: V2 Black Raven sedan with new wheels - pics



jb_bgg
02-16-12, 09:46 PM
Forgestar F14's, machine finish face, piano black lip, windows and barrel.

Front - 20X9 with 275/35/20 Hankook Evo V12's, Rear 20X10.5 with 285/30/20 Evo's. Car is bone stock and not lowered. Couldn't get the offsets to work with a 9.5 inch front.

Front sidewall is about 1/4 inch past the fender looking top to bottom, a tad less on the rear so it doesn't look overly aggressive (IMO.) 1 1/2" space from top of front tire to fender. 2 1/2" for the rear. Really wanted to do a taller 295/35/20 rear but was informed by several sources the extra inch diameter would have wreaked havoc with MRC, not to mention the speedo. 305/30/20 was the other option I wanted but those are limited and pricey, and some mfg's don't have the matching 275 fronts. Haven't had a chance to do much spirited driving yet, but with the little I have done it does feel like it sets and turns in much better with the extra bite in the front.

Thoughts and opinions?

https://picasaweb.google.com/108326956480602629094/20120216?authkey=Gv1sRgCLCrt92UnISZUQ#

Bigron
02-16-12, 10:38 PM
Wheels look good, but the rear sidewall looks real skinny. How much they run?

youknooow
02-16-12, 10:56 PM
SWEET! You HAVE to lower the vehicle to complete the look! To my knowledge, the CTS-V's run "thicker" tires for a lack of a better term, than STS-V's.... I have 20's all around with 35 series tires, why are you only running 30 series tire in the rear?

thebigjimsho
02-16-12, 11:31 PM
SWEET! You HAVE to lower the vehicle to complete the look! To my knowledge, the CTS-V's run "thicker" tires for a lack of a better term, than STS-V's.... I have 20's all around with 35 series tires, why are you only running 30 series tire in the rear?

Because he's running the proper size.

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At least on the back. His front size is weird...

youknooow
02-17-12, 12:02 AM
Because he's running the proper size.

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At least on the back. His front size is weird...


I thought the CTS-Vs had 40 45 series tires from the factory, but they have 35 series w/19s ie why hes running 30 series with twanks

jb_bgg
02-17-12, 01:22 AM
Overall Diameter was the issue in the rear; stock 285/35/19's are 26.9"; 285/35/20's are 27.9", and several sources told me even though it'll fit with the extra inch taller Mag Ride Control won't work properly, and of course the speedo will also be off given the 30 revs per mile difference between the two. The 285/30/20 is within .1" of the stock overall diameter, but it does look shorter given the size of the wheel, I suppose.

youknooow, factory is 45 series front and 40 rear on 19" wheels. When you increase wheel size you have to decrease series size to maintain overall diameter. Did take the fronts from 255 to 275 and perhaps it's a tad over the top, but so far I do like the way it rides and handles. Not enough spirited miles to know for sure yet. Don't really want to lower it, but it may come to that.

thebigjimsho
02-17-12, 09:23 AM
Factory sizes are:

255/40 19 F
285/35 19 R

jb_bgg
02-17-12, 12:23 PM
BJS is correct; my error.

SoCalCTSV
02-17-12, 01:09 PM
I'm not feeling the wheels but maybe it's the angle.

Cub Cadet
02-17-12, 01:16 PM
Wheels look good. I like the fit of the front tire to the wheel, but the rear could have been a size or two wider.

baabootoo
02-17-12, 03:40 PM
Yeah, just drop the rear like most of us do, and you'll be fine. I took 1/2 coil from each side, and it made a nice difference w/o a bit of hassle for thousands of miles.

jb_bgg
02-17-12, 03:57 PM
May have to. I definitely don't want to deal with squeaks, rough/stiff ride, sacrifice handling, etc....

youknooow
02-17-12, 07:39 PM
May have to. I definitely don't want to deal with squeaks, rough/stiff ride, sacrifice handling, etc....

You definetly went the right route and did proper sizing... I can't speak to the effects of lowering a V2 (lowering a STS-V really sharpens it up, while maintaining a great ride), but I'm pretty sure it would look good.

rednumbers
02-20-12, 01:40 AM
First set of forge stars on a V. Looks great and aggressive offsets. A good drop will make it look great.


How are the hankook. Heard great reviews and picking a set up for my new 20s

Cub Cadet
02-20-12, 08:56 AM
His front size is weird...

I completely disagree - the front is the perfect fit and looks awesome!! The tread is a bit wider than the wheel and it looks PERFECT.

jb_bgg
02-20-12, 12:26 PM
Rednumbers, there were Hankooks on the stock wheels when I bought the car and I'd guess they had about 10-12K on 'em at the time. I got another 10K and that included 4 track days at California Speedway. Good grip, quiet tire, need some extra pressure for the track, overall very good tire for the price, and sidewalls a bit more square than PS2's. No complaints whatsoever, except it would have been nice if they made a 305/30/20 or even a 295/30/20...

rednumbers
02-20-12, 05:42 PM
Ya I heard great things about them also. It's hard going bigger than 295 with going to a 25 series.


I have 305/30/19 on my stock wheels and you would most likely need to go with the 25 series with the 20s. Had 25 series on all my other cars and pretty much bent every single wheel

jb_bgg
02-20-12, 06:36 PM
30 series on a 20 wheel will work as OD is the same; problem is finding good tires in that size with matching fronts I wanted.

velopod
02-20-12, 06:57 PM
First set of forge stars on a V. Looks great and aggressive offsets. A good drop will make it look great.


How are the hankook. Heard great reviews and picking a set up for my new 20s

Nope, not the first set ... just the first set on this site ;-) Posted mine on the "other site" a while ago ...86899

rednumbers
02-20-12, 10:44 PM
Ok first set of 20s

thebigjimsho
02-21-12, 07:43 AM
I completely disagree - the front is the perfect fit and looks awesome!! The tread is a bit wider than the wheel and it looks PERFECT.

Again, you spew your lack of tire knowledge.

275/30 20 would be closer to the right fit. He's running a tire bigger in front than the back. It's odd, like you...

Cub Cadet
02-21-12, 10:55 AM
Mr. Jim - I am not sure that you fully understand where I am coming from. All that I am concerned with is TIRE WIDTH versus WHEEL WIDTH. The stock 255 Michelin is NOT wide enough for the wheel. I have shown you what I meant and I am curious why you do not see that. The 275 wide tire that this gentleman put on the front of his car is JUST PERFECT! I am throwing out the OD, and just concentrating on width. This car needs that wide of a tire to fit on the front 9.5" wide wheel.

thebigjimsho
02-21-12, 11:08 AM
It's not perfect if it is messing up Stabilitrak...

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And I know exactly what you're talking about with a 255 tire not being wide enough. But since you only care bout looks, I see it is nothing about performance. You only care about looks. So if you want to give advice about how a V looks, have at it.

But stay out of the performance side of things...

Cub Cadet
02-21-12, 11:51 AM
Did anyone say that it would interfere with the Stabilitrak operation? I have tires that are 1" in OD smaller than stock and have no issues whatsoever. The programming has been adjusted for the tire size (very easy), and my Stabilitrak functions EXCATLY how it did when new. I can toggle through the differnt stages and the car does what it is supposed to. Also, it did what it was supposed to in the snow and ice. Changing tire size is OK and can be updated in the tuning so that EVERYTHING works fine.

We agree to disagree. You like the tire stretched to fit the width of the rim (tread width narrower than wheel width). I like the tread width equal to or wider than the wheel width. I have never had any issues autocrossing or tracking a vehicle with this type of setup, so I am not sure why you say performance is lost.

To the OP - Sorry I hijacked the thread. Your car looks nice and I want to wish you good luck with it. The 20" wheel size opens up so many more options for tires of all different varieties. If I was going to keep my car (and maybe still will), then maybe I would upgrade to something similar to what you have. Your car does look very nice!

thebigjimsho
02-21-12, 01:14 PM
Well his front and rears don't match the correct ratio to stock. While the rear tire is about even with the stock, the front is bigger. Reverse rake, as it were. They are not properly staggered.

If anything, the OP should've gone with 285/30 20 all around.

tabio42
02-24-12, 12:37 PM
Wow. You guys are shitting on this guy's cereal. Those wheels are too small anyways :-P

OP - Looks good. Mine are at iForged waiting for me to pick them up. I went with 20x9 and 20x11. I will be using 315/30/20 R888's in the rear, probably 265/35/20 Continental DW in the front. Overall diameter can pound sand. I see mine as overgearing the car.

thebigjimsho
02-25-12, 12:02 PM
Why are you mixing tires like that?

tabio42
02-25-12, 03:35 PM
I couldn't get a 9.5 or 10 inch width in the front with the f14 wheel. So the 285 r888 (only other size in 20) is not an option for the front. The conti is stickier than the t1r, which is toyo's stickiest street tire in 20 (I think). Im open to tire suggestions but I need some rear end grip. 1st and 2nd are completely useless with the stock tires.

thebigjimsho
02-26-12, 02:08 AM
I hear ya.

jb_bgg
02-27-12, 12:38 PM
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Dropped the rear by an inch with Eibachs... did not reverse rake and sits well IMO.

tabio42
03-04-12, 10:57 AM
What offsets are your wheels?

jb_bgg
03-04-12, 10:37 PM
Don't know for certain from this builder, but there are posts on here from other builders with the offsets. If I can find my notes from previous searches I'll let you know.

tabio42
03-08-12, 01:53 PM
Could you post a detailed shot of the front wheels to show how far the tire sticks past the wheel?