: STS-V or DTS Performance. Help me choose.



Forgoten214
01-19-12, 11:36 PM
STS-V or DTS Performance or Platinum. Which one should I choose and why?

Is the STS a lot smaller for the driver than the DTS? I mostly drive by myself so I'm not really concerned with rear seats. I'm also tall and fat so will I be able to fit into the STS comfortably? I'd love the STS-V for performance and price. It seems like an amazing car.

Statistically and reliability? Whats the differences? I know both are Northstars but are they both just as reliable?

Also can I drive the STS-V all year round?

Anything else anyone wants to say in the comparison of each vehicle please feel free to post. :D

ddalder
01-20-12, 01:43 AM
The DTS is definitely a bigger car so if you're looking for interior comfort, you'd probably prefer it because it is more spacious. Many people complain (including myself) about the reliability of the STS. The common message seems to be if you buy one, you'd better buy a warranty. So far I've found reliability to be poor, but the vast majority of problems don't seem to be drivetrain related. These cars eat batteries, door handles/keyless entry is another common one just to name a couple.

I still far prefer the STS. I believe the interior and exterior styling is much better. GM couldn't have done a worse job in the size and placement of the fuel door on the DTS. In my opinion, this really spoils exterior appearance to the point I just can't get past it.

As for performance between the STS-V and the DTS with the performance option, I'm not sure. I have no experience with either.

xspower
01-20-12, 10:48 AM
I presently have an 08 STS-V. I've had 2 DTS's. If you want good performance and excellent comfort, go DTS. If you want GREAT performance and decent luxury, only one choice. STS-V

malatu
01-20-12, 11:16 AM
Isn't that like like comparing apples to oranges?

I think your best bet is to test drive both ... and not just one time, ...... a minimum of two times each. You'll probably then be able to answer your own questions and share your thoughts with the rest of us!

1BadCadSTS
01-20-12, 12:32 PM
Daily Driver? DTS

Toy? STS-V

Compromise? STS4 N* V8...

Forgoten214
01-20-12, 02:35 PM
Before you guys get angry with me...I'm also considering a Mercedes E55 AMG. It's right around the same price range as the STS-V.

What do you guys think of that?

malatu
01-20-12, 03:18 PM
You bastard! :lol:

Forgoten214
01-20-12, 03:59 PM
Lol I know, I've never driven anything besides Cadillac's but I always liked Benzes. I just don't like their insurance rates or price for maintenance. I'm also very patriotic and I feel proud to drive an American car.

mckellyb
01-20-12, 04:01 PM
What year E55?

I'm a Benz-head, but not much after the W124 has the build quality they did for decades.

They're getting back to that carved-from-an-ingot quality, but it may never be quite the same.

This said, I'd love to have an S600...I just can't work with the 12 MPG I know it's going to get.

Forgoten214
01-20-12, 04:09 PM
I agree, I actually have more posts over on Benzworld than I do here I think. lol. Although I've never actually owned a Benz I still admire their engineering and love the design.

That's a good question on the E55. I'm not sure honestly, I'd like a 03-04 because those are supercharged and can be found for under 20k.

Ah yes who wouldn't love an S600, but who wants to fix one? Aftermarket warrantys won't even warranty them. A lot of mechanics won't even touch a 600 due to it's complexity and difficulty of making repairs. A lot of repairs the entire engine must be removed from the engine bay to work.

If that wasn't the case I'd be driving a S65 right now. lol. I know a place that has a S65 AMG for 35 grand its a 2005 but 600 horsepower and 700+lb of tq. Very nice indeed. I haven't driven one though but I hear they're amazing. I'm afraid to drive it because I know I will want to buy it. :)


What year E55?

I'm a Benz-head, but not much after the W124 has the build quality they did for decades.

They're getting back to that carved-from-an-ingot quality, but it may never be quite the same.

This said, I'd love to have an S600...I just can't work with the 12 MPG I know it's going to get.

Jesda
01-20-12, 04:41 PM
With an E55 or STS-V, get a warranty.

The DTS I could trust, but it isn't nearly as fun as the other two options.

Charles Warren
01-20-12, 08:11 PM
get the sts, dts is nice but its a fwd and its the slowed down year for dts, the 2000-05s were faster(and had massage seats). i wouldnt buy a benz unless it was brand spaking new with a 200k mile warranty lol

Forgoten214
01-20-12, 08:19 PM
Wow your 83 years old and your worried about speed? lol


get the sts, dts is nice but its a fwd and its the slowed down year for dts, the 2000-05s were faster(and had massage seats). i wouldnt buy a benz unless it was brand spaking new with a 200k mile warranty lol

EChas3
01-20-12, 08:58 PM
As much as I'd like a 'V' I'd miss ACC. Given the choice first proposed, I'd rather suffer with the DTS Performance FWD.

Since neither option is really for me, I'd get an AWD N* 1SG STS w' ACC or a similarly equipped Benz.

Smiling Jack
01-20-12, 09:56 PM
As much as I'd like a 'V' I'd miss ACC. Given the choice first proposed, I'd rather suffer with the DTS Performance FWD.

Since neither option is really for me, I'd get an AWD N* 1SG STS w' ACC or a similarly equipped Benz.

ACC = automatic climate control ?

How does that enter the comparison?

Is air conditioning not available on the STS-V?

orange57
01-20-12, 10:43 PM
ACC = automatic climate control ?

How does that enter the comparison?

Is air conditioning not available on the STS-V?

i'm pretty sure ACC is Adaptive Cruise Control

Forgoten214
01-20-12, 10:50 PM
Yep it's the radar guided cruise control. Pretty much just set it to 65 and it will slow down or speed up depending on who's infront of you.


i'm pretty sure ACC is Adaptive Cruise Control

mckellyb
01-20-12, 11:00 PM
Ah yes who wouldn't love an S600, but who wants to fix one? Aftermarket warrantys won't even warranty them. A lot of mechanics won't even touch a 600 due to it's complexity and difficulty of making repairs. A lot of repairs the entire engine must be removed from the engine bay to work.

Yeah, that is one of the big reasons I didn't get serious about looking for a V-12 S-class. It was a six-digit car new, 15 years ago, and still requires repairs of a six-digit car...just likely more of them, and what would be a simple fix on another machine, on one of those, effectively totals it (if you don't turn your own wrenches, though parts can be horrific in cost).

I'm certain we've 'seen' each other on Benzworld. I had a W126 before the W124, and I've finally determined, after almost a year, the 124 needs a new home. I can't do what I want with it (turn it into a tow-car, behind a motorhome) for reasonable cost/trouble.

A 1998 5.9L Grand Cherokee, however.... :thumbsup:

My wife will likely injure me when I go that route.

Smiling Jack
01-20-12, 11:13 PM
Yep it's the radar guided cruise control. Pretty much just set it to 65 and it will slow down or speed up depending on who's infront of you.

So, back to the issue then: Is adaptive cruise control not available on the STS-V ?

Forgoten214
01-20-12, 11:29 PM
Ha! Looks like we have the same interests lol. I'd love a 1998 Grand Cherokee 5.9 myself as well.Those are amazing. They cost so much money now though I've never seen one under 6 grand without some ridiculously high mileage. Also what makes repairs on the Benzes difficult (Especially on the newer ones) is that a lot of them require special Mercedes Benz specific tools for the job. I hate that, so unless you order a Mercedes Tool set which costs thousands you are kind of stuck with going to a Mercedes Indy or a dealer. My friend had to replace ignition coils on his s500 benz and they were about a grand just for the part. Crazy!

Why are you getting rid of the W124? I myself can't fit into them or the W126 because of the stupid steering wheel that doesn't telescope. I'd love one of those though but no tilt wheel is a deal breaker for me. I love the design and the quality and fit and finish it's just uncomfortable for me personally to drive because of that.

I still believe the W140 is the greatest engineered car of all time, Benz spent billions of dollars on research for that car. So many innovations and safety with that car. I almost pulled the trigger on a W140 Coupe last summer but I just couldn't come to terms with it. It was a 600 so the maintenance cost really pushed me away...I couldn't do it financially which really was painful because I absolutely love that car. Maybe someday though I'll be able too. But I just flat out cant afford a 600.

If you want a W140 or a really nice Benz that you can work on yourself and that parts are fairly cheap. Look into the S320, that has a straight inline 6 cylinder and its amazing. You see so many over them especially in Europe with over 300k miles being used as Taxis and such. Those are the bargains right now, they also get close to 30mpg highway and 0-60 isn't terrible at 8 seconds flat. Nice I'd say. They're not as comfortable or well optioned as the 600s but they sure do offer great quality and reliability especially for a Benz. I'm in the market for a nice S320 myself. But like any car you need to know what to look for as it does have some weak points like any car.


Ah yes who wouldn't love an S600, but who wants to fix one? Aftermarket warrantys won't even warranty them. A lot of mechanics won't even touch a 600 due to it's complexity and difficulty of making repairs. A lot of repairs the entire engine must be removed from the engine bay to work.

Yeah, that is one of the big reasons I didn't get serious about looking for a V-12 S-class. It was a six-digit car new, 15 years ago, and still requires repairs of a six-digit car...just likely more of them, and what would be a simple fix on another machine, on one of those, effectively totals it (if you don't turn your own wrenches, though parts can be horrific in cost).

I'm certain we've 'seen' each other on Benzworld. I had a W126 before the W124, and I've finally determined, after almost a year, the 124 needs a new home. I can't do what I want with it (turn it into a tow-car, behind a motorhome) for reasonable cost/trouble.

A 1998 5.9L Grand Cherokee, however.... :thumbsup:

My wife will likely injure me when I go that route.

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No it's not. I'm not really sure why, it seems to have everything else...


So, back to the issue then: Is adaptive cruise control not available on the STS-V ?

MacMuse
01-21-12, 07:06 AM
The V is designed to pass every other car on the road, not cozy up behind and match speed via the ACC.

Forgoten214
01-21-12, 02:34 PM
Ha! Nice, I like that. :)

I heard the truth is they couldn't get the sensors for the radars to work with the STS-V grill...Interesting, I don't work for Cadillac and it's a rough guess I'd like to actually know why by fact myself. I can see your point though with it being a performance car not a cruiser.


The V is designed to pass every other car on the road, not cozy up behind and match speed via the ACC.

turnne
01-21-12, 03:55 PM
I still believe the W140 is the greatest engineered car of all time, Benz spent billions of dollars on research for that car. So many innovations and safety with that car. I almost pulled the trigger on a W140 Coupe last summer but I just couldn't come to terms with it. It was a 600 so the maintenance cost really pushed me away...I couldn't do it financially which really was painful because I absolutely love that car. Maybe someday though I'll be able too. But I just flat out cant afford a 600.

If you want a W140 or a really nice Benz that you can work on yourself and that parts are fairly cheap. Look into the S320, that has a straight inline 6 cylinder and its amazing. You see so many over them especially in Europe with over 300k miles being used as Taxis and such. Those are the bargains right now, they also get close to 30mpg highway and 0-60 isn't terrible at 8 seconds flat. Nice I'd say. They're not as comfortable or well optioned as the 600s but they sure do offer great quality and reliability especially for a Benz. I'm in the market for a nice S320 myself. But like any car you need to know what to look for as it does have some weak points like any car.



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No it's not. I'm not really sure why, it seems to have everything else...

I agree with you on the engineering of the Mercedes 140...I owned a 1992 from 1998 to 2004. I traded it for a BMW 7 series( a CPO E38)

A definite cost no object feel to the car...build quality on a Mercedes 140 is like no other IMO

However...fixing it yourself?

I have never seen any car that had repairs of that size( and $$)

Check out some common items like A/C evap cores...the dash has to be diassembled to replace it...down to the bare metal

Book time is 24 hours labor...the part was $750( at the MB dealer 10 years ago when mine was done under warranty)

also the cars has a myriad of vacuum and servo assisted mechanisms

Not expensive...but a pain in the rear

Also window regulators for those dual pane windows are another issue


with the V12 models...multiply those issues x2 as well as the costs

I understand the last models 97-99 were far more reliable...but still

Warren

Forgoten214
01-21-12, 09:37 PM
Yes sir, absolutely. They had major HVAC problems and window regulator issues. Also on the pre facelift had wiring harness issues. It has it's downsides, definitely. Also they leak oil like our Cadillac's do. Maybe it's a luxury car thing? I'm not sure. But the W140 is definitely very reliable if maintained. It has it's minor faults for sure but in overall general reliability. These cars will last forever.

The HVAC will cost thousands, window regulators are 300 per regulator plus labor. Duel pane windows cause the motors to wear out faster. It's just physics. The duel pane windows are really nice though, it feels like a tank honestly.

Yep, the 600 is pretty much a nightmare. The cost of operation is pretty much unimaginable. Although I do know guys with 600s that have over 200k miles on them with nothing but changing the oil and adding gas to the tank.

If your in a market for these cars, especially a 600 definitely pay the money to have them checked out by a mercedes benz specialist before you purchase it. I know so many people on benz world that just bought w140s and are having a laundry list of issues.


I agree with you on the engineering of the Mercedes 140...I owned a 1992 from 1998 to 2004. I traded it for a BMW 7 series( a CPO E38)

A definite cost no object feel to the car...build quality on a Mercedes 140 is like no other IMO

However...fixing it yourself?

I have never seen any car that had repairs of that size( and $$)

Check out some common items like A/C evap cores...the dash has to be diassembled to replace it...down to the bare metal

Book time is 24 hours labor...the part was $750( at the MB dealer 10 years ago when mine was done under warranty)

also the cars has a myriad of vacuum and servo assisted mechanisms

Not expensive...but a pain in the rear

Also window regulators for those dual pane windows are another issue


with the V12 models...multiply those issues x2 as well as the costs

I understand the last models 97-99 were far more reliable...but still

Warren

mckellyb
01-21-12, 10:56 PM
My '95 W124 was my DD, and I planned on making it the towed car behind our diesel apartment, the 40' motorhome, but it cannot be towed without a driveshaft disconnect, and not only are those things a fortune, they're virtually impossible to find for a 15 year old car which had little demand for such a device.

Plus, it has some body damage. More than anything, I replaced it as my daily driver, so it just needs to find a new home. 175K miles...it's in middle-age. It'll be a solid car for someone, for years. Literally, everything works...though reverse is flaky when it's warm.

Wait, the steering wheel in both my W126 and W124 telescope. They don't tilt, but that's the German way.

You VILL drivfe dis karr zie way ve vant you too!!!

No offence to any Germans, but there is a very obvious design to older German vehicles which emphasized driving, as they should.

Cupholders?!?!?! Why?

Re: The '98 ZJ 5.9L

I had a '94 Limited with full-time 4WD and the V8 in 1997-1999. It was great...until the build quality of the mechanics started to show. Transmission was ill @ 65K miles, rear main seal was dripping, and the T-case's viscous coupling started to bind @ 67K miles. I sold it before it had 69K miles on it. Repairs were into the $2K range, if I did it all, myself. The viscous coupling, alone, was almost a grand. Erk! That, and we lived at 9K feet in the CO front-range. We couldn't have one vehicle for the month of weekends it was going to take to fix all of it. That, and parts meant a 45 miles drive...one way. That'd get old.

Traded it in on a vehicle I came to truly dislike...a '99 Suzuki Grand Vitara. Equipped just the way I wanted and in the color I wanted, 40 miles on it when I picked it up, and it was a heap-o-junk.

There is a 5.9L ZJ local to me w/170K on it, very clean, and it's been on the market for $4K for a solid six months. It's a bit distant from the city, which is likely hurting it. The 13 MPG it's going to get isn't helping it, either. Plus, who wants a 14 year old Jeep?

Um...me.

I hope to sell the W124 and pick the ZJ up before it finds a new home. I've driven a couple, and yeah, they're a very different animal. A, for the time, hot rod which could actually go off-road.

Forgoten214
01-21-12, 11:04 PM
Hahaha yep! I agree. No cup holders. W140 Cup Holders were a late option in the post facelift models.

They see eating and drinking while driving as disrespect to the vehicle. Driving is an emotion to them not just a form of transportation. I carry similar princibles I don't like eating or drinking in the car. Only a water every so often but thats it.

Yea I know, No Tilt. Sucks :( . Maybe I could get used to it but IDK. All my Caddys had it so it's weird to me.

Hmmm, do you have a thread or post somewhere online or pictures of the W124? What model is it? 300E? 400E? E320? E420? E300 Diesel? Coupe? Sedan? Wagen? Convertible? lol




My '95 W124 was my DD, and I planned on making it the towed car behind our diesel apartment, the 40' motorhome, but it cannot be towed without a driveshaft disconnect, and not only are those things a fortune, they're virtually impossible to find for a 15 year old car which had little demand for such a device.

Plus, it has some body damage. More than anything, I replaced it as my daily driver, so it just needs to find a new home. 175K miles...it's in middle-age. It'll be a solid car for someone, for years. Literally, everything works...though reverse is flaky when it's warm.

Wait, the steering wheel in both my W126 and W124 telescope. They don't tilt, but that's the German way.

You VILL drivfe dis karr zie way ve vant you too!!!

No offence to any Germans, but there is a very obvious design to older German vehicles which emphasized driving, as they should.

Cupholders?!?!?! Why?

ddalder
01-21-12, 11:27 PM
Ha! Nice, I like that. :)

I heard the truth is they couldn't get the sensors for the radars to work with the STS-V grill...Interesting, I don't work for Cadillac and it's a rough guess I'd like to actually know why by fact myself. I can see your point though with it being a performance car not a cruiser.
I'm quite certain it is possible to get the sensor (there is only one) to work in a 'V' grille. They would simply need to put the same radar dome emblem on the front. This is large and not very esthetically pleasing so I'd bet most performance car owners probably would not want it. I have one on my car and although I like the option, the centre of the grille is rather hideous. This is also an expensive option (looking at parts costs) so it would have continued to push up the price of an already expensive and limited production car.

Similarly, ventilated seats are not available in the STS-V.

mckellyb
01-22-12, 11:19 AM
Hmmm, do you have a thread or post somewhere online or pictures of the W124? What model is it? 300E? 400E? E320? E420? E300 Diesel? Coupe? Sedan? Wagen? Convertible? lol

E320 sedan. Pics almost immediately after I purchased it.

http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp29/mckellyb/Notayachtbutitlldo.jpg

http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp29/mckellyb/rearthree-quartersview.jpg

Thankfully, because it's your thread, nobody can yell about tangents or hijacking. Though that's rather uncommon around here.

Forgoten214
01-22-12, 11:58 AM
Very nice, haha yea I did hijack my own thread. Sorry, sometimes I get sidetracked.

I definitely have to say that Mercedes and Cadillac have the best stock paint jobs in the world. :)


E320 sedan. Pics almost immediately after I purchased it.

http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp29/mckellyb/Notayachtbutitlldo.jpg

http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp29/mckellyb/rearthree-quartersview.jpg

Thankfully, because it's your thread, nobody can yell about tangents or hijacking. Though that's rather uncommon around here.

550HP STSV
01-22-12, 11:59 AM
Also they leak oil like our Cadillac's do. Maybe it's a luxury car thing? I'm not sure.

How many cadillacs have you had? I've had over 10 and not one has leaked oil.... Sounds like your 92 could use a new valve cover gasket.

Forgoten214
01-22-12, 12:06 PM
A lot and so does members of my family.

Lucky you then. Nope, I don't believe this one has a valve cover gasket leak but my previous 90 did. I'm not worried about it right now. I need to replace the radiator, water pump, some pulleys, thermostat and transmission fluid. Other than that, she's pretty sound! Lol.

I just did a full tune up and flushed the antifreeze and the rusted out radiator sprung leaks like it was the Titanic. Oh well. Atleast the car drives like it's new. Only 45k on it.


How many cadillacs have you had? I've had over 10 and not one has leaked oil.... Sounds like your 92 could use a new valve cover gasket.

turnne
01-22-12, 12:20 PM
Wait, the steering wheel in both my W126 and W124 telescope. They don't tilt, but that's the German way.


No offence to any Germans, but there is a very obvious design to older German vehicles which emphasized driving, as they should.

.

my 1992 Mercedes 140 steering wheel tilted and telescoped..electrically... and was tied into the 3 set memory seat function
The interior rear view mirror was also electrically adjustable

I don't think they the adjustable steering until 1996 in the mid line cars..E class..and it never had the electrically adjustable interior rear view mirror

To be fair

the 140 was introduced 21 years ago...that..IMO.. is an old car
Not only did it have the steering functions...but it also had pneumatic door and truck closing...as well as power folding exterior rear view mirrors

And...in a car that felt like it made in a single piece that weighed more than 4500lbs. I owned a short wheel base turbodiesel 140 chasis car

Very state of the art( one of a kind) at the time. Today the pneumatic door and truck closing can be found on Lexus, BMW and Audis

I still think the germans are committed to designing their cars to emphasize the driving experience...in the past and currently

IMO..it sure would be nice for the other manufacturers to make a car that feels as a solid as a Mercedes
It takes about 5 mins of driving to figure they haven't


Warren

Forgoten214
01-22-12, 12:28 PM
Yep the W140 did but it didn't tilt very high.

W124 and W126 didn't.

W140 is an amazing car indeed, the car that every car today has some feature stolen from. :)


my 1992 Mercedes 140 steering wheel tilted and telescoped..electrically... and was tied into the 3 set memory seat function
The interior rear view mirror was also electrically adjustable

I don't think they the adjustable steering until 1996 in the mid line cars..E class..and it never had the electrically adjustable interior rear view mirror

To be fair

the 140 was introduced 21 years ago...that..IMO.. is an old car
Not only did it have the steering functions...but it also had pneumatic door and truck closing...as well as power folding exterior rear view mirrors

And...in a car that felt like it made in a single piece that weighed more than 4500lbs. I owned a short wheel base turbodiesel 140 chasis car

Very state of the art( one of a kind) at the time. Today the pneumatic door and truck closing can be found on Lexus, BMW and Audis

I still think the germans are committed to designing their cars to emphasize the driving experience...in the past and currently

IMO..it sure would be nice for the other manufacturers to make a car that feels as a solid as a Mercedes
It takes about 5 mins of driving to figure they haven't


Warren

turnne
01-22-12, 12:31 PM
Yes sir, absolutely. They had major HVAC problems and window regulator issues. Also on the pre facelift had wiring harness issues. It has it's downsides, definitely. Also they leak oil like our Cadillac's do. Maybe it's a luxury car thing? I'm not sure. But the W140 is definitely very reliable if maintained. It has it's minor faults for sure but in overall general reliability. These cars will last forever.

The HVAC will cost thousands, window regulators are 300 per regulator plus labor. Duel pane windows cause the motors to wear out faster. It's just physics. The duel pane windows are really nice though, it feels like a tank honestly.

Yep, the 600 is pretty much a nightmare. The cost of operation is pretty much unimaginable. Although I do know guys with 600s that have over 200k miles on them with nothing but changing the oil and adding gas to the tank.

If your in a market for these cars, especially a 600 definitely pay the money to have them checked out by a mercedes benz specialist before you purchase it. I know so many people on benz world that just bought w140s and are having a laundry list of issues.

and the 600's had their upgraded leather interior...with even more custom options available for extremely high grade aniline quality

It also had interior wood trim that was exclusive to the model

The sedans also had separate standard rear AC...which I believe made them have 2 evap cores

Herein..lies a problem with a car that high end that is old

One AC repair ...I am talking evap core where dash has to be completely disassembled and put back together

That job would be more than the car is worth...really...what's a early 90's S320 with 150K going for these days..$3500-4000?

AC repair has to be $3K at an Indy repair...$4K at a Mercedes dealer

If you have seen this job done..and you may have
Its not something I would trust to anyone but a very good Benz mechanic
I had the opportunity of seeing my dash dis assembled down to the bare metal years ago at the dealer

Not a pretty sight


Warren

Forgoten214
01-22-12, 12:58 PM
Yep I agree, the S600 W140 is amazing! One of the best luxury cars ever made. But like you said HVACs are expensive. Yes I've seen it done before, it's a very common problem. Best bet is to find a S320 that had the HVAC replaced already and test it. It can be done by yourself...If you have time and patients...




and the 600's had their upgraded leather interior...with even more custom options available for extremely high grade aniline quality

It also had interior wood trim that was exclusive to the model

The sedans also had separate standard rear AC...which I believe made them have 2 evap cores

Herein..lies a problem with a car that high end that is old

One AC repair ...I am talking evap core where dash has to be completely disassembled and put back together

That job would be more than the car is worth...really...what's a early 90's S320 with 150K going for these days..$3500-4000?

AC repaid has to be $3K at an Indy repair...$4K at a Mercedes dealer

If you have seen this job done..and you may have
Its not something I would trust to anyone but a very good Benz mechanic
I had the opportunity of seeing my dash dis assembled down to the bare metal years ago at the dealer

Not a pretty sight


Warren

Subsailor613
01-22-12, 01:46 PM
ACC is NOT AC, ALL STS's have Dual Zone Air Conditioning.Driver/Passenger.
ACC is Adaptive Cruise Control, if you get too close to the car ahead, while in Cruise control, the system will
automatically Slow you down and put a distance between you and the car ahead.
Have fun, Good Luck !

EChas3
01-22-12, 04:40 PM
No visible leaks from three Northstars, 1998, 2006 & 2007. The '98 burned some. We got it at 60,000 miles. The 2007 needs some oil once in a while; about a quart a year (12k). The 2006, next to nothing.

turnne
01-22-12, 07:28 PM
No visible leaks from three Northstars, 1998, 2006 & 2007. The '98 burned some. We got it at 60,000 miles. The 2007 needs some oil once in a while; about a quart a year (12k). The 2006, next to nothing.

but you had a HG issue right?

I think I would rather have an oil leak than a HG issue


Warren