A4 Quarttro. But they worked for BMW.

At one event they could not find an A4 CVT FWD, used an A4 Quarttro S line instead, a guy reported he preferred the Audi over 328i, and he currently drives a 328i. But everywhere else when A4 FWD CVT were used, there was no match to the 328i.

Don't for a moment think BMW is not "afraid." When the ATS specs were officially published by GM, the same day BMW adjusted the 0-60 specs for all their 2013 3 series. They used to publish conservative numbers, not anymore.

For 2013 MY, BMW now allows you to order a base strip model and add $1,000 to get the adjustable M performance suspension and dynamic steering package. So for a little over $38K you can get the most sporty 328i, if you don't care for all the other bling bling.

Yeah BMW is "afraid," should GM not be "afraid" too?

JimmyH
08-23-12, 12:32 PM
I'm afraid all these cars are too expensive for me. Almost $40k for a 4-cylinder sport sedan? When a $32k Camaro SS or Mustang GT will spank all of them?

RippyPartsDept
08-23-12, 02:02 PM
it's not about spanking ... well to some it is, i guess

JimmyH
08-23-12, 02:18 PM
Gadgets and pretty interiors don't excite me anymore. That's what you are paying for with Cadillac, Lexus, BMW, and MB.

thebigjimsho
08-23-12, 03:39 PM
I'm afraid all these cars are too expensive for me. Almost $40k for a 4-cylinder sport sedan? When a $32k Camaro SS or Mustang GT will spank all of them?

You're not factoring in resale value. Your dime a dozen cars will be worth jack in short time. The Caddy will at least hold its value a bit...

HansK
08-23-12, 04:51 PM
I'm afraid all these cars are too expensive for me. Almost $40k for a 4-cylinder sport sedan? When a $32k Camaro SS or Mustang GT will spank all of them?

or for 20k you could buy a talon and build it up...
You get what you pay for (most times) when it comes to interior/luxury options.

JimmyH
08-23-12, 05:46 PM
You're not factoring in resale value. Your dime a dozen cars will be worth jack in short time. The Caddy will at least hold its value a bit...

When Cadillacs start holding their value, you can start factoring that in. Irregardless, I don't care about resale value. Despite what my recent automotive history would suggest. I don't care about interior/luxury options. I'd be quite happy with a Chevy version of the ATS.

thebigjimsho
08-23-12, 08:02 PM
So you're leasing your Camaro?

frankc5r
08-23-12, 11:01 PM
Was at dealer tonight and they had new ATS brochures. Very nice with foldout pages showing the front and rear suspensions and decent
paint chips. Changing my order tomorrow to optional 18" wheels.

JimmyH
08-24-12, 01:56 PM
So you're leasing your Camaro?

If I did, I would have to park it after 5 months.

Fraggy
08-24-12, 02:16 PM
It has little to do with reviews people read. I have been to several BMW sponsored drives, they put C250, G25 and A4 FWD CVT transmission against 328i sport package. No one would chose those models against the 3 series, yet most of them also have no idea those models are not meant to compete with the 328i.

The legitimate 3 series competitors are C350, A4 quarttro, and G37.

They actually are legitimate competitors. They are each the lower end of their respective line. A BMW 335 and a Mercedes C350 are competitors.

Atswatcher
08-24-12, 11:07 PM
They actually are legitimate competitors. They are each the lower end of their respective line. A BMW 335 and a Mercedes C350 are competitors.

Should have said C300.

Regardless, the 2.5L should not define ATS, don't let competitors, or potential buyers define it with the 2.5L.

Is it usual for GM to start production but one month later still not a single sighting at any dealer?

AtlantaGuy00
08-25-12, 07:22 AM
I'm not sure how distribution and delivery works in the automotive industry, but my guess is that they wait to begin delivery until they have enough inventory to deliver a decent number of cars to all (or most in major markers) of the dealers who placed orders. To be fair, both Capital Cadillac and Hennessy Cadillac in Atlanta have told me that they would receive their orders either the 4th week of Aug. which is this coming week or after Labor day in Sept. We used to have a GM plant where I live in metro Atlanta. It's shuttered now and they can't figure out what to do with it which is another story, but when they used to build mini vans there they would gradually fill an enormous parking lot with the new vans and once it was full, the trucks would come take them all away at once. Then the process would start all over again. So, I keep imagining the ATS plant filling up this lot with hundreds of them waiting to be delivered to dealers once the giant storage lot has reached it's limit.

RippyPartsDept
08-25-12, 08:59 AM
that's pretty accurate ... i think the first batch of ATSs is on the road already or about to be

RippyPartsDept
08-25-12, 11:23 AM
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/community-lounge-introductions-general-discussion/268278-ok-i-now-officially-love-ats.html
looks at this batch on the way to the dealers

Atswatcher
08-25-12, 12:04 PM
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/community-lounge-introductions-general-discussion/268278-ok-i-now-officially-love-ats.html
looks at this batch on the way to the dealers

If they have only been able to keep up with special orders, that would be phenomenal. I doubt so though.

sjdriver
08-25-12, 11:43 PM
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/community-lounge-introductions-general-discussion/268278-ok-i-now-officially-love-ats.html
looks at this batch on the way to the dealers

Several of those are going to my local dealer in San Jose - when I called the dealership today they still could not tell me what colors/trims they are getting since they claimed they did not even know and that the cars were coming in "under cover." Some cars may be on the lot early next week.

The salesman also mentioned that GM was doing some kind of promotion for the first person in the country that buys an ATS.

AtlantaGuy00
08-26-12, 08:25 PM
Ok, it's officially the 4th week of August. I've given my contact info. to two dealers in Atlanta, one of whom has sold and serviced 3 of my 4 Cadillacs so they should know I’m a serious buyer. Now let’s see if/ when my phone rings. I’m ready. I’m tired of driving the DTS every day.

Atswatcher
08-26-12, 08:28 PM
Several of those are going to my local dealer in San Jose - when I called the dealership today they still could not tell me what colors/trims they are getting since they claimed they did not even know and that the cars were coming in "under cover." Some cars may be on the lot early next week.

The salesman also mentioned that GM was doing some kind of promotion for the first person in the country that buys an ATS.

Well I guess you can make a good bet with your CA at the dealer now what colors they will be.:)

Atswatcher
08-26-12, 08:31 PM
Ok, it's officially the 4th week of August. I've given my contact info. to two dealers in Atlanta, one of whom has sold and serviced 3 of my 4 Cadillacs so they should know I’m a serious buyer. Now let’s see if/ when my phone rings. I’m ready. I’m tired of driving the DTS every day.

The first batch are probably for test drives, I don't think you want it.:)

AtlantaGuy00
08-26-12, 08:38 PM
The ones given to the press were likely titled to GM and will be sold as program cars. The ones shipped to dealers will be brand spankin' new. Special orders will likely be delivered at or about the same time but the first batch will not be entirely special orders.

Johnxlrv
08-26-12, 09:49 PM
We had a few dozen at the Sonoma raceway...three trim levels and the three power train options. It amazed me that most were black, a few white, dark grey and only one red. Personally would opt for the highest trim level for the fog lights and led lighting in the door panels, etc.

Johnxlrv
08-26-12, 10:17 PM
From what I heard, this lot would be in dealer's hands mid week

http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh560/Johnxlrv/Cadillac%20Racing%20Event/d8d884a8.jpg
http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh560/Johnxlrv/Cadillac%20Racing%20Event/6541b54e.jpg
http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh560/Johnxlrv/Cadillac%20Racing%20Event/New%20ATS/6f93921e.jpg

thebigjimsho
08-27-12, 11:51 AM
Gorgeous!!

1997BlackETC
08-27-12, 12:31 PM
Wow, beautiful car, now I'm sorry I didnt wait a bit and get one of those instead of the CTS-V I just got, Naw, I think I'd miss over 500 HP at this point.

2004ctsv
08-27-12, 10:12 PM
Wow, beautiful car, now I'm sorry I didnt wait a bit and get one of those instead of the CTS-V I just got, Naw, I think I'd miss over 500 HP at this point.

Do like me and get one of each.

Atswatcher
08-30-12, 04:29 PM
From what I heard, this lot would be in dealer's hands mid week



Ok it has passed mid-week, anyone?

RippyPartsDept
08-30-12, 04:56 PM
we are getting ours first ones in the next week or two ... i think they are just getting built or finished being built

if you check with the sandiego area dealers that the cars pictured earlier were headed for they might have them on the lot by now

bmw2caddy
08-30-12, 06:36 PM
Everyone is saying another week or two still around me (dc area)

Pie R Squared
08-30-12, 06:40 PM
No ATS's in San Diego yet, I checked with two dealers this morning.

Fraggy
08-31-12, 11:54 PM
My San Diego deer said 10 days to two weeks just a couple days ago.

Cuest
09-02-12, 04:23 PM
Just called my dealer, they said 2-3 weeks! Damn it!

Atswatcher
09-02-12, 06:07 PM
I guess those 20 some ATSs are just dealer managers' toy "demo" cars.

I am new to the Caddy scene, is this how Caddy usually launches their cars?

investor74
09-02-12, 08:12 PM
I guess those 20 some ATSs are just dealer managers' toy "demo" cars.

I am new to the Caddy scene, is this how Caddy usually launches their cars?

Funny, Caddy only has a couple more weeks before they reneque on their "Arriving Summer 2012" promise on their website and press releases. When I first starting hearing "Summer" early this year, I was more envisioning July into August.

RippyPartsDept
09-03-12, 12:46 AM
I remember hearing 'late summer' so technically they will hit the target. It's cutting it close but this is kind of common for GM. I'm not sure how close other manufactures get to their launch 'promises' but i think that it does say something about the launch of this vehicle that people are awaiting it this much.

ben.gators
09-04-12, 06:17 AM
My dealer, which is the only dealer on the island, will receive them in 3-4 weeks!

Vrocks
09-04-12, 09:49 AM
They've been in transit to my dealer for a while now. I'm hoping to see one this week and definitely by early next week.

Atswatcher
09-05-12, 10:04 AM
Someone mentioned they built 1,700 ATSs last month. Probably all spoken for already. Others are speculating that they are still tweaking the CUE, a major point of contention among some reviewers.

I hope they are still tweaking the power trains to raise the output.:)

thebigjimsho
09-05-12, 11:02 AM
I've never heard anything but late September/early October...

AtlantaGuy00
09-05-12, 01:17 PM
I was told by my Atlanta dealers that end of Aug. for the 2.5 and 3.6 models, and Oct. for the 2.0T models.

ddawson
09-05-12, 05:11 PM
Someone mentioned they built 1,700 ATSs last month. Probably all spoken for already. Others are speculating that they are still tweaking the CUE, a major point of contention among some reviewers.

I hope they are still tweaking the power trains to raise the output.:)That's only 60 per day. One production line could do that in a 24 hour period.

Pie R Squared
09-05-12, 07:24 PM
That's only 60 per day. One production line could do that in a 24 hour period.

If you figure 20 work days in a month that is 85 per day but you have to remember that they are just starting up. When I bought my Corvette they were putting out ~ 157 per day one long shift sometime Saturdays, with two shifts they can probably get up to 300 per day.

Also some of these might be going over seas.

AtlantaGuy00
09-05-12, 09:48 PM
I called one of the Atlanta dealers today for an update. They said they are being shipped but they don't have a delivery date. This is different than what they told me before about getting them at the end of Aug. duh. So, we'll just wait and see. I'm kind of in a hurry because I'd like to enjoy the car this fall before it gets cold and also because I sold my daily driver and am back to the DTS as the commuter car.... I had hoped to spare the aging DTS from daily commuting duty... Plus I just want a new car @X*$!

frankc5r
09-05-12, 11:08 PM
Found out today all my constraints for polished wheels, drivers assist and 2L have come off and my dealer was able to order.
He had an allocation, so ordered the car. Few days later, the polished went back on constraint. He said that happens alot
in early production as supplies of some items are limited. Hope to visit Grand River plant in Lansing to see cars being built.
Plant is about 75 mi away from me.

Atswatcher
09-06-12, 12:42 AM
So part of the delay or limited production has to do with shortage of parts?

RippyPartsDept
09-06-12, 10:13 AM
this is all normal for the initial startup of the production a new model

C&C
09-06-12, 11:00 AM
Build your own and Search Inventory shows that there are some out there (not all dealers yet though).

ddawson
09-06-12, 01:08 PM
Build your own and Search Inventory shows that there are some out there (not all dealers yet though).I followed your advice and found they are at my dealer in Atlanta. Thanks.

ddawson
09-06-12, 01:17 PM
I followed your advice and found they are at my dealer in Atlanta. Thanks.Change 1. I called the dealer and they don't have the car. "The Build Your Own", shows they do. I should have checked with the dealer before posting. I apologize.
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Pie R Squared
09-06-12, 01:55 PM
The cars are probably in transit and have not arrived at the dealers yet. San Diego/Orange County is showing 19 ATS's.

AtlantaGuy00
09-06-12, 02:04 PM
I called the THIRD dealer in Atlanta and was told that they were in transit and to expect them in about 10 days. However, they are only expecting three and put my name on the contact list, just as the others have done. I'm kind of bummed, not because I have to wait 10 more days but because they are only getting THREE. So, does that mean in 10 days there will only be NINE ATS' in Atlanta? And of those theres a waiting list? AND some of those will be the 2.5's? The math of supply and demand isn't working out in my favor.... It's realistically going to be Halloween before I get the one I want. So, should I go ahead and just order one? I know exactly what I want. Any advise?

ddawson
09-06-12, 02:16 PM
I called the THIRD dealer in Atlanta and was told that they were in transit and to expect them in about 10 days. However, they are only expecting three and put my name on the contact list, just as the others have done. I'm kind of bummed, not because I have to wait 10 more days but because they are only getting THREE. So, does that mean in 10 days there will only be NINE ATS' in Atlanta? And of those theres a waiting list? AND some of those will be the 2.5's? The math of supply and demand isn't working out in my favor.... It's realistically going to be Halloween before I get the one I want. So, should I go ahead and just order one? I know exactly what I want. Any advise? Wait and order exactly what you want. If not, you won't be satisfied. Next year this time, you will be glad you did. Haste makes waste.

Pie R Squared
09-06-12, 02:41 PM
If you order make sure the dealer gives you the six character order number, that way you can track your order by event code.

Atswatcher
09-06-12, 03:51 PM
For those that ordered ATS, did you have to pay MSRP, or above, or below?

RippyPartsDept
09-06-12, 03:57 PM
Wait and order exactly what you want. If not, you won't be satisfied. Next year this time, you will be glad you did. Haste makes waste.
:yeah:

Pie R Squared
09-06-12, 04:05 PM
For those that ordered ATS, did you have to pay MSRP, or above, or below?

I have a GM Supplier discount so I am going to have to find a dealer that is willing to do the supplier otherwise I'll just wait it out.

FYI: Suppler discount is about 4%, I think Frank said the Employee price was about 6%.

frankc5r
09-06-12, 05:35 PM
For those that ordered ATS, did you have to pay MSRP, or above, or below?

I ordered a premium 2L turbo and order is accepted by GM but no production date yet. I get a fixed price so did not have to deal but
in prelimary talks before I made the deal, it appeared the dealer would not ask for more than list. There is only 6% between msrp and
invoice neglecting holdback etc so not the margin to deal there was years ago.

frankc5r
09-06-12, 05:41 PM
I have a GM Supplier discount so I am going to have to find a dealer that is willing to do the supplier otherwise I'll just wait it out.

FYI: Suppler discount is about 4%, I think Frank said the Employee price was about 6%.

That is true but the difference anymore between supplier and employee changes as year goes on. There is a list on GM Family First
web site of what they call the EVA amount which is a rebate of the difference between supplier and employee. It can be a few
thousand for a CTS but a couple of weeks ago, it was only $500 for a XTS and the ATS was not listed yet so I am not sure yet
what the EVA discount will be.
frank

Atswatcher
09-06-12, 07:48 PM
Thanks both for the info. How soon will you get your ordered ATSs?

frankc5r
09-06-12, 07:57 PM
Thanks both for the info. How soon will you get your ordered ATSs?
That is a GOOD question. My dealer has an allocation for a 2L car and so I expect mine to go along fairly quickly, maybe 4-6 weeks. But
they may be delaying sold orders to build inventory for all the dealers out there. I hope to find out more if I am able to do a factory tour.
I checked Family First and still no EVA amount for ATS but Corvette has $2500 till early Oct.
frank

stive403
09-07-12, 08:41 AM
I got an email from my dealer yesterday that they had just received one in. So I stopped by after work. Black on Black 3.6L luxury with moonroof. Very impressed with the styling in person. Drivers seat was very comfortable and fit and finish was excellent. the 3.6L had a very nice sound to it. Personally I'm looking toward the 2.0L Turbo so I can keep the manual trans though. It was rush hour and I wasn't able to really "test" it out too much but from what I could, I was very impressed with the ride, comfort, etc. It wasn't quite as quick as I was hoping, but no slouch. I was surprised how long the automatic would hold the car in gear at high rpm even after letting off the gas. Pretty damn nice if you're driving spirited.

The biggest downside I saw was space. The front seat had space to spare (I'm 6'3" and wouldn't drive with the seat all the way back). Back seats were small as expected, but serviceable. The biggest downer for me was trunk space. I really don't know if you could fit 2 sets of clubs in there. It was quite small.

I'll probably have to drive a 2.0L Turbo with a stick before being able to make a decision on whether or not to buy, but it was definitely a very tempting car.

bmw2caddy
09-07-12, 09:55 AM
Where are you located?

stive403
09-07-12, 02:32 PM
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

frankc5r
09-07-12, 02:47 PM
Just looked on cars.com for inventory. Found 34 ATS almost all 3.6 performance. Matches what higherup told me at MidOhio Cadillac race
in that at the beginning of a new car run, they tend to build all the same for awhile to get all the workers up and running. First 10-15 cars
I saw were ALL raven black, 3.6 auto performance cars. Few red and silver, 1/2 dozen 2.5 annd no 2.0 turbo and I did not see a stick.
frank

stive403
09-07-12, 03:38 PM
Yeah, this was a Raven black, black interior, 3.6. Luxury though, not performance.

investor74
09-07-12, 04:09 PM
Just looked on cars.com for inventory. Found 34 ATS almost all 3.6 performance. Matches what higherup told me at MidOhio Cadillac race
in that at the beginning of a new car run, they tend to build all the same for awhile to get all the workers up and running. First 10-15 cars
I saw were ALL raven black, 3.6 auto performance cars. Few red and silver, 1/2 dozen 2.5 annd no 2.0 turbo and I did not see a stick.
frank

I've followed the introduction of several cars and I have noticed that at the early stages, they seem to deliver the fully or nearly fully loaded models. I suppose they can capitalize on the early excitement and sell the higher profit units. I can also believe that there will be limited color selections at first because painting a car is complex these days, although the quality is infinitely better than it used to be.

MikeTerp
09-07-12, 07:20 PM
I got an email from my dealer yesterday that they had just received one in. So I stopped by after work. Black on Black 3.6L luxury with moonroof. Very impressed with the styling in person. Drivers seat was very comfortable and fit and finish was excellent. the 3.6L had a very nice sound to it. Personally I'm looking toward the 2.0L Turbo so I can keep the manual trans though. It was rush hour and I wasn't able to really "test" it out too much but from what I could, I was very impressed with the ride, comfort, etc. It wasn't quite as quick as I was hoping, but no slouch. I was surprised how long the automatic would hold the car in gear at high rpm even after letting off the gas. Pretty damn nice if you're driving spirited.

The biggest downside I saw was space. The front seat had space to spare (I'm 6'3" and wouldn't drive with the seat all the way back). Back seats were small as expected, but serviceable. The biggest downer for me was trunk space. I really don't know if you could fit 2 sets of clubs in there. It was quite small.

I'll probably have to drive a 2.0L Turbo with a stick before being able to make a decision on whether or not to buy, but it was definitely a very tempting car.

Thanks for the info. Sad to hear about the trunk space, but the word has been out for awhile that the ATS would not equal the 3 series on interior space to include trunk space. Some people will decide those issues are too important and not buy the ATS, others won't care. I think everyone will have to decide just how important those factors are. I would definitely like to buy an ATS over a 3, unless it just clearly was not as good in ways important to me. Can't wait to drive one.

Atswatcher
09-07-12, 10:34 PM
I stopped by a local Caddy dealer, they said still two weeks away. The guy showed me the CUE in an XTS. It's fancy and latest tech, but my fear is a lot of people will be frustrated by it. There will be a learning curve, and the worst part is, the hardware isn't fast enough. He had to make repeated moves for each command. The voice command seemed much better.

investor74
09-07-12, 11:14 PM
This could be what is holding up the ATS:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/gm-halts-u-sale-several-005128172.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/gm-halts-u-sale-several-005128172.html)

Atswatcher
09-08-12, 09:49 AM
This could be what is holding up the ATS:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/gm-halts-u-sale-several-005128172.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/gm-halts-u-sale-several-005128172.html)

This fix is done after the car arrives in the dealers. The ATSs have not arrived at most dealers yet.

I am hoping they are still updating the CUE. The one I was shown in the XTS was quite clumsy to play with.

AtlantaGuy00
09-08-12, 09:54 AM
Since the fix only takes 30 mins. I'm sure the dealer will do the update after arrival and before they go on the lots.

bmw2caddy
09-08-12, 12:07 PM
92 ATSs show up on cars.com now...and still none in the Maryland/Virginia/DC area. Ugh.....the wait continues

AtlantaGuy00
09-08-12, 04:02 PM
I finally got more detailed info. out of one of the Atlanta dealers. I was correct in that they are only getting three. He was able to tell me that they are getting three Premium models. One Red, one White Diamond and one Black Raven. The Black Raven one should be awesome as it will have the red interior. Unfortunately for me I'm more conservative and would like a Black Raven with a more neutral interior, but it will be hot for someone. After hearing that there will be a lot of Black ones I shouldn't have a hard time finding what I want and thus, no need to order one.

Atswatcher
09-08-12, 11:07 PM
This weekend should mark the arrival of the ATSs then.

investor74
09-08-12, 11:10 PM
Since the fix only takes 30 mins. I'm sure the dealer will do the update after arrival and before they go on the lots.

I can't figure out what is happening. GM Authority says that the ATS deliveries are being delayed because of the fix:

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2012/09/deliveries-cadillac-ats-delayed-due-to-onstar-glitch/

Fraggy
09-09-12, 12:24 AM
My dealer in San Diego said that they are going to training in LA on 19th of the month. Prob safe to assume the cars wont be here before that :(.

AtlantaGuy00
09-09-12, 03:41 AM
The Atlanta dealers had their training in Charlotte weeks ago... Delivery is definitely behind schedule. Since this isn't a "recall" I would have preferred to have taken delivery of the car and brought it back later for the fix. Being a new model I expect some of that. But I can see where GM would rather not do that.

DG2
09-10-12, 04:45 PM
Delayed rollout is better then a recall. Let them build them as slow as possible to make perfect !

Pie R Squared
09-10-12, 07:08 PM
My dealer in San Diego said that they are going to training in LA on 19th of the month. Prob safe to assume the cars wont be here before that :(.

Marvin K Brown contacted me and said that Cadillac representatives will have an ATS on display at the dealership Wednesday, Sept 12 from 9:00-10:00 AM.

Don't know if I can break away from work but I thought I would share this with you.

frankc5r
09-10-12, 08:13 PM
Don Massey Cadillac in Plymouth, MI got about 7 cars on Sat. Went to see this am. Most were 3.6 Luxury and rest were zero option base cars or
base with sunroof. Trunk is kinda T shaped, widest in back then narrower between wheel wells but fairly deep. Base car actually looks pretty
nice. The leatherette seats are soft, better than other base seats I have seen. I am 5-10 and fit easily with lots of room for feet in back but a
taller person would not leave much in back. No performance or premium models to be seen.
frank

investor74
09-10-12, 09:16 PM
Frank, did you see different colors? What looks good?

frankc5r
09-10-12, 09:54 PM
Frank, did you see different colors? What looks good?

I ordered crystal red metallic cause I like the color and my Grand Sport Corvette is same. However everything I saw were the basic no extra
charge colors. There were lots of pure black and several silver. Cars.com says there are some "black raven?" out there but not at this
dealership. My local store should have some soon. Try and take some pictures.
The brochure has some decent color chips in it. Dealerships have them now.
frank

buttfish77
09-11-12, 01:14 PM
On display for a whole hour? They told me they would have some real inventory this week.


Marvin K Brown contacted me and said that Cadillac representatives will have an ATS on display at the dealership Wednesday, Sept 12 from 9:00-10:00 AM.

Don't know if I can break away from work but I thought I would share this with you.

Pie R Squared
09-11-12, 03:30 PM
Yeah, just one hour, isn't that strange. I don't think they know when they will they will be getting the cars. The cars are probably sitting at the railhead near downtown waiting to be delivered. My Corvette sat there for a week before being delivered to the dealer.

investor74
09-11-12, 08:29 PM
92 ATSs show up on cars.com now...and still none in the Maryland/Virginia/DC area. Ugh.....the wait continues

Moore Cadillac in Chantilly Va is showing three ATS:

http://www.demand-moore.com/VehicleSearchResults?search=new

S (http://www.demand-moore.com/VehicleSearchResults?search=new)elect ATS for model, the exact page does not stick on the link.

As of right now, the have a 2.5 base, a 3.6 AWD Luxury and a 3.6 AWD Premium

Sozburger
09-11-12, 08:34 PM
Moore Cadillac in Chantilly Va is showing three ATS:

http://www.demand-moore.com/VehicleSearchResults?search=new

S (http://www.demand-moore.com/VehicleSearchResults?search=new)elect ATS for model, the exact page does not stick on the link.

They all say 'In Transit' under the pictures. Says the same for my local dealers as well.

investor74
09-11-12, 08:47 PM
They all say 'In Transit' under the pictures. Says the same for my local dealers as well.

Thanks. Didn't notice that. Saved me a trip. I was already planning a trip out there to see them.

AtlantaGuy00
09-11-12, 08:56 PM
Well.... at least it's an improvement. Finally for the first time the Atlanta area dealers have the ATS as a search option on their web sites... also all in transit. Next week maybe?

Sozburger
09-11-12, 08:57 PM
Yeah I only realized it after I took a 30 min trip to a dealership.

cadmanchris
09-11-12, 09:55 PM
We just received 2 of them at our dealership. one one a base silver ATS and the other was a luxury-silver also.

AtlantaGuy00
09-12-12, 06:47 PM
Finally, got a call back from a dealer. Heritage Cadillac in Morrow, GA has one. It's not right for me but I'm going out to look at it on Friday. Hopefully now the inventory will start to come in regularly and maybe them or one of the other metro Atlanta dealers will get one I like. Now it's just going to be who gets the car I want in stock first. But I'm super excited to get to finally see one!

buttfish77
09-12-12, 07:53 PM
Mr. Circle Area: did you check out the ATS at MKB today? I couldn't go. Their website shows 6 ATS's in transit. Any update on arrival date?


Yeah, just one hour, isn't that strange. I don't think they know when they will they will be getting the cars. The cars are probably sitting at the railhead near downtown waiting to be delivered. My Corvette sat there for a week before being delivered to the dealer.

frankc5r
09-12-12, 10:45 PM
Tonight I checked Cadillac of Novi inventory. 10 cars- 8 out of 10 were 3.6 AWD of various colors and msrp of about $45K and almost
same equiptment. The other 2 were base 2.5 cars with almost no options.
Sure are building alot of AWD cars. Same in other areas of country ??? or just good old snowy Mich.
frank

AtlantaGuy00
09-12-12, 10:59 PM
I dnt expect any awd models in the southeast unless special ordered. I'll be nterested to see what the dealers receive once they start getting more than one.

Cadillac Tony
09-13-12, 08:29 AM
Got our first ATS this morning- base model Radiant Silver.

97343

DG2
09-13-12, 08:45 AM
Just dropped my STS off fur service at dealer and they had a ATS4 right out front. Had the 3.6 V6. Ouch, made in Mexico ! Come on GM keep Cadillacs all North America at least !! Sticker was $50k. Nice looking car , interior was gorgeous exterior was crisp.

I agree with pricing confusion as the XTS next to it was only $7k more and the CTS was cheaper ???

AtlantaGuy00
09-13-12, 09:32 AM
If the CTS' are scheduled to be replaced in the near future as I've heard, then they're going to be on "clearance" sales.... If I was so inclined now would be a great time to pick up one of those.

Kassad
09-13-12, 09:33 AM
Isn't Mexico still part of North America?

Atswatcher
09-13-12, 09:42 AM
I thought they were all built in MI? This could be an issue at least among Bimmer owners. Not too many of them liked the idea of BMW trying to build the 3 series in Mexico.

Cadillac Tony
09-13-12, 09:49 AM
ATS is made at the award winning Lansing Grand River Plant, same place the CTS is assembled.

bmw2caddy
09-13-12, 09:59 AM
BMW already builds some of its 3 series models in south Africa. There are some enthusiasts that try and make sure they get a German built car

DG2
09-13-12, 10:14 AM
The window sticker of the ATS I saw a couple hours ago shows it is built in Lansing Mi but the engine is made in Mexico.

The domestic content was only 55%. A Toyota Camry has a much higher domestic content percentage Great looking car kudos but a Cadillac should have at a min 70% domestic content.

DG2
09-13-12, 10:18 AM
Isn't Mexico still part of North America?

I meant USA

DG2
09-13-12, 10:29 AM
GM brass if Toyota can build the Camry with 92% domestic content why can't Cadillac ? All the praise in the world for building the ATS from scratch , it's a fantastic car. But let's get the all American brand as all American as it can be.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCcQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thecarconnection.com%2Fnews%2 F1065457_2012-toyota-camry-shaping-up-to-have-highest-american-content&ei=jexRUNTvK-y60QGVrYCQCQ&usg=AFQjCNGdcvIQyMmQI7kWwZfbkXgloKYhLw

Chuck C
09-13-12, 10:35 AM
Crestmont Cadillac Beachwood, OH has seven. A photo of a pretty grey ATS on display pops up when you visit the site.

http://www.crestmontcadillac.com/

Also,
Ebay has one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2013-ATS-Sedan-AWD-Navigation-Sunroof-Leather-Heated-Cooled-Cadillac-Que-/370649227529?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item564c6a6109

JimmyH
09-13-12, 12:45 PM
Isn't Mexico still part of North America?

They seceded. They are now part of South America. Blame the gringos.

Pie R Squared
09-13-12, 02:42 PM
Mr. Circle Area: did you check out the ATS at MKB today? I couldn't go. Their website shows 6 ATS's in transit. Any update on arrival date?

Could not make it, Shelley said it was 3.6 Performance Crystal Red/Light platinum and she was able to test drive it.

ddawson
09-13-12, 02:51 PM
They seceded. They are now part of South America. Blame the gringos.Please discontinue this conversation. PLEASE.

investor74
09-13-12, 04:49 PM
Just dropped my STS off fur service at dealer and they had a ATS4 right out front. Had the 3.6 V6. Ouch, made in Mexico ! Come on GM keep Cadillacs all North America at least !! Sticker was $50k. Nice looking car , interior was gorgeous exterior was crisp.

I agree with pricing confusion as the XTS next to it was only $7k more and the CTS was cheaper ???

Something is wrong here. The ATS is made in Lansing Grand River Plant. I never heard anything about Mexico. The 3.6 engine is either made in Flint or Ontario.

DG2
09-13-12, 05:05 PM
The sticker said Mexico !

RippyPartsDept
09-13-12, 05:24 PM
let's make this simple

if the first digit of the VIN is a "1" then the vehicle was made in the US

if the first digit of the VIN is a "2" then the vehicle was made in Canada

if the first digit of the VIN is a "3" then the vehicle was made in Mexico

source: http://service.gm.com/dealerworld/vincards/pdf/vincard13%20car%2009-12-12%20r1.5.pdf

DG2
09-13-12, 05:31 PM
Guys. The car was made in Lansing. The sticker of the car shows the transmission "Made in USA". The engine " Mexico ".

I thought all 3.6 V6 was made in USA too. Could it be an error ?

MD-11
09-13-12, 05:41 PM
Capital Cadillac Marietta, GA has a red luxury on the showroom floor w/2.5L

AtlantaGuy00
09-13-12, 09:22 PM
Capital has my name and was supposed to call me!

Fraggy
09-15-12, 01:43 AM
OMG, this Mexico thing could be a deal breaker. I had a heated exchange at the BMW forum over them considering a plant in mex and not expanding US production. It's a slap in the face. If the ATS gets made in mex it defeats the point of buying American. I expected more from Cadillac with this car. UGH!!

DG2
09-15-12, 06:46 AM
OMG, this Mexico thing could be a deal breaker. I had a heated exchange at the BMW forum over them considering a plant in mex and not expanding US production. It's a slap in the face. If the ATS gets made in mex it defeats the point of buying American. I expected more from Cadillac with this car. UGH!!

The car is definitely Made in USA. This particular model showed the 3.6 V6 engine was made in Mexico. GM has to be smart as people buying a Caddy expect to see the engine , transmission and car Made in USA

Like Harley-Davidson Cadillac is an American icon.

DG2
09-15-12, 06:59 AM
I think the window sticker of that ATS was wrong as the research I just did via goggle shows that the 3.6VVT V6 are made in Flint Mich


Katie from Cadillac can you confirm if all the V6 are made in USA. ?

stabie
09-15-12, 10:39 AM
I found this http://www.gminsidenews.com/index.php?page=Engine_Guide that also indicates flint as the assembly point for the V6.

JimmyH
09-15-12, 12:40 PM
GM doesn't manufacture ANYTHING in Mexico. They have a few assembly plants there, that's it.

DG2
09-15-12, 12:52 PM
GM doesn't manufacture ANYTHING in Mexico. They have a few assembly plants there, that's it.

Yes they do. GM even invested almost $500mm in upgrading the Mexican engine plant last year. The SRX is also made in Mexico. :(

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSN2011837420110120?irpc=932

JimmyH
09-15-12, 03:24 PM
That must be a brand new plant. It's not listed as being in operation yet.

They assemble the srx and escalade in mx.

RAB
09-15-12, 06:45 PM
The window sticker from my 2011 CTS4 Premium Sport Sedan states the car was assembled at GM Lansing Grand River Assembly, the 3.6L DI (LLT) engine manufactured in Mexico (GM Ramos Arizpe) and the 6L50 (MX7) transmission manufactured in France (GM Strasbourg).
Personally I'm happy to be driving an American car assembled in America and can tolerate a percentage of the vehicle's components being manufactured elsewhere (at other GM facilities).
As info.. GM has operated in Mexico for more than 75 years and employs about 11,500 people at its corporate offices in Mexico City and plants in Toluca, Silao, Ramos Arizpe, Cupuan and San Luis Potosi.

DG2
09-15-12, 06:59 PM
Yes, that was part of GMs original sin of outsourcing It's a global market no doubt but of all of GMs cars I would like to see the major components ( engine ) made in USA on a Cadillac.

RAB
09-15-12, 07:28 PM
^ Yes.. but at least they're "outsourcing" (as you put it) to their own [GM-owned/operated] global facilities. GM has engine manufacturing facilities in several international locations, including Canada and Australia. DG2, I'm guessing you also wouldn't want to see a Canadian-built engine going into a Cadillac - heaven forbid! ;) You certainly then wouldn't want to be buying a Cadillac SRX, a vehicle that's assembled in Mexico.. or a Cadillac XTS, a vehicle that's assembled in Canada.
As info, like it or not.. most Cadillac models will soon be assembled in China (that's in addition of course to the assembly plants in North America where Cadillacs are currently built).

DG2
09-15-12, 07:59 PM
I was not pleased that during our Nations job crises and after Uncle saved GM ( I am ok with that by the way ) that instead of spending that $500 million in Mexico to ramp up engine production that they did not invest in the USA. $500 million would put many Americans back to work. let's get real. I know GM is a global company but you know what, they need to do whatever possible now to create more jobs. Plus with all the " buy American " speeches from the President ( which are wonderful! ) imagine the surprise on intelligent consumers face when they think they are helping the US economy by purchasing a Cadillac and the freaking SRX is made in Mexico !!!! That is BS and GM should relish the fact that Cadillac is perceived as the all American brand

Chinese made GM cars will be for China and that is wonderful !! The XTS made in Canada gets a free pass because as you know the Canada invested $billions to help rescue GM. They deserve for their efforts.

I said thus many times. Cadillac is like a Harley-Davidson. Made in USA is the backbone of both. Harley knows this and they embraced. BTW- I am a customer not an employee of GM. I want them to kick ass and they are. But , a Mexican made Cadillac no way and if there is ever a Chinese made Caddy for America I will go back to driving German made cars

Atswatcher
09-15-12, 08:29 PM
Since SRX is one of few Cadillacs selling these days, I guess the fact it is built in Mexico did not deter US buyers.

DG2
09-15-12, 09:05 PM
It deterred me, I bought the original made in Lansing SRX but would NEVER buy the one from Mexico GM is very hot in surveys and i just completed a rather lengthy one on my Escalade purchase and ownership experience. They really should put that question in the surveys " is buying a Made in USA product important to you. I bet you the majority of GM customers would say YES.

This is a corporate issue. Most car buyers may not know or look at the window sticker where the cars engine is made but an American company who use to employ 600,000 Americans should care. Espicially after what happened. Period.

Fraggy
09-16-12, 12:41 AM
I was not pleased that during our Nations job crises and after Uncle saved GM ( I am ok with that by the way ) that instead of spending that $500 million in Mexico to ramp up engine production that they did not invest in the USA. $500 million would put many Americans back to work. let's get real. I know GM is a global company but you know what, they need to do whatever possible now to create more jobs. Plus with all the " buy American " speeches from the President ( which are wonderful! ) imagine the surprise on intelligent consumers face when they think they are helping the US economy by purchasing a Cadillac and the freaking SRX is made in Mexico !!!! That is BS and GM should relish the fact that Cadillac is perceived as the all American brand

Chinese made GM cars will be for China and that is wonderful !! The XTS made in Canada gets a free pass because as you know the Canada invested $billions to help rescue GM. They deserve for their efforts.

I said thus many times. Cadillac is like a Harley-Davidson. Made in USA is the backbone of both. Harley knows this and they embraced. BTW- I am a customer not an employee of GM. I want them to kick ass and they are. But , a Mexican made Cadillac no way and if there is ever a Chinese made Caddy for America I will go back to driving German made cars

Fully agree.

bmw2caddy
09-16-12, 10:15 AM
I think my dealer just got at least one ATS in yesterday at least according to Cars.com gonna go check when they open today. Pretty pumped to see it in person if it is there. The one that showed up was a 2.5 base, but their website shows that others are also there.

C&C
09-16-12, 11:21 AM
Got to see one at my dealer this morning (Sunday); since I like to look without being bothered (by salesman), I often take a Sunday morning ride. It was a Glacial Blue luxury with 3.6, nice.

bmw2caddy
09-16-12, 12:12 PM
Well that was a fake out by cars.com and dealer website....no ATSs at my dealer. They said they were supposed to receive them yesterday. So should be any day now they say.

investor74
09-16-12, 12:47 PM
Everyone is saying another week or two still around me (dc area)

Looks like Moore Cadillac in Chantilly has one in the showroom:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0rD717v3IA

bmw2caddy
09-16-12, 01:24 PM
Thanks! Will try and get down there tomorrow to check it out.

atsfan
09-16-12, 04:45 PM
I'm in the Houston, TX area and it seems that the ATS in the 2.5 and the 3.6 are finally starting to make it to the lots. I wish they would have the 2.0T versions here because I would like to compare the 2.0T with the 3.6L rather than that paltry 2.5 liter base engine.
Regardless, this will be my first time to buy a Cadillac; even to consider looking at a Caddy after most of my vehicle purchases have been Honda/Nissan.
I sure hope that my first GM purchase will not let me down.

DG2
09-16-12, 08:39 PM
I'm in the Houston, TX area and it seems that the ATS in the 2.5 and the 3.6 are finally starting to make it to the lots. I wish they would have the 2.0T versions here because I would like to compare the 2.0T with the 3.6L rather than that paltry 2.5 liter base engine.
Regardless, this will be my first time to buy a Cadillac; even to consider looking at a Caddy after most of my vehicle purchases have been Honda/Nissan.
I sure hope that my first GM purchase will not let me down.

You are going LOVE it !! You will never look back at Honda /Nissan again. Congrats

frankc5r
09-16-12, 09:31 PM
For an idea on pricing, visit http://www.annarborchevroletcadillac.com/VehicleSearchResults?pageContext=VehicleSearch&search=new&make=Cadillac

This is dealer I ordered from and they are showing discounts of 1700 to 2200 on cars from 35K to 49K.

frank

b4z
09-17-12, 08:19 AM
Baker motors in charleston, sc has a light blue luxury in. Nice color.
Car is very good looking in person. Back seat room is small, but we knew that.
Interior is beautiful and upscale.
The only negative for me is that I feel visually the diameter of the tires is too small.
They make the car look somewhat toy like in profile.
Perhaps a 10 mm wider tire with the same aspect ratio or a aspect ratio that is 5mm larger.

Atswatcher
09-17-12, 10:52 AM
Baker motors in charleston, sc has a light blue luxury in. Nice color.
Car is very good looking in person. Back seat room is small, but we knew that.
Interior is beautiful and upscale.
The only negative for me is that I feel visually the diameter of the tires is too small.
They make the car look somewhat toy like in profile.
Perhaps a 10 mm wider tire with the same aspect ratio or a aspect ratio that is 5mm larger.

Could it be the 17" wheels? I think 18" is a must. Hopefully they will offer 19" soon.

C&C
09-17-12, 11:26 AM
Yeah, that's the same vehicle I reported on in response 173; it has 18" wheels. As the wheel diameter goes up the aspect ratio is going to go down. If Cadillac actually put a larger tire in the wheel well they would also need a different program in the ECU to convert mph and odometer reading; Cadillac has obviously (so far) deemed the tire/wheel well dimensions as delivered. I reported glacial blue but I believe the correct color is Glacier Blue; and yes, that color presents very well.

JimmyH
09-17-12, 12:41 PM
The only negative for me is that I feel visually the diameter of the tires is too small.

that's because everyone has gotten too used to seeing SUV tires on sedans the last few years. Big props to Cadillac for reversing the clown shoe trend with the ATS.
Smaller wheel=less weight=better handling.

Sevenfeet
09-17-12, 03:25 PM
In Nashville, Crest Cadillac got their first a few days ago (a red 2.5L I-4 w/Luxury). Andrews Cadillac is due to get their first, a black 3.6L V6 w/Luxury sometime this week. Of course, I'm only interested in terms for the brand. I doubt seriously I can fit in the little guy. :helpless:

The Tony Show
09-17-12, 03:30 PM
Front seat is surprisingly roomy. Rear seat room with a tall guy is up front, however, is a different story.

JimmyH
09-17-12, 04:28 PM
Bottom line; if you are riding in the back of an ATS whose owner is 5'2", you're good to go.

Atswatcher
09-17-12, 04:39 PM
What you guys feel about the blind spots?

RippyPartsDept
09-17-12, 05:51 PM
we got our first in today

sorry about the horrible quality pics ... you get the idea though

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9784/image44l.jpg

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http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/2035/imageemxk.jpg

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b4z
09-17-12, 07:14 PM
Yeah, that's the same vehicle I reported on in response 173; it has 18" wheels. As the wheel diameter goes up the aspect ratio is going to go down. If Cadillac actually put a larger tire in the wheel well they would also need a different program in the ECU to convert mph and odometer reading; Cadillac has obviously (so far) deemed the tire/wheel well dimensions as delivered. I reported glacial blue but I believe the correct color is Glacier Blue; and yes, that color presents very well.

Unfortunately my salesperson "Tom" couldnt take the new owner's pay or demands and has left the dealership after 26 years. They also added a $499 transaction fee and shop rates are $145 hr.
I've bought 3 Cadillacs fom them and 1 olds. I bet you miss having them in mt. Pleasant?

b4z
09-17-12, 07:16 PM
I don't want to see 19s on this car. I'd like to see a taller tire on the 18s.
And I'm not a big fan of huge rims nor am a fan of low profile tires.

b4z
09-17-12, 07:20 PM
Re: taller tire diameter. I meant to say in my previous post, an aspect ratio that is 5 percent larger not 5mm larger.

Atswatcher
09-17-12, 07:21 PM
I don't want to see 19s on this car. I'd like to see a taller tire on the 18s.
And I'm not a big fan of huge rims nor am a fan of low profile tires.

Personally 18" is the largest rims I would have, but a good chuck of potential buyers may prefer 19".

investor74
09-17-12, 07:34 PM
Chris, a beautiful car like that deserves better pictures. That's the Cararmel interior with the beautiful wood trim, black exterior. That's my favorite combo.

shelby12
09-17-12, 07:45 PM
Sat in one today, very nice but the trunk is VERY small

AtlantaGuy00
09-17-12, 08:24 PM
Thanks for the pics Chris. That's my favorite color combo. Will you do me a favor and take more, but better pics of it? I'm also curious to see what kind of tires are on it, so a pic showing brand and model of the tires that are on those wheels would be greatly appreciated also.

RippyPartsDept
09-18-12, 12:07 AM
It was sold about a half hour after I took those pics. The sales dept parked it next to a cts. There was a customer on the way to check it out. (first on the list). One look at it next to the cts and it was sold.

We'll get more and I'll get better pics.

AtlantaGuy00
09-18-12, 12:42 AM
Thanks Chris. I'm trying to locate one EXACTLY like that one in the Atlanta area with no luck. Same colors, wheels, everything. The dealer has found one 250 miles out of Atlanta, but no word if the other dealership is willing to sent it to Atlanta....

Chuck C
09-18-12, 11:31 AM
Thanks for the pics Chris. That's my favorite color combo. Will you do me a favor and take more, but better pics of it? I'm also curious to see what kind of tires are on it, so a pic showing brand and model of the tires that are on those wheels would be greatly appreciated also.

I test drove a 3.6 AWD performance this past weeked. Wears Michelin Primacy MXM4 V rated 225/45/17. The 2.5 standard, also on the lot, wore H rated. Seems to get good reviews on tirerack.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Primacy+MXM4&partnum=055HR6MXM4P

By the way - the caramel with the olive ash wood trim is a stunner - espeically since this interior comes with a black headliner.

AtlantaGuy00
09-18-12, 11:35 AM
The car that the Atlanta dealer is working on getting transferred to me has the 18" wheels which I beleive have the run flats.... Now I'm wondering if I should tell him to forget that can and find me one with the 17" wheels or just keep the 18" ones and switch them to non-run flats when the time comes....

investor74
09-18-12, 11:53 AM
Atlanta Guy, only the base model has non-run flat all seasons. The Luxury and Performance have 17" all season run-flats standard, 18" optional. The Premium has 18" wheels standard with Summer Tires.

Fraggy
09-18-12, 12:44 PM
For those interested, just got a call from Marvin K Brown in SD and they said they have 2 in stock that will go quickly. I hope I can get there after work and they are still there.

Chuck C
09-18-12, 02:18 PM
Some FYI: by selecting the $800 17" polished wheels option on Standard trim, you also get the Brembo brakes. This was apparent when I did some window sticker lookups by VIN on GM's site.

http://www.gmbuypower.com/ws/nvlWindowSticker.vs?VIN=1G6AA5RA0D0111165

investor74
09-18-12, 03:02 PM
Some FYI: by selecting the $800 17" polished wheels option on Standard trim, you also get the Brembo brakes. This was apparent when I did some window sticker lookups by VIN on GM's site.

http://www.gmbuypower.com/ws/nvlWindowSticker.vs?VIN=1G6AA5RA0D0111165

Interesting find, but totally unexpected. You'd never know that when you select the optional wheels in build your own. It also looks like you get run flat tires, so there is a lot of value packed in the wheel package. Once again, you'd never know because if you go to the next page on build your own, it doesn't say that you got the run flats. Caddy needs to fix up their BYO application a little bit.

buttfish77
09-18-12, 04:02 PM
I got the same call. I was going to go down there tomorrow afternoon to take a look. I want the 2.0T, so I'm not going to buy them, just test drive. Please leave one for me to look at!


For those interested, just got a call from Marvin K Brown in SD and they said they have 2 in stock that will go quickly. I hope I can get there after work and they are still there.

Pie R Squared
09-18-12, 04:44 PM
Nobody called me yet but don't worry I am not going to buy yet.

Fraggy
09-18-12, 10:07 PM
Well, I'll try to get there tomorrow. There was just no time today. Mike just left me a voicemail and I guess one is a luxury package and the other a performance package, and they are both black. He didn't mention engine sizes, is it safe to assume they're both 3.6?.

AtlantaGuy00
09-19-12, 05:03 PM
Well guys, tomorrow I'm taking delivery of a 3.6 Luxury in Thurder Gray! It was just delivered to the dealer today. It's a beautiful car in that color. It's perfect for me. I like it much better than the black I was looking at.

RippyPartsDept
09-19-12, 05:23 PM
We got two more in today ... i only saw them from afar ... i'll try and get some pictures of all three tomorrow
(apparently i was misinformed - the black one did not sell)

ddawson
09-19-12, 06:22 PM
Well guys, tomorrow I'm taking delivery of a 3.6 Luxury in Thurder Gray! It was just delivered to the dealer today. It's a beautiful car in that color. It's perfect for me. I like it much better than the black I was looking at.You will love the Thunder Gray. Depending on the lighting, the car will actually change colors, to the naked eye.

buttfish77
09-19-12, 07:11 PM
I just test drove a black raven 3.6L -- love everything about it except (a potential deal breaker) interior room. I'm over 6 feet and I feel positively claustrophobic. Not that I would ever sit there, but I don't even fit in the back seat. My head is hard against the headliner. The steering wheel is very small and feels awkward. I wish I was shorter!

AudiA4
09-19-12, 09:30 PM
I just test drove a black raven 3.6L -- love everything about it except (a potential deal breaker) interior room. I'm over 6 feet and I feel positively claustrophobic. Not that I would ever sit there, but I don't even fit in the back seat. My head is hard against the headliner. The steering wheel is very small and feels awkward. I wish I was shorter!

We all knew interior space was at a premium based upon the reviews, so I'm further dismayed by this. I'm 6'-6" and my current e90 BMW 330i (great care by the way) is just adequate for a person my size with reasonable space for a "regular" sized person behind. Ugh. I've really been wanting this ATS, but if the size is that bad I may have to wait for the new CTS.

p.s. I've known a few people with the Lexus IS which has a joke of a back seat...I'm wondering if the ATS is (regrettably) similar.

AudiA4
09-19-12, 09:31 PM
I just test drove a black raven 3.6L -- love everything about it except (a potential deal breaker) interior room. I'm over 6 feet and I feel positively claustrophobic. Not that I would ever sit there, but I don't even fit in the back seat. My head is hard against the headliner. The steering wheel is very small and feels awkward. I wish I was shorter!

We all knew interior space was at a premium based upon the reviews, so I'm further dismayed by this. I'm 6'-6" and my current e90 BMW 330i (great care by the way) is just adequate for a person my size with reasonable space for a "regular" sized person behind. Ugh. I've really been wanting this ATS, but if the size is that bad I may have to wait for the new CTS.

p.s. I've known a few people with the Lexus IS which has a joke of a back seat...I'm wondering if the ATS is (regrettably) similar.

investor74
09-19-12, 09:42 PM
Well guys, tomorrow I'm taking delivery of a 3.6 Luxury in Thurder Gray! It was just delivered to the dealer today. It's a beautiful car in that color. It's perfect for me. I like it much better than the black I was looking at.

Congrats, Atlanta guy! What interior combo did you get? Could you post pictures when you get it?

AtlantaGuy00
09-19-12, 09:51 PM
Thanks investor74, it's the brown, platinum and wood interior. I'll post pics soon as well as my impressions of the car after ive had it a few days. BTW I'm going to be given an iPad with the car too!

bmw2caddy
09-20-12, 10:46 AM
Congrats AtlantaGuy! Post pics ASAP we're all anxiously waiting to see it too.

rage2021
09-20-12, 11:13 AM
We all knew interior space was at a premium based upon the reviews, so I'm further dismayed by this. I'm 6'-6" and my current e90 BMW 330i (great care by the way) is just adequate for a person my size with reasonable space for a "regular" sized person behind. Ugh. I've really been wanting this ATS, but if the size is that bad I may have to wait for the new CTS.

p.s. I've known a few people with the Lexus IS which has a joke of a back seat...I'm wondering if the ATS is (regrettably) similar.

yeah im 6'2 and am really looking forward to this car...hopefully the interior space is adequate for me..anyone tall have any impressions on the front seat space? well i guess anything is an upgrade over my current car..old mazda 3 lol.

ddawson
09-20-12, 11:21 AM
I'm 6'2" and the one I sat in, had plenty of headroom. In fact, I commented on the headroom compared to my 08 CTS.

Atswatcher
09-20-12, 11:22 AM
If headroom is an issue, get one without moonroof and save some money.

ddawson
09-20-12, 11:24 AM
I'm 6'2" and the one I sat in, had plenty of headroom. In fact, I commented on the headroom compared to my 08 CTS.The one I sat in had a moonroof.

Atswatcher
09-20-12, 11:30 AM
The one I sat in had a moonroof.

Someone new to the car could have also forgot to lower the seat.

Sevenfeet
09-20-12, 12:02 PM
yeah im 6'2 and am really looking forward to this car...hopefully the interior space is adequate for me..anyone tall have any impressions on the front seat space? well i guess anything is an upgrade over my current car..old mazda 3 lol.

When my dealer gets one, I'll comment. I'm obviously at the extreme (6'11" height, but legs of a 7 footer). The CTS, SRX and 'Slade all work well for me. I'm not optimistic about the ATS, but hey, the current 3 series for me is not so bad...actually better than the 5 series. It's all about packaging.

DG2
09-20-12, 01:21 PM
When my dealer gets one, I'll comment. I'm obviously at the extreme (6'11" height, but legs of a 7 footer). The CTS, SRX and 'Slade all work well for me. I'm not optimistic about the ATS, but hey, the current 3 series for me is not so bad...actually better than the 5 series. It's all about packaging.

You need the XTS !!! Did you see Shaquele ONeal doing the Buick Lacross commercial ? His 7feet plus body looked very comfy in that Lacross which has same dimensions as XTS

bmw2caddy
09-20-12, 04:48 PM
Just checked out a 3.6 luxury in ellicott city Maryland, my dealer in Bethesda got them in this afternoon and will be ready to show tomorrow so will be going to check them out tomorrow morning.

MikeTerp
09-20-12, 07:09 PM
You need the XTS !!! Did you see Shaquele ONeal doing the Buick Lacross commercial ? His 7feet plus body looked very comfy in that Lacross which has same dimensions as XTS

Yeah, except that if you looked closely, Shaq had the seat reclined about as far as it would go, so he was practically laying down! LOL. Somehow, I see him as more of an Escalade guy than a Lacrosse (but I'm sure he took Buick's money!).

bmw2caddy
09-20-12, 07:29 PM
Hey MikeTerp where in Maryland are you?

gort
09-20-12, 08:21 PM
Hey my name's Mike and I am a terp alum as well. Small world. :D

AudiA4
09-21-12, 06:15 PM
When my dealer gets one, I'll comment. I'm obviously at the extreme (6'11" height, but legs of a 7 footer). The CTS, SRX and 'Slade all work well for me. I'm not optimistic about the ATS, but hey, the current 3 series for me is not so bad...actually better than the 5 series. It's all about packaging.

Wow, I'm 6'-6" and I just thought I was tall! I just came back from the dealer who received their first ATS (which was a stripper base model). I was actually surprised by the room given the prior reviews/criticism. Actually, the headroom was very ample (I tall torso-ed). In fact, I thought the rear seat room was no worse than my 2006 e90 330i. Not that it's great, but not as bad as I was expecting.

p.s. I was really pleasantly surprised by the base 2.5 model. It felt quite refined AND the handling was noticeably sharp even in casual driving. This was the first I'd ever seen of the ATS without the CUE. Not bad, but no way I'd get one of these without the CUE (or the 2.0T minimum).

AtlantaGuy00
09-22-12, 10:48 AM
Here's the pics of my Thunder Gray ATS I bought a couple days ago. I absolutely love the car, even though it's been in the shop already....97742

AtlantaGuy00
09-22-12, 10:49 AM
97743

AtlantaGuy00
09-22-12, 10:50 AM
97744

AtlantaGuy00
09-22-12, 10:50 AM
97745

Atswatcher
09-22-12, 11:32 PM
<img src="http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=97743"/>

Nice color, I never thought of this one, now it is on my list of colors.

What model (1, 2 or 3) iPad did you get?

AudiA4
09-23-12, 12:47 AM
Nice color, I never thought of this one, now it is on my list of colors.

What model (1, 2 or 3) iPad did you get?

Well, I'm not Atlantaguy00 but my dealer told me it was the new iPad (3). He confirmed that it came with the car, but was obviously a wifi model (not 3G).

EnvoyBu
09-24-12, 08:17 PM
Awesome car, Atlanta! Why was it in the shop?

AtlantaGuy00
09-24-12, 09:00 PM
It got stuck in neutral when I was going from Drive to Reverse to turn around. The cable from the selector to the transmission wasn't attached properly at the factory, but the dealer had it fixed in no time. Alls well that ends well. I drove the car on a 150 mile shake down road trip over the weekend and love it. It performed perfectly. No regreats.

EnvoyBu
09-24-12, 09:59 PM
Very nice. It's pretty fast, huh? :o

AtlantaGuy00
09-24-12, 10:25 PM
It will definitely move! I haven't really dogged it much while it's breaking in and we're getting to know each other, but I did have no problems passing a pickup and bus sized RV at the same time on a two lane road.

investor74
09-25-12, 05:48 PM
It will definitely move! I haven't really dogged it much while it's breaking in and we're getting to know each other, but I did have no problems passing a pickup and bus sized RV at the same time on a two lane road.

How is the smoothness of the ride and the quietness of the interior? Road noise? Engine? Tire rumble? Wind noises?

AtlantaGuy00
09-25-12, 06:20 PM
I thought the ride was very comfortable. It was smooth and firm on the highway. The car was well controlled on the mountian roads. It does get a little bouncy on the uneven pavement in my neighborhood at low speeds but at speed it fealt nice. I didn't hear any wind or tire noise, even from the run flats. We could have normal conversations and not have to turn the radio up loud at 70 mph. The engine sounds nice, but definately not throaty and deep like a V8. It's got a nice higher toned rumble when you push it. The transmission downshifts in an instant when you call for power, there is absolutely no delay or hunting for the right gear. With all that said this is my first sports sedan. I've only owned Devilles, the DTS and some economy cars so I have only these things to compare it to. But, this cas is everything I hoped it would be.

AtlantaGuy00
09-25-12, 07:40 PM
And one other point of clarity, I did own a 2008 MX-5 Miata which I can compare this car to. The ATS is just as nimble as the Miata but MUCH more powerful. Other than that there is no other comparison. The ATS is superior in every other way. In fact, even though it's a larger car, it's easier to get in and out of (a problem for me in tight spaces) because the Miata was a coupe and had larger doors (so it seems) or just that you had to "fall" into the Miata and climb out or it, which was not easy. Also, the Miata was agile but not fast, and the ATS is both.

HoustonMidtown
09-26-12, 02:08 PM
Test drove a couple ATS' at the Midtown dealer last night - a 3.6 AWD Perf and a 3.6 RWD Premium -- they also had a base model -- and I mean base, sticker price was $33,xxx -- it had no options at all on the sticker. The 3.6's were nice, very tight rear seat (as has been mentioned) and tight rear head room....the interior is amazing - loved the CUE system. The exterior lighting is fantastic at night, there is a light show every time you unlock the car.

MikeTerp
09-26-12, 08:51 PM
Hey MikeTerp where in Maryland are you?

Ellicott City.