: Scammer warning! Avoid John Demere.



Fasciaguy
10-25-11, 12:02 PM
So for anyone selling a vehicle on this forum be aware if your contacted by someone by the name John Demere.
This is a pretty typical scam but to avoid wasting your time dont even bother responding. Curiosity got the better of me so I played along to see where it was going.

This douchbag will email you ask only if the car is still for sale and then second email was consider it sold I will send you a deposit. Which threw up red flags for me since it was site unseen and never asked any questions about the car. The email is followed up with send me your name so I can transfer money and then the real kicker. I will send you $5500 and you pay my broker who will come pick the car up. I reponded with FO and he kindly responded with area locations where i could pick up a Western Union payment. Not sure where he is actually located but he did provide a agent of Suzette Csizmar from Edison NJ. Which is suppose to receive the agent fee.

So not exactly sure how the scam works as I've never delt with Western Union and have no plans to pursue this any further. Its fishy enough to know its a scam. I mean seriously he was going to pay $2700 for someone to look at a used $18k car.
Just hate to see anyone else waste their time or even worse fall victim to this douchbag.

DDS rollin a CTS
10-25-11, 12:08 PM
I got a similar email from this same guy. I told him to FO and die a slow and painfull death. I also went ahead and sent a message to Sal and he said he was going to put up a warning in the classifieds, but I've yet to see it so far. If you havent already, go ahead and let Sal know so maybe we can get this guy banned.

wcryan
10-25-11, 12:09 PM
Thanks for the heads up

mstrjon32
10-25-11, 12:40 PM
You guys should try selling a car on Craigslist. The amount of scam e-mails you'll get is incredible.

Houdini
10-25-11, 01:35 PM
:yeah:

JimmyH
10-25-11, 02:34 PM
That's an old scam. They get your car and your cash. I have even seen legitimate looking certified bank checks that turn out to be fraudulent. That's why it's easier to just trade in your car these days.

odthetruth
10-25-11, 03:44 PM
That's an old scam. They get your car and your cash. I have even seen legitimate looking certified bank checks that turn out to be fraudulent. That's why it's easier to just trade in your car these days.

Or sell it old school... good old cash.

rednumbers
10-25-11, 04:00 PM
this guy is actually trying to scam everybody that is selling anything on the forums. Got contacted by him also

JimmyH
10-25-11, 04:05 PM
I have notified the site owner.

Lord Cadillac
10-25-11, 04:09 PM
I'm banning the user account right now - but what difference does it make? This will happen again with other people who sign up just to do the same thing. Just be smart and never part with anything without cash in hand...

Stepside
10-25-11, 06:05 PM
That's an old scam. They get your car and your cash. I have even seen legitimate looking certified bank checks that turn out to be fraudulent. That's why it's easier to just trade in your car these days.

EXACTLY!!
Never sign over your 'Certificate of Title' until verification of full amount of funds post.
And that takes a few days to a week . . unless it's wire tranfer . . and that can take a day.

Fasciaguy
10-25-11, 07:26 PM
So here is the latest update. I got home today and this dude sent me a $6000 check fed-Ex.
Its a business check from Northern Safety Company in Utica NY. I looked them up and called and they appear to be a legit company.
It was after hours so no one was able to answer anything about the check. So I will call tomorrow during 8-5
The fed ex package was sent from Washington University One Brooklyn drive St Louis Mo. No real name.
So I'm going to call Northern Safety and at least let them know some POS is out writing checks that belong to them.
Seems if he is doing this a lot it would be as easy for the cops to arrange an arrest.

rand49er
10-25-11, 09:06 PM
I've used craigslist quite a bit. You just have to have a nose for fishy stuff then ignore it and move on.

We need more jails.

DDS rollin a CTS
10-25-11, 10:30 PM
No we need to make scamming punishable by death, sentance carried out on the spot by any victim or attempted victim.

JimmyH
10-26-11, 01:27 PM
So here is the latest update. I got home today and this dude sent me a $6000 check fed-Ex.
Its a business check from Northern Safety Company in Utica NY. I looked them up and called and they appear to be a legit company.
It was after hours so no one was able to answer anything about the check. So I will call tomorrow during 8-5
The fed ex package was sent from Washington University One Brooklyn drive St Louis Mo. No real name.
So I'm going to call Northern Safety and at least let them know some POS is out writing checks that belong to them.
Seems if he is doing this a lot it would be as easy for the cops to arrange an arrest.


I am betting the check bounces.

odthetruth
10-26-11, 01:45 PM
I am betting the check bounces.

Yup, and the check won't bounce until 30 days after its been cashed... Thats normally how these things work. No thanks chief. I'd mention it to the authorities... someones sending you 6k checks for a car you didn't even agree to sell. Obvious scammer.

JimmyH
10-26-11, 01:48 PM
unfortunately, there is nothing the authorities can do. It's not necessarily illegal to write a check with insufficient funds. And selling someone a car and not getting paid in full is a grey area. They won't be able to arrest the guy. All you can do is take him to court. And pay legal fees, so you are going to be out some money anyway you look at it.

I am telling you, just trade the car in, or cut your losses and sell it to a dealer. They are going to scam you too, but at least you know the full ramifications of that scam up front :D

whisler151
10-26-11, 02:49 PM
I had good luck on Craigslist when I sold my car. In the month that it was listed I only had two scammers try to rip me off.

I wonder how often they actually get people?

JimmyH
10-26-11, 03:28 PM
I have had good luck in the past with craigslist too. But the scammers are becoming more and more prolific, and getting better at appearing legit.

Ny's Caddy
10-28-11, 06:00 PM
Listen to this fkn Jack ass. theres more attachments to this

How are you doing over there?I was just mailed by my secretary now
that, the check as been issued to you and the check she sent to you
was carried amount of $4,500.... so to cover the shipment of the
item...pls,as the check reaches you,have it cashed and remove your
money for the item and send the rest fund to my shipper via western
union money transfer or money gram....i will require your honest and
trust regards to this transaction. there is no problem, the payment
has be sent to you and you will get it soonest and i will also provide
the tracking number from the courier service... I want you to remove
the the items from the C.L for me to assure that you are selling this
to nobody else.
My shipper is also picking some of my other items up for me in the
same city of yours so that is why she said she issued the payment
together with yours.I will like you to remove $80 for your running
around in getting the check cashed...Please let me know if i can trust
you with this transaction.... and also get back to me immediately you
received the payment so that i can mail my shipper to come for the
pick up.Please kindly follow the instruction in order to have best
transaction... i will look forward to hear from you soon so that i can
get the shipping company updated ok,Do have a nice day ahead ...

JimmyH
10-28-11, 06:15 PM
Well, that seems reasonable :rolleyes:

odthetruth
10-28-11, 07:36 PM
So let me get this straight... I SHOULDN'T be taking advanced checks from the sibling of a deceased king of Nigera?

JimmyH
10-28-11, 08:14 PM
no, he's legit

thebigjimsho
10-28-11, 10:07 PM
I've used craigslist quite a bit. You just have to have a nose for fishy stuff then ignore it and move on.

We need more jails.Craigslist is awesome just for the scope it covers. I sold my '07 Town Car using Craigslist. I also tried autotrader.com and got almost no response. The buyer was in NJ and I saw him after a job to NYC. Paid $10,500 in cash and was on my way...

lollygagger8
10-31-11, 12:32 PM
But who can come up with $18k worth of cash nowadays? (not counting crack dealerz of course)

Fasciaguy
10-31-11, 12:49 PM
So I contacted Northern Safety and they indeed are a legit co. No association with John Demere though. He somehow got his hands on some of their checks so it probably would have cleared initially. They already were aware as a few checks have already cleared. Theyre accounting dept told me he is getting more brave with the amount though. First few were just for a few hundered and then one or two thousand. Anyway sent them everything I had hopefully they can catch the douchbag.
Yea I have had pretty good luck with Craigslist in the past and I see they have made some changes for listing items but who contacts you is still a mystery. Wish they could find a way to allow you to block anyone from outside the US on certain items like this. I would never sell a large $$ item to someone outside the US. Not that there arnt scammer in the US but Asia Eroupe and Africa seem to be busy with scams and wasting our time.

JimmyH
10-31-11, 02:55 PM
But who can come up with $18k worth of cash nowadays? (not counting crack dealerz of course)

scammers have plenty of it laying around. It's a tool of their trade.

condor
11-11-11, 06:41 AM
This guy contacted me today about my '79 Coupe for sale. He asked the price and for pics (which are both in the ad). It seemed suspicious so I did a google search on "John Demere" and saw this thread - good thing I checked.

roym01
11-11-11, 09:59 AM
.... and I also was contacted today by Mr. Demere regarding my ad for my '99 STS. I smelt something fishy so I responded by saying "Show up with the cash and it's yours".

azmark
11-12-11, 04:37 PM
Apparently this dirtbag John Demere is still at it as I received an email from him offering to send a check for my car plus a shipping amount which I was to send on to the "shipper"...I assume with my check. He gave the phone number 585-362-4115 which I checked online and other people are complaining about it.

I can't believe he at least has not changed his name! May he rot in hell...

2007ThunderV
11-13-11, 09:57 AM
most of thoses craigslist scams, ebay scams, and kijiji scams like that are computer generated, i have had many sent to me, all with different names, all with the exact same text.

d-fens
11-14-11, 10:20 AM
Received an email from John regarding my 89 Deville - same name, even the same phone number as mentioned before. Stupid idiot!
I wonder if I should ask for the cheque - just to send it to the company he stole them from..

Cadillac6sp
11-16-11, 12:02 AM
Do you think it is John Deer, yet adding a few letters ;)

Xonenine
11-16-11, 07:21 PM
I also received a message from this guy this past weekend (11-12-11) asking about a '64 Coupe I had listed. The email didn't read right...it was the punctuation and wording. Anyway...I told him I sold the car, but had a '67 DeVille convertible I may part with...just in case it was legit. He responded about 1:45 AM and the email still didn't seem right. He wanted my lowest price and then discuss payment. !?! Glad I looked up his name and found this thread...no more communications with this guy. :want: I deleted the ad last night and his email!

thebigjimsho
11-26-11, 03:59 PM
It's not "a guy"...

Fasciaguy
12-01-11, 02:00 PM
So figured I would update this thread with the latest information. So John sent me a check and it was from a company and I contected them and they were aware of some either missing or duplicated/created checks that were coming in.

So the scam is: He sends you a check you cash it. It likely would have cleared. I was suppose to then send a check to some person to come look at the car. They never show but cash your check which will clear and by time the company that is really the victim in all this realizes a bogus check was cashed in your name the check you sent out has already cleared too. So you have to return the full amount of money and stuck going after John Demere yourself for the portion your out. good luck with that.

So I emailed the check the Fed-Ex reciept and everything I could gather back to the company that owns the checks as they had already started dealing with the feds on this case. Hope they catch him. Whatever his name is.

hcvone
12-08-11, 07:19 AM
He is still at it, I got this last night, pretty funny:

John Demere:

Hi,

Thanks for the getting back to me. i want you to know that i will be
paying with a check.I will be adding the funds that will cover the
pick up.The check will be a check for $2000.00, So when you receive it
you will deduct your money which is $350.00.

Therefore, when you received the Check you will take it to your bank
and cash it,it will be cashed instantly you will deduct your money and
assist in sending the balance to my Agent that will be coming for the
pick up.I want you to email me the following information below:

1. The full name on the Check
2. Mailing Address to send the Check
3. Contact phone number

So that the Check can be written out in your name and mail to your address...

PS:I will want you to kindly put SOLD on the advert from the placing
site..ok, or any interested buyer that mail you,just let them know
that it has been sold...ok,so for doing that i will be willing to
compensate you,so your total deduction will be $400.00..Hope this is
clear to you..you can call me on this number...585-362-4115...

Get back to me asap

Regards..

Cataract
12-08-11, 10:31 AM
I got one last night too from him.. I really want to get rid of these rotors though! haha