: 93-96 Roadmaster, Olds or Caprice wagons with BigBody front clip. Lets see some pics



D-Boy
08-22-11, 01:47 AM
Who has a converted Roadmaster , Olds or Caprice wagon with a bigbody front clip? I've been thinkin bout doin one, all I need is the front clip and some Cad tail lights. POST SOME PICS IF YOU HAVE ONE. I've only seen 2 or 3 of them in pictures, never in person. seems like a cool thing to do. what do you think? does anyone have any advice?:thumbsup:

MoistCabbage
08-22-11, 02:47 AM
I've always thought of doing that. Done correctly, you'd have an awesome wagon IMHO.

Stingroo
08-24-11, 09:30 AM
I've only seen two, and again, only photos not in person.

Would be cool if you pulled it off. This is the more wagon-oriented forum, if you're interested:

gmlongroof.4umer.com

jayoldschool
08-24-11, 12:07 PM
You haven't seen many because it is NOT a bolt on. The Cadillac sheet metal is longer between the wheels and the fenders so you either shorten the clip from the D or lengthen the frame on the B.

CadillacPimpinNOLA
08-24-11, 02:25 PM
ive seen about 4 attempted, the orange one is the closest to someone completing it

http://www.cusstom.com/data/media/8/h2o_melon__715200923412PM9207.jpg

http://www.cusstom.com/data/media/8/bj11.jpg

http://www.streetsourcemag.com/uploads/Ownerprofiles/inspectordragit/7282003100109PM89531.jpg

Stingroo
08-24-11, 02:29 PM
You haven't seen many because it is NOT a bolt on. The Cadillac sheet metal is longer between the wheels and the fenders so you either shorten the clip from the D or lengthen the frame on the B.

That.

It'd be cool, but it's definitely an intense project either way.

Personally, I don't think it looks right. The rest of the 91-96 wagon is too rounded to really pull off the square nose look. It's cool from a worksmanship standpoint, though.

jayoldschool
08-24-11, 03:28 PM
If time and money were no object, I think the best way to do this would be to convert a hearse to a wagon. You get the nice long wheelbase of the Cadillac, and the utility of the wagon. Who has a hearse? I have a sawzall and a wagon parts car! ;)

The-Dullahan
08-24-11, 04:39 PM
Nonsense, I see them all the time! Town Car wagons too!

http://www.hearse.com/vehicles/motorized/cadillac/1993/federal/hearse/v001/images/001.jpg

Dig those crazy lights, yo.

EDIT: Aww, Jay beat me.
Nineties Cadillac hearses are a dime-a-dozen, but for the conversion, you will have to do something about the massive rollcage that raises the roof. Or not, really. Your choice.

The-Dullahan
08-24-11, 04:42 PM
http://www.cusstom.com/data/media/8/h2o_melon__715200923412PM9207.jpg


Sting, grab your wallet! It is Orange, it is a wagon and it is a Cadillac...

CBodyFan
08-24-11, 11:14 PM
I think it was Motor Trend that put a Roadmaster sedan front clip on a Roadmaster wagon body. Really improved the looks of the wagon. They had to put some spacers under the sedan front fenders but other than that it was a bolt on. As for the Fleetwood being longer I thought all the added length was between the B and C pillars.

turbojimmy
08-24-11, 11:28 PM
As for the Fleetwood being longer I thought all the added length was between the B and C pillars.

I thought so too, meaning the front clip from a Caddy would bolt right on. I agree that the square-ish Caddy nose looks out of place on a Caprice wagon, tho.

CBodyFan
08-24-11, 11:49 PM
I think the Fleetwood front end looks like it has more front hangover than the Caprice and that gives it an odd look. Too heavy looking. Although the low rider look probably throws the whole look off as well. A dragging front bumper looks bad. The hearses look ok. And as I noted earlier the boxy Roadmaster sedan front end looked very good on the wagon body.

jayoldschool
08-25-11, 12:18 AM
I have a 94 Fleetwood sitting next to my 94 Caprice wagon. I'll measure the difference tomorrow ;)

Stingroo
08-25-11, 12:29 AM
The Roadmaster sedan clip has been done by a few members of the wagon forum too.

I personally dislike the Roadmaster sedan. All of it. :ack:

Chamus - I actually dislike that car. Not a shade of orange I want. :lol:

Cadillacboy
08-25-11, 04:37 PM
I didn't realize it was that easy to bolt on a Fleetwood front end on a Caprice .I suppose buying a 1993-96 Cadillac Fleetwood is a better choice rather than this kinda job lol

jayoldschool
08-25-11, 06:08 PM
Like I said, you CAN'T just bolt a FW clip on a Caprice (or Roadmaster). Anyways, looked at my FW today and compared it to my SS and my Caprice. The wheelwell to front door distance is at least 2 1/2" greater on the Fleetwood.

CBodyFan
08-25-11, 07:53 PM
Wagon with a Fleetwood front clip.... a Capricilac?

jayoldschool
08-25-11, 09:26 PM
Or, a Roadwood...

MoistCabbage
08-26-11, 01:13 AM
Like I said, you CAN'T just bolt a FW clip on a Caprice (or Roadmaster). Anyways, looked at my FW today and compared it to my SS and my Caprice. The wheelwell to front door distance is at least 2 1/2" greater on the Fleetwood.

Easily visible in the side view pic of the orange car, the front wheel is too far back in the opening.

Stingroo
08-26-11, 02:17 AM
Fleetmaster?

D-Boy
08-27-11, 09:08 PM
You haven't seen many because it is NOT a bolt on. The Cadillac sheet metal is longer between the wheels and the fenders so you either shorten the clip from the D or lengthen the frame on the B. I kinda figured there was something to it besides just a bolt-on thing. it does look like the front bumper does not fit right, and it hangs out a bit. and I do see that the front wheels on the orange RM is back a bit also. harder than I thought to do. maybe I'll just try to find a 94-96 Rm wagon and then keep my 91 for something (who knows what). Thanks for the "hold on a minute" before I jumped. this front clip idea is squashed.

D-Boy
08-27-11, 09:12 PM
Wagon with a Fleetwood front clip.... a Capricilac? how about a "Caprillac" or in my case "Fleetmaster"

Stingroo
08-27-11, 09:34 PM
Well there's still the Roadmaster sedan front clip, but I'm not a fan of it. lol

D-Boy
08-28-11, 06:31 PM
Well there's still the Roadmaster sedan front clip, but I'm not a fan of it. lol Yeah, I've seen those, but again, only in pics. I've often wondered why GM put different front ends on the wagons. I think the RM sedans and the Fleetwood front-end do look similar, but I'd prefer the Fleetwood, and I don't have any plans to do the front-end swap with a RM sedan (not as cool). like I said before, "the front-clip idea is squashed"

Stingroo
08-28-11, 07:09 PM
GM only put a different front end on the Roadmaster wagon. The Caprice and Custom Cruiser can both borrow pieces from the Caprice sedans.

It's really odd, honestly. But hey - always glad to meet another wagon dude. :thumbsup: Even here.

MoistCabbage
08-28-11, 07:10 PM
I've always liked the '70's era Cadillac wagon conversions, http://www.flickr.com/photos/autohistorian/4149783234/ especially the early '70's models with the "clam shell" lift/tailgate. But I think if I were to convert a last gen RWD wagon into anything, it'd be an Impala SS. :cool2:

Stingroo
08-28-11, 08:17 PM
Everybody does that, though. Shave the hood ornament, plop on a grille, buy the side scripts. Meh.

There are a few that are well done with floor shift, door panels, seats, etc. etc. etc. but the concept is played out. :(

jayoldschool
08-28-11, 08:19 PM
The front bumper skin is different on the Custom Cruiser, along with the grille. The hood and fenders interchange between all three wagons. The Roadmaster wagon front end is different than the sedan because there was no sedan when the wagons debuted in late 1990. The sedan didn't join the line up until the following year.

http://www.mpiweb.org/Libraries/Magazine/the_more_you_know.jpg

MoistCabbage
08-28-11, 08:22 PM
I'd definitely do it correctly, (floor shifter, correct seats and door panels) An LS7 and a manual would make it stand out a bit more as well I would imagine. Would it make you feel better if I painted it orange? :yup:

Stingroo
08-28-11, 08:23 PM
Yes. Everything is better in orange.

Speaking of LS7 wagons, there's a guy doing that right now. His fab work is incredible. If I had an ounce of his skill I'd be content.

MoistCabbage
08-28-11, 08:34 PM
Speaking of LS7 wagons, there's a guy doing that right now.

Do go on...

Stingroo
08-28-11, 08:44 PM
Thread here:

http://www.impalassforum.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?t=229065

Mad jelly, I dare say. :(

MoistCabbage
08-28-11, 08:51 PM
Oh my.....:lick: I'd put the spokey hub caps back on and make a sleeper out of it.

Stingroo
08-28-11, 08:52 PM
Needs the wheels for the tires - lol. Good luck finding a 15" tire that's good enough to keep that kind of power planted to the ground without going to drag radials or something....


Would be cool, though.

jayoldschool
08-28-11, 10:22 PM
The 15s won't fit back on his car... he has Porsche brakes on it... :D

MoistCabbage
08-28-11, 10:45 PM
79626

Love these, they come in 16". IF they fit over those dinner plate rotors, they'd be my choice.

CBodyFan
08-29-11, 07:38 PM
79626

Love these, they come in 16". IF they fit over those dinner plate rotors, they'd be my choice.

SHARP! Who makes those?

MoistCabbage
08-29-11, 08:21 PM
http://store.cokertire.com/

They have Center caps for Caddys too.

79650

james843
10-21-11, 09:03 AM
81880

james843
10-21-11, 09:05 AM
81881

i have over a 100 pic of this car and a lot of them are pic of the caddy front clip being put on


http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.177072298972350.41320.100000087443772&type=1

Stingroo
10-21-11, 09:48 AM
Ahh... the owner surfaces!

I'd seen this car on CuSStom like a million times, and all over the Internet. Cool stuff.

james843
03-27-12, 08:20 AM
http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy338/daddyjames843/my%20s10/963852741.jpg
http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy338/daddyjames843/my%20s10/85245.jpg
http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy338/daddyjames843/my%20s10/250.jpg
http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy338/daddyjames843/my%20s10/2562.jpg

76fleetwoodbrougham
07-07-12, 11:35 PM
Heres one I spotted a few days ago on flickr....it looks like a factory prototype but it looks very well done....

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8142/7471888894_26ce253504_n.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7267/7471889080_ef1aafc624_n.jpg

MrHolland
07-07-12, 11:47 PM
This was posted in a thread in the lounge by a couple of the guys that went to the show. Theres a couple more picks of the Estate Wagon.

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/community-lounge-introductions-general-discussion/262492-cadillac-lasalle-club-grand-national-meet.html

The-Dullahan
07-10-12, 02:07 PM
Specifically, these photos. The evening before these were taken, we (Craig and I) saw it cruising through the historic district of Saint Augustine.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff29/The-Dullahan/IMAG0272.jpg?t=1339903896

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff29/The-Dullahan/IMAG0270.jpg?t=1339903887

We were rather glad it popped up at the show. (And was actually staying at our hotel as well, so we got some photos of it later on the first evening.

The dash was also swapped out.