: Veterans Statistics off the Vietnam Memorial Wall



Ranger
08-22-11, 12:53 AM
"Carved on these walls is the story of America , of a continuing quest to preserve both

democracy and decency, and to protect a national treasure that we call the American

dream."

SOMETHING to think about - Most of the surviving Parents are now Deceased

There are 58,267 names now listed on that polished black wall, including those added in

2010.



The names are arranged in the order in which they were taken from us by date and within

each date the names are alphabetized. It is hard to believe it is 36 years since the last

casualties.



Beginning at the apex on panel 1E and going out to the end of the East wall, appearing to

recede into the earth (numbered 70E - May 25, 1968), then resuming at the end of the West

wall, as the wall emerges from the earth (numbered 70W - continuing May 25, 1968) and

ending with a date in 1975. Thus the war's beginning and end meet. The war is

complete, coming full circle, yet broken by the earth that bounds the angle's

open side and contained within the earth itself.



The first known casualty was Richard B. Fitzgibbon, of North Weymouth , Mass. listed by the

U.S. Department of Defense as having been killed on June 8, 1956. His name is listed on the

Wall with that of his son, Marine Corps Lance Cpl. Richard B. Fitzgibbon III, who was killed on Sept. 7, 1965.



There are three sets of fathers and sons on the Wall.

39,996 on the Wall were just 22 or younger.

The largest age group, 8,283 were just 19 years old

33,103 were 18 years old.

12 soldiers on the Wall were 17 years old.

5 soldiers on the Wall were 16 years old.

One soldier, PFC Dan Bullock was 15 years old.

997 soldiers were killed on their first day in Vietnam .

1,448 soldiers were killed on their last day in Vietnam .

31 sets of brothers are on the Wall.

Thirty one sets of parents lost two of their sons.

54 soldiers on attended Thomas Edison High School in Philadelphia.... wonder why so many

from one school.

8 Women are on the Wall. Nursing the wounded.

244 soldiers were awarded the Medal of Honor during the Vietnam War;153 of them are on the Wall.

Beallsville , Ohio with a population of 475 lost 6 of her sons.

West Virginia had the highest casualty rate per capita in the nation. There are 711 West Virginians on the Wall.

The Marines of Morenci - They led some of the scrappiest high school football and basketball

teams that the little Arizona copper town of Morenci (pop. 5,058) had ever known and

cheered. They enjoyed roaring beer busts. In quieter moments, they rode horses along the

Coronado Trail, stalked deer in the Apache National Forest . And in the patriotic

camaraderie typical of Morenci's mining families, the nine graduates of Morenci

High enlisted as a group in the Marine Corps. Their service began on

Independence Day, 1966. Only 3 returned home.



The Buddies of Midvale - LeRoy Tafoya, Jimmy Martinez, Tom Gonzales were all boyhood

friends and lived on three consecutive streets in Midvale, Utah on Fifth, Sixth and

Seventh avenues. They lived only a few yards apart. They played ball at the adjacent

sandlot ball field. And they all went to Vietnam .. In a span of 16 dark days in late 1967,

all three would be killed. LeRoy was killed on Wednesday, Nov. 22, the fourth

anniversary of John F. Kennedy’s assassination. Jimmy died less than 24 hours

later on Thanksgiving Day. Tom was shot dead assaulting the enemy on Dec. 7,

Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day.



The most casualty deaths for a single day was on January 31, 1968 ~ 245 deaths.

The most casualty deaths for a single month was May 1968 - 2,415 casualties were incurred.

For most Americans who read this they will only see the numbers that the Vietnam

War created. To those of us who survived the war, and to the families of those who did

not, we see the faces, we feel the pain that these numbers created. We are, until we too

pass away, haunted with these numbers, because they were our friends, fathers, husbands,

wife's, sons and daughters ======= There are no noble wars, just noble warriors

orconn
08-22-11, 01:27 AM
As you may remember, I am also a Vietnam vet. A visit to the Wall brings back the memories of the pain and sadness that was the "War in Vietnam." Recently a friend of mine, who had not served but was a graduate student during the war, began telling me how much worse the soldiers fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan have it than the soldiers who fought in Vietnam. I was taken aback by his statement, first of all because battle is always the most horrible experience anyone who goes through it can experience, but because the numbers of killed and wounded tell a very different story that he had apparently chosen to forget. I have always felt a special sadness for the veterans of the Korean War, who have had their sacrifices and their families sacrifices fall from the nation's consciousness. Fortunately, they too now have one of the most poignant and striking monuments to their achievements and sacrifices.

I do not believe the Vietnam War was anymore tragic in its' loss of of young American lives than any of the other wars Americans have been called to fight, but the treatment of the veterans of the Vietnam War by many in this country during and following the wars end was truly disgraceful and a shame on our nation.

Whenever I hear someone say, "Thank you for your service" to a young troop today I am glad they are receiving some recognition of the sacrifice that they and their families are making for the rest of our citizens ... but somehow the phrase really doesn't go far enough.

EcSTSatic
08-22-11, 11:11 AM
I was a young Marine in the evacuation of Vietnam. Seems ages ago. It was a different time. Casualties in any war are tragic. If anything, Vietnam taught the folks back home that servicemen and women still need their support regardless of the reasons. I think the funeral protests today sink our society to the lowest low.

Ranger
08-22-11, 12:46 PM
I posted that because I found some of those statistics truly amazing.


Recently a friend of mine, who had not served but was a graduate student during the war, began telling me how much worse the soldiers fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan have it than the soldiers who fought in Vietnam.
I think "had not served" explains that statement. The most KIA's in a single day and month tell that story. I was there that day and that month. I was still somewhat shocked by those numbers. Can you imagine those numbers coming across todays 6:00 news?



Whenever I hear someone say, "Thank you for your service" to a young troop today I am glad they are receiving some recognition of the sacrifice that they and their families are making for the rest of our citizens ... but somehow the phrase really doesn't go far enough.
I believe people in this country show such respect for todays service personnel because they still feel guilty about how they treated us (as they well should). If that was the price we had to pay for todays servicemen and women to be treated honorably, so be it. They deserve it. I feel good when I hear people say that to them (and maybe just a little envious).



I think the funeral protests today sink our society to the lowest low.
Those people should be shot on sight and I would be honored to do it and feel no remorse.

Submariner409
08-22-11, 01:07 PM
Those people should be shot on sight and I would be honored to do it and feel no remorse.

I'll be two feet off your right side with a 100 round clip M-14.

orconn
08-26-11, 04:46 PM
There is no excuse for the picketing of the funerals of service personnel killed in the current conflicts. There is no reason for the families and loved ones of these fallen Americans to have to endure the additional trauma that these petty demonstrations bring upon them. While I understand the thinking of the Supreme Court in their deeming this "Free Speech," I very much disagree with the right of group to inflict this on private citizens who have given their flesh and blood to protect the right of all citizens to those rights.

This being said, I would join those who would forcibly prevent these protests to the point of removing the protesters from any contact with those attending the funeral. Even if one chose to serve and support the foreign policy of United States, they and their families did not choose to die and have that act disrespected in this way.