: UPDATED - Extreme Composites Hood - Group Buy Opportunity



FuzzyLogic
04-08-12, 11:17 AM
For those of you just tuning in, I've been working to arrange a group buy for the Extreme Composites hood, pictured below. We have 9 definite orders right now, which means that, at the minimum, we'll be receiving a $150 discount on both the vented and unvented versions of their hood. This brings the price down from $750 / $900 for the unvented / vented models to a much more reasonable $600 / $750.

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Anyway: I talked to the owner of Extreme Composites on Thursday afternoon.

To be more precise, I grilled him for about 30 minutes on the pricing of this hood relative to their other hoods, the lack of details on his website, their manufacturing capabilities, installation procedures, product quality, and shipping costs.

He seems like a very honest, down to Earth guy. Apparently, Extreme Composities does most of its business within the aviation industry, which makes the automotive hood business a side project of sorts. Their maximum production rate for hoods varies based on the aviation workload that they have at the time, but generally speaking, they can turn out one CTS-V hood every 1-2 days. Therefore, if we get 10 people to buy in simultaneously, it might take 20 days for them to finish the last guy's hood. There is no formal warranty other than a promise to make things right if anything ever goes wrong on one of their products.

While I was on the phone with him, he weighed one of the CTS-V hoods with vents that he was finishing up for another customer. 26 lbs and a few ounces. Based on my research online, I believe that the CTS-V hood weighs 20.2 lbs bare. Speaking of bare, the hood comes pre-tapped (standard M6) for mounting in the car and also includes the taps for mounting the hydraulics on both sides. The places for the holes to mount the upper chrome trim piece are not marked and must be drilled by the user. He stated that it was obvious where the holes needed to be drilled and that it was a straightforward process.

The reason why this hood costs several hundred dollars more than their other hoods, he claims, is that this is a much higher quality product and is not a Cadillac tax. Apparently, they use better materials and take far more time putting these hoods together than they do with their standard hoods. Based on my research online, I've been able to find very old (2006-2007ish) LS1Tech and Cadillac Forum posts that indicate that this hood used to have fit and finish issues, but that EC revised their design and the new hood is better.

Other miscellaneous questions / responses: when asked about making a carbon fiber variant, he said that they're actually getting into carbon fiber, but that the mold/process for this hood is not compatible with it. When asked about a bigger discount if we get even more people (12+), he said that he might be able to knock off another $25-50, but that he'd have to talk to his wife, Mona. No, they won't prep or prime the hood any more than it already is.

Their ordering process is relatively informal: you call them to set up the order. They build the hood and charge your credit card either the day before or the day that it ships. Shipping is straightforward for them, but not so much for us. They have a Fedex account and always ship via Fedex Ground with the Collect on Delivery option. I asked him to estimate shipping costs to Washington, Wisconsin, and Connecticut to give us an idea of what our shipping costs will be. He hasn't gotten back to me yet, so I'm in the midst of writing an email to Mona to ask for shipping estimates and more pictures (if more pictures are available).

After talking to him for a while about group buy arrangements, here's what we settled on:

We (you, me, and everyone else on LS1Tech and Cadillac Forums) set a deadline. The discount that we receive will depend on the number of orders received up to that date. Personally, I want to get the ball rolling on this, so I'm going to vote that we set the deadline to Friday, April 19th. Once that date is passed, the discount will be locked in, but other people can still order and receive the discount for a couple of weeks (I'll have to get that time nailed down more exactly)--however, those orders will not be able to increase the discount. The reason behind this strange arrangement is that on the day after the deadline passes, he has to order certain supplies for the hoods. Until all of those supplies come in, he apparently has some flexibility to modify/increase some of his parts orders and prep for additional work. Once all of the parts come in, the discount opportunity is gone and they'll pipeline the hood manufacturing process to get them out the door ASAP, which also reduces their production costs.

Questions for you:

1. Are you okay with Friday, April 19th, or would you like to set another date? We don't have to order on that day, but we all have to order BEFORE the end of whatever day we choose. After that, give or take a couple of weeks, he'll begin pushing out hoods.

2. Are the unknowns regarding the total cost or difficulty in getting this hood installed preventing you from wanting to buy it?

3. If you're definitely interested, please specify which hood you're interested in in order to establish an appropriate headcount. Right now, based on a massive slew of PMs and emails, this is what I've got (if you see your name here and want to change your status, chime in!):


From the LS1Tech Forums
FuzzyLog1c - Definite VENTS
kl2onik - Definite VENTS
NeverSatisfied02 - Definite NO VENTS
JayBirdWs6 - Definite NO VENTS
branland - Definite VENTS
DenaliXTC - Definite VENTS
psychobillycaddy - Definite NO VENTS

veee8 - Possible - in the midst of a Whipple installation and needs to check fitment.
nfl2008 - Possible
punishmentcycle - Possible
wcryan - Possible
06blackonblackctsv - Possible
big_reg - Possible
94LT1TA6spd - Possible
lollygagger8 - Possible
AAIIIC - Possible

jcollege - OUT.
54inches - OUT. Spending money on HP+ mods.
itsslow98 - OUT. Sold his CTS-V 2 months ago.
SSmokd_U - OUT. Is at his budget for mods right now.
toomanytoyz - OUT. Had to choose between the Forgestar F14 deal and this one.
9t8z28 - OUT. Thinks that the EC hood is too risky, considering the lack of real-world feedback.


From the Cadillac Forums
Tackelbarry - Definite VENTS
jweymar - Definite NO VENTS

NY's Caddy - Possible
Tweeter81 - Possible
06BlackV - Possible
Pho_Phizzat - Possible
dac675 - Possible
thebigjimsho - Possible

Edit: Please note that the hood does not include the chrome trim piece (technically called the "front molding"). You'll have to use the one from your existing hood, or order a new one. I've got a spare one right here...part number 88892947. $60 from GMPartsDirect. Comes with the bolts and nuts you need.

jweymar
04-08-12, 12:37 PM
Im in but fyi I am going without vents (i want them but just think it looks better without them)

FuzzyLogic
04-08-12, 01:06 PM
Im in but fyi I am going without vents (i want them but just think it looks better without them)

Roger that. Post updated.

cutter5o
04-08-12, 01:29 PM
Every time I look at that pic of the black car without vents I want to open my wallet. Lets get this done....and thanks Fuzzy for putting the effort in.

thebigjimsho
04-08-12, 04:22 PM
Sorry if I gave you the impression I was in on this.

I have a buyer on my '04 and that needs bodywork, including a new hood. I'll contact him on this and see what he thinks...

Tackelbarry
04-08-12, 06:17 PM
Fuzzy,
I am definately in, but am still going between the non-vented vs. the vented hood. I like the vented better, however, I am starting to lean towards the non-vented hood to reduce the risk of the vents not being frenched in properly. So far, I have only been able to find one body shop willing to take on the project. I am going to take some pictures to the body shop, and check out their facilities this week, so they can give me an estimate for both style hoods.
Do you need to know which hood we want in advance or is this something we tell them when we call in? Thanks again for all your work on this project!
PS. I have no preference on the date, just let me know.

FuzzyLogic
04-08-12, 07:03 PM
We don't need to know what kind of hood in advance. I asked for that information merely as a metric.

alradco
04-09-12, 02:02 AM
That's a great looking hood. Very aggressive styling without being over the top.

FuzzyLogic
04-09-12, 11:54 AM
Major update: you can start ordering now. Production will start immediately.

The deadline will be the 15th or the 19th (not established yet). Billing will be based on total orders received by the deadline. Please post when you've ordered so we can keep track.

Also, note: the grille provided for the vents will be a diamond mesh. Jim agreed to purchase a CTS-V front trim piece and drill the holes in the front of the hood so you don't have to.

Tackelbarry
04-10-12, 08:29 AM
Has anyone else been given an estimate to have the hood prepped, painted and installed? The only person that I found within 30 miles of me that willl agree too do the work wants $900.00 for the non-vented hood and $1100.00 for the vented hood. They said they will have to blend in with the top of the fenders for the best match. My car is silver which is considered a very forgiving color. Does this seem high?

FoD
04-10-12, 08:54 AM
Has anyone else been given an estimate to have the hood prepped, painted and installed? The only person that I found within 30 miles of me that willl agree too do the work wants $900.00 for the non-vented hood and $1100.00 for the vented hood. They said they will have to blend in with the top of the fenders for the best match. My car is silver which is considered a very forgiving color. Does this seem high?

Seems quite high to me. I have a few calls in around me (Charlotte) to get an estimate as well. My '05 V is Red. I also have a spoiler to match and install.

Tackelbarry
04-10-12, 09:18 AM
FoD,
Let me know when your estimates come in , just to see if mine is in-line. On another note will you be at the Charlotte Auto Fair at the Speedway on April 20th? It would be nice to meet some other local-ish V owners.
I will be there in the in-field because the auction company will be trying to auction/sell my 1969 Firebird convertible.

FoD
04-10-12, 04:22 PM
I'll have to check and see if I'll be in town. I'll let you know. No room in my garage for the Firebird...but she is a beaut!

FuzzyLogic
04-10-12, 04:44 PM
Ordered today. Unvented. I switched from vented to unvented because of the cost and difficulty inherent in installing the vents.

Quick tip: you can save big (~$60) on shipping if you instruct Extreme Composites to ship to your nearest FedEx hub and pick it up there when it arrives.

cutter5o
04-10-12, 07:48 PM
Ordered today no vents.

FuzzyLogic
04-11-12, 11:54 AM
Update: 4 confirmed orders with two more on the way today.

Tackelbarry
04-12-12, 08:29 PM
I may or may not be in at this point. If anyone knows of a shop that does show quality work, with fiberglass, please p.m. me. I have had luck finding only one shop, but they cannot provide any references, work that I can see in person, and their price seems very high. It is also a two man shop and they said that my car would be there for 4 days and outside at night. Not comforting thoughts. As you can see from my Firebird pictured above, it has to be done properly. And, the shop, that did my Firebird, was honest enough to let me know they were not comfortable trying to duplicate that quality with fiberglass. Thanks in advance.

tweeter81
04-12-12, 09:26 PM
I'm out. Never was in. Don't need another hood.

But, good luck to everyone who does this. Your cars are going to look 100% more badass.

As for paint and prep cost, from personal experience, plan on spending AT LEAST $500 for a professional bodyshop to do the work.

Cheers, everyone!

FuzzyLogic
04-12-12, 09:40 PM
Update: we're up to 7 confirmed orders. One more to hit the next discount bracket!

cutter5o
04-14-12, 05:51 PM
I may or may not be in at this point. If anyone knows of a shop that does show quality work, with fiberglass, please p.m. me. I have had luck finding only one shop, but they cannot provide any references, work that I can see in person, and their price seems very high. It is also a two man shop and they said that my car would be there for 4 days and outside at night. Not comforting thoughts. As you can see from my Firebird pictured above, it has to be done properly. And, the shop, that did my Firebird, was honest enough to let me know they were not comfortable trying to duplicate that quality with fiberglass. Thanks in advance.

What about a vinyl wrap? I was thinking about wrapping my car anyways and figured I could save a few by just spraying the hood and then wrapping it. Anyone with legit vinyl wrap knowledge can provide any input? It could make getting one of these hoods very affordable if you cant find a decent paint shop.

Tackelbarry
04-14-12, 09:00 PM
Even though there are six confirmed orders at this time, I am in. I found a shop that is very good and willing to do the work. To keep it simple, I am ordering the non-vented hood. Fuzzylogic also informed me that there was another person on LS1techforum that was waitiing to make sure we had (8) buyers, as was I, so we could get the $150.00 discount. I will place my order on Monday morning. Between the two of us, if the other person is good to his word, we will have (8).
I am really looking forward to this upgrade!

Tackelbarry
04-16-12, 09:16 AM
Fuzzylogic,
I just ordered my non-vented hood. According to Mona we have (7) confirmed orders. Please let the other person know, that was waiting, that he will be number (8) and we will get the $150.00 discount. Thanks.

FuzzyLogic
04-16-12, 12:02 PM
Roger that. I'm writing to him now.

FuzzyLogic
04-16-12, 06:05 PM
We definitely hit 8 today with number 9 on the way.

If we make it to 12, we may get another $50 off. The deadline is the 19th, so if you want to order, do it soon!

jweymar
04-17-12, 01:38 AM
Ordered today