: Upgrade from 2010 to 2012 differences



dselmeyer
08-26-11, 07:22 PM
We have a 2010 Performance edition, but with the suspension and gas tank issues, we are contemplating going to a 2012.

Where can I find the 2012 specs?

Thanks!

b4z
08-27-11, 08:51 PM
I don't have the link but you can google "GM order guide" and everything GM wants you to know about the SRX will come up.

RippyPartsDept
08-27-11, 09:37 PM
the engine is the big difference... 3.6L offered instead of teh 2.8L Turbo... 3.0L still offered

there may be other changes as well (paint and package bundles) ...

post the question here (http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-customer-care-representatives/) and you might get a similar response as this thread (http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-escalade-ext-esv-forum-2007/232648-2012-escalade.html)

or you could contact one of the mods (http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/showgroups.php) and ask them to move this thread over there for you

b4z
08-28-11, 10:41 AM
the engine is the big difference... 3.6L offered instead of teh 2.8L Turbo... 3.0L still offered

there may be other changes as well (paint and package bundles) ...

post the question here (http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-customer-care-representatives/) and you might get a similar response as this thread (http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-escalade-ext-esv-forum-2007/232648-2012-escalade.html)

or you could contact one of the mods (http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/showgroups.php) and ask them to move this thread over there for you

3.0L is gone completely for 2012.

RippyPartsDept
08-28-11, 01:30 PM
you learn something new everyday

b4z
08-28-11, 06:11 PM
But they did of course increase the price of the car.

dselmeyer
08-28-11, 09:16 PM
Whats the odds they fixed the front suspension and the gas tank sloshing around from the 2010 year........

Marc NY
08-28-11, 10:41 PM
But they did of course increase the price of the car.Besides inflation there would be slightly higher costs do to the newer redesigned 3.6. that alone would justify a slightly higher price over the old 3.0 version. Plus you must add to that the newer features and refinements such as the double insulated glass, heated steering wheel, added insulation and the new door looks added to the door panels etc etc. Mind you some of this is minor but certainly would justify some additional costs.

smiley47
08-29-11, 10:54 AM
But they did of course increase the price of the car.

Can someone quantify the 2012 vs 2011 price increase on an apples to apples comparison? As an example the base MSRP for a 2011 SRX Premium AWD was $49,730. Unfortunately the Cadillac.com website doesn't even show the 2012 SRX (duh) to compare the price of the 2012 Premium AWD. If anyone has that price we'll know the year over year price increase for inflation, the new engine, and other standard equipment improvements.

RippyPartsDept
08-29-11, 11:13 AM
The CTS base price increased ... similar situation here probably.

I think some of it has to do with the initial year being priced lower to entice more buyers to jump on the new model.

I don't think you can compare apples to apples like you want... sure you can compare, but it's not apples to apples

Marc NY
08-29-11, 11:23 AM
Can someone quantify the 2012 vs 2011 price increase on an apples to apples comparison? As an example the base MSRP for a 2011 SRX Premium AWD was $49,730. Unfortunately the Cadillac.com website doesn't even show the 2012 SRX (duh) to compare the price of the 2012 Premium AWD. If anyone has that price we'll know the year over year price increase for inflation, the new engine, and other standard equipment improvements.We all know they have the pricing out much earlier than now but still there is nothing on their websites.

IMO: I believe GM holds off on publicly posting prices on their websites for their new MY (Model Year) vehicles until they have more of their previous 2011 MY vehicles off the dealers lots. This happens every year at this time with the start of every new MY. I believe it is because they want more buyers to consider the previous MY vehicles first.

RippyPartsDept
08-29-11, 11:26 AM
I believe GM holds off on publicly posting prices on their websites for their new MY (Model Year) vehicles until they have more of their previous 2011 MY SRX (vehicles) off the dealers lots.

makes a lot of sense

cz9h3d
08-29-11, 11:30 AM
Can someone quantify the 2012 vs 2011 price increase on an apples to apples comparison? As an example the base MSRP for a 2011 SRX Premium AWD was $49,730. Unfortunately the Cadillac.com website doesn't even show the 2012 SRX (duh) to compare the price of the 2012 Premium AWD. If anyone has that price we'll know the year over year price increase for inflation, the new engine, and other standard equipment improvements.

The 2012 SRX Premium Collection AWD is $49,660 with destination. Technically, compared to the end of the 2011my pricing for Performance & Premium AWD, they went down slightly in price.

The chrome tech wheels increased from $450 to $495.

smiley47
08-29-11, 01:05 PM
The 2012 SRX Premium Collection AWD is $49,660 with destination. Technically, compared to the end of the 2011my pricing for Performance & Premium AWD, they went down slightly in price.

The chrome tech wheels increased from $450 to $495.

Given these numbers, the 2012 Premium AWD is actually $70 less than the same model 2011. A pretty nice value proposition given the 2012 has a much better engine and several other nice improvements.

To take the comparison one step further and if you'll assume that the 3.6 DI engine is very close power wise to the 2.8 Turbo, my 2010 Turbo Premium AWD had a MSRP of $52185 including destination ($825 in 2010). Then the value improvement for the 2012 is significantly greater at $2525 less than my 2010 turbo for pretty much the same power and quite a few features added in 2011 and 2012 over the 2010. Also if you quantify the savings of regular vs premium fuel, you save another $150 per year for 15,000 miles @20mpg, @ 20 cents per gallon savings.

I think I just talked myself into a 2012...

RippyPartsDept
08-29-11, 01:31 PM
There's less torque on the 3.6L vs the 2.8L turbo ... but the HP is about the same

Maxdmax
08-29-11, 02:49 PM
There's less torque on the 3.6L vs the 2.8L turbo ... but the HP is about the same

I drove both the turbo 2.8 and the 3.6 back to back, the important thing is where the torque is applied in the RPM range. The 3.6 is low in the RPM range so it feel a lot stronger. Go drive a 3.6 you will see how much better this engine works in the heavy car then the fast spinning 2.8, you will be very suprised at the low level of effort the 3.6 takes to do the same job.

RippyPartsDept
08-29-11, 03:32 PM
good point... max torque may not mean anything if you never really push the car to those extremes

b4z
08-29-11, 07:38 PM
Not to sound like a broken record but the '12 SRX feels about as fast as my '09 SRX V8 and that car had 50 lb ft. more tq. than the '12.
GM did a REALLY good job with the new motor. It is noticeably stronger, quicker revving and smoother than the previous 3.6Ls.
max tq. comes on over 2000 rpms than the old V6 and I would imagine that the tq is flatter also.

There are starting to be a few Camaros with the 3.6L LFX on the streets and they are saying it pulls really well. Of course it is almost 600lbs lighter also.

cz9h3d
08-30-11, 10:16 AM
The 2012 SRX Premium Collection AWD is $49,660 with destination. Technically, compared to the end of the 2011my pricing for Performance & Premium AWD, they went down slightly in price.

The chrome tech wheels increased from $450 to $495.

Note that 2012 Prices changed differently for all trim levels and drive types. The Performance/Premium AWD's are the only ones that technically had a "reduction" from their end of year 2011 pricing. The other's are all a $600-$700 increase.
Autos.MSN.com has the 2012 pricing up.

wag 42
08-30-11, 11:08 AM
I drove both the turbo 2.8 and the 3.6 back to back, the important thing is where the torque is applied in the RPM range. The 3.6 is low in the RPM range so it feel a lot stronger. Go drive a 3.6 you will see how much better this engine works in the heavy car then the fast spinning 2.8, you will be very suprised at the low level of effort the 3.6 takes to do the same job.

The 2.8 hits it's max torque at a lower rpm compared to the 3.6

RippyPartsDept
08-30-11, 11:33 AM
right, but how many people really wind up the car to access the max torque?

i'd like to see the two torque curves on the same graph

wag 42
08-30-11, 11:46 AM
The max torque is very low on the rpm range. The 2.8 is around 1850 rpm, and the 3.6 is around 2400 rpm. Maximum horsepower is high on the rpm range (2.8 max HP @ around 5500, 3.6 max HP @ around 6800).

Ormond
08-31-11, 05:02 PM
I was looking at a 2012 (3.6) today, and I noticed that there was a ECO button on the console to the right of the shifter. Anyone know what it does?

b4z
08-31-11, 08:36 PM
Upshifts sooner.

wag 42
09-01-11, 07:58 AM
It's great for freeway driving, not so good for around town.

Marc NY
09-01-11, 08:21 AM
It's great for freeway driving, not so good for around town.I agree it is suppose to help you out better for extra MPGs when you are in highway driving mode.

However, I have left mine on since I bought it and I have never turned it off yet. With it on the 3.6L still pulls tremendous torque and power ... hmmm I will have to do some spirited driving with it on and off to compare the difference.