: 2008-2011 Cadillac CTS 3.6L Supercharger = 430hp at the wheels



Lord Cadillac
01-10-12, 04:33 PM
KPE (a supporting vendor in this community) is the distributor for a supercharger kit soon to be released by IPF Tuning targeted at the General Motors 3.6 liter LLT V6 engine. The stock engine in the 2008-2011 CTS made 304 horsepower. With this new supercharger a 3.6L V6 would have over 400 horsepower - which is a bit more power than an LS6/LS2 2004-2008 Cadillac CTS-V.

The kit targets the LLT due to its use as the standard engine in the Chevrolet Camaro, but fitment there also enables fitment for the Cadillac CTS 3.6L. It is not clear if the same kit will work equally well on the 2012 LFX engines until further testing and tuning has been done.

http://www.cadillacforums.com/images/kpe-supercharger.gif

IPF’s test claims are an improvement to 435 hp and 360 lb ft of torque. For the CTS 3.6L that power would change it from a 6.3s 0-60 time to under 5.1s under ideal conditions, and get it into the 13s in the quarter mile. Cost of the kit for the Camaro is US$5,590, with a $1K deposit for pre-orders. As of this article kits do not appear to be shipping yet.

http://www.cadillacforums.com/images/kpe-supercharger2.gif

The kit includes the supercharger, intercooler, and appropriate custom brackets and mounting hardware.

The Supercharger head unit is a Vortech V3 Self contained unit. No drilling into the oil pan or complicated plumbing is needed. The intercooler has a thick core for maximum cooling efficiency with minimal pressure drop. All the hardware is high quality and made in the USA. A Powertrain Warranty (http://cornerstoneperformance.com/) is available from IPF and is valid when the kit is installed by an ASE Certified Technician. The kit will sell for $5590.00 plus shipping. The Powertrain Warranty is $275.00 which covers engine and transmission. Again most of the forced induction (Turbo kits) do not offer a Powertrain Warranty.


http://youtu.be/dn2VZDU2-7s

KPE Products Contact info:

Dave Loucks
888-222-4291
dave@kpe-products.com
www.KPE-Products.com (http://www.KPE-Products.com)
www.IPF-Tuning.com (http://www.IPF-Tuning.com)


We are currently producing the IPF Supercharger for the 2010-11 Camaro V6. The kits will begin shipping the week of January 16th. There are some kits on backorder but we can still take preorders as of today. Camaro enthusiasts can still put down a deposit to guarantee they get one out of this initial production run!

After we complete this first production of IPF Superchargers for the Camaro, we will be moving on the CTS. Our intent is to have the CTS kit available in the next 90 days. Please let me know if you have any other questions. Thanks!

The guys at DREVolution Motorsports (http://www.drevolutionmotorsports.com/) are reporting that they're actually measuring 420-430 horsepower at the wheels from Camaro testing. That would suggest almost 500 horsepower at the crank.

Lord Cadillac
01-10-12, 11:03 PM
Is this discussion being overlooked because its a sticky? Or is no CTS owner interested in more power?

MTL_CTS
01-11-12, 12:56 AM
In the advertisement it does say hp measured at the flywheel though. Still I would be interested to see a dyno graph from a camaro owner who has done this successfully to their V6 it would be interesting. A great option for sure for 3.6 CTS owners who want some extra power! Finally it looks like a complete bolt-in, quality forced induction package will be available :)

Just the same I would probably never do this mod... I drive my car every day and need it to be reliable all the time. And this would of course void the factory warranty. The KPE warranty seems a bit sketchy to me. Like every time some guy blows their motor with too much boost and needs a rebuild or breaks their transmission they are just going to fork over thousands of dollars? I mean I don't know how much hp the stock internalss of the 3.6 were designed to handle but 500hp (if what you said is true) is probably reaching those limits...

mrcoupe2002
01-11-12, 09:55 AM
Definitely interested in more power here. Waiting to see if this successfully moves from planned product to full on product for our CTS. Price seems reasonable and at least competitive with pricing for similar products on other vehicles (well at least to the Corvette products since that is all I've ever looked at in the past). I plan on stashing away some money for this - if it lives up to the marketing - I'll be using it.

Lord Cadillac
01-11-12, 10:59 AM
In the advertisement it does say hp measured at the flywheel though. Still I would be interested to see a dyno graph from a camaro owner who has done this successfully to their V6 it would be interesting. A great option for sure for 3.6 CTS owners who want some extra power! Finally it looks like a complete bolt-in, quality forced induction package will be available :)

Just the same I would probably never do this mod... I drive my car every day and need it to be reliable all the time. And this would of course void the factory warranty. The KPE warranty seems a bit sketchy to me. Like every time some guy blows their motor with too much boost and needs a rebuild or breaks their transmission they are just going to fork over thousands of dollars? I mean I don't know how much hp the stock internalss of the 3.6 were designed to handle but 500hp (if what you said is true) is probably reaching those limits...

I got that "at the wheels" number from this quote:


The guys at DREVolution Motorsports (http://www.drevolutionmotorsports.com/) are reporting that they're actually measuring 420-430 horsepower at the wheels from Camaro testing. That would suggest almost 500 horsepower at the crank.


Definitely interested in more power here. Waiting to see if this successfully moves from planned product to full on product for our CTS. Price seems reasonable and at least competitive with pricing for similar products on other vehicles (well at least to the Corvette products since that is all I've ever looked at in the past). I plan on stashing away some money for this - if it lives up to the marketing - I'll be using it.

I'm anxious to see what happens as well. Maybe people have been looking for a CTS that's quick but not necessary a race car.

kingtj
01-11-12, 12:09 PM
Yeah, I'm very interested in this too -- but frankly, warranty is my main concern as well. I already paid a good bit of money for an extended warranty on top of my GM factory warranty, to ensure everything's covered after the "bumper to bumper" factory coverage expires. If I went with this kit, I'd probably be voiding out ALL of that and winding up with no coverage at all for the engine/transmission except whatever they've got for $275.

Honestly, I wish they had a way to get this thing marketed as a Cadillac authorized upgrade part, that wouldn't affect your factory warranty as long as a Cadillac dealer did the installation. (That's starting to happen more and more often now with some other vehicles out there. Toyota, for example, has done that for many years with their Toyota Racing Development parts offered at some of their dealerships.)

RippyPartsDept
01-11-12, 12:20 PM
GM has a Performance Parts group ... you can check out the parts catalog here http://store.gmperformanceparts.com/store/Welcome.do

rlum
01-11-12, 08:00 PM
I might take a hard look at this when my factory warranty expires. But I would wonder if my '09 CTS4, without the performance package, would be up to the increased HP and torque. Would the brakes and AT be up to handling the increased power?

MTL_CTS
01-11-12, 10:47 PM
I found the thread from camaro5.com:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181527

It's a bit shady in that the company had a track day with the S/C camaro V6 but never released any performance numbers.

Also as of now I don't think any of the kits have shipped yet so no one has done this to their car yet...

escap317
01-11-12, 11:06 PM
I would be most interested in a twin turbo kit . ThanKs for the info.

kingtj
01-13-12, 11:04 AM
Sure, that's always a question. But if you go by the results people typically see with such upgrades on other vehicles out there, it's *generally* true that a power increase of up to 75-100HP or so is doable without other components needing an upgrade to handle it. Engineers almost always build components with some extra tolerance above what they expect an application to require. (Just makes sense if you want to reduce risk of accidents or sudden failures when a part ages/wears, or you want a "comfort zone" to account for unexpected scenarios.)

When it comes to brakes, for example? Designers know people may be trying to pull heavy trailers or have their vehicles overloaded beyond the maximum recommended weight capacity. They're not going to build the vehicle with brakes that won't be able to stop whenever one of those conditions happens.... It'd lead to backlash and customer dissatisfaction from all the bad press - even IF the reality was people using the vehicle outside the owners' manual recommendations. So by the same token, they should stop your car if you've added 100 HP or so to it and you're otherwise driving it in normal, "in spec" conditions.

With the automatic transmission, I'd think adequate cooling would be the biggest concern. You shouldn't have parts just snapping in two and failing in there from the added HP this supercharger kit claims to provide, BUT you might see some overheating with extended use on a track or even up steep grades... A transmission cooler kit would probably be a relatively inexpensive and worthwhile upgrade to pair up with such a thing.



I might take a hard look at this when my factory warranty expires. But I would wonder if my '09 CTS4, without the performance package, would be up to the increased HP and torque. Would the brakes and AT be up to handling the increased power?

M5eater
01-14-12, 10:01 AM
Glad these are avaliable and at a decent price. Should spice-up the CTS aftermarket a LOT, i'm surprised it took this long to get parts for the 3.6 acutally. I wonder what it does to the 30mpg fuel economy in the maro.

uberwayne53
01-22-12, 05:28 PM
Wish this was for the 2012!

LS2 Solstice
01-31-12, 11:34 PM
I don't understand the post that say " I don't know what this motor can handle" and then say " It won't hold much more then xxx hp".. Really? Who knows what they can handle. The 2.0 turbo in the solstice was the same way, until people were putting down 450+ to the tires without tearing the motor down to build to handle the power. Until someone's really pushing these motors I say let's see what happends.. The LS motors were and to some point are still really underrated by some.. Just sayin.

beanjapan
02-04-12, 08:48 AM
Looks like this is only for the Camaro. Anyone know if it will package on the CTS?

Lord Cadillac
02-04-12, 09:40 AM
Looks like this is only for the Camaro. Anyone know if it will package on the CTS?

That's what they're working on now. It'll be available soon...

beanjapan
02-06-12, 03:44 PM
That's what they're working on now. It'll be available soon...

It will get here about the same time that the D3 supercharger arrives... that was only 3 years ago...

rics8
02-07-12, 11:33 AM
our tarns would have to be upgraded, they top out at around 400-500. the max torque on the tarns would have to be around 450.. internals would not handle the load. the wheels and teeth would snap all day long.

IF caddy was smart: turbo the v6 and mate carmaro or vette trans. 3inch full exhaust, with cts interitor and sts body size and that's a great car!!!!

nguyendot
02-20-12, 04:24 PM
How are they handling our ECU? Doesn't our CTS have multiple revisions of ECUs....one of the main reasons we haven't gotten any toys yet?

rockryno
02-21-12, 10:17 PM
yea i heard our CTS's main set backs were the computer's lack of tuning ability, and second the drivetrain's inability to handle barely more than the 304 hp ours are putting out stock.

I would LOVE more power out of my 3.6! hell I drive it like it were a V all day long, it just does't perform as such...

Cuest
02-22-12, 05:15 PM
Shit, I was thinking of getting a used V but if this comes out I would do this instead since I already have a few things done to my CTS and would hate to have to do it all over again.

concorso
03-01-12, 11:26 AM
and second the drivetrain's inability to handle barely more than the 304 hp ours are putting out stock.
Where is the proof? The manufacturer may state the trans is only good to a certain hp, but oyu can generally put more pwoer through them if you are careful. The first gen CTS with 5L40E was rated to handle 250 hp...The trans is allready seeing 400 or thereabouts without problems.

KFallsCTSwagon
03-22-12, 10:05 PM
Like the thought but yes, warranty and wear and tear would be biggest concerns. For me my CTS 3.6 Wagon is great but wouldn't mind the extra power this supercharger claims. I was going to get the V but realized they don't make it in AWD that I need for the winters here, so I basically setted for the 3.6 vs the LS6. I miss the power on my CTS as I also have an '04 M3 BMW and love the snappiness (let alone the handling) of the throttle on the Beemer. I chose the wagon because I love my dogs to travel with me and this was a perfect choice vehicle for the two of them. So who is willing to "try" this out for performance and warranty purposes? I read some reviews about "shadyness" in some aspects of incorporating this bolt on so I would urge the product maker (Iknow you must be reading this) to really thoroughly research the scenarios that all of us want for this addition is to be put on our vehicle. I work with insurance companies and the best caution is to prevent claims from ever happening. Obviously they (claims) will happen at times but to not objectively look into those possibilities and just "put the product out their, make the money, and then deal with the aftermath" is something I wouldn't want to see. I really like the idea of this product but hopefully the manufacturer and its affiliates would be moral enough to put an awesome product out there and stand behind it. ...."just saying"

Lovemy2010cts
10-29-12, 11:32 AM
Any update on the cts supercharger?

SC2150
11-07-12, 05:16 PM
We have several of our super charger systems installed on 3.6L DI's w/NO drivetrain issues. 2011 AWD coupe amoung them and doing an avg of one caddy install per 2-3 weeks. We also do single and twin turbo them. No issues with the tune....several are on here that have the RX system, search them and ask for feedback.

2012 & up we do complete custom tuning with HP Tuners on these also.

The highest we have pushed the LLT is just under 700 hp on the dyno, but that is not practical for the street due to fuel issues above 6-7#'s of boost, but the LFX has app 15% more fuel delivery capacity so 7-9# the stock system holds up.

Dan Paling is running 10# of boost on his with meth injection providing the extra fuel needed....and he kicks v8 butts all day long. Dont think he has been beat yet w/his AWD RX supercharged coupe.

We also have forged pistons, dry liner Darton sleeved blocks and forged rods & stroker cranks were almost ready to release and a member here with a 2012 awd is having us build for as much power as possible so that will be new ground.

Search the forum for pics and threads. Quickest any have run in the 1/4 mile with the 6# standard boost is 12.91@109 but far better times are feasable.

:thumbsup:

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Call to schedule any install. 2008 & up DI wagon, sedan, or coupe. at all times we have 2-3 being done a=on various GM platforms and we also have our purpose built stall converter as an option and were seeing 1.8 60's with it added. Gets it into boost quicker.

Any in the area that want to see these builds up close and personal give us a call and stop by....usually have 1 or more to test drive as well for comparison.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii115/RevXtreme1/PatPretty005.jpg
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii115/RevXtreme1/PatPretty006.jpg
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii115/RevXtreme1/CTSintercoolerV6.jpg
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii115/RevXtreme1/PatPretty003.jpg
and twin turbo:
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii115/RevXtreme1/twins.jpg

We do custom ground cams for the LLT & LFX as well.

:thumbsup:

SC2150
11-08-12, 02:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xduZf8r1So&feature=related

Beating up on the V8's:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvIfvOH3bYE&feature=relmfu

TheGarda
12-04-12, 01:00 AM
Anyone got a link for a purchase for these turbos?

X E Ryder
01-06-13, 02:25 PM
We have several of our super charger systems installed on 3.6L DI's w/NO drivetrain issues. 2011 AWD coupe amoung them and doing an avg of one caddy install per 2-3 weeks...

:thumbsup:

So your shop has been doing about 1 per month - you should have like 8 CTS V6's in the bag by now - can we see pictures and video of these installs? Or maybe those users can post up - I would be very interested to hear how those have worked out for them. As you said, by now, there should be a bunch of them running around. None of the pictures in this thread show a completed install so I am eager to see one!

Lovemy2010cts
01-06-13, 07:04 PM
I'd like to see the pictures and install videos on the 3.6 awd.

Thanks

SC2150
01-07-13, 04:05 PM
Call direct for purchase info: 941-721-1826

We have been doing the 3.6 DI's for over 2 years and have 22 so far on the road with 2 more scheduled for this month... I dont know of anyone else that has done as much with the GM 3.6L DI engines than we have.....but more are offering mods all the time so its getting more common.

Dan Paling in Detroit was the first AWD 3.6 DI and you can find his build and post on here...also BJ Wall in Atlanta.....and there are plenty of pictures here and videos the owners have all over youtube. I am an old fart that does not know how to post videos, only still pictures from photobucket.

revx1 is the name of the album to see years of photos of all these different steps and builds.

:thumbsup:

:thumbsup:

X E Ryder
01-07-13, 04:52 PM
Call direct for purchase info: 941-721-1826

....I am an old fart that does not know how to post videos, only still pictures from photobucket.....

revx1 is the name of the album to see years of photos of all these different steps and builds.

:thumbsup:

Hehe. Hey I tried to look you up on Photobucket and searching for revx1 yielded only 2 odd pictures I'm sure are not yours! Can you link your album here? It's a one click on Photobucket to grab the URL - would definitely like to see the album! Thx.

SC2150
02-20-13, 06:15 PM
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Hope this is it.....

RippyPartsDept
02-21-13, 11:04 AM
http://s262.beta.photobucket.com/user/RevXtreme1/library/
that should work

SC2150
02-21-13, 01:12 PM
Thanks!!!! I suck at computers......dang new fangled things my Grandkids can wiz right through!! :thumbsup:

RippyPartsDept
02-21-13, 01:55 PM
the code you pasted was probably correct for the web but the forum doesn't allow straight html code like that and probably stripped out some stuff ... what was left was enough to pick out the relevant link

SC2150
02-21-13, 08:40 PM
Here is the most recent SC'd CTS AWD we just finished:

Di timing chain set and our heads, etc and stall converter whiule we had the engine out:


http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii115/RevXtreme1/CaddCTSSCbuild010_zpsa43b224e.jpg
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http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii115/RevXtreme1/CaddCTSSCbuild003_zps6e1316ee.jpg
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii115/RevXtreme1/CTSSC001_zps4105f6c0.jpg
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii115/RevXtreme1/CTSSC002_zps80aa9f3b.jpg
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii115/RevXtreme1/CTSSC004_zps82491393.jpg
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii115/RevXtreme1/CTSAWD2001_zps294afce2.jpg
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii115/RevXtreme1/CTSAWD2002_zps152254fa.jpg
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii115/RevXtreme1/CTSAWD2003_zpsa7718fe7.jpg

Thing is awesome launching w/AWD.

kuehl
04-09-13, 10:04 PM
Can the Supercharger for the 3.6 be adapted easily to the 3.0 ?

SC2150
04-10-13, 07:22 PM
It can be, but will take ome work. Or we can turbo it.

:thumbsup:

www.RevXtreme.com

TQ CTS
08-11-13, 02:15 AM
Is this only available for DI engines. I have a 2008 that is not a DI but am super interested in performance upgrades.

carnut108
08-23-13, 12:27 AM
Is this only available for DI engines. I have a 2008 that is not a DI but am super interested in performance upgrades.

Ditto

carnut108
08-30-13, 10:07 PM
still waiting for an answer 3.6 non- DI turbo available ?

X E Ryder
12-07-13, 11:02 AM
IPF / KPE Will not have a Supercharger kit for the CTS anytime is the direct future. Why? The sheet metal for the shock towers is far tighter than on the Camaro, rendering the Camaro kit engineering useless to us (damnit), it Just Won't Fit! I spoke to them at length yesterday and they DO want to build the kit, but it will have to be engineered from scratch. As the vendor backed by some original engineers of the ECU tunes, this would be the most reliable way to go.




We have been doing the 3.6 DI's for over 2 years and have 22 so far on the road with 2 more scheduled for this month... I dont know of anyone else that has done as much with the GM 3.6L DI engines than we have.....but more are offering mods all the time so its getting more common.

Dan Paling in Detroit was the first AWD 3.6 DI and you can find his build and post on here...also BJ Wall in Atlanta.....and there are plenty of pictures here and videos the owners have all over youtube. I am an old fart that does not know how to post videos, only still pictures from photobucket.

:thumbsup:

Still waiting to see ANY video and dyno sheets for one of your installs on a CTS, please post them up! There is nothing on YouTube about a Supercharged (or turbo actually) CTS 3.6 except for the single one D3 did for one of its employees. Where Are ANY Of The 22 Cars?!? Thanks.

To the owners of those cars, Post Up! Show us the results, thanks!

CTS_
12-19-13, 01:58 PM
This would be nice to see. is there any updates on whether or not the supercharger for the cts will be made?

0208656
01-09-14, 04:53 AM
Is the supercharge kit still available for the CTS 2011 3.6l v6?

Swollengoat
01-17-14, 11:11 PM
I am interested in this supercharger for my 2011 CTS Premium 3.6L. Is this available?

Thanks

Rev_on_me
02-04-14, 07:32 PM
Bump, I'm also an owner of a 2008 Non DI.

I'd purchase that kit tomorrow if it was made available.

Thanks

David (Rev_on_me@Hotmail.com)

SC2150
05-08-14, 05:12 PM
Have been doing them all along, but as far as video we have to get an owner to do video and post...(I have no idea how to take or post video).

And, to date we have not done any non DI engines, but we could.

For tuning we now use HP Tuners for the Bosch ECU so tons better than the old trifecta solutions.

Shovelheadmike
05-10-14, 01:07 AM
Ok, I have a 2011 CTS AWD 3.6L. What can you do for me? I would expect to bring it to you. How long to do? Approx price? Would be nice to be in the mid 12s for the 1/4.

jamiejam1
05-21-14, 12:28 PM
I have a 2014 Performance coupe RWD... Will the Supercharger or Turbo adapt to this motor? Are there any other modifications that "must" be done Head work, head gasket, rings pistons, lifters rods or anything in order for this to work? Additionally, is there any issues with the transmission being able to accommodate and handle the massive increase in power and torque Please PM me as it may be easiest.. I am building my CTS into a show car and have commitments for PAS Mag as soon as I have it constructed and completed..

Thanks! :)

JJ...


It can be, but will take ome work. Or we can turbo it.

:thumbsup:

www.RevXtreme.com