: Black Diamond Tricoat - Seeking Qualified Paint Shop in Calgary Alberta



dfedorch_calgary
02-01-12, 04:01 PM
I am new to the Forum, living in Calgary Alberta. Just took delivery of a 2012 CTS-V Sedan with the Black Diamond TriCoat. Love the car. I have not even had it a month and someone has scratched/keyed both the driver door and the entire length of the passenger side. Filed police report, contacted insurance and now seeking advice or input on: 1) qualified paint shop in Calgary and 2) who has repainted the black diamond tricoat and 3) what I should be looking out for or considering. Many thanks, Darcy

Houdini
02-01-12, 04:40 PM
My god that sucks. Good luck getting the results you desire. I really hope it ends well for you but getting a quality match on the black diamond may turn in to a nightmare.

buddyg
02-01-12, 08:16 PM
That is so stupid. I would love to catch the jerk in the act. He wouldn't have hands left to do this ever again. Sorry people are idiots.

M5eater
02-01-12, 08:27 PM
speaking from experience, if you can live with it, just polish it out(or maybe try to re-clear it)... there is NO possible way to match this color 100% without respraying the entire vehicle. Looking back on my situation I wish I had just left it alone.

If you're intent on respraying I would make the following suggestions;
1) only allow a dupont paint specialist paint the vehicle and then ONLY use dupont paint(JDSU is actually the manufacture, but I don't think we can get OEM paint, Dupont owns JDSU, so it's as close as we can get)
2) make them understand that this color can only be matched with a sun gun or direct sunlight.
3)the base coat is easy, the second spectra-flare is the tricky part. I had them take it back 4 times because of flat spots. Make SURE you view it in direct sunlight before accepting their quality of work.

dfedorch_calgary
02-01-12, 09:37 PM
Wish I could just polish it out - scratch went through to base material on passenger side for about 12 inches.....far too noticeable to ignore. Going for an estimate tomorrow, appreciate your comments and advice.

hulksdaddy
02-01-12, 09:52 PM
I'd have them spray the entirety of each side. If the top and the sides are a little different, you wouldn't be able to tell.

youknooow
02-02-12, 07:48 PM
speaking from experience, if you can live with it, just polish it out(or maybe try to re-clear it)... there is NO possible way to match this color 100% without respraying the entire vehicle. Looking back on my situation I wish I had just left it alone.

If you're intent on respraying I would make the following suggestions;
1) only allow a dupont paint specialist paint the vehicle and then ONLY use dupont paint(JDSU is actually the manufacture, but I don't think we can get OEM paint, Dupont owns JDSU, so it's as close as we can get)
2) make them understand that this color can only be matched with a sun gun or direct sunlight.
3)the base coat is easy, the second spectra-flare is the tricky part. I had them take it back 4 times because of flat spots. Make SURE you view it in direct sunlight before accepting their quality of work.

Thats a common misconception, there is no such thing as OEM paint, all paint comes from paint manufacturers and there will always will be variances. I learned that through having to get my bumper replaced on my Yaris.

M5eater
02-02-12, 08:17 PM
Thats a common misconception, there is no such thing as OEM paint, all paint comes from paint manufacturers and there will always will be variances. I learned that through having to get my bumper replaced on my Yaris.

I'm not sure what you mean. The spectraflair pigment was first used in the CTS-V and it's sole supplier was JDSU through dupont. The exclusivity rights have expired as of this year, but to my knowledge, JDSU is the sole supplier of this paint.

brian-nicola
02-02-12, 10:39 PM
The Cadi dealer (CMP) in Calgary can't do it?

M5eater
02-03-12, 07:50 AM
The Cadi dealer (CMP) in Calgary can't do it?
Jesus NO. NO collision center is going to be able to do this unless they have actual experience painting it. None. No other car has this pigment in it, and it has to be mixed very carefully otherwise the flake sizes will not match (mine don't..)

dfedorch_calgary
02-03-12, 09:13 AM
Thanks - did not think about CMP, I purchased it at Jack Carter. Went to Superior Paint and Auto for an estimate yesterday. They claim they can match the paint and have done so in the past. They will be using an RM paint made by BASF. Any thoughts?

M5eater
02-03-12, 09:18 AM
Thanks - did not think about CMP, I purchased it at Jack Carter. Went to Superior Paint and Auto for an estimate yesterday. They claim they can match the paint and have done so in the past. They will be using an RM paint made by BASF. Any thoughts?

It will not match. RM is the middle-priced brand by BASF. The fact remains that JDSU is the sole supplier of spectraflair and BASF is an entirely different company. Do I think they could match it to some degree? Yes. Do I think they could match it to my standards or someone that cares for their paint? NO.

brian-nicola
02-03-12, 09:24 AM
I would see what CMP can do, but no doubt it will be a tough match. Sorry about the vandalisim, why can't people aspire to success instead of being jealous. On a lesser note, wife was getting into her 2011 ss convertible, guy walks by and says "nice ride, too bad it's wasted on you"....
I live on Vancouver Island, but bought my 2012 CTSv coupe (black diamond edition) from CMP

commander112
02-03-12, 09:41 AM
There is no secret to mixing a paint that matches. My tricoat Crystal Red was matched and blended in the middle of a panel as a spot repair for a chip with no break line (an unapproved repair method). The match was perfect from every angle. A quality shop with a good reputation can do a flawless job for you. My body shop has worked on all of my cars for years and most of my friends. He knows I am a pick s.o.b. and has remixed and resprayed stuff in the past to make things perfect. They did not come up with black diamond without a plan for repairing the paint. I'm sure you will be fine.

M5eater
02-03-12, 09:48 AM
There is no secret to mixing a paint that matches. My tricoat Crystal Red was matched and blended in the middle of a panel as a spot repair for a chip with no break line (an unapproved repair method). The match was perfect from every angle. A quality shop with a good reputation can do a flawless job for you. My body shop has worked on all of my cars for years and most of my friends. He knows I am a pick s.o.b. and has remixed and resprayed stuff in the past to make things perfect. They did not come up with black diamond without a plan for repairing the paint. I'm sure you will be fine.

I wouldn't know anything about matching this paint..
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/2009-cadillac-cts-v-performance-mods/236402-1-step-forward-4-steps-back.html

aetherion
02-03-12, 05:09 PM
Just talk to a few body shops. I just had a sideswipe fixed. I too was skeptical about matching the black diamond paint, but apparently it's not quite the special snowflake that I assumed it was. They did a flawless match, of course with significant blending into adjacent areas. But looking at it very closely, I haven't found a person who can see the difference. I had the front quarter panel replaced & repainted, and the rear quarter panel area repainted. $3k total, absolutely flawless job. Most of that $3k was in paint labor.

That was in Seattle, so I can't speak to other locations.

This was on a 5-month old 2011 Black Diamond Sedan.

commander112
02-04-12, 07:58 AM
Just talk to a few body shops. I just had a sideswipe fixed. I too was skeptical about matching the black diamond paint, but apparently it's not quite the special snowflake that I assumed it was. They did a flawless match, of course with significant blending into adjacent areas. But looking at it very closely, I haven't found a person who can see the difference. I had the front quarter panel replaced & repainted, and the rear quarter panel area repainted. $3k total, absolutely flawless job. Most of that $3k was in paint labor.

That was in Seattle, so I can't speak to other locations.

This was on a 5-month old 2011 Black Diamond Sedan.

There you have it sports fans. Paint is paint and a quality shop can do wonderful things at fixing it.

johnnyjr1000
02-10-12, 06:04 AM
There you have it sports fans. Paint is paint and a quality shop can do wonderful things at fixing it.

...and so sorry to hear about that .... what an awful thing to do.

Good Good luck .....

I'm hoping to get a black diamond coupe in a year ... the paint is awesome !