: Little Brother (ZL1 Camaro) still no match for our stock CTS V...



Prof
01-18-12, 10:34 PM
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2012-chevrolet-camaro-zl1-test-review

GM-4-LIFE
01-18-12, 11:34 PM
I read that article yesterday and with less power and torque, our CTS-Vs are rated to be faster. How does that work exactly?

baabootoo
01-19-12, 12:01 AM
Do you mean top speed? Maybe due to the lighter tires and it affecting the load rating at high speeds? A very potent car for sure!

Trapspeed
01-19-12, 12:43 AM
It'll be a driver's race....same way it always is for closely matched machines.

GM-4-LIFE
01-19-12, 01:59 AM
0-60 and 1/4 mile times tested on the ZL1 are slower than the CTS-V. I guess that's why the ZL1 is a lot cheaper? I really like the way the ZL1 exterior looks. It looks mean as hell. The GT500 on the other hand doesn't have the mean styling and can't compare looks wise to the ZL1.

GMX322V S/C
01-19-12, 03:46 AM
...and the 0-60 time is supposedly with them "beating" the launch control (although I don't know that any mag was able to duplicate the mfgr's claim of 3.9 in the V). Top speed is drag limited mfgr's claim...11 MPH slower than the drag limited mfgr's claim for the V...

Ste_V_e
01-19-12, 07:26 AM
I'd like to know the coefficient or drag of both cars.

GreaseMonkey
01-19-12, 10:12 AM
Unless you test both vehicles side by side with the same track temps, tire temps. driver, etc. in the statistical world .1-.2 of a second doesn't mean much. I can't tell you how many times the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times magazines publish are inaccurate.

M5eater
01-19-12, 10:31 AM
Unless you test both vehicles side by side with the same track temps, tire temps. driver, etc. in the statistical world .1-.2 of a second doesn't mean much. I can't tell you how many times the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times magazines publish are inaccurate.

More so If my butter-fingers and hoof of a foot 2.0 60' launch still managed 12.001 1/4 time in a stock V2..

Razorecko
01-19-12, 10:51 AM
It's faster than the cts-v. I can guarantee that that ZL1 wast even broken in yet with some miles. I'm sure all of you can remember how slow our v's seemed the first few thousand miles. I didnt feel mine 'woke up' untill about 6k

OldRoadDawg
01-19-12, 11:14 AM
It's faster than the cts-v. I can guarantee that that ZL1 wast even broken in yet with some miles. I'm sure all of you can remember how slow our v's seemed the first few thousand miles. I didn't feel mine 'woke up' until about 6k

^^^ What he said, plus what they wrote:

"Get everything right, and the ZL1 hits 60 mph in 4.1 seconds and passes 1320 feet in 12.3 seconds at 119 mph—or better, as the cold and dusty track at Inde was less than ideal for acceleration runs."

However, I'm more interested in the possible inter-changeability with our V's of the 2 piece rotors, beefier differential or portions of the 2 stage exhaust mentioned in the article.

e6t
01-19-12, 11:24 AM
the ZL1 was a manual. 3.9 was obtained in an auto V which we know is faster than the stick.

stock for stock, stick for stick, track for track, conditions for conditions, driver for driver, a ZL1 will be faster.

SPEED74V
01-19-12, 06:01 PM
^^^ What he said, plus what they wrote:

"Get everything right, and the ZL1 hits 60 mph in 4.1 seconds and passes 1320 feet in 12.3 seconds at 119 mph—or better, as the cold and dusty track at Inde was less than ideal for acceleration runs."

However, I'm more interested in the possible inter-changeability with our V's of the 2 piece rotors, beefier differential or portions of the 2 stage exhaust mentioned in the article.

I wonder if it will be getting a differential cooler....I would be interested in that as well.

smackdownCTSV
01-19-12, 06:16 PM
More so If my butter-fingers and hoof of a foot 2.0 60' launch still managed 12.001 1/4 time in a stock V2..

That sucks being only .002 away from breaking 11s.
Also, why aren't you in the DB?

GM-4-LIFE
01-19-12, 06:22 PM
I wonder if it will be getting a differential cooler....I would be interested in that as well.

Yes, the ZL1 will have standard engine oil, tranny fluid and rear diff coolers. Why the CTS-V doesn't have them is beyond me and the CTS-V costs WAY more than the ZL1.

SPEED74V
01-19-12, 07:00 PM
Yes, the ZL1 will have standard engine oil, tranny fluid and rear diff coolers. Why the CTS-V doesn't have them is beyond me and the CTS-V costs WAY more than the ZL1.

"The uniquely designed Differential Cooler pumps overcooled transmission fluid into a heat exchanger inside the differential housing to remove excess heat"

That is what it says on the ZL1 brochure. I would like to swap my differential out for one of the ZL1's please!!!

GM-4-LIFE
01-19-12, 07:07 PM
"The uniquely designed Differential Cooler pumps overcooled transmission fluid into a heat exchanger inside the differential housing to remove excess heat"

That is what it says on the ZL1 brochure. I would like to swap my differential out for one of the ZL1's please!!!

Yeah, sign me up for one of those too. Let's hope the ZL1 won't have diff issues like our Vs.

shchow
01-19-12, 08:01 PM
The ZL1 has the PTM traction management system and better brakes, and is 15k less expensive than the CTS-V...
How's that possible...

jenlain
01-19-12, 09:29 PM
The ZL1 has the PTM traction management system and better brakes, and is 15k less expensive than the CTS-V...
How's that possible...

I think the interior explains much of the cost difference.

oneman42
01-19-12, 09:56 PM
Not to mention but it has the HUD (maybe as an option?).
George

smackdownCTSV
01-19-12, 10:39 PM
The ZL1 has the PTM traction management system and better brakes, and is 15k less expensive than the CTS-V...
How's that possible...

It's a Chevy. They can't price much more than the 2011 GT500. It needs a price to be priced under the CTS-V since the CTS-V is the "luxury" edition. And they can't price high enough to infringe on the Vette. Therefore, possible.

GM-4-LIFE
01-20-12, 01:26 AM
The ZL1 has the PTM traction management system and better brakes, and is 15k less expensive than the CTS-V...
How's that possible...

Better brakes? Same EXACT brakes as our Vs, except the Camaro gets two piece rotors, which isn't a big deal.

M5eater
01-20-12, 08:29 AM
The ZL1 has the PTM traction management system and better brakes, and is 15k less expensive than the CTS-V...
How's that possible...
cost of body and interior components is less than a CTS. I would assume the profit margin on the ZL1 to be slightly less than that of the CTS-V. Assuming of course either are profitable to begin with.

The only thing the ZL1 has on the V2 is the 3rd Gen magneride.

FastKat
01-20-12, 10:55 AM
$7k per door maybe?

The 2013 ZL1 convertible looks great, too - I might wait for that one.


The ZL1 has the PTM traction management system and better brakes, and is 15k less expensive than the CTS-V...
How's that possible...

GM-4-LIFE
01-20-12, 11:41 AM
Not to mention but it has the HUD (maybe as an option?).
George

According to GM/Chevy, HUD is standard on the ZL1. That's another item that should be standard on the V along with the diff cooler and two piece rotors. I hope GM/Cadillac is listening to what we want on the next gen V.

commander112
01-20-12, 12:33 PM
And launch control should be on the V.

JD03Cobra
01-20-12, 01:41 PM
There appears to be a slight difference at the Ring...

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GM-4-LIFE
01-20-12, 05:14 PM
That's a huge time difference! WOW! The Camaro ZL1 is one fast mofo!

Umrswimr
01-20-12, 05:44 PM
Faster than a Z06???

GM-4-LIFE
01-20-12, 05:55 PM
Faster than a Z06???

According to the time chart, YES, it is! Must be the third gen magnetic ride!

JD03Cobra
01-20-12, 05:55 PM
Faster than a Z06???

That's a 2005 Z06. Here's the C6 Z

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GM-4-LIFE
01-20-12, 06:05 PM
There was no 2005 Z06. Maybe a 2006 (first year C6/Z06)

Gary Wells
01-20-12, 07:13 PM
There was no 2005 Z06. Maybe a 2006 (first year C6/Z06)

Sorry, big guy, that's definitely incorrect.
I owned a 2002 C5 ZO6.
I believe that the 1st ones were 2001, but could be wrong about that.
In '01, you could get a C5 ZO6 in white, but that option was deleted prior to the '02 ZO6 model.
Later, they made a few K 1 year run only of a white special edition C6 ZO6 as a collector edition embellishing the Canadian racer.
In about '04 or '05, they made a few K of a special edition very beautiful blue with a real carbon fiber hood. All painted the same. Blue with silver trim.

GM-4-LIFE
01-20-12, 07:30 PM
Please re-read my post. I typed C6/Z06 and 2006 model year of the C6/Z06 was the first year of the C6/Z06 that was released in the summer of 2005.

C6 was released in 2004 as a 2005 model year.

2001 was the first model year of the C5/Z06 which was released in the summer of 2000.

I am well aware of the Corvette line-up. I had a 2001 C5 Coupe, a 2002 Z06, 2003 Z06, 2004 Z06, 2005 C6 and then a 2007 C6/Z06.

Gary Wells
01-20-12, 09:07 PM
Oops, my bad, & thanks for the correction. I was unaware that they skipped a year.

550HP STSV
01-20-12, 11:28 PM
GM/Ford/Dodge generally never releases a first production year body style in a ultra high performance variant.

The very slim exceptions would be a 1994 Cobra, a 2008 Challenger SRT-8, and a 2005 300C SRT-8.

garfin
01-21-12, 09:07 AM
Faster than a Z06???

If I'm not mistaken, some of the times on that list are based on a "flying" start, while others are from a standing start. The time for the Z06 is 7 years old and I'm not sure what type of start was used to achieve that time.

Best regards,

Elie

HeavyH20
01-21-12, 09:06 PM
TThe 119 MPH trap speed is very healthy and a bit higher than most magazine reviews posted for the CTS-V. If the traction control is better than the V on launches, that will be where most of the time will be found for quarter mile improvements. I, for one, would not mind that as a second car in the fun stable. It would not be something I would choose to drive instead of the CTS-V.

Prof
01-21-12, 09:43 PM
Great discussion! This thread has been super reading!

Keep up the great posts...lots of data coming to the surface, I am loving it!

RB190
01-22-12, 12:20 PM
I have a 2010 Callaway SC572 Camaro. It has a 6spd manual tranny. With only 572 HP, I can tell you for sure that the new ZL1 will be a handfull any stock CTS-V. As for the comments about why the V cost more, "Come on Man".

RB

buddyg
01-22-12, 04:35 PM
My V is modded so I can't wait to see a ZL1 on the street. He will be quite surprised!

(unless he is modded and I might be quite surprised!)

thebigjimsho
01-22-12, 09:33 PM
Yeah, sign me up for one of those too. Let's hope the ZL1 won't have diff issues like our Vs.

You don't know what diff issues are unless you've owned a V1, which I believe you have...

GM-4-LIFE
01-23-12, 03:01 PM
Yes, I owned a 2006 CTS-V for about a year and 10K miles and the car had no issues at all, except that it drank oil like crazy. No diff issues on my V1 and I drove the shit out of that car in the year I had it.

M5eater
01-23-12, 03:15 PM
Yes, I owned a 2006 CTS-V for about a year and 10K miles and the car had no issues at all, except that it drank oil like crazy. No diff issues on my V1 and I drove the shit out of that car in the year I had it.
mine's getting thirsty and it's not even 10K miles old. Dumped 1/2 quart 3000 miles into my OCI so far.. the autocross and drag racing might have something to do with that though..

thebigjimsho
01-23-12, 04:13 PM
Yes, I owned a 2006 CTS-V for about a year and 10K miles and the car had no issues at all, except that it drank oil like crazy. No diff issues on my V1 and I drove the shit out of that car in the year I had it.Still, no comparison in longevity and reliability. V2 is so much better...

M5eater
01-23-12, 04:28 PM
Still, no comparison in longevity and reliability. V2 is so much better...

agreed.. some whinning when coasting is all I've heard, and that's liveable. There have yet to be 6 different versions of the V2 Diff, and plainly it can take 7,8,900whp.