: thnk there will be any changes for 2013 model??? might trade 09 in for a Vagon



dvandentop
12-18-11, 11:18 PM
contemplating trading in for a Vagon but might hold off it any significant changes for 2013 possibly that anyone knows about??


I am guessing maybe only a bump in power but that would be about it for changes.


Anyone traded in an 09 with 20k miles and 6sp manual lately?

and does anyone have a silver 6m wagon for sale in their area? searched auto trader already.

M5eater
12-19-11, 10:22 AM
The LSA in the ZL1 got a bump due to a combination of things including some that were because of the room in the bay of the camaro and probally a little because of the exhaust. I would not expect a noticeable power bump for the LSA in the CTS-V, part of that is because they're using the ZL1 name, and it would be a little bit of a no-no to bump the CTS-V to ZL1 Levels just as bar-none the Vette's get all the best goodies GM can offer. Nor would I expect any changes to a 2013 CTS-V, they might make some options standard for the regular CTS as it nears EOL, but the V is already loaded with all options.

essentially what you might be looking at in a 2013 CTS-V over a 2012 is the revised super-charger. The 24HP bump in the ZL1 could be attributed more to the eletric power steering, the better exhaust(stainless manifold, probally a lack of a flat section and active valves for a more straight-through design), the larger intercooler, the better air intake, the revised pulley system.. ect.

GM-4-LIFE
12-20-11, 12:37 PM
2013 model year changes will be announced in April, so if you can wait until then, you can find out for sure. I doubt there will be any changes to the CTS-V's power rating. The V2's last year looks to be the 2013 model year with the new CTS bodystyle arriving in summer of 2013 as a 2014 model year vehicle.

GreaseMonkey
12-20-11, 01:41 PM
Since the CTS and CTS-V have already gone through their mid-cycle enhancements, their probably won't be any significant changes.

carterb
12-21-11, 02:24 PM
How about a 7-speed auto transmission or slightly taller rear-end gear ratio for better highway cruising and mileage ?

GM-4-LIFE
12-21-11, 03:28 PM
How about a 7-speed auto transmission or slightly taller rear-end gear ratio for better highway cruising and mileage ?

Not in the current gen CTS.

JimmyH
12-21-11, 03:52 PM
rumor has GM releasing an 8-speed in the next few years. I highly doubt you are going to see it on a V8 though. 8-speed is a waste on a big torquey V8 anyway. You don't need to shift that much.

GM-4-LIFE
12-21-11, 04:15 PM
rumor has GM releasing an 8-speed in the next few years. I highly doubt you are going to see it on a V8 though. 8-speed is a waste on a big torquey V8 anyway. You don't need to shift that much.

I agree 100%

GM can make do with the 6 speed auto on the next gen V, but just make it shift quicker and be more versatile during all types of driving.

M5eater
12-21-11, 04:59 PM
I agree 100%

GM can make do with the 6 speed auto on the next gen V, but just make it shift quicker and be more versatile during all types of driving.
they could make 6 speeds certinally work, but I expect 7 gears in the next CTS-V. it's the 'hot thing to do' in sports cars these days. 6 gears was tame by 2009 standards, by 2014 or 15 it'll be practicly obsolete.

GM-4-LIFE
12-21-11, 05:17 PM
they could make 6 speeds certinally work, but I expect 7 gears in the next CTS-V. it's the 'hot thing to do' in sports cars these days. 6 gears was tame by 2009 standards, by 2014 or 15 it'll be practicly obsolete.

Dodge still puts a 5 speed auto in the V8 Charger. What a joke!

M5eater
12-21-11, 05:22 PM
Dodge still puts a 5 speed auto in the V8 Charger. What a joke!
it *is* a joke. that transmission is essentially the reason I'm not in a SRT-8 right now. It's not just the gearing, it's slow, unresponsive and can't hold any kind of power like the 6L90E. Why they didn't just throw a manual in there like the SRT-10s I'll never know..

GM-4-LIFE
12-21-11, 05:46 PM
I never liked any Chrysler products because they have always been behind in technology, powertrain and their interiors have always been terrible!

JimmyH
12-21-11, 09:17 PM
A guy who works for one of my vendors has a sweet SRT8 Challenger, manual. Using spacers they custom machined, he has steel wheels covering the brembos, mostly debadged, except for the SRT on the grill, which he blacked out to match the grill. Total sleeper. At a glance it looks like a V6 challenger.

M5eater
12-21-11, 09:32 PM
I never liked any Chrysler products because they have always been behind in technology, powertrain and their interiors have always been terrible!
They've changed a LOT with the revised 300 and charger. 8speed autos, adaptive cruise control and NICE interiors, besides of course the fact that they're genuinely beautiful now.

Easy33
01-12-12, 06:27 PM
Wondering if there will be any changes to the infotainment unit in the V for 2013.

Will they update it to the CUE system that other Cadillacs are using?

GM-4-LIFE
01-12-12, 06:56 PM
Wondering if there will be any changes to the infotainment unit in the V for 2013.

Will they update it to the CUE system that other Cadillacs are using?

CUE system will debut on third gen CTS which is going to be 2014 or 2015 model year.

Easy33
01-12-12, 07:13 PM
Cool, thanks

Jpjr
01-12-12, 10:40 PM
I would expect 600hp in the 2013 V2. I think that is a no brainer. Four years into the model with no hp changes? NOT gonna happen... sorry to any of us current owners in denial. The V2 should undoubtably have more power than the ZL1. You guys have to remember how EASY it is to make power with a blower. I have a 4.6L Mustang sitting in my garage right now making 700hp (600rwhp) on pump gas. Sans a forged crank you can still do a lot with a 6.3L. All you need to do is turn that dial called "Boost".

Ste_V_e
01-12-12, 10:44 PM
I would expect 600hp in the 2013 V2. I think that is a no brainer. Four years into the model with no hp changes? NOT gonna happen... sorry to any of us current owners in denial. The V2 should undoubtably have more power than the ZL1. You guys have to remember how EASY it is to make power with a blower. I have a 4.6L Mustang sitting in my garage right now making 700hp (600rwhp) on pump gas. Sans a forged crank you can still do a lot with a 6.3L. All you need to do is turn that dial called "Boost".


Where exactly can i find this "dial called Boost"

GM-4-LIFE
01-13-12, 12:14 AM
We won't see any power bump for 2013. Sorry.

thebigjimsho
01-13-12, 12:17 AM
I would expect 600hp in the 2013 V2. I think that is a no brainer. Four years into the model with no hp changes? NOT gonna happen... sorry to any of us current owners in denial. The V2 should undoubtably have more power than the ZL1. You guys have to remember how EASY it is to make power with a blower. I have a 4.6L Mustang sitting in my garage right now making 700hp (600rwhp) on pump gas. Sans a forged crank you can still do a lot with a 6.3L. All you need to do is turn that dial called "Boost".

No extra power. Just like the V1...

JimmyH
01-13-12, 07:50 PM
I have lots of extra power.

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Oh, you're talking about cars. Nevermind.

Jpjr
01-13-12, 08:01 PM
No extra power. Just like the V1...

Like I said, 600 HP is a no brainer. The V1 (N/A drop in motor on granny CTS platform) is not a relevant comparison to today IMO.

DPL
01-14-12, 02:04 PM
The only dodge that would make my garage...

85097

M5eater
01-14-12, 02:08 PM
Like I said, 600 HP is a no brainer. The V1 (N/A drop in motor on granny CTS platform) is not a relevant comparison to today IMO.

past super sedans have never powertrain changes throughout their manfacture. The TT C5 RS6 didn't get a bump, nor did the C6 RS6 . I don't expect one for the V2. there's only a 4hp difference between it an the F10, that's not exactly a stomping. The V1 was the first time it's ever happened to a sedan in this segment acutally, and even then it was to reduce costs and streamline manufacutring, there wasen't acutally a 'bump' , and that was when the E60 had the V1 by the balls to the tune of 100HP.

thebigjimsho
01-15-12, 12:01 AM
Like I said, 600 HP is a no brainer. The V1 (N/A drop in motor on granny CTS platform) is not a relevant comparison to today IMO.Not happening...