: Top under padded top model like the non-padded model? Can this be removed (see pic)



Tennesseestorm
08-30-11, 03:24 AM
Hi guys, I found a 93 Fleetwood Brougham that has a different top that some of the Fleetwood Broughams I have found... this one has padding on the door tops as well and around the back 1/2 window. I hate this. I am wondering if I bought the car, could this be removed? I would want to remove the entire padded top and wondering if underneath, does it look like the non-padded models as far as the back window design, etc? Thanks!

albymangled
08-30-11, 08:10 AM
Padded tops (but only in good condition) ROCK....

but if it is less than attractive....

drag it kicking and screaming to the bin....

IMHO

csbuckn
08-30-11, 10:04 AM
It would need to be painted after you take it off and the back window would need some different trim but you can just rip it off, sand it down, get the window trim and repaint.

Stingroo
08-30-11, 10:17 AM
The rear windows are of a different design. On a non-vinyl roof car, the rear window itself is actually LARGER.

cadillac kevin
08-30-11, 10:29 AM
but its an aftermarket roof so it should have the normal back window (unless of course that top was put on in place of the factory vinyl top)

turbojimmy
08-30-11, 10:38 AM
RPO CB3 is for the vinyl top and would mean you have the vinyl-top-specific window. I would guess that the car originally had a vinyl top and it was replaced/modified with what you have now.

thefleetwoodguy
08-30-11, 10:58 AM
if thats the car in your picture
its a 95 or 96, not a 93
that roof is a fiberglass shell

turbojimmy
08-30-11, 11:07 AM
if thats the car in your picture
its a 95 or 96, not a 93
that roof is a fiberglass shell

Good eye.

My '01 DTS had an aftermarket fiberglass shell top. I think they're more of a PITA to remove than a "real" vinyltop. There are screw holes everywhere where the shell is attached. The good news on that car, though, is that it may not be a factory vinyl top car.

Stingroo
08-30-11, 11:16 AM
Yeah, that's a 95/6 because of door mirrors.

Honestly, it looks like it needs paint too. I would pass....

OffThaHorseCEO
08-30-11, 12:53 PM
did anyone else notice tenesseestorm has 2 billion posts?

brougham_geezer
08-30-11, 12:58 PM
Yeah, what's going on there?!?!

outsider
08-30-11, 01:38 PM
haha that's nuts...i did not notice that :D

turbojimmy
08-30-11, 01:48 PM
I didn't notice that either. Busy guy.

Cadillacboy
08-30-11, 05:28 PM
LOL, I like your sense of humor guys :D
Anyway, back to the topic I believe they're also called Vogue tops but not my cup of tea at all

drmenard
08-30-11, 11:13 PM
I just took off one of these tops off my 94... They are awful under it... There are maybe a dozen holes drilled in the top, holes drilled in all the doors and the trunk lid... Mine was sure a mess...And blobs of glue here and there... Tough to get off...

Stingroo
08-30-11, 11:21 PM
I've only seen the top scraped off once. It's definitely a lot more work than it's worth.

Especially if you're in the North. There's GOING to be rust under it.

Tennesseestorm
08-31-11, 02:54 AM
Thanks for all of the replies everyone! I read each of them. Funny about it saying I had two billion posts, I didnt even notice that, but its back showing I have only posted once now, which is strange, because I should have more than that. lol. Anyway, yeah, this is a car that I found on Craigslist (I wasnt sure of the year, he had it listed as a 1993 - the only way I can tell the difference is the steering wheel and engine is different on the 93, but other than that I am clueless in the year changes), but its not all that local, but at the time more in the price range I was looking for, but due to it maybe having those holes in the top, I will pass on it. I know that the Lincoln Town Cars of this era that had the padded tops also had the holes. I found one that I was going to buy last year and it was aweful, so I ended up buying a non-padded top '95 Town Car, which I still have. I love it, but I have "the fever" for a 93-96 Fleetwood now. I actually prefer a metal top model, but they are a little harder to come across... in fact, these cars are hard to come across here in northeast Tennessee in any fashion. I know of about 4 here in town (or 55,000 people), but never see one for sale. I found a nice fairly local '94 model for $3600, but until my dads "retirement" comes in I didnt want to go that much for one right now. He said he would buy me a new truck and one of these Cadillacs when he got his money, but I kinda wanted to get the Fleetwood on my own. I have a nice 1995 Lincoln Town Car Signature that I have been trying to trade in on a nice 93-96 Fleetwood and have even offered to throw in up to $1000 in cash if someone could kinda meet me here local, but its been a flop. One guy in DC almost made the deal and now trying to work a deal on a non-vinyl top black 94 out of Roanoke, but it has about 35K more miles than my car, and his has dash cracks, etc and I am even offering in $1000 in cash, but not thinking he wants to make the 2 hour drive to swap. We will see. I am taking a new job which will be 60 miles on the interstate (round trip) and I need a good highway car. If not traded soon, I am going to fix up this Town Car a little and just keep it. Its a nice car, but the steering has a worn bushing (steering is a little quirky) and my CEL is on, but thats a minor issue that dont effect the running, but I want the steering fixed since I will be running 70-75 mph on the freeway. I am currently using one of my moms cars as a work car, but here in town. Its a S-Class Mercedes, but it has the 6-cylinder and these are really not geared for the highway and use more gas on the highway than in town. My Town Car gets about 28 on the highway, so it or a big Caddy would be a good choice.

If ANYONE knows of someone with a 93-96 Fleetwood or Fleetwood Brougham thats in good running shape that may have a desire for a nice and 100% rust free 1995 Town Car PLUS $1000. cash, let me or them know, especially if here in the southeast (southern Appalachain) region. I dont care what it looks like or the mileage (but not wanting anything rusty). I cant travel too far, have special needs child and ill grandparents, hard to get away for long distances. I just love old big cars like this - I have a 1972 Caprice wagon I am trying to restore and I have my grandmothers old 1973 Pontiac Grand Ville... still runs fine, but needing some restoration. My first car when I was 16 (in 1992) was a darl blue 1972 Cadillac Sedan DeVille... most kids my age wanted Mustangs or Celicas back then, but what did I want.... ? A 70s Cadillac. :) I did go through that stage where I wanted a Camaro when I was around 21 and I got one, a 1991 model, then went back to smaller imports/trucks in the late 90s, then I was right back to big American cars by the early 2000s, but had an import in there every so often, but love the big American cars and have always wanted a 93-96 Fleetwood. I know that the 94s had the better higher HP engine, but I would even love a 93. Anyone got one out there priced super reasonable or wanting to trade for my Lincoln and some cash, let me know! Thanks again for all of the replies and information on that top!


if thats the car in your picture
its a 95 or 96, not a 93
that roof is a fiberglass shell

Thanks... he had it listed as a 93... dont know why. lol.


Yeah, that's a 95/6 because of door mirrors.

Honestly, it looks like it needs paint too. I would pass....

Thanks... yeah, gonna pass.


did anyone else notice tenesseestorm has 2 billion posts?

LOL, I missed that. Its showing only one now. lol.


I didn't notice that either. Busy guy.

lol.


LOL, I like your sense of humor guys :D
Anyway, back to the topic I believe they're also called Vogue tops but not my cup of tea at all

Not mine either... I hate these tops on these, but thats my opinion. Sorry if someone out there likes them, but I am like you, not my cup of tea. I hate the carriage tops on the Town Cars too.


I just took off one of these tops off my 94... They are awful under it... There are maybe a dozen holes drilled in the top, holes drilled in all the doors and the trunk lid... Mine was sure a mess...And blobs of glue here and there... Tough to get off...

Sounds like a mess! Thanks!


I've only seen the top scraped off once. It's definitely a lot more work than it's worth.

Especially if you're in the North. There's GOING to be rust under it.

I think this car is in east Virginia, so it should be rust free if it was not right on the coast. Hoping to find one local, I live in NE Tennessee and rust is not an issue thank goodness... especially on these. I have never seen rust on a Fleetwood.... at least not around here.

Thanks again!

MoistCabbage
08-31-11, 03:06 AM
I think that is the longest single post I've ever read. Fleetwoods, Town Cars, and '70's Cadillacs.....you have good taste in land yachts. I approve! :highfive:

Whatever you do, buy the nicest one you can afford. It's a WHOLE LOT CHEAPER to maintain a car that is in good condition, than it is to repair one that was abused.

turbojimmy
08-31-11, 08:27 AM
You're going to want to be looking for a '94-96 Fleetwood if you can. Nothing against the '93's TBI 350, but the '94-96 TPI LT1 is a really nice running engine that they put in lots of vehicles up through '97.

cadillac kevin
08-31-11, 10:00 AM
best of luck on your quest for a semi nice fwb.

grand ville FTW, btw.

brougham
08-31-11, 08:12 PM
The rear windows are of a different design. On a non-vinyl roof car, the rear window itself is actually LARGER.

Has anyone ever pulled the vinyl roof off before to actually see that? Usually the vinyl roof is just made to fit over the original window and the rest of the parts are identical.

MoistCabbage
08-31-11, 08:25 PM
Has anyone ever pulled the vinyl roof off before to actually see that? Usually the vinyl roof is just made to fit over the original window and the rest of the parts are identical.

Im almost certain that on older (pre '85) Devilles, the windows were the same. The differences being the windows on vinyl top cars had a blacked out perimeter, and the rear defroster "grid" was resized for the opening in the vinyl top. I've never seen a 92-96 Fleetwood with the top removed.

Stingroo
08-31-11, 09:38 PM
93-96.

I haven't done it, but I've seen photos.

brougham
08-31-11, 10:44 PM
There are a few photos on the forum. Glass looks the same but vinyl roof cars don't have the rubber molding around it.