: 2008-2011 Cadillac CTS 3.6L Supercharger = 430hp at the wheels



Lord Cadillac
01-10-12, 04:33 PM
KPE (a supporting vendor in this community) is the distributor for a supercharger kit soon to be released by IPF Tuning targeted at the General Motors 3.6 liter LLT V6 engine. The stock engine in the 2008-2011 CTS made 304 horsepower. With this new supercharger a 3.6L V6 would have over 400 horsepower - which is a bit more power than an LS6/LS2 2004-2008 Cadillac CTS-V.

The kit targets the LLT due to its use as the standard engine in the Chevrolet Camaro, but fitment there also enables fitment for the Cadillac CTS 3.6L. It is not clear if the same kit will work equally well on the 2012 LFX engines until further testing and tuning has been done.

http://www.cadillacforums.com/images/kpe-supercharger.gif

IPF’s test claims are an improvement to 435 hp and 360 lb ft of torque. For the CTS 3.6L that power would change it from a 6.3s 0-60 time to under 5.1s under ideal conditions, and get it into the 13s in the quarter mile. Cost of the kit for the Camaro is US$5,590, with a $1K deposit for pre-orders. As of this article kits do not appear to be shipping yet.

http://www.cadillacforums.com/images/kpe-supercharger2.gif

The kit includes the supercharger, intercooler, and appropriate custom brackets and mounting hardware.

The Supercharger head unit is a Vortech V3 Self contained unit. No drilling into the oil pan or complicated plumbing is needed. The intercooler has a thick core for maximum cooling efficiency with minimal pressure drop. All the hardware is high quality and made in the USA. A Powertrain Warranty (http://cornerstoneperformance.com/) is available from IPF and is valid when the kit is installed by an ASE Certified Technician. The kit will sell for $5590.00 plus shipping. The Powertrain Warranty is $275.00 which covers engine and transmission. Again most of the forced induction (Turbo kits) do not offer a Powertrain Warranty.


http://youtu.be/dn2VZDU2-7s

KPE Products Contact info:

Dave Loucks
888-222-4291
dave@kpe-products.com
www.KPE-Products.com (http://www.KPE-Products.com)
www.IPF-Tuning.com (http://www.IPF-Tuning.com)


We are currently producing the IPF Supercharger for the 2010-11 Camaro V6. The kits will begin shipping the week of January 16th. There are some kits on backorder but we can still take preorders as of today. Camaro enthusiasts can still put down a deposit to guarantee they get one out of this initial production run!

After we complete this first production of IPF Superchargers for the Camaro, we will be moving on the CTS. Our intent is to have the CTS kit available in the next 90 days. Please let me know if you have any other questions. Thanks!

The guys at DREVolution Motorsports (http://www.drevolutionmotorsports.com/) are reporting that they're actually measuring 420-430 horsepower at the wheels from Camaro testing. That would suggest almost 500 horsepower at the crank.

Lord Cadillac
01-10-12, 11:03 PM
Is this discussion being overlooked because its a sticky? Or is no CTS owner interested in more power?

MTL_CTS
01-11-12, 12:56 AM
In the advertisement it does say hp measured at the flywheel though. Still I would be interested to see a dyno graph from a camaro owner who has done this successfully to their V6 it would be interesting. A great option for sure for 3.6 CTS owners who want some extra power! Finally it looks like a complete bolt-in, quality forced induction package will be available :)

Just the same I would probably never do this mod... I drive my car every day and need it to be reliable all the time. And this would of course void the factory warranty. The KPE warranty seems a bit sketchy to me. Like every time some guy blows their motor with too much boost and needs a rebuild or breaks their transmission they are just going to fork over thousands of dollars? I mean I don't know how much hp the stock internalss of the 3.6 were designed to handle but 500hp (if what you said is true) is probably reaching those limits...

mrcoupe2002
01-11-12, 09:55 AM
Definitely interested in more power here. Waiting to see if this successfully moves from planned product to full on product for our CTS. Price seems reasonable and at least competitive with pricing for similar products on other vehicles (well at least to the Corvette products since that is all I've ever looked at in the past). I plan on stashing away some money for this - if it lives up to the marketing - I'll be using it.

Lord Cadillac
01-11-12, 10:59 AM
In the advertisement it does say hp measured at the flywheel though. Still I would be interested to see a dyno graph from a camaro owner who has done this successfully to their V6 it would be interesting. A great option for sure for 3.6 CTS owners who want some extra power! Finally it looks like a complete bolt-in, quality forced induction package will be available :)

Just the same I would probably never do this mod... I drive my car every day and need it to be reliable all the time. And this would of course void the factory warranty. The KPE warranty seems a bit sketchy to me. Like every time some guy blows their motor with too much boost and needs a rebuild or breaks their transmission they are just going to fork over thousands of dollars? I mean I don't know how much hp the stock internalss of the 3.6 were designed to handle but 500hp (if what you said is true) is probably reaching those limits...

I got that "at the wheels" number from this quote:


The guys at DREVolution Motorsports (http://www.drevolutionmotorsports.com/) are reporting that they're actually measuring 420-430 horsepower at the wheels from Camaro testing. That would suggest almost 500 horsepower at the crank.


Definitely interested in more power here. Waiting to see if this successfully moves from planned product to full on product for our CTS. Price seems reasonable and at least competitive with pricing for similar products on other vehicles (well at least to the Corvette products since that is all I've ever looked at in the past). I plan on stashing away some money for this - if it lives up to the marketing - I'll be using it.

I'm anxious to see what happens as well. Maybe people have been looking for a CTS that's quick but not necessary a race car.

kingtj
01-11-12, 12:09 PM
Yeah, I'm very interested in this too -- but frankly, warranty is my main concern as well. I already paid a good bit of money for an extended warranty on top of my GM factory warranty, to ensure everything's covered after the "bumper to bumper" factory coverage expires. If I went with this kit, I'd probably be voiding out ALL of that and winding up with no coverage at all for the engine/transmission except whatever they've got for $275.

Honestly, I wish they had a way to get this thing marketed as a Cadillac authorized upgrade part, that wouldn't affect your factory warranty as long as a Cadillac dealer did the installation. (That's starting to happen more and more often now with some other vehicles out there. Toyota, for example, has done that for many years with their Toyota Racing Development parts offered at some of their dealerships.)

RippyPartsDept
01-11-12, 12:20 PM
GM has a Performance Parts group ... you can check out the parts catalog here http://store.gmperformanceparts.com/store/Welcome.do

rlum
01-11-12, 08:00 PM
I might take a hard look at this when my factory warranty expires. But I would wonder if my '09 CTS4, without the performance package, would be up to the increased HP and torque. Would the brakes and AT be up to handling the increased power?

MTL_CTS
01-11-12, 10:47 PM
I found the thread from camaro5.com:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181527

It's a bit shady in that the company had a track day with the S/C camaro V6 but never released any performance numbers.

Also as of now I don't think any of the kits have shipped yet so no one has done this to their car yet...

escap317
01-11-12, 11:06 PM
I would be most interested in a twin turbo kit . ThanKs for the info.

kingtj
01-13-12, 11:04 AM
Sure, that's always a question. But if you go by the results people typically see with such upgrades on other vehicles out there, it's *generally* true that a power increase of up to 75-100HP or so is doable without other components needing an upgrade to handle it. Engineers almost always build components with some extra tolerance above what they expect an application to require. (Just makes sense if you want to reduce risk of accidents or sudden failures when a part ages/wears, or you want a "comfort zone" to account for unexpected scenarios.)

When it comes to brakes, for example? Designers know people may be trying to pull heavy trailers or have their vehicles overloaded beyond the maximum recommended weight capacity. They're not going to build the vehicle with brakes that won't be able to stop whenever one of those conditions happens.... It'd lead to backlash and customer dissatisfaction from all the bad press - even IF the reality was people using the vehicle outside the owners' manual recommendations. So by the same token, they should stop your car if you've added 100 HP or so to it and you're otherwise driving it in normal, "in spec" conditions.

With the automatic transmission, I'd think adequate cooling would be the biggest concern. You shouldn't have parts just snapping in two and failing in there from the added HP this supercharger kit claims to provide, BUT you might see some overheating with extended use on a track or even up steep grades... A transmission cooler kit would probably be a relatively inexpensive and worthwhile upgrade to pair up with such a thing.



I might take a hard look at this when my factory warranty expires. But I would wonder if my '09 CTS4, without the performance package, would be up to the increased HP and torque. Would the brakes and AT be up to handling the increased power?

M5eater
01-14-12, 10:01 AM
Glad these are avaliable and at a decent price. Should spice-up the CTS aftermarket a LOT, i'm surprised it took this long to get parts for the 3.6 acutally. I wonder what it does to the 30mpg fuel economy in the maro.

uberwayne53
01-22-12, 05:28 PM
Wish this was for the 2012!

LS2 Solstice
01-31-12, 11:34 PM
I don't understand the post that say " I don't know what this motor can handle" and then say " It won't hold much more then xxx hp".. Really? Who knows what they can handle. The 2.0 turbo in the solstice was the same way, until people were putting down 450+ to the tires without tearing the motor down to build to handle the power. Until someone's really pushing these motors I say let's see what happends.. The LS motors were and to some point are still really underrated by some.. Just sayin.

beanjapan
02-04-12, 08:48 AM
Looks like this is only for the Camaro. Anyone know if it will package on the CTS?

Lord Cadillac
02-04-12, 09:40 AM
Looks like this is only for the Camaro. Anyone know if it will package on the CTS?

That's what they're working on now. It'll be available soon...

beanjapan
02-06-12, 03:44 PM
That's what they're working on now. It'll be available soon...

It will get here about the same time that the D3 supercharger arrives... that was only 3 years ago...

rics8
02-07-12, 11:33 AM
our tarns would have to be upgraded, they top out at around 400-500. the max torque on the tarns would have to be around 450.. internals would not handle the load. the wheels and teeth would snap all day long.

IF caddy was smart: turbo the v6 and mate carmaro or vette trans. 3inch full exhaust, with cts interitor and sts body size and that's a great car!!!!

nguyendot
02-20-12, 04:24 PM
How are they handling our ECU? Doesn't our CTS have multiple revisions of ECUs....one of the main reasons we haven't gotten any toys yet?

rockryno
02-21-12, 10:17 PM
yea i heard our CTS's main set backs were the computer's lack of tuning ability, and second the drivetrain's inability to handle barely more than the 304 hp ours are putting out stock.

I would LOVE more power out of my 3.6! hell I drive it like it were a V all day long, it just does't perform as such...

Cuest
02-22-12, 05:15 PM
Shit, I was thinking of getting a used V but if this comes out I would do this instead since I already have a few things done to my CTS and would hate to have to do it all over again.

concorso
03-01-12, 11:26 AM
and second the drivetrain's inability to handle barely more than the 304 hp ours are putting out stock.
Where is the proof? The manufacturer may state the trans is only good to a certain hp, but oyu can generally put more pwoer through them if you are careful. The first gen CTS with 5L40E was rated to handle 250 hp...The trans is allready seeing 400 or thereabouts without problems.

KFallsCTSwagon
03-22-12, 10:05 PM
Like the thought but yes, warranty and wear and tear would be biggest concerns. For me my CTS 3.6 Wagon is great but wouldn't mind the extra power this supercharger claims. I was going to get the V but realized they don't make it in AWD that I need for the winters here, so I basically setted for the 3.6 vs the LS6. I miss the power on my CTS as I also have an '04 M3 BMW and love the snappiness (let alone the handling) of the throttle on the Beemer. I chose the wagon because I love my dogs to travel with me and this was a perfect choice vehicle for the two of them. So who is willing to "try" this out for performance and warranty purposes? I read some reviews about "shadyness" in some aspects of incorporating this bolt on so I would urge the product maker (Iknow you must be reading this) to really thoroughly research the scenarios that all of us want for this addition is to be put on our vehicle. I work with insurance companies and the best caution is to prevent claims from ever happening. Obviously they (claims) will happen at times but to not objectively look into those possibilities and just "put the product out their, make the money, and then deal with the aftermath" is something I wouldn't want to see. I really like the idea of this product but hopefully the manufacturer and its affiliates would be moral enough to put an awesome product out there and stand behind it. ...."just saying"

Lovemy2010cts
10-29-12, 11:32 AM
Any update on the cts supercharger?

TheGarda
12-04-12, 01:00 AM
Anyone got a link for a purchase for these turbos?

TQ CTS
08-11-13, 02:15 AM
Is this only available for DI engines. I have a 2008 that is not a DI but am super interested in performance upgrades.

carnut108
08-23-13, 12:27 AM
Is this only available for DI engines. I have a 2008 that is not a DI but am super interested in performance upgrades.

Ditto

carnut108
08-30-13, 10:07 PM
still waiting for an answer 3.6 non- DI turbo available ?

X E Ryder
12-07-13, 11:02 AM
IPF / KPE Will not have a Supercharger kit for the CTS anytime is the direct future. Why? The sheet metal for the shock towers is far tighter than on the Camaro, rendering the Camaro kit engineering useless to us (damnit), it Just Won't Fit! I spoke to them at length yesterday and they DO want to build the kit, but it will have to be engineered from scratch. As the vendor backed by some original engineers of the ECU tunes, this would be the most reliable way to go.




We have been doing the 3.6 DI's for over 2 years and have 22 so far on the road with 2 more scheduled for this month... I dont know of anyone else that has done as much with the GM 3.6L DI engines than we have.....but more are offering mods all the time so its getting more common.

Dan Paling in Detroit was the first AWD 3.6 DI and you can find his build and post on here...also BJ Wall in Atlanta.....and there are plenty of pictures here and videos the owners have all over youtube. I am an old fart that does not know how to post videos, only still pictures from photobucket.

:thumbsup:

Still waiting to see ANY video and dyno sheets for one of your installs on a CTS, please post them up! There is nothing on YouTube about a Supercharged (or turbo actually) CTS 3.6 except for the single one D3 did for one of its employees. Where Are ANY Of The 22 Cars?!? Thanks.

To the owners of those cars, Post Up! Show us the results, thanks!

CTS_
12-19-13, 01:58 PM
This would be nice to see. is there any updates on whether or not the supercharger for the cts will be made?

0208656
01-09-14, 04:53 AM
Is the supercharge kit still available for the CTS 2011 3.6l v6?

Swollengoat
01-17-14, 11:11 PM
I am interested in this supercharger for my 2011 CTS Premium 3.6L. Is this available?

Thanks

Rev_on_me
02-04-14, 07:32 PM
Bump, I'm also an owner of a 2008 Non DI.

I'd purchase that kit tomorrow if it was made available.

Thanks

David (Rev_on_me@Hotmail.com)

KPE
09-30-14, 10:11 AM
Hello 3.6L DI CTS Fans far and near, the prototype kit is nearing completion and we will be going into production finally!! The kit is using a Procharger C2 head unit and will be selling the complete kit with tuning for $6499.00 + Shipping $125 anywhere in the continental US. We are building limited quantities on a first come first served basis. To gauge actual interest and build quantities we are requiring a $1000 fully refundable deposit to secure your kit. Once the prototype has been sufficiently road and track tested we will proceed with manufacturing. ETA is still a couple months out. This will be a top quality 100% Bolt-on kit with OE fit and finish. Our kits are built in an ISO 9001 manufacturing facility, all anodized CNC machined parts, powder coated components for OE fit, finish, quality and appearance. HP will be in the 430-450 crank range. The kit will be made available to all Cadillac 2008+ CTS Sedan, Coupe and Wagon. LLT or LFX engine.

To secure your kit please email me: andy@kpe-products.com

KPE
10-07-14, 03:51 PM
54,000 Views on this thread and not one person on here is interested in a supercharger kit for their 3.6L CTS?? Hello...

CTS_
10-14-14, 01:16 AM
54,000 Views on this thread and not one person on here is interested in a supercharger kit for their 3.6L CTS?? Hello...
Very interested, but would like to see more about this before pulling the trigger and paying a 1000 dollar deposite

KPE
10-14-14, 08:29 AM
Very interested, but would like to see more about this before pulling the trigger and paying a 1000 dollar deposite

Stay tuned for more info then, I will post the progress here! We should be all finished in a couple weeks :)

everestx
10-17-14, 11:44 AM
Very interested in this kit!

Willing to participate in intial buy including deposit with dyno sheet and full prototype/production unit install pics provided!

Quarter mile times welcome.

SanDiego CTS
10-19-14, 02:24 PM
I would be interested in this . 2011 cts di.

Anyone have any idea as to what the install would cost ? And if it's reversible , couldn't I take it off before I took it in for service to maintain my warranty ??

I'm in San Diego if you couldn't tell from my name . Would I just go to a custom auto shop to install?

AngelDevoid
10-25-14, 11:47 AM
Have 2014 CTS4 coupe. Will this kit work with this car. Very interested.

KPE
10-27-14, 11:21 AM
Have 2014 CTS4 coupe. Will this kit work with this car. Very interested.

Yes this will be available for all CTS 2008-2013 Sedan Coupe and Wagon 3.6L LLT or LFX engine platform.

raulonavarr0
11-08-14, 09:50 PM
Will it work for the 3.0?

jamiejam1
11-10-14, 12:20 PM
Again what of the 14 Coupe 3.6?

KPE
11-11-14, 09:48 AM
Will it work for the 3.0?

The kit will work on the 3.6L DI only, sorry

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Again what of the 14 Coupe 3.6?

Yes we will have an LLT 3.6L 2008-2011 version and an LFX 3.6L 2012-2014 (excludes 2014 Sedan - new body style)

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Have 2014 CTS4 coupe. Will this kit work with this car. Very interested.

Yes the kit will work on the AWD model as well.

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Very interested, but would like to see more about this before pulling the trigger and paying a 1000 dollar deposite

The deposit is 100% refundable! We are gauging how many kits will be manufactured. We are anticipating 50 for the build. Over 20 are already pre-sold, the deposit is just to secure your place in line. If you change your mind the deposit is refundable. No questions asked. If you miss the opportunity, it may be a while before we build another lot. Its more of a placeholder to secure your kit, we also anticipate to have all 50 units spoken for by the time production commences. We had a very good response at the SEMA show and are basing our success off our Camaro 3.6L Kit we have been producing for over 3 years now.

KPE
11-11-14, 09:54 AM
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KPE
11-20-14, 10:31 AM
Very interested in this kit!

Willing to participate in intial buy including deposit with dyno sheet and full prototype/production unit install pics provided!

Quarter mile times welcome.

Hitting the Rollers later today or tomorrow, I Will post results when available, here is picture of the kit installed. Feels great on the road! Upgraded to V-Brakes on my wagon as well. WOW big difference.

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thanox2
12-08-14, 11:54 PM
Results?

KPE
12-09-14, 09:13 AM
We are playing with a few different variations to maximize the results, once we get the numbers we are looking for I will post the dyno graph and video, then off to the track :)

everestx
12-11-14, 01:16 AM
Awesome. Have any pics of how the intercooler is installed? Curious if its in the upper or lower half of the facia

thanox2
01-03-15, 10:35 PM
I know holidays usually slow everything down but any new updates? Also pictures of the intercooler as requested before?

KPE
01-05-15, 12:04 PM
I know holidays usually slow everything down but any new updates? Also pictures of the intercooler as requested before?

Here is a picture of the inter-cooler mounted with the bumper off.

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thanox2
01-12-15, 09:15 PM
Here is a picture of the inter-cooler mounted with the bumper off.

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Thank you.

thanox2
01-25-15, 10:46 PM
Updates?

lazarus
02-15-15, 03:16 AM
dont want to sound like a bummer, but if thisnt out soon, whats to stop ppl from simply trading up to the v sport w factory twins? id like to see some uodates as well, been lurking for a long while. might as well do a turbo buick swap

KPE
02-15-15, 11:32 AM
dont want to sound like a bummer, but if thisnt out soon, whats to stop ppl from simply trading up to the v sport w factory twins? id like to see some uodates as well, been lurking for a long while. might as well do a turbo buick swap

Thank you for your interest in our supercharger kit and it is coming out soon, I am driving the prototype vehicle everyday and making sure all the kinks are out and the system is a solid 100% daily driver reliable product. Our kit will be in the 6K-7K price range. The V-Sport is a newer model vehicle in the 60K-70K Price range and there are not many used ones out there. So our target customer is not in the market for a V-Sport, that's a whole different ball game. Our customers have 2008-2013 CTS 3.6L Vehicles. The older vehicles you can pick up a really nice used CTS in the 20K-30K Range or even less, so its not the same market as a 70K new vehicle customer. I would say honestly if your in the market for a new V-Sport, just buy a used CTS-V 6.2L instead. We are just offering a middle ground for the V6 enthusiasts since there are very many of these cars on the road, a good used inventory nationally at affordable prices and easy to come by. Not to mention lots of people are wanting to make a nice performance upgrade to their current CTS. We do have other plans for upgrades on the V-Sport model as well, but are waiting to see how the V-Sport, new CTS-V and ATS-V markets develop in the coming year.

Stay tuned for more updates. :) Thanks!

avi1777
03-15-15, 08:16 AM
cool but no fuel upgrades?

KPE
03-16-15, 11:11 AM
cool but no fuel upgrades?

At 430 HP no fuel system upgrades are required.

jamiejam1
04-01-15, 11:18 AM
is there a status of availability yet?

KPE
04-01-15, 11:41 AM
is there a status of availability yet?

Our full engineering staff and consultants will all be at our R&D facility in the next two weeks, at that time we will have the kit dialed in and ready for production I have been driving the prototype vehicle since November. Once production has started we are building kits for all of our customers who have placed a pre-order with us for the kits. We anticipate to fulfill these by early summer. For those who have not placed a pre-order there is a waiting list until another production run is completed. These kits will be available by special order only as we are not planning on stocking these as inventory.

waunakee wayne
04-01-15, 09:12 PM
Andy, can you PM me on this I am very ready now for the opportunity to whip some butt on the streets, I've done about every mod. I can, car runs awesome and alot of fun but I need for speed:).

Fgonzalez
05-29-15, 12:52 PM
Question, I've had my caddy for about 3 months now (2008 cts 3.6l di). I've taken care of her and it's had two previous owners, the last guy hardly drove it at all but I have suspicions the first guy drove it a little hard because there is some mods that I could tell had been reversed to stock. Regardless she's been fine and had no problems, I was wondering if supercharging her would effect the longevity of the engines life? I've heard from most my family (they happen to be in the auto industry) not to use any forced induction on a high mileage vehicle. But then again most of them are older than me so it could just be they don't want me having that extra hp haha. So yea opinions? As of right now all I am running is a k&n CAI and I plan on getting my exhaust done within the next month, and if I decide to go with the supercharger, probably by December. Thanks and appreciate any feedback.

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Haha how dumb of me to not say how many miles, I'm coming up on 78,000 miles.

KPE
06-08-15, 04:51 PM
We have lots of our Camaro customers installing our kit on the Gen 5 3.6L Camaro's with higher mileage and have not seen any premature failures. But unfortunately due to the lack of interest we have put this project on the shelf, there just aren't enough buyers to make the investment at this time. Still running the prototype on my car since November and it runs great, but we are likely selling the car, shelfing the kit and moving on to other projects for now... As of now we still offer our stainless exhaust (all), intakes (2008-2011) and tuning software (all) for the 3.6L CTS

Fgonzalez
06-08-15, 09:42 PM
Damn I see, well that's unfortunate, however thanks for the response and info regardless. I'll just have to see about other means of forced induction if possible.

Mrjb9475
06-10-15, 06:25 PM
Well there goes saving up for my supercharger from KPE

KLX
06-10-15, 07:57 PM
Well I guess I can dig up my supercharger money jar... (well I guess I can get that operation now :-)

Cads4life
06-11-15, 04:07 PM
We have lots of our Camaro customers installing our kit on the Gen 5 3.6L Camaro's with higher mileage and have not seen any premature failures. But unfortunately due to the lack of interest we have put this project on the shelf, there just aren't enough buyers to make the investment at this time. Still running the prototype on my car since November and it runs great, but we are likely selling the car, shelfing the kit and moving on to other projects for now... As of now we still offer our stainless exhaust (all), intakes (2008-2011) and tuning software (all) for the 3.6L CTS

This may be off topic, but since you have mentioned it. Will you guys ever make air intakes for the 2012+ 2nd generation?

jamiejam1
06-24-15, 12:40 PM
Well, No Offense, but It's Kind of difficult to justify and invest 1000.00- on the front side for a product that you still haven't developed fully, hasn't gone into production, and the test data has been sparse to put it mildly.. That being said 6000.00 for said package is a premium price as well.. It shouldn't take Years to develop a Blower kit for a car and not have hard data to respond with showing the same hard data.. I know I work hard for my dime, and wouldn't be investing in the kit unless it was with data proven. Telling members you have a kit in your own car for six months testing it, and have had no issues, isn't really telling us anything as far as hard data.. Showing absolute gains, deficits, or Issues that have been charted thats what defines the potential interest in a product. This mod seems to only have failed coming to fruition only due to the lack of due diligence and empty promises…. Its a shame cBecause Im sure there were those out there that sent money, waited and got nothing for their efforts or troubles...

KPE
06-24-15, 03:30 PM
Well, No Offense, but It's Kind of difficult to justify and invest 1000.00- on the front side for a product that you still haven't developed fully, hasn't gone into production, and the test data has been sparse to put it mildly.. That being said 6000.00 for said package is a premium price as well.. It shouldn't take Years to develop a Blower kit for a car and not have hard data to respond with showing the same hard data.. I know I work hard for my dime, and wouldn't be investing in the kit unless it was with data proven. Telling members you have a kit in your own car for six months testing it, and have had no issues, isn't really telling us anything as far as hard data.. Showing absolute gains, deficits, or Issues that have been charted thats what defines the potential interest in a product. This mod seems to only have failed coming to fruition only due to the lack of due diligence and empty promises…. Its a shame cBecause Im sure there were those out there that sent money, waited and got nothing for their efforts or troubles...

Well, No Offense to you but if you need to start a comment with "well, no offense" then maybe you should keep your opinions to yourself, but hey, that's just my opinion. To launch production and reach the desired sales goals to break even on the project would have taken more capital than we were willing to invest, as we have other, less complex items with a much better return on investment. We collectively decided the project is too complex, used too many resources and just is not worth our time. We can invest our efforts into other products that will yield better ROI with less efforts. If you think its a slam dunk and want to put your capital on the line to take this product to fruition than we will gladly start negotiations for you to purchase the manufacturing rights, prototype kit and all the data we have collected and you can produce the kit yourself.

My Wagon put down +80 RWHP over stock consistently using the smaller C2 unit without any issues, we are getting better results on the Camaro with the V3 (around +110 RWHP), however that unit will not fit the CTS engine compartment. Any deposits that were made were 100% refunded and none of those customers had an issue other than disappointment. There was no promise ever made to any paying customer that production was 100% guaranteed, everyone was told going into this that there is a chance we will not proceed and if that were the case they would receive a 100% refund... and they all did. So again I do not see the reason for any of your rude comments.

Have a great day and thanks for your continued support!

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This may be off topic, but since you have mentioned it. Will you guys ever make air intakes for the 2012+ 2nd generation?

Due to the MAF design and proper fueling of the engine the short answer is no. Sorry.

jamiejam1
06-24-15, 04:07 PM
Well Let me just respond with this.. and Ill leave it at that because I have no interest in getting into a P----ing match cause no good comes of it..

But as a person experienced in Business, Production, fabrication and distribution, ( in the automotive Market) I do know what bringing product to market entails, did you not pre-think that the startup costs for a Product line such as this, which you obviously had the prototype completed, would have shown a bottom line per unit? If it was far more than what the company was willing to spend to invest in it, That would have been something that would have been realized on the front side Long ago, based on parts supply, fabrication cost, Mock Testing, sales, shipping and so on..

Why even take deposits? The Logic is without merit and appears you're just trying to simply CYA, cause you couldn't deliver.. This thread dates back 3 years already and still no product, at this rate, by the time you'd have put the units out, Most of the 2nd Gen 3.6's would be in their "senior" status… But it is what it is.. False hopes and false promises…

As for Opinions this is a forum, so unless you are making my "supporting Member" payment. I suggest you mind to your own issues and not worry about the opinions I have or express.. I did not insult your company nor did I insinuate anything other that it was a failed promise to deliver a product to market.

Good Day!

Mrjb9475
06-24-15, 05:40 PM
Question is the camaro kit still available and it was mentioned it wouldnt fit under the hood what if one was to change hood to a v hood? Thanks

KPE
06-24-15, 06:23 PM
I agree with some of what you are saying... and this could have been handled differently. However some things are just out of our hands and with all your business experience you should know that things just don't always work out as planed, even the best laid out plans can fail. You do not have all the facts, details or know any of the extenuating circumstances surrounding the decision. We apologize to any customers who may have been affected. We strive to keep our customers happy and provide excellent customer service, we have a good reputation, stand behind our products and if we cannot fulfill our customers needs we make good on our end and do what we can to make it right. In this case we provided refunds and pulled the product from our website for the time being. We kept our word, refunded any and all customers because we could not deliver in a timely manner.

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Question is the camaro kit still available and it was mentioned it wouldnt fit under the hood what if one was to change hood to a v hood? Thanks

Yes the Camaro Kit is still in production, the problem is the strut tower on the CTS is very close to the engine (Camaro is much wider and larger engine compartment) The Camaro kit head unit actually would hit the side and top of the strut tower as well as the hood (even a V hood), also the Camaro utilized the Vortech V3 head-unit which is way to big, there is no place to fit a unit this large. For the CTS we used the C2 by Procharger which is fairly smaller. Lastly the Camaro intercooler is also too large for the CTS. The CTS has limited space for an inter-cooler (half the space a Camaro has) which is what was limiting the CTS to 80 RWHP as opposed to the Camaro with gains of 110-120+. The smaller head unit, plus more restrictive inter-cooler limits the power potential. Although 80 WHP is nice, we were hoping for more.

jamiejam1
06-25-15, 07:16 AM
Again Im not saying you didn't… and very very respectable that unlike so many others in the marketplace, you stood up and did what is right in honoring the full refund on the deposit as it was not a due diligence issue on the customer's behalf.. Just disappointing that it all fell through and took so long in waiting, to come to that… I hope someone comes to market with something, or finds even a way to make a TT to rival the VSport edition Just to give that edge… :)

KPE
06-25-15, 12:44 PM
Again Im not saying you didn't… and very very respectable that unlike so many others in the marketplace, you stood up and did what is right in honoring the full refund on the deposit as it was not a due diligence issue on the customer's behalf.. Just disappointing that it all fell through and took so long in waiting, to come to that… I hope someone comes to market with something, or finds even a way to make a TT to rival the VSport edition Just to give that edge… :)

Believe me jamiejam1... I'm just as disappointed as you, I have allot of time and money invested into this project and wanted to see it through. Its frustrating when you cant get the backing you need. The project isn't dead... but until I have more resources and the time to proceed, its back on hold for now. And as you stated previously it almost seems the window of opportunity has passed... which makes it a harder sale on my end to continue investing in a legacy vehicle.

A large portion of our business is new car dealers, to stay competitive we need to maintain focus on current models to support our dealer network. I looked into Turbos as well on the CTS, still one major issue on these is the limited space. We toyed around with a single larger turbo set-up behind the engine, but install is a PITA, and there are more failure points and also need to plumb the turbo for cooling and draining. Once again possible, but not practical with a more complex install. One-off custom build...no problem, building a profitable production kit that's at a fair price for consumers... not as easy. I also looked into dropping an LF3 TT from a V-Sport into my Wagon... but that's going to be an engineering nightmare with the 30+ on board computers and canbus communications errors. Possible... maybe??? difficult...YES. Am I gonna do it... NO :)

Jason N
06-28-15, 04:32 PM
I am the guy with the AWD Wagon that discussed the SC kit at SEMA. I am a tad disappointed, but still optimistic that something else will come along.

Have you taken a look at a roots type SC like the V?

I know a guy with a CTS with TT mounted alongside the trans. I thought about this but since I like in the Midwest and this is my daily, kinda scared the turbos would corrode our worse.

I also was interested in a V-Sport swap... So your saying you investigated and it would be too much surgery? Would the heads, intake, downpipes, turbos fit an LLT?

garyss
07-08-15, 07:25 PM
and their saying you cant add 125 shot of nos.

KPE
07-08-15, 08:01 PM
I am the guy with the AWD Wagon that discussed the SC kit at SEMA. I am a tad disappointed, but still optimistic that something else will come along.

Have you taken a look at a roots type SC like the V?

I know a guy with a CTS with TT mounted alongside the trans. I thought about this but since I like in the Midwest and this is my daily, kinda scared the turbos would corrode our worse.

I also was interested in a V-Sport swap... So your saying you investigated and it would be too much surgery? Would the heads, intake, downpipes, turbos fit an LLT?

Not sure if you could reuse the short-block, I didn't get that far... The ECU swap was complicated to the point I bailed on the idea. I just pulled the prototype off my car this week and shelved it for right now, we're not completely 86'ing the project, too much time and money invested. But we need to pursue lower hanging fruit at this point and focus more on our core tuning business.