: Check your front brake hoses....



CTSV_510
04-15-12, 02:44 PM
Even though I've heard of this issue, I hadn't paid any attention to the state of my front brake hoses, but the installation of the ground control kit yesterday exposed the damage. Just from the movement of the hoses during the installation of the coilovers, both front hoses, passenger and driver side, failed at the same spot. The lines under the rubber boot are crumbling, completely rusted out. When I grab the rubber boot and move it, you can hear the metal crunching underneath it. I don't have pictures of the full damage yet, I'm waiting until I get the new hoses to install before I pull the old stuff out.

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn240/ctsv510/IMG-20120415-WA0003.jpg
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http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn240/ctsv510/IMG_20120415_133947.jpg

I'm going to install new hoses tomorrow or the next day, as soon as I get the parts. If you haven't looked at yours recently, you may want to take a peek, and maybe replace them even if they don't seem to be damaged.

AAIIIC
04-15-12, 03:05 PM
I don't know what problem GM's engineers were trying to fix with those rubber boots, but methinks they created a nice spot for moisture to collect and cause crevice corrosion underneath.

Good thing you caught it when you did!

Tackelbarry
04-15-12, 03:50 PM
Thanks for the heads up. As soon as I get the 69 Firebird off of the jack stands, I will put the V on them. I have been thinking about upgrading to stainless steel braided lines anyway. Now I have an excuse. Thanks again.

JDB
04-16-12, 08:36 AM
Yikes. Wasn't there a recall or TSB about brake lines?

What (good, SS) options for lines are available?

CTSV_510
04-16-12, 09:13 AM
No recall...I just spoke to the dealer and my VIN doesn't fall into the range of recalled vehicles. I suspect they left the V's out of this for some reason...even though we use the same part # hoses as the CTS.

Goodridge makes a set: http://www.amazon.com/Goodridge-Stainless-2004-On-Cadillac-Brembo/dp/B000IJBAGQ

Andringa
04-16-12, 01:34 PM
No recall...I just spoke to the dealer and my VIN doesn't fall into the range of recalled vehicles. I suspect they left the V's out of this for some reason...even though we use the same part # hoses as the CTS.

Goodridge makes a set: http://www.amazon.com/Goodridge-Stainless-2004-On-Cadillac-Brembo/dp/B000IJBAGQ

I replaced mine with the SS kit from UUC. Luke (Lindsay Cadillac) used to sell them, not sure if he can still get them.

Cadillac Customer Service basically said if my VIN didn't qualify for the recall they couldn't do anything for me. My personal opinion is that CTS-Vs on average have seen less road salt than normal CTSs. So even though it's the same part, they looked at the number of reported failures and left the CTS-V off the recall.

This is what mine looked like after I cut the rubber boot off.
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CTSV_510
04-16-12, 02:22 PM
I saw that picture, it looks terrible. I will have a picture of mine once I get home from work and start the swap. I'm going with stock replacements for now because I need to get my car back on the road, but I may go to steel braided somewhere down the line.

I checked with Katie and she said there is nothing GM will do since my VIN is outside the recall list. :nono:

AAIIIC
04-16-12, 11:53 PM
I don't know how exactly the recall process works, but it might be worth writing a nice letter to DOT/NHTSA referencing the V6 CTS recall, the fact that the brake lines are the same design on the CTS-V but are not included in the recall, and some pictures of your failed/failing brake lines.

The letter would probably just end up in a govt bureaucratic black hole somewhere, but it might make you feel a little better knowing that you tried. :)

CTSV_510
04-17-12, 12:46 AM
I don't know how exactly the recall process works, but it might be worth writing a nice letter to DOT/NHTSA referencing the V6 CTS recall, the fact that the brake lines are the same design on the CTS-V but are not included in the recall, and some pictures of your failed/failing brake lines.

The letter would probably just end up in a govt bureaucratic black hole somewhere, but it might make you feel a little better knowing that you tried. :)

I suppose it could be worth a shot.



I replaced the hoses tonight, check out the condition of the old lines:

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn240/ctsv510/IMG_20120416_211901.jpg
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http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn240/ctsv510/IMG_20120416_211815.jpg

Unbelievable...that rubber boot just held in the moisture and rotted them away. The one was completely destroyed, and the other just barely hanging on.

Here is the new design:

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn240/ctsv510/IMG_20120416_173754.jpg


Also, the other side of the hose that connects to the hard brake line was also on it's way out so both ends are suspect.

Andringa
04-17-12, 01:33 AM
CTSV_510 thanks for the follow up pictures of your brake lines. Scary to think that those could have failed at anytime.

I'm very disappointed in how this has been handled by Cadillac. No excuse for people driving around with defective brake lines on a performance car.

DDS rollin a CTS
04-17-12, 06:48 PM
I had an 03 cts before I got the v. I had those front brake lines break on me TWO different times WHILE driving. Most of yo have no idea how freaky it is to be driving along, hit the brakes, and the pedal just goes to the floor while you keep sailing along. Since I daily drive the v year round I tried to get mine replaced under warranty but they refused, insisting that while the part number is the same, the orientation of the line is different thus preventing the rusting problem seen on the recalled cars. I have a set of the ss lines from tirerack but haven't installed them yet. I definitely will be getting them put on now.