: My Trifecta ECM/TCM tuning experience - 2010 CTS-4 3.6L DI Wagon



Wag-O-Neer
02-10-12, 03:32 PM
After spending some time in this forum, as well as the Camaro forums, I've decided to go ahead and pull the trigger on the Trifecta ECM/TCM tune, commonly referred to as a Vince Tune, as Vince Geglia is the owner/operator of Trifecta Performance and custom writes each tune that goes out his door.


So, why do I want a tune? Well quite honestly, I'm addicted. Every car I own has been tuned in some way or another, all with great results. My 2010 AWD CTS Wagon, equipped with the 3.6L DI engine and 6sp auto slushbox, is in need of a kick in the pants. While the car is rated at 304bhp, it feels like it only has 2/3 of that. I believe the reason is more related to the crappy OE calibration of the TCM, more than it is about the calibration of the ECM. I don't know about your CTS, but mine is ALWAYS wanting to find 6th gear just as quick as it possibly can. So when a call for power is made from your right foot, it's not there. You have to wait for the car to downshift, spool up the revs, make a bunch of noise in the process, and then you're finally moving forward at a quicker pace. I don't like this. So now what? Well, a Trifecta ECM/TCM tune is what.


With only modest power gains, the real value in this tune is the ability to predefine at what speed you'd like to upshift/downshift at, and how firm/quick you'd like that event to take place. So, for normal A6 mode, you could keep the OE calibrations in effect, and unleash hell when you move the gearshifter into the "sport" position. However, that's not the approach I'm going to take. I'm going to have normal A6 shift points moved upwards so that the car holds steady in it's power band at each gear, but I won't change the firmness of the shifts. I'll call this "wife mode". But in sport mode, I'll have the shift points raised, I'll have throttle blip on downshifts like it does in manual mode, and I'll have it stepped up to the firmest/quickest shift allowable. I'll call this "Daddy Mode".

Another selling point of this tune is if I mod the car in the future, say an intake and/or exhaust, then a retune is free. This allows you to take full benefit of any hardware mods you may add at a later date.

I'll have the ECM timing advanced to take advantage of 93 octane, and I'll have it leaned out just a hair, but keeping the A/F ratio within safe limits. These cars are equipped with very advanced knock sensors, so I'm not really worried about detonation. Plus, we're not going to tune it aggressively enough to put the car in any real danger. And let's be honest here, we're talking about a naturally aspirated V6, not a Biturbo V12. It'd be pretty tough to mess up a tune on this engine.

Another nifty feature of the this tune, is the ability to reset the learning transmission adaptives. This is a particularly useful feature when the car has been driven as a daily commuter. Even though we're tuning the TCM, the adaptive nature of the tranny is still in play. So, it'll adapt itself accordingly, but on a sliding scale from our tuning points vs. OE calibrations. As part of your purchase, you'll download a software interface to your laptop, that when connected to your ECM via the OBD cable, you can reset the tranny adaptations with the click of a button. Neat.

There's also the "Ghost Cam" feature, that's available for the 3.6L DI. It's a gimmicky thing that allows you to click a sequence of buttons on the steering wheel, and enable a lopey idle, just as if the car had a big cam in it. You can preset how agressive you'd like it to lope, but I think this is probably more for the Camaro guys than the Caddy guys. Nonetheless, it's there if you want it.

I'm using Bad News Racing as the reseller for the tune. It's cheaper to purchase through them, then going direct to Vince and Trifecta. I paid $460, including the tuning cable needed to write the .net code to the car's CAN-BUS. Jerry, the owner of BNR, has been outstanding with communicating to me what to expect, what not to expect, and has always replied to my emails within 24 hrs.

I plan on updating this thread at each milestone to chronicle everything from purchasing experience to my thoughts on the tune, post install

2/8/11 - Purchased tune and cable via Bad News Racing's website, and received verification email

2/9/11 - Received email stating that order has been placed with Trifecta, and cable will be shipped directly from them. Tune will be developed and emailed to me.

bojangle
02-11-12, 10:22 AM
i have mine on the way so please keep me posted! thanks for the write up

kingtj
02-11-12, 11:53 AM
I didn't know anything about that "ghost cam" feature. Was that something Jerry told you about in conversation? It wasn't in a menu on the software to select/de-select or anything, that I recall? Like you say, it's just a gimmick, but I was just curious if it's only something I can enable if I request a special firmware from him with it in there?

loosend
02-11-12, 07:16 PM
You can get this as an update but beware that some of the guys on the Camaro site were having a few issues with it. You can get it in a few different lopes from mild to wild and what it does is drop cylinders at idle and then all cylinders respond when you accelerate. I think some people were getting a stall here and there and they might have fixed all the bugs by now.

Wag-O-Neer
02-11-12, 07:28 PM
You can get this as an update but beware that some of the guys on the Camaro site were having a few issues with it. You can get it in a few different lopes from mild to wild and what it does is drop cylinders at idle and then all cylinders respond when you accelerate. I think some people were getting a stall here and there and they might have fixed all the bugs by now.

Correct. Some of the camaros with remote start were seeing some bugs too, but an update cane out a few weeks ago and everything seems to have been worked out.

sfv41901
02-11-12, 10:15 PM
I like the sound of this.

tinman
02-13-12, 03:34 PM
Has anyone here gone this route?

tinman
02-14-12, 09:25 AM
I mean this next statement with all due respect to Wag-O-Neer. The prose is admirable, I agree. Are there any documented results?

Wag-O-Neer
02-14-12, 10:17 AM
I not too long ago came across your write-up and have been reading along. I wish to express my admiration of your writing ability and capability to create readers read from the starting for the finish. I'd like to read newer posts and to share my thoughts with you.

Thanks. I get so frustrated, at times, reading posts that contain mostly "text lingo", that I try to make mine sound like my education was worth something. I'll keep this thread running with updates, as they happen. OMG, I mean WTF.....right? ;)


I mean this next statement with all due respect to Wag-O-Neer. The prose is admirable, I agree. Are there any documented results?

Yes sir. There's a few 3.6L DI Caddy folks running this tune, as I type this. All have varying degree of praise for the product. But, if you search the Camaro forums, most notably the camaro5.com forum, you'll find hours of reading on the subject. As you know the 3.6DI engine in that car, is the same as ours, so they've pioneered and guinea pigged a lot, for our benefit. I can't recall the number exactly, but Vince and BNR both mentioned that they have tuned roughly 350 or so 3.6LDI engines.

I have data logging equipment that I use for some of my other vehicles, so I'll be able to take pre/post logs and see what's what. I probably won't dyno it, though. But I'll be able to look at timing, as well as use applications that utilize the accelerometer in my iPhone, to get 0-60, 1/4 mile, HP and TQ figures. It won't be exact, but as long as I use the same tool to sample both the pre tune, and post tune data, the delta should be accurate.....(ish) :)

tinman
02-14-12, 10:30 AM
Thanks for the response.

Wag-O-Neer
02-14-12, 02:24 PM
Thanks for the response.

Yes sir.



UPDATE:


I plan on updating this thread at each milestone to chronicle everything from purchasing experience to my thoughts on the tune, post install

2/8/11 - Purchased tune and cable via Bad News Racing's website, and received verification email

2/9/11 - Received email stating that order has been placed with Trifecta, and cable will be shipped directly from them. Tune will be developed and emailed to me.

2/13/11 - Received email from Vince, after inquiring about the shipment date of the cable, stating that the cable was shipped on 2/10/11

2/14/11 - Received email from Vince stating that the tune will be written and delivered electronically today, via email.

WRXtranceformed
02-15-12, 08:31 AM
Great writeup Wag. I am really curious to hear how the tune feels. I can definitely feel this engine holding back as well.

I am enjoying seeing some more well written / informative posts on here as this is one of the more anemic boards I have been a part of as far as technical info / DIY writeups. Keep it coming!

Wag-O-Neer
02-19-12, 10:14 AM
UPDATE: Sorry it's been a few days since my last update. I've been getting one of my other cars race-ready for a 1/4 mile event that happened yesterday. Here's the latest:


I plan on updating this thread at each milestone to chronicle everything from purchasing experience to my thoughts on the tune, post install

2/8/11 - Purchased tune and cable via Bad News Racing's website, and received verification email

2/9/11 - Received email stating that order has been placed with Trifecta, and cable will be shipped directly from them. Tune will be developed and emailed to me.

2/13/11 - Received email from Vince, after inquiring about the shipment date of the cable, stating that the cable was shipped on 2/10/11

2/14/11 - Received email from Vince stating that the tune will be written and delivered electronically today, via email.

2/16/11 - Received tuning cable in mail and also received correspondence from Vince apologizing about the delay in emailing my tune. Apparently, he's away from his shop and he's not able to get my base ECM and TCM files from GM. He did say that if I went ahead and pulled the stock files from my ECM/TCM using his cable, and the EZ Flash software, he'd write the tune on the spot and email it back to me. Or, I could wait until he's back in the office on Tuesday and he'd be able to pull my files from GM. Since I've been busy getting ready for race day, I decided to just wait and have him pull the files.



However, I did get a chance to do some baseline data logging with my own equipment. I'll post that info up here shortly.

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Here's a 3rd gear pull I did, to take logs of timing advance, pre-tune. I should note that car has been running 93 octane for the past 3 fill ups.

Looks like at 6K RPM, the stock file is running (positive)20 degrees of timing. You can also see the car pull 4* at 5220 rpm.


datetime Timing Advance RPM
06:40.6 36 2543.75
06:40.7 18 2543.75
06:40.8 18 2542
06:40.9 17 2619
06:41.0 17 2619
06:41.1 24.5 2626.75
06:41.2 24.5 2626.75
06:41.3 12 2739.75
06:41.4 12 2739.75
06:41.6 12 2669
06:41.7 12 2669
06:41.8 12.5 2727
06:41.9 12.5 2727
06:42.0 12.5 2772.75
06:42.1 12.5 2772.75
06:42.2 12.5 2831.25
06:42.3 13.5 2831.25
06:42.4 13.5 2876.5
06:42.5 13.5 2924
06:42.6 13.5 2924
06:42.7 13.5 2967.5
06:42.8 13.5 2967.5
06:42.9 15 3033.25
06:43.1 15 3033.25
06:43.2 15 3081
06:43.3 15 3081
06:43.4 15 3138.25
06:43.5 15.5 3138.25
06:43.6 15.5 3175
06:43.7 16.5 3175
06:43.8 16.5 3232.25
06:43.9 17 3232.25
06:44.0 17 3269
06:44.1 17 3269
06:44.3 17 3332.5
06:44.4 17 3332.5
06:44.5 17 3385
06:44.6 18 3385
06:44.7 18 3425.25
06:45.8 18 3425.25
06:45.9 17 3699.75
06:46.0 17 3743.25
06:46.2 18 3743.25
06:46.3 18 3813.25
06:46.4 18.5 3813.25
06:46.5 18.5 3872.5
06:46.6 18.5 3872.5
06:46.7 17 3920.25
06:46.8 17 3920.25
06:46.9 16.5 3973.75
06:47.0 16.5 3973.75
06:47.1 16.5 4031.25
06:47.2 16.5 4031.25
06:47.4 16.5 4031.25
06:47.5 16.5 4082.5
06:47.6 16.5 4082.5
06:47.7 16.5 4149
06:47.8 16.5 4149
06:47.9 16.5 4206.5
06:48.0 16.5 4206.5
06:48.1 18 4257
06:48.2 18 4257
06:48.3 18.5 4306
06:48.4 18.5 4306
06:48.6 18.5 4306
06:50.0 20 4345.5
06:50.1 20 4683.75
06:50.2 20 4683.75
06:50.3 20 4743.5
06:50.4 20 4743.5
06:50.6 20 4794.75
06:50.7 20 4794.75
06:50.8 20 4849
06:50.9 20 4849
06:51.0 20 4913.25
06:51.1 20 4913.25
06:51.2 21 4963.75
06:51.3 21 4963.75
06:51.4 21 4963.75
06:51.5 21 5011.5
06:51.6 21 5011.5
06:51.7 21 5070.75
06:51.8 21 5070.75
06:51.9 21 5125
06:52.1 21 5125
06:52.2 21 5125
06:52.3 21 5173.25
06:52.4 21 5173.25
06:52.5 21 5220.75
06:52.6 17 5220.75
06:52.7 17 5262.25
06:52.9 18 5262.25
06:53.0 18 5323.25
06:53.1 18 5323.25
06:53.2 18 5363.75
06:53.3 18 5363.75
06:53.4 18 5419.75
06:53.5 18 5419.75
06:53.6 18 5419.75
06:53.7 18 5473
06:53.8 18 5473
06:53.9 18 5514.5
06:54.1 18 5514.5
06:54.2 18 5568.75
06:54.3 18 5568.75
06:54.4 18 5603.5
06:54.5 18 5603.5
06:54.6 18.5 5654.75
06:54.7 18.5 5654.75
06:54.8 18.5 5695.75
06:54.9 18.5 5695.75
06:55.1 18.5 5695.75
06:55.2 18.5 5733
06:55.3 19.5 5780
06:55.4 19.5 5780
06:55.5 19.5 5780
06:55.6 19.5 5818.25
06:55.7 19.5 5818.25
06:55.8 19.5 5859.25
06:56.0 19.5 5859.25
06:56.1 19.5 5901.25
06:56.2 20 5901.25
06:56.3 20 5941.75
06:56.4 20 5941.75
06:56.5 20 5979
06:56.6 20 5979
06:56.7 20 6019.25
06:56.8 20 6019.25
06:57.0 20 6054.5
06:57.1 20 6054.5
06:57.2 -10.5 6054.5
06:57.3 -10.5 5901.25
06:57.4 -1 5901.25
06:57.5 -1 5908.75
06:57.6 5 5908.75

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I didn't know exact weight of the CTS4 Wagon, and I didn't know the drivetrain loss with an autobox, so I completely guessed at 3600lbs and 20% loss. I'm sure that why the calculated WHP number is off a bit. Doesn't really matter, I suppose. Hopefully after the tune, we should see bett 0-60 and 1/4 mile MPH.



http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t112/clickit_photo/28ed00d4.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t112/clickit_photo/b94afc89.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t112/clickit_photo/9bbcf7d8.jpg

beanjapan
02-19-12, 11:35 AM
The weight of the car correlates to the peak hp the app gives you (in addition to the driveline losses).

According to the cadillac website the CTS sport wagon comes in at a porkish, 4090 lbs w/ RWD, the AWD comes in at a whopping 4306 lbs. Plus add your body mass. :(
(I think the 2014 CTS will be better just based on mass alone, if its anything like the ATS which is <3400 lbs)

Also, I've used 10% losses for FWD, 15% for RWD and 25% for AWD. These results seem to correlate pretty well with the manufacturer's HP ratings (w/ these simple dyno apps).

Keep posting information though! You seriously can't post too much! Very exciting & Nice work

Wag-O-Neer
02-19-12, 12:23 PM
Good info on the weight, thanks! I'll recalibrate and try to get another pull.

New factors will be 4470 for weight w/driver and 25% DLT

Wag-O-Neer
02-19-12, 03:34 PM
Using new factors supplied by Beanjapan, I did another standing 1/4 mile. HP figure is very close to advertised number. The app I'm using isn't 100% accurate, but it's darn close. However, the dyno numbers aren't really the main thing for me, I'm more interested in my data logging figures above. Those values were recorded from the ECM, real time, using my scanning equipment. It's very accurate. I will have hard data as to exactly how much timing is added when I do apply the tune.

The dyno app thingy is just for fun, and is surprisingly accurate.


http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t112/clickit_photo/82f23c8e.jpg

sliderule01
02-19-12, 08:15 PM
That is a really cool app - I can see that it would be useful for skid pad and autocross.

kingtj
02-19-12, 08:59 PM
Yep... Dynolicious is a great little app. But just FYI (as someone with a little experience with it), a critical component of making it give useful/accurate results is figuring out how to mount your iPhone or iPod touch so it doesn't move around on its own. Even though it doesn't look great, a quick and practical solution might be industrial strength velcro tape to stick on the back of the phone and on a flat, level surface in the car like inside the center console glovebox. You need to be sure it doesn't slide forwards or backwards at all from the car accelerating or braking, or results will be off.

Wag-O-Neer
02-20-12, 11:04 AM
Yep... Dynolicious is a great little app. But just FYI (as someone with a little experience with it), a critical component of making it give useful/accurate results is figuring out how to mount your iPhone or iPod touch so it doesn't move around on its own. Even though it doesn't look great, a quick and practical solution might be industrial strength velcro tape to stick on the back of the phone and on a flat, level surface in the car like inside the center console glovebox. You need to be sure it doesn't slide forwards or backwards at all from the car accelerating or braking, or results will be off.

You're 100 correct. I've got a very sturdy windshield mount, that I mount low enough that the phone wedges against the dash. It's very solid and doesn't move it all.

But the dyno app is just for fun. I don't put an awful lot of stock into those numbers, it's just cool. I'm a born/bred drag racer, so my cars go to the track. Hell, a bunch of us rented out Maryland International Raceway on Saturday, for our private use. 1/4 mile MPH will tell me more about the tune than any dyno or smart phone app ever could. However, my timing logs on the previous page are very useful. I can tell exactly what he's doing with the tune, as far as spark advance. Since I have no plans of installing a wideband in this car, I'll never be able to read AFR, but not very worried about it on a non-boosted engine. They've got this tune running on tons of 3.6 Camaro's so I bet they've got the AFR dialed in pretty well.

I'll try to get it flashed in the next couple of days, and we'll see what's what. ;)

Wag-O-Neer
02-21-12, 08:14 PM
Tuning the car, as I type this. Yea!

We decided to just start with their basic "off the shelf" ECM/TCM tune and work from there.

I'll see how she runs/shifts with the basic calibrations first, then we'll tailor it as needed.

sfv41901
02-21-12, 08:35 PM
Sweet.

Wag-O-Neer
02-21-12, 09:41 PM
Just flashed it and reset tranny adaptation as well but did not enable the ghost cam.

Prior to flashing it, I pulled and saved the stock ECM and TCM files, just in case. It took about 20 minutes total to read both files. Flashing it took 10 minutes, and I enabled the transparency option.

Guys, first impression is it's worth every penny. The car feels totally different. It feels MUCH zippier and throttle tip-in is aggressive. The tranny shifts crisp in A6 mode at WOT and throttle blipping on auto downshifts is a nice touch. Driving at part throttle still gives you nice, comfy, lazy shifts, just like stock. You throw it into sport mode and not much changes at part throttle, but at WOT the car shifts like a '69 Chevelle with a hurst shift kit. Smiles.

So far so good, however, the car's fan is running a bit loudly at idle. It didn't do that initially after tune, so not sure what that's all about. I did beat on the car a little, but it had about 2 miles of very light throttle before I pulled back into my driveway. Maybe the car was just cooling itself down, but ambient temp right now is about 45*. I've sent a note to BNR already to see what they think. I'll drive it like I've got some sense tomorrow.

Happy customer at this point.

Ok, so according to my little dyno app, I dropped about 2 tenths off my 1/4 time. Take that with a grain of salt. But, if you look at the little graph, you can definitely see how firm she was shifting. Below is my pre-tune graph and post tune. Look at the difference in shift firmness. That's hard data fellas, not placebo.

I'll keep updating this for the next week or two with my opinion. I talked the wife into letting me take the car golfing tomorrow, so I'll have some seat time in her.

Pre-tune

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t112/clickit_photo/bd5a0a8c.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t112/clickit_photo/82f23c8e.jpg

Post tune

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t112/clickit_photo/d3379fbf.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t112/clickit_photo/574cce99.jpg

Forgive any grammatical errors, as I'm typing this from my iPhone.

beanjapan
02-22-12, 07:18 AM
Very very exciting and awesome write up! Interested in seeing what else you can do.

Let us know if you get the ghost cam feature working. Would be cool to hear a before and after.

tinman
02-22-12, 09:10 AM
Interesting. Keep the data flowing.

Wag-O-Neer
02-22-12, 10:30 AM
I'll try to shoot a short little video. Not really sure if the increase will translate to video, but it's worth a shot. I'll try to get you guys something by the end of the day. I'm sitting in a golf cart right now, waiting for my 4some to arrive. Fore!

cracing
02-22-12, 03:07 PM
Awesome work good sir! Followed from start to end of your thread and i am very interested in doing the tune as well only problem is I have a Mac will the flash work?

kingtj
02-22-12, 03:52 PM
I'm a Mac user myself. I can answer this one!

The software is written only for Microsoft Windows. But I didn't let that stop me. My Macbook Pro has a copy of VMware Fusion installed on it, with a Windows 7 image it runs. I was able to use their ez-flash software in the virtual environment to re-tune my CTS. You just have to make sure you tell it it give Windows control of your USB device(s), so it can talk to the OBDII programming cable properly.


Awesome work good sir! Followed from start to end of your thread and i am very interested in doing the tune as well only problem is I have a Mac will the flash work?

cracing
02-22-12, 03:58 PM
Nice will definitely look into that how is the tune treating you? Any issues?

Wag-O-Neer
02-22-12, 06:15 PM
I got an answer from Vince on the fan. He stated that they tune the car for the fan to come on at a lower temp, since the car is running a spicy file, now. They do it for safety, and if it becomes an annoyance, it can be written out of the tune, if I wish. As of now, I'm not messing with anything. The car is more exciting to drive, and I'm having some fun with her. It's my wife's car, so I'm going to toss her the keys back tonight, and we'll see if it passes the dreaded 'mommy test'. As we know, most of our wives/girlfriends will probably just put the thing in "D" and have at it. So, if she's happy with the way it's running in 'mommy mode', I'll leave it alone.

However, it looks like I'll be tinkering with it some more. Ported throttle body and intake manifold phenolic spacer is next up. With possibly a CAI to follow. Not sure if the CAI passes the 'mommy test', since it makes a little bit of noise, but we'll see.


So I took a quick little video to try and demonstrate the new shifting characteristics. It's a crude video, taken at the spur of the moment, so please ignore the amateur hour.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWeBao-G0WA

Filmed in 720P, for your pleasure.

SC2150
02-22-12, 07:12 PM
Vince was releasing a updated tune today....he writes the ones for our 3.6 twin turbo and super charged builds. Very talented.

Wag-O-Neer
02-23-12, 09:51 AM
[B]Here's a 3rd gear pull I did, to take logs of timing advance, pre-tune. I should note that car has been running 93 octane for the past 3 fill ups.

Looks like at 6K RPM, the stock file is running (positive)20 degrees of timing. You can also see the car pull 4* at 5220 rpm.


datetime Timing Advance RPM
06:40.6 36 2543.75
06:40.7 18 2543.75
06:40.8 18 2542
06:40.9 17 2619
06:41.0 17 2619
06:41.1 24.5 2626.75
06:41.2 24.5 2626.75
06:41.3 12 2739.75
06:41.4 12 2739.75
06:41.6 12 2669
06:41.7 12 2669
06:41.8 12.5 2727
06:41.9 12.5 2727
06:42.0 12.5 2772.75
06:42.1 12.5 2772.75
06:42.2 12.5 2831.25
06:42.3 13.5 2831.25
06:42.4 13.5 2876.5
06:42.5 13.5 2924
06:42.6 13.5 2924
06:42.7 13.5 2967.5
06:42.8 13.5 2967.5
06:42.9 15 3033.25
06:43.1 15 3033.25
06:43.2 15 3081
06:43.3 15 3081
06:43.4 15 3138.25
06:43.5 15.5 3138.25
06:43.6 15.5 3175
06:43.7 16.5 3175
06:43.8 16.5 3232.25
06:43.9 17 3232.25
06:44.0 17 3269
06:44.1 17 3269
06:44.3 17 3332.5
06:44.4 17 3332.5
06:44.5 17 3385
06:44.6 18 3385
06:44.7 18 3425.25
06:45.8 18 3425.25
06:45.9 17 3699.75
06:46.0 17 3743.25
06:46.2 18 3743.25
06:46.3 18 3813.25
06:46.4 18.5 3813.25
06:46.5 18.5 3872.5
06:46.6 18.5 3872.5
06:46.7 17 3920.25
06:46.8 17 3920.25
06:46.9 16.5 3973.75
06:47.0 16.5 3973.75
06:47.1 16.5 4031.25
06:47.2 16.5 4031.25
06:47.4 16.5 4031.25
06:47.5 16.5 4082.5
06:47.6 16.5 4082.5
06:47.7 16.5 4149
06:47.8 16.5 4149
06:47.9 16.5 4206.5
06:48.0 16.5 4206.5
06:48.1 18 4257
06:48.2 18 4257
06:48.3 18.5 4306
06:48.4 18.5 4306
06:48.6 18.5 4306
06:50.0 20 4345.5
06:50.1 20 4683.75
06:50.2 20 4683.75
06:50.3 20 4743.5
06:50.4 20 4743.5
06:50.6 20 4794.75
06:50.7 20 4794.75
06:50.8 20 4849
06:50.9 20 4849
06:51.0 20 4913.25
06:51.1 20 4913.25
06:51.2 21 4963.75
06:51.3 21 4963.75
06:51.4 21 4963.75
06:51.5 21 5011.5
06:51.6 21 5011.5
06:51.7 21 5070.75
06:51.8 21 5070.75
06:51.9 21 5125
06:52.1 21 5125
06:52.2 21 5125
06:52.3 21 5173.25
06:52.4 21 5173.25
06:52.5 21 5220.75
06:52.6 17 5220.75
06:52.7 17 5262.25
06:52.9 18 5262.25
06:53.0 18 5323.25
06:53.1 18 5323.25
06:53.2 18 5363.75
06:53.3 18 5363.75
06:53.4 18 5419.75
06:53.5 18 5419.75
06:53.6 18 5419.75
06:53.7 18 5473
06:53.8 18 5473
06:53.9 18 5514.5
06:54.1 18 5514.5
06:54.2 18 5568.75
06:54.3 18 5568.75
06:54.4 18 5603.5
06:54.5 18 5603.5
06:54.6 18.5 5654.75
06:54.7 18.5 5654.75
06:54.8 18.5 5695.75
06:54.9 18.5 5695.75
06:55.1 18.5 5695.75
06:55.2 18.5 5733
06:55.3 19.5 5780
06:55.4 19.5 5780
06:55.5 19.5 5780
06:55.6 19.5 5818.25
06:55.7 19.5 5818.25
06:55.8 19.5 5859.25
06:56.0 19.5 5859.25
06:56.1 19.5 5901.25
06:56.2 20 5901.25
06:56.3 20 5941.75
06:56.4 20 5941.75
06:56.5 20 5979
06:56.6 20 5979
06:56.7 20 6019.25
06:56.8 20 6019.25
06:57.0 20 6054.5
06:57.1 20 6054.5
06:57.2 -10.5 6054.5
06:57.3 -10.5 5901.25
06:57.4 -1 5901.25
06:57.5 -1 5908.75
06:57.6 5 5908.75

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Ok, so I did another data log, using my equipment, for a 3rd gear pull, just like the one above, which was when the car was stock. I know that it might just look like a bunch of jumbled up numbers to many, but for those that know what they're looking at, you can see what the Trifecta tune is doing, in regards to spark advance. I mentioned on the post above, that the car was pulling 4* of timing at 5220 RPM. And oddly enough, even the new tune pulls a couple degrees at the same place. I wonder if it's because IATs are rising, from the radiant heat of the cylinder head, and the ECM is pulling it. I guess I need to log IAT next time, to see. If so, then the phenolic intake spacer that I'm going to get from SC2150, should solve that problem.

Also, unfortunately, I don't plan on adding a wideband to the car, so I don't what my AFR is. Jerry says that Trifecta tunes it a little rich for safety, and I take him at his word. There's a few hundred Camaros running this same tune, and to date, I haven't heard/read of any of them having lean issues. As part of my agreement with SC2150, I'll do a pre/post dyno after installation of the phenolic spacer, so I'll be able to see AFR, using the standard tailpipe sniffer at the dyno shop.

Also, when you flash your car, Jerry from BNR and Vince ask you to do a data log, using their software, as soon as possible, just so they can see what's going on with the tune. I like the fact that they take a proactive approach like this, rather than wait for complaints, to look at logs. Just another reason why to choose BNR and Trifecta.

Just to confirm, pre-tune log above, and the post-tune log below, we're with 93 octane.


44:22.1 18 2659.75
44:22.2 18 2974
44:22.3 18.5 2974
44:22.4 18.5 3010.25
44:22.5 18.5 3010.25
44:22.6 18.5 3041.25
44:22.7 18.5 3041.25
44:22.8 18.5 3077.25
44:22.9 18.5 3077.25
44:23.0 18.5 3105.25
44:23.1 19.5 3105.25
44:23.2 19.5 3146.25
44:23.3 20 3146.25
44:23.4 20 3174.25
44:23.5 20 3174.25
44:23.6 20 3204.75
44:23.7 20 3204.75
44:23.8 20 3250.5
44:24.0 21 3250.5
44:24.1 21 3302
44:24.2 21 3302
44:24.3 21 3351.25
44:24.4 21 3351.25
44:24.5 21 3393.5
44:24.6 21.5 3393.5
44:24.7 21.5 3442.25
44:24.8 21.5 3442.25
44:24.9 21.5 3490.5
44:25.0 22.5 3490.5
44:25.1 22.5 3550.25
44:25.2 22.5 3550.25
44:25.3 22.5 3591.25
44:25.4 22.5 3591.25
44:25.5 23 3647.25
44:25.7 23 3647.25
44:25.8 24 3707.25
44:25.9 24 3707.25
44:26.0 24 3760.75
44:26.1 24 3760.75
44:26.3 24.5 3823
44:26.4 24.5 3823
44:26.5 25.5 3875.5
44:26.6 25.5 3875.5
44:26.7 24 3937.25
44:26.8 24 3937.25
44:26.9 24 3937.25
44:27.0 24 3990.25
44:27.1 24 3990.25
44:27.2 24 4053.25
44:27.3 24 4053.25
44:27.4 24.5 4129.5
44:27.5 24.5 4129.5
44:27.7 24.5 4188
44:27.8 24.5 4188
44:27.9 22.5 4188
44:28.0 22.5 4249.75
44:28.1 23 4249.75
44:28.2 23 4314.5
44:28.3 23 4314.5
44:29.6 23 4377.25
44:29.7 24 4690.5
44:29.8 24 4749.75
44:29.9 24 4749.75
44:30.0 24 4749.75
44:30.1 24 4818
44:30.3 24 4818
44:30.4 24 4885.25
44:30.5 24 4885.25
44:30.6 24 4947.5
44:30.7 23 4947.5
44:30.8 23 5022.5
44:30.9 23 5022.5
44:31.1 23 5081
44:31.2 23 5081
44:31.3 23 5150
44:31.4 23 5150
44:31.5 23 5209.75
44:31.6 23 5209.75
44:31.7 21.5 5272
44:31.8 21.5 5272
44:31.9 21.5 5272
44:32.0 21.5 5332
44:32.1 21.5 5332
44:32.3 21.5 5394.75
44:32.4 21.5 5394.75
44:32.5 21.5 5451
44:32.6 21.5 5451
44:32.7 21.5 5508.25
44:32.8 21.5 5508.25
44:32.9 21.5 5561.5
44:33.0 21.5 5561.5
44:33.2 22.5 5623
44:33.3 22.5 5623
44:33.4 22.5 5623
44:33.5 22.5 5672.5
44:33.6 22.5 5672.5
44:33.7 22.5 5726.75
44:33.8 22.5 5726.75
44:33.9 23 5778.75
44:34.0 23 5778.75
44:34.1 23 5827.5
44:34.2 23 5827.5
44:34.3 23 5827.5
44:34.4 23 5875
44:34.5 23 5875
44:34.6 23 5923.25
44:34.8 23 5923.25
44:34.9 23 5971.5
44:35.0 23 5971.5
44:35.1 23 6013
44:35.2 23 6013
44:35.3 23 6013
44:35.4 23 6060
44:35.5 23 6060
44:35.6 23 6099
44:35.7 23 6099
44:35.8 24 6145.5
44:35.9 24 6145.5
44:36.0 24 6190
44:36.1 24 6190
44:36.2 24.5 6190
44:36.3 24.5 6232.75
44:36.4 24.5 6232.75

BNRacing
02-23-12, 03:08 PM
Thanks for all the kind words- I'm glad you like the tune!

Anyone looking to order, here is the direct order link-

http://badnewsracing.net/webstore/product_info.php/products_id/186

Wag-O-Neer
02-23-12, 04:28 PM
Thanks for all the kind words- I'm glad you like the tune!

Anyone looking to order, here is the direct order link-

http://badnewsracing.net/webstore/product_info.php/products_id/186


Guys, this is the person you want to talk to, if you want the same tune I have. Since we got very detailed on the TCM calibrations, you can just ask for the same file I have on my car. Or, you can do a base file first, and adjust what you want from there. Jerry is very responsive to email, and can do just about anything you want.

Good to have you on board, Jerry!

Lord Cadillac
02-23-12, 04:40 PM
Vince was releasing a updated tune today....he writes the ones for our 3.6 twin turbo and super charged builds. Very talented.

I've spoken to Vince once before. He seems like a great guy who knows what he's doing in regards to tunes. But what's this twin turbo 3.6 you're referring to?

Wag-O-Neer
02-23-12, 08:52 PM
I've spoken to Vince once before. He seems like a great guy who knows what he's doing in regards to tunes. But what's this twin turbo 3.6 you're referring to?

Off topic: Since you're the Admin here, can you please tell me why I can't PM?

beanjapan
02-24-12, 06:55 PM
Question,

Is the tuner locked into just one VIN? If I have two cars that can accept trifecta tunes, can I go ahead and use it in both? Or if I replace my car, can I tune my new car?

BNRacing
02-24-12, 08:16 PM
It's VIN locked

loosend
02-27-12, 12:02 AM
Guys, first impression is it's worth every penny. The car feels totally different. It feels MUCH zippier and throttle tip-in is aggressive. The tranny shifts crisp in A6 mode at WOT and throttle blipping on auto downshifts is a nice touch. Driving at part throttle still gives you nice, comfy, lazy shifts, just like stock. You throw it into sport mode and not much changes at part throttle, but at WOT the car shifts like a '69 Chevelle with a hurst shift kit. Smiles.
Did you select the hardest shift available when in sport mode? I think it is indicated by the percent of the reduction of the torque management. Some of the Camaro guys can chirp a gear but its probably not good for the tranny in our particular vehicles since there is not much tolerance for increased power capacity. My "72 Chevelle has a B&M valve body kit and a few other tricks and chirps 1 to 2 and 2 to 3 shifts at WOT which never gets old even at 46 years of age. ; P

Wag-O-Neer
02-27-12, 09:59 AM
Did you select the hardest shift available when in sport mode? I think it is indicated by the percent of the reduction of the torque management. Some of the Camaro guys can chirp a gear but its probably not good for the tranny in our particular vehicles since there is not much tolerance for increased power capacity. My "72 Chevelle has a B&M valve body kit and a few other tricks and chirps 1 to 2 and 2 to 3 shifts at WOT which never gets old even at 46 years of age. ; P

I'm not sure if they tuned it for maximum reduction of TM, or not. I can tell you that the shift firmness is progressive, as it relates to throttle position. With very light throttle input, the car appears to still has the same shift firmness as stock. However, as throttle input increases, so does the quickness at which the cogs are swapped inside the slushbox. To the point that at WOT, the car shifts very quick, and firm. Since my car is AWD, I'm not chirping gears, nor would I want to.

Maybe Jerry from BNR can chime in as to how firm they set it.

loosend
02-27-12, 02:31 PM
Since my car is AWD, I'm not chirping gears, nor would I want to. Maybe Jerry from BNR can chime in as to how firm they set it. Didn't realize you were AWD and that will make a difference in the way it shifts and the performance numbers due to weight and having another axle. I was just wondering about the percentage of TM reduction to use as a reference so maybe Jerry will chime in. Eventhough chirping tires sounds cool, I would not want to be breaking parts in the trans or the multiple universals in the driveline. Again, THANKS for giving us all something to chew on and breathing new life/excitement to this board.

Wag-O-Neer
02-27-12, 09:20 PM
Didn't realize you were AWD and that will make a difference in the way it shifts and the performance numbers due to weight and having another axle. I was just wondering about the percentage of TM reduction to use as a reference so maybe Jerry will chime in. Eventhough chirping tires sounds cool, I would not want to be breaking parts in the trans or the multiple universals in the driveline. Again, THANKS for giving us all something to chew on and breathing new life/excitement to this board.

No problem, I'm glad to share my data with the forum. Kinda the whole point of these things, right?

I was actually very surprised to see the lack of performance modding threads in here. I thought for sure, since the car shares the same engine as the Camaro, that I'd see tons of threads, but nope. Outside of a few exhaust and CAI threads, there just wasn't much.

Hopefully we change all that. ;)

BNRacing
02-27-12, 10:46 PM
I'm not 100% certain what Vince set your shift firmness at, but I can tell you that we don't ever take it to the point that it could cause any harm.

Wag-O-Neer
02-27-12, 11:20 PM
I'm not 100% certain what Vince set your shift firmness at, but I can tell you that we don't ever take it to the point that it could cause any harm.

Yeah, figured as much. I really love the fact that it's totally progressive as it relates to throttle input.

Bad News Racing has earned my word of mouth, to anyone that will listen to me.

BTW, check your email. Sent you and Vince some logs about IAT.

BNRacing
02-28-12, 09:32 AM
Thanks. Yeah I saw the email last night

kingtj
02-28-12, 10:58 AM
Yeah, that was my same thought when I first joined the forums. I guess I assumed (perhaps falsely) that at least the customers opting for the coupe version of a newer CTS would be more performance-minded. The ironic thing is, I think I've actually seen more performance interest out of the wagon owners than anyone else, on the whole. They like the idea of building a "sleeper" that surprises people, or simply get a kick out of having a true "sport wagon" in a category of vehicle where performance is usually just an afterthought.

I will say one thing though. So far, it seems like the upside to this is we're generally seeing only really *good* performance upgrades offered. Vendors seem to be taking the time to release products or services that are done right, as opposed to trying to make a quick buck selling sub-standard stuff. That's what made me give up my Genesis Coupe in the end; too much money shelled out for performance parts that had fitment issues, didn't live up to their claims, and created new problems they wouldn't admit to or help buyers correct.

I'll take quality over quantity any day -- so PLEASE keep up the informative posts sharing good info!


No problem, I'm glad to share my data with the forum. Kinda the whole point of these things, right?

I was actually very surprised to see the lack of performance modding threads in here. I thought for sure, since the car shares the same engine as the Camaro, that I'd see tons of threads, but nope. Outside of a few exhaust and CAI threads, there just wasn't much.

Hopefully we change all that. ;)

JimmyH
02-28-12, 05:40 PM
Why would you want cam lope on a V6? I asked the Camaro guys and they get all huffy.

Wag-O-Neer
02-28-12, 09:39 PM
Why would you want cam lope on a V6? I asked the Camaro guys and they get all huffy.

I hear ya on that.

I decided not to enable the cam on my car, as it just doesn't suit it. But, the target is the guy with a Camaro, running a CAI, long tubes, and exhaust. If I were that guy, I think I'd enable it. Even if you install it, you're still able to toggle it of/on with the cruise control button.

mikesul
02-29-12, 10:49 AM
I didn't enable the g-cam on my tune either. That's not the sound I want coming out of my car, I'm past that stuff. Got the Iceolater and oil catch can ordered and will install upon receipt. Have had the KPE intake and ported throttle body already, so with the manifold spacer and catch can the only other item I would install is LT headers if I could get them. KPE keeps saying they will have them, but....

Wag-O-Neer
02-29-12, 10:53 AM
I didn't enable the g-cam on my tune either. That's not the sound I want coming out of my car, I'm past that stuff. Got the Iceolater and oil catch can ordered and will install upon receipt. Have had the KPE intake and ported throttle body already, so with the manifold spacer and catch can the only other item I would install is LT headers if I could get them. KPE keeps saying they will have them, but....


Awesome! Who's throttle body? Tracy's?

JimmyH
02-29-12, 05:11 PM
I hear ya on that.

I decided not to enable the cam on my car, as it just doesn't suit it. But, the target is the guy with a Camaro, running a CAI, long tubes, and exhaust. If I were that guy, I think I'd enable it. Even if you install it, you're still able to toggle it of/on with the cruise control button.

I don't even want it on my SS. I prefer the smooth rumble at idle :D

WRXtranceformed
03-01-12, 09:43 AM
I'm curious why some folks are installing aftermarket catch cans on these motors. I used to run them on the high hp turbocharged cars I built, but are they really necessary with a lightly modded NA application like this?

Wag-O-Neer
03-01-12, 10:32 AM
I'm curious why some folks are installing aftermarket catch cans on these motors. I used to run them on the high hp turbocharged cars I built, but are they really necessary with a lightly modded NA application like this?

Pull off your throttle body, and reach inside the snout of your intake manifold. There's a small sump, right in the front. I'd bet you, that it's got a bunch of oil in it. The oil ingestion on these cars is pretty bad.

sfv41901
03-01-12, 10:50 AM
Pull off your throttle body, and reach inside the snout of your intake manifold. There's a small sump, right in the front. I'd bet you, that it's got a bunch of oil in it. The oil ingestion on these cars is pretty bad.

/\ what he said.

Hence why u have to keep an eye on the oil level between oil changes.

cracing
03-09-12, 02:43 PM
Wag which cable did you select? I assume the red trifecta cable?

Wag-O-Neer
03-09-12, 03:29 PM
Wag which cable did you select? I assume the red trifecta cable?

Yes sir.

cracing
03-09-12, 04:02 PM
Thank you how is everything coming with securing the dyno?

Wag-O-Neer
03-09-12, 10:15 PM
Thank you how is everything coming with securing the dyno?

Supposedly the parts are ordered. I'll check in on it next week.

TeamZambo
03-14-12, 02:35 AM
Who did you order the catch can from?

Wag-O-Neer
03-14-12, 09:45 AM
Who did you order the catch can from?

You can get it from 2 vendors here:

Member - BNRacing
Jerry - Bad News Racing

Member - SC2150
Tracy - RX Products

PMing either one of those gentlemen should get you what you need.

Or, you can order direct from BadNewsRacing....

http://badnewsracing.net/webstore/index.php/cPath/35_44

cracing
04-01-12, 03:34 PM
Bringing the thread back for interested buyers of the tune. Wag-O-Neer would love to hear an update for a very interested buyer

Wag-O-Neer
04-03-12, 11:13 AM
I'd still absolutely 100% endorse the tune. Car has had zero issues, works as advertised and is a much more fun and engaging car to drive now. I put the stock tune back on it the other night because I was bored, and I immediately was reminded of the horrors of the OEM TCM programming. I've stated it before, but it's very apparent that GMs sole purpose while tuning the TCM was to get the car moving, and dump it into 6th gear as quickly as possible. Horrible....

With the customer parameters Vince did with my TCM, the car is completely transformed.

cracing
04-03-12, 02:05 PM
Vince still has your calibrations saved correct? I will be making a buy in the near future. Do realize GM's sole purpose of the 6th gear is to get to it as quickly as possible not really a "kick in the pants" calibration haha. Recently installed a catback exhaust for Cts v coupe for my 3.6 di coupe. Turned out better then expected now I just needed to tackle the slush box.

Michael_atDell
04-03-12, 05:16 PM
I want your tune too, LOL!

cracing, V exhaust fits our 3.6l?

cracing
04-03-12, 06:36 PM
Local muffler shop had a hell of a time from what I was told but it did fit pretty well tips lined up and put out a nice growl. Keep in mind I do have a v rear bumper to facilitate the v exhaust. When everything was said and done it didn't appear they needed to re bend any of the mandrel bent piping the kit comes with just modify piping to match up with stock.

Wag-O-Neer
04-03-12, 06:48 PM
When you email Jerry, just tell him you want the same programming as I have, including TCM. Shouldn't be a problem...

leigh1322
04-03-12, 07:34 PM
Wag-o-neer;
Any noticeable change in either HP or MPG?
Changing the TCM won't do much for MN-6 manual.....
Does it still use regular?

Wag-O-Neer
04-03-12, 10:35 PM
Absolutely a bump in HP. MPG? Not so much....

I recommend piggy backing the VMax Black Iceolater with your tune. Great bang for the buck...

Michael_atDell
04-04-12, 12:09 AM
Funny you say that, I just installed mine tonight.

Michael_atDell
04-05-12, 09:42 PM
Installed my base tune tonight! Wag-O-Neer, what all options did you have changed? Perhaps we should start a new thread with all available options and a description (if it's not obvious)...

sfv41901
04-05-12, 09:56 PM
Yeah, I'm getting my tune as soon as I get my cable.

leigh1322
04-06-12, 11:31 AM
wag-o-neer;
I saw some datalogging you had done.
It looks like the Knock sensor easily pulls several degrees out of the car even in stock tune.
I assume these are full throttle runs.
Does using premium let the ECU add more timing (or retard less)?
Does the Trivecta tune wind up with more timing?
I assume these are full throttle runs.
Any idea what part throttle timimg is at cruise?

Wag-O-Neer
04-09-12, 09:31 AM
Installed my base tune tonight! Wag-O-Neer, what all options did you have changed? Perhaps we should start a new thread with all available options and a description (if it's not obvious)...

Sorry it took so long to reply, I just returned from a 4 day bender....

So as far as the ECM, I didn't request any particular changes be made. I just got their "canned" tune. However, for the TCM, that's where I got pretty specific on what I wanted...

I asked for the car to hold each gear longer, shifts to be as firm as safely allowable, and rev-matched downshifting (throttle blipping) in Auto mode.

After logging thousands of miles on it, I'm very happy. The only change I'm going to ask for, is that the 1-2 shift at WOT be softened just a hair. I feel like it's shocking the AWD system just a bit. Other than that, it's darn near perfect.


wag-o-neer;
I saw some datalogging you had done.
It looks like the Knock sensor easily pulls several degrees out of the car even in stock tune.
I assume these are full throttle runs.
Does using premium let the ECU add more timing (or retard less)?
Does the Trivecta tune wind up with more timing?
I assume these are full throttle runs.
Any idea what part throttle timimg is at cruise?


Yeah, the knock sensor in these cars are very finicky, from what I've learned. You can see it pull timing in my logs, pre/post tune. The Trifecta tune does run more timing, without a doubt. I also posted logs after the tune, so you can see exactly how many degrees they've added, across the rev range. And yes, all logs were taken in 3rd gear, at WOT all the way to redline. I have no clue what part-throttle timing is set at....

austin
05-09-12, 12:35 AM
Great write up.... I would love to see some before and after dyno numbers. :)

WRXtranceformed
09-26-12, 11:42 AM
Just installed my Trifecta tune (2008 3.6DI). Much, much improved, and it's getting better every day as the ECU readapts. Shifts are much more firm which will take some getting used to, but gone are the grandma shifts that just made the car lagggggg. This engine was butter smooth before and now even more so just with more pull. Better acceleration from a stop, it makes smarter shifting decisions on upslopes / downslopes and it definitely took advantage of the slight mods I have. Overall it took the sluggishness out of the throttle response by improving power delivery.

Definitely a good choice for the price.

loosend
09-26-12, 02:27 PM
Just installed my Trifecta tune (2008 3.6DI). Much, much improved, and it's getting better every day as the ECU readapts. Shifts are much more firm which will take some getting used to, but gone are the grandma shifts that just made the car lagggggg. This engine was butter smooth before and now even more so just with more pull. Better acceleration from a stop, it makes smarter shifting decisions on upslopes / downslopes and it definitely took advantage of the slight mods I have. Overall it took the sluggishness out of the throttle response by improving power delivery.
I also have a 2008 and have the Trifecta tune but my vehicle is not responding to the tune. May I ask what mods (air cleaner, exhaust, etc) you have to your car if yours is AWD or not? Also, did you ask for any special shift characteristics or do you have the normal Trifecta tune? I may ask for your specific tune and try it out. Thanks.

WRXtranceformed
09-26-12, 03:10 PM
I also have a 2008 and have the Trifecta tune but my vehicle is not responding to the tune. May I ask what mods (air cleaner, exhaust, etc) you have to your car if yours is AWD or not? Also, did you ask for any special shift characteristics or do you have the normal Trifecta tune? I may ask for your specific tune and try it out. Thanks.

Oh dang weird. Mine is RWD. I removed my intake silencer, added the black iceolator phenolic spacer and the RX catch can (which shouldn't make a difference). The tune noticeably woke up the car, especially the TCM reprogramming. I just asked for better throttle response, a little more power and faster, crisper shifts. I think the combo of the spacer and the tune makes the biggest difference.

WRXtranceformed
10-03-12, 01:44 PM
After driving with the tune for about a week now, I have to be honest...I will probably flash the TCM file back to stock and leave the ECM programming as the tuned version. The harsher, more pronouced shifts get annoying REAL quick in day-to-day driving. If I was headed to the track for some reason, which I probably never will in this car, I would change it back but...the TCM programming definitely causes driveability to suffer. The ECM programming on the other hand made a nice difference...a lot better mid and upper end power delivery. Take that for what it's worth!

loosend
10-04-12, 11:59 AM
The harsher, more pronouced shifts get annoying REAL quick in day-to-day driving.
That is a problem I would love to have. LOL I will post back when I get your tune to see if the personality of mine changes like yours did but my car doesn't really shift any different from stock with the tune I have and I am using Wag-o-neer's TCM tune but he has a 2010 wagon. I was also having engine surging at high rpm, full throttle shifts and a pretty loud puffing noise heard through the Volant air cleaner from inside of the car at idle after the first start up of the day and hopefully this will get sorted out. For the TCM program, they think it might be because of mine being a 2008 versus Wag-o-neer's 2010 but since yours is a 2008, it should work unless there is a problem with my specific car. I should be able to use your ECM tune also and if my car acts like yours does when I get your tune , I'll be tickled pink. Thanks for the update.

WRXtranceformed
10-05-12, 11:14 AM
Yeah not a problem. You should definitely notice a difference if you use my tune. I swapped back the TCM tune to stock and it is perfect for me. The car pulls much harder to redline, the transmission still has some quick learn points from the reflash but it is a lot smoother with the stock mapping. Best of both worlds!

BNRacing
10-12-12, 11:12 PM
I'd like to chime in here- wrx: we can change the shift firmness if you'd like. We can always go less firm but still quick. Shoot me an email, I've got something for you to try.

BNRacing
10-12-12, 11:13 PM
That is a problem I would love to have. LOL I will post back when I get your tune to see if the personality of mine changes like yours did but my car doesn't really shift any different from stock with the tune I have and I am using Wag-o-neer's TCM tune but he has a 2010 wagon. I was also having engine surging at high rpm, full throttle shifts and a pretty loud puffing noise heard through the Volant air cleaner from inside of the car at idle after the first start up of the day and hopefully this will get sorted out. For the TCM program, they think it might be because of mine being a 2008 versus Wag-o-neer's 2010 but since yours is a 2008, it should work unless there is a problem with my specific car. I should be able to use your ECM tune also and if my car acts like yours does when I get your tune , I'll be tickled pink. Thanks for the update.

Did you try the new tune I sent you?

Crippler
10-14-12, 10:28 AM
Hey BNR looking for a tune ! What's the best tune to ask for to date ? Going to order it tomorrow ! 2011 cts 4 3.6L

WRXtranceformed
10-15-12, 01:17 PM
I'd like to chime in here- wrx: we can change the shift firmness if you'd like. We can always go less firm but still quick. Shoot me an email, I've got something for you to try.

Awesome that would be great! I will shoot you all an email here today.

One note too, I have noticed about 200-300 miles after the reflash that the tune feels even better. The CTS seems to take a bit longer to relearn than other cars I have tuned in the past, but once it does this Trifecta tune feels REALLY good. Definitely a worthwhile mod for anyone thinking about doing it.

cracing
10-15-12, 10:28 PM
Hey BNR looking for a tune ! What's the best tune to ask for to date ? Going to order it tomorrow ! 2011 cts 4 3.6L

I second this interested!!

bolt007
10-16-12, 08:27 PM
Vince did a great job Tuning my supercharged DI and RX Performance!

BNRacing
10-17-12, 11:04 PM
Anyone looking for a tune for their CTS- we have a new revised version of the tune that has been a huge hit, so don't hesitate to order!

Michael_atDell
10-18-12, 12:49 AM
Can I get the new tune? What changed?

cracing
10-18-12, 05:09 PM
Anyone looking for a tune for their CTS- we have a new revised version of the tune that has been a huge hit, so don't hesitate to order!

What is the difference between the previous version and this current one?

sfv41901
10-19-12, 11:41 AM
I still haven't flashed in the tune I bought but ill take the updated tune. :D

loosend
10-19-12, 12:27 PM
Did you try the new tune I sent you?
Its just incredible. I have the new tune for the 2008's and there is no hesitation all the way up to the red line and shifts are very snappy and firm at full throttle--Enough to break the tires loose. Yet at part throttle, there is a performance shift but not harsh in any way and passengers won't even notice. The best of both worlds. Throttle response is also improved and the twitchy/touchy throttle response I had is also gone. Its a winner and thanks!!

Michael_atDell
10-21-12, 08:14 PM
I want!

ajazolino
10-22-12, 08:54 AM
Must have new tune.

ajazolino
10-23-12, 04:00 PM
So I'm wondering if I should do the cai an exhaust first? And also are you guys about to run a special on the tune again?

SC2150
10-23-12, 05:14 PM
Any in the Tampa/Sarasota area we can tune while you wait as long as we have a few days advance to have the tune written.

:thumbsup:

sfv41901
10-24-12, 12:16 AM
& for us that aren't local?

tinman
10-24-12, 08:58 AM
& for us that aren't local?

Road Trip!

SC2150
10-24-12, 09:09 AM
Or we can ship the interface cable and email the tune file.

PM for price.

:thumbsup:

BNRacing
10-24-12, 09:52 AM
We're going to be running the cable special again on black friday (the day after thanksgiving). Like us on facebook to keep up to date with sales and coupon codes for stuff. You never know what we'll be discounting!

https://www.facebook.com/BNRacingandtuning

Pdabs
10-24-12, 10:14 AM
Awesome just got an intake time for spacer and tune. Waiting for that sale

tinman
10-24-12, 10:17 AM
What about those of us who don't do facebook (by choice)?

BNRacing
10-26-12, 05:59 PM
We will also do an email to our newsletter subscribers about it. Head over to our site and sign up (www.badnewsracing.net)

WRXtranceformed
10-27-12, 09:16 AM
BNR, check your inbox. Haven't seen the updated TCM tune yet!

sfv41901
10-29-12, 04:42 PM
What about those of us who don't do facebook (by choice)?


Yeah, I don't Facebook but I do Twitter

shudog
11-05-12, 10:46 AM
I'm coming from a Pontiac G8 GT and had a Cortex handheld tune. Made a huge difference on the transmission tuning. Part throttle shifts were as smooth as normal but full throttle shifts were much faster & firmer and allowed me to spin the tires on the 1/2 shift and chirp the 2/3 shift which never would've happened on the stock tune.

I guess what my point is, does the Trifecta tune allow for a difference in shift firmness based on part throttle/full throttle? I think I'm with others in that I don't really care for much change in daily driving

BNRacing
11-15-12, 03:47 PM
I'm coming from a Pontiac G8 GT and had a Cortex handheld tune. Made a huge difference on the transmission tuning. Part throttle shifts were as smooth as normal but full throttle shifts were much faster & firmer and allowed me to spin the tires on the 1/2 shift and chirp the 2/3 shift which never would've happened on the stock tune.

I guess what my point is, does the Trifecta tune allow for a difference in shift firmness based on part throttle/full throttle? I think I'm with others in that I don't really care for much change in daily driving



Yes it does. We can adjust trans firmness based on throttle percentage.

peacockd
11-15-12, 06:27 PM
All this is great, thanks. All seem to be about 3.6 DI Vin V. Does anyone have any experience with a 2009 3.6 Vin 7?

ajazolino
11-15-12, 08:42 PM
Well mine is a vin 7 and I'll be getting the tune. So time will tell

ajazolino
11-27-12, 11:02 PM
I ordered my tune today so we will see!

roggy
12-06-12, 05:47 AM
I ordered my tune today so we will see!

Let us know when you get it please & updates.

ajazolino
12-07-12, 09:12 AM
Well I received the cable on Thursday but didn't get the email with the tune yet. I sent jerry at bad news racing an email about it, so hopefully I get the tune file today and get the tune done today. Of course it's raining here in Cleveland which means no traction when I take it out!

ajazolino
12-07-12, 10:55 AM
Got a response from Jerry within 5 minutes with the tune file. Very impressed with that. And now to go do the fun part!

ajazolino
12-07-12, 02:17 PM
So the ECM tune completed, but having some trouble with the TCM, I have to go to work so I'm calling it a day until Sunday maybe.

ajazolino
12-09-12, 10:45 AM
Ok, the ezflash software needed to be updated, the tune loaded onto the car with no problem, now I just need a dry day to take it for a drive!

sandcracker21
04-04-13, 01:39 AM
I'm resurrecting this thread. I have a 2008 CTS AWD with the Di engine. I can't STAND the way this car drives. I push it WOT and nothing happens for 2 seconds. Then the car lurches forward. Does this tune fix that??

I want to hit the gas and get an instant throttle response!

SC2150
04-08-13, 10:46 AM
Then our CNC ported throttle body is what you want. You will love the elimination of the dead spot and the much improved throttle response.

www.RevXtreme.com or 941-721-1826 to order.

Also, a upper unduction cleaing will help and after that get one of our catchcans on.

:thumbsup:

cracing
04-08-13, 10:59 AM
Then our CNC ported throttle body is what you want. You will love the elimination of the dead spot and the much improved throttle response.

www.RevXtreme.com or 941-721-1826 to order.

Also, a upper unduction cleaing will help and after that get one of our catchcans on.

:thumbsup:

Interested. Do you supply a core or must we mail ours in to be ported?

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Then our CNC ported throttle body is what you want. You will love the elimination of the dead spot and the much improved throttle response.

www.RevXtreme.com or 941-721-1826 to order.

Also, a upper unduction cleaing will help and after that get one of our catchcans on.

:thumbsup:

Interested. Do you supply cores or must we mail in our own?

SC2150
04-08-13, 06:21 PM
Yes. You pay $150 plus refundable $200 core charge up front ($15 S&H) and when you get the CNC ported one, return and we refund the core.

:thumbsup:

Crippler
04-08-13, 07:39 PM
Any in stock ? For 2011 3.6 di caddy ?

6.2/3.6
04-09-13, 07:17 PM
I am personally trying to decide who to go with BNR or RevXtreme, I want someone I can get the best price from and someone who will answer their phone if I have questions (tune, cable, throttle, ice olater and dual stage can) all at one time. Be nice if there was a military discount to boot. Ok guys, give some feedback on who you have dealt with and if there was any problems. Thank you.

BNRacing
04-09-13, 07:49 PM
I am personally trying to decide who to go with BNR or RevXtreme, I want someone I can get the best price from and someone who will answer their phone if I have questions (tune, cable, throttle, ice olater and dual stage can) all at one time. Be nice if there was a military discount to boot. Ok guys, give some feedback on who you have dealt with and if there was any problems. Thank you.

Either of us is going to be the best choice. RevXtreme and BNR work extremely closely with one another. I will say that we have the tune and cable for 20% off until 4/15 and RevXtreme makes the parts we sell- why not get the tune and cable from us and get the parts from RevXtreme? Whatever you decide both companies are going to help you the best we can :)

6.2/3.6
04-09-13, 08:28 PM
Ok, then why don't i get everything from you or can you not the dual can? Thanks for responding.

BNRacing
04-10-13, 12:41 AM
Ok, then why don't i get everything from you or can you not the dual can? Thanks for responding.

I can get the dual catch can. Ill add it to the site tomorrow.

6.2/3.6
04-10-13, 03:51 PM
Ok, soon as i see it posted I will order. Thanks

6.2/3.6
04-13-13, 01:45 PM
Sure was great not getting any comments from anyone except BNR which never got back with me. Big difference between the this cts forum and the cts-v guys. No matter what the v boys always make a comment whether its helpful or not.

JimmyH
04-13-13, 04:04 PM
Its usually the latter.

6.2/3.6
04-13-13, 06:58 PM
But when you get past the Camaro/V attitudes you then get helpful info.

BNRacing
04-13-13, 09:33 PM
Sorry, were a really small company and are having a huge sale on the trifecta stuff at the moment so we're slammed. I'm going to email RX tomorrow to get the pricing on some of the parts you're asking for

6.2/3.6
04-14-13, 11:49 AM
BNR, don't worry about it. I placed a order with your company Friday evening, hopefully everything goes well. Thanks

WRXtranceformed
04-15-13, 01:12 PM
Sure was great not getting any comments from anyone except BNR which never got back with me. Big difference between the this cts forum and the cts-v guys. No matter what the v boys always make a comment whether its helpful or not.

No reason to be salty about it. BNR responded to and pretty much answered your question shortly after you asked it...I don't know that any of us who rarely frequent this forum would have much else to contribute.

I have ordered parts from both and they are both great vendors to deal with. Like any small business who does a ton of E-commerce business it can be difficult to connect with them but they are stand up companies. Enjoy the parts and tune~

6.2/3.6
04-15-13, 01:24 PM
:cookoo: Salty me never! Thats why I said don't worry about it, money has been sent so lets roll. Just hope my experience with this 3.6 is as good as my tune that my 6.2 has. Anything has to be better than the shift it has now but I can say the awd is awesome in the mountains. No worries either way.

tinman
04-15-13, 01:28 PM
Lots of folks, myself included, have a sh!tty shift. I have not experienced such a crappy shift since the old PowerGlide, and that was a two speed automatic transmission for those of you who have no clue.

6.2/3.6
04-15-13, 01:41 PM
Tinman, did you ever make the leap and get the tune? WRX, did you ever get your car fine tuned with the update? I did not read how it finally worked out, I read you had some harsh shifts and I definitely do not want that.

tinman
04-15-13, 02:38 PM
No, I didn't do it. Don't know why. I will be out of warranty in a couple of months and will strongly consider it then. I need to do the tune, get some wheels and a couple of other things. In the meantime,. I have to move out of my house inside of three weeks and I have no place to live! All of the underpasses on the nearby Interstate are already taken!

6.2/3.6
04-15-13, 03:00 PM
Heard underneath the docks are a good place and you have free water!

SC2150
04-15-13, 04:27 PM
Sorry we have not been on here the past week or so. We just finished the Vegas Spring Fling race (same as the Bristol one we have done the past 3 years, and the 4th year this May) and it was a huge success with over 400 entries!! So staff was mostly at the race and getting back today and tomorrow. Yes, BNR can take care of all as they are one of our dealers.

Again, our appologies for not keeping up on the forums.

www.RevXtreme.com
:thumbsup:

getnrkix
04-21-13, 11:00 PM
Tinman, you have the wagon, right.....?

tinman
04-22-13, 08:52 AM
Tinman, you have the wagon, right.....?

Yes I do. I love it.

WRXtranceformed
04-25-13, 11:34 AM
WRX, did you ever get your car fine tuned with the update? I did not read how it finally worked out, I read you had some harsh shifts and I definitely do not want that.

I wasn't able to connect again with BNR through email so I never received an updated tune. I ended up reverting to the stock TCM tune and it shifts fine now because I think it "learned" some of the firmness from my driving style and from the custom tune. It definitely shifts a lot quicker now than it did without the jerkiness / harshness of the custom TCM tune. The ECM tune is great though, especially on 93 octane it pulls noticeably harder and the power delivery is a lot smoother.

ajazolino
04-25-13, 12:27 PM
Yup. I did the same.

bronik90
06-04-13, 09:25 PM
I tuned my car with Trifecta a few months ago, and on occasion my check engine light would come on. I recently took my car in for inspection, and multiple codes showed up indicating cylinder 2, 4, and 6 misfires, Catalyst System Efficiency Below Threshold, and Evaporative Emission Control System Vent Valve/Solenoid Circuit Malfunction errors.

This has only happened when my car was tuned. I added the ported/polished throttle body and never bothered getting a tune to reflect that change. Also, I don't use the "ghost cam" feature.

Has anyone else had these issues? Can the misfiring cause damage over time?

BNRacing
06-07-13, 10:43 PM
Have you submitted a data log since you've been tuned?

bronik90
06-10-13, 04:54 PM
Have you submitted a data log since you've been tuned?

Once after I initially tuned it. But not since I installed the ported TB. I'll submit one asap once it passes inspection.

Dannyboy515
06-18-13, 07:57 PM
Hey guys
New to the cadillac scene. Just bought my first about a week ago. Always been a Chevy guy. Owning a built up 78 malibu on nitrous is fun for the wknds. But gotta have a little of the "get up and go" during the week too. Nice to see there is development on the modern front and to hear good things about the guys doing this work. I will be on the list shortly for some of these upgrades and mods so thanks for all the input and pointing in the right direction.

SC2150
06-19-13, 09:32 AM
The best mods are start with a good catchcan to prevent further valve coking issues, then 20 rwhp & 25 rwtq from the $150 Iceolator, then the $150 CNC pattern ported TB along with the tune from BNR and you will have a completely different animal. Still want more? We supercharge, and turbo charge these to 500 plus HP.

:thumbsup:

KLX
09-03-13, 05:34 PM
Anyone looking for a tune for their CTS- we have a new revised version of the tune that has been a huge hit, so don't hesitate to order!

Can you flash it back to stock for warranty work 2013 Cts Coupe.

WRXtranceformed
10-22-13, 01:54 PM
Anybody need a red EZ Flash cable? Have one for sale, car was sold and no longer need it. PM me if you are interested.

dlpuette
10-28-13, 04:15 PM
I see they dropped the price to $315. Interesting...

Anybody here done this recently? Any feedback?

SC2150
10-28-13, 05:20 PM
I'll step in and add that with one of our super charged 3.6 LLT builds we made just under 400 RWHP until running out of fuel with the Trifecta tune, our new tune the customer made 447 RWHP same boost,. The tune company stated there were several power enrichment features not touched in the trifecta that they have cracked allowing the system to provide enough fuel for the 447 to the wheels vs less than 400. So far none of the issues for FI we had in the past, but we just started using them so will add more as we have more experience with them. And this is only FI, not NA. Haven't used them for NA tunes yet.