: 1969 Coupe Deville Convertible



Xdimmysayzx
08-10-11, 04:45 PM
Hi all, new to the site and would appreciate a little advice on buying another Cadillac, but before i do that is this a good deal?

1969 Coupe Deville Vert
55k interior all there
rotted lower fenders
nice frame, trunk, and floors
car hasn't been started in 8 years but garage kept( says needs battery and good gas)?
A little previous patch work on lower rear quarters looks professionally done
obviously paint and TLC lol is $2,000 worth it?

outsider
08-10-11, 04:59 PM
If the engine starts and runs good...I'd say $2,000 is fair.

Lower fenders always rot...will just have to have them patched and painted.

Make sure you test out all electronics/power options.

68 Deville Rag
08-10-11, 05:48 PM
I would agree with Outsider.... As long as the engine starts or is in decent shape, $2K sounds good to me. Good luck!!!

Xdimmysayzx
08-10-11, 06:26 PM
Now how do I go about starting it, I mean I can take a battery and some gas, however do I have to worry about old gas or oil before starting ? I don't want to make anything worse

CADforce69
08-10-11, 07:10 PM
Youīll need a new battery, of course. As for the old gas, it would not be a problem in itself. It will just smell of thinner but it will burn practically the same. Some people unplug the gas hose from carburetor and plugs a new one through which they feed clean fresh gas using a can or a funnel to be sure dirty gas does not clog carburetor. I think filling the tank with fresh gas causes the same results. What may be dangerous is starting the engine with a minimum amount of gas in a dirty tank.

Check there is enough oil in the engine. You may also take out plugs and crank engine for 1-2 minutes to help it lubricating. Then, place plugs again and let the party started. Personally I donīt like pumping once and again accelerator as you are at risk of flooding the engine.

Plugs should be ok but a set of new ones wouldnīt do any harm. These engines donīt use to be specially difficult to start even after years stopped. You can see some videos on YouTube like this, starting a rotten 70 after 10 years of sleep: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGsa75Ph2xs

Highway Star
08-10-11, 07:57 PM
Just so you don't upset the Cadillac gods, the proper name for a convertible is simply, "DeVille". Coupe de Ville only applies to the 2-door hardtop model. If you are fortunate, the rear 1/4 panels will still have the "DeVille" emblem scripts (with upper case "D").

Xdimmysayzx
08-10-11, 09:08 PM
Ahh sorry a Deville lol I guess I'm pretty lucky the emblems are there , thanks for all the help guys , glad I joined.. I'll report back going to look at the car ( for the third time ) Sunday . Just out of curiosity are thereany other common areas on these cars I should look out for ?

77CDV
08-10-11, 09:14 PM
Rust is the biggest bane of these cars. Lower fenders, rocker panels, trunk and floor pan, and frame. Also, be sure to look at the condition of the top well. Basic mechanicals are nearly indestructable. Check to be sure all power options are operational or at least intact, as well as all trim. If you can do some or most of the work yourself, then $2000 is reasonable for a restorable example. Otherwise, look for and buy the best example you can afford as professional restoration ain't cheap and will easily run far more than the completed car will ever be worth.

CADforce69
08-10-11, 09:20 PM
Ahh sorry a Deville lol I guess I'm pretty lucky the emblems are there , thanks for all the help guys , glad I joined.. I'll report back going to look at the car ( for the third time ) Sunday . Just out of curiosity are thereany other common areas on these cars I should look out for ?

... And if possible, post a video of the starting :D

Xdimmysayzx
08-10-11, 09:32 PM
The tops pretty shoddy, but I will check the all the power buttons , and of course I'll post a video of it running... Hopefully :), now if I could just get over the ostrich seats lol

CADforce69
08-10-11, 09:40 PM
This was standard equipment for 1969: http://automotivemileposts.com/cadillac/cadi1969standardequipment.html
And these were the options: http://automotivemileposts.com/cadillac/cadi1969optionalequipment.html

Of course youīll check if the folding top motor works. ;)
Door panels frequently crack due to sun exposure and use. You can find new panels for 2 door units but not very cheap, though you can check the restoring method used by outsider in his 69 Calais official restoration thread.

sheryarsb
08-12-11, 11:11 AM
here is how i started my 68 deville after 10 years of storage.

Rebuilt carb (not really needed but I did it anyway)
Plugs appeared fine so I did not bother changing them,
Engine oil shows decent color and viscosity, just touch it with fingers and make sure it is a bit sticky and not too thin and discolored
Pull each plug out and spray a little bit of WD40 in each hole, put the plugs back
pull the fuel cable out from fuel pump and use a temporary bottle or something as a fuel source (not recommended to use old fuel in 8 year old tank)
Make sure you put a cap or any other method to block the fuel pump's fuel-out valve so it does not spray fuel when the engine is cranking.
Take power cable off the distributor, so the engine does not start and crank the engine for 6-8 seconds only. this will lubricate the engine at very low rpm without starting it
plug the cable back on the distributor and crank the engine.

Good luck.

Xdimmysayzx
08-12-11, 01:18 PM
I will try both suggestions, just hope the guy doesn't mind me trying to play with his car that I haven't bought yet lol.
Will post better pics so you guys can see what i might be working with, also when i looked at the car the first time the gas pedal just kinda didn't do anything(went down. had to pull up), could the throttle be stuck closed/open? Not really looking forward to a throttle cable install
Here are the ad pictures.. they dont really do justice the car is almost perfect inside

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CADforce69
08-12-11, 07:46 PM
Pics are very low resolution but as far as we can see, the car seems to have been kept under cover most time. Itīs amazing how the steering wheel veneer is almost undamaged (probably you can play horn by pressing it). Most of them are shattered by sun. Interior seems to be in a fair condition, just needing a good cleaning. Seems promising.

As for the throttle pedal, you must check if cable is broken or maybe jammed. In that case some grease and playing with lever connected with carburetor should be enough. There is also a possibility that spring holding cable tight is broken, missing or out of place. In any case, itīs a secondary problem as finding another one should not be difficult and it wonīt prevent you from starting the car.

If you are ok with the rest of the car and price, the owner should not mind you try to start it so if it works as itīs supposed to, you are going to take it... And I feel it will start :thumbsup:

Xdimmysayzx
08-12-11, 10:32 PM
Well i just talked to the guy over the phone, he said that he wouldn't want to start it due to crappy gas and oil sitting for 10 years, but assures me the car will/did run beautifully with good gas and an oil change and reminded me of the low miles, I am little iffy now but I'm going to look at it again tomorrow with a battery, jack, magnet, and a buddy/mechanic...
and of course a decent camera ;)

CADforce69
08-13-11, 02:33 PM
As for the gas, it would be no problem as you could feed the carb directly with fresh fuel. I donīt think the engine should be damaged for the old oil, as you will have it running just for 2 minutes to see if it goes ok but you may always change oil. It takes 5 quarts. with oil filter changed (4 without oil filter). The problem is that a proper oil change should be done with warm engine, so you should repeat it soon.

Another solution is at least cranking the engine to be sure itīs not seized but you wonīt be able to know if there is a problem with valves, camshaft, ignition... It would be something like a bet that you have 75% probabilities to win.

Xdimmysayzx
08-13-11, 03:29 PM
ok so went to look at the car today played with it for 2 hours (guy was doing yard work) , frame is unbelievably clean as are the floor pans, brake lines, trunk pans, etc. took a battery and played with the windows, power seats, convertible top, and blower, all okay ...clock in dash doesn't work but its whatever. Out of curiosity while the guy was distracted i cranked it once the dang thing turned over twice without hesitation. so i guess that's good, going to transfer the title Thursday pretty exited to get into it .... o and got better pics
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CADforce69
08-13-11, 04:38 PM
In that hole should be map reader light. Itīs just a bulb and a grid on it; maybe someone needing one took it. No problem; I know many vendors that could sell it to you.
It seems ok. Nothing missing -except for the above- and just right rear finder tip from other car that should be painted in the carīs color. Apart from that perhaps you wonīt need doing anything with body; just deep cleaning and polishing. If your decision is already taken, go ahead. Probably the car is totally ok. At least, if something was wrong, it should be repairable. Waiting for good pix and video :D

77CDV
08-13-11, 10:53 PM
Very nice. Looks like all you'll really need is a good deep cleaning and some minor cosmetic work. Change out all the fluids and filters as the first priority, then clean her up and enjoy for the last few weeks of summer. :)

cadillac_al
08-14-11, 10:07 AM
I wouldn't start it either with the old oil. I wouldn't worry too much about the mechanicals either if the owner is so confident. I have several cars in the same condition. I would only be concerned with body and frame cancer but not so much the lower front fenders because that is so easy to fix.

Xdimmysayzx
08-19-11, 11:48 AM
So I got the car last night, after an hour of trying to get the boat out of that little hole got it on the flatbed, and of course found some more body issues, nothing serious.Go it home in the garage hooked a battery up put the top down,etc... Not trying to start it yet wanna drop the tank and clean it, put some mystery oil in the cylinders. Wiped everything down with a semi clean rag interior cleaned up nice. steering wheel veneer fell apart trying to dry steer it on the flatbed. Found my Deville emblems on the floor almost swept them up lol and found the original title. anyways more pics!:bouncy:
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Video Coming Shortly!

outsider
08-19-11, 12:03 PM
congrats man! You're ganna have a blast with this car I can tell! :D

CADforce69
08-19-11, 12:14 PM
Congrats for your "new" caddy :) Interior seems to be in a fairly good condition. Just driver seat seam needs some stitch before it gets worse. Thatīs great as interior is expensive to restore. Treat leather with a moisturizer; it will need it after so much time without care. Paint is not perfect (some rust on fender edges) but not as bad as to use as it is for some time until you decide painting the car. At least no dents can be seen; just right front turn signal lens seems broken but you can find one on ebay for $ 55 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Cadillac-Turn-Signal-Lens-REPRODUCTION-/220225277232?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessorie s&hash=item3346730d30. This steering wheel is restorable. Take care of it as itīs very difficult finding a '69 one in good condition. I think 77CDV knows who can do it.

Canīt wait to see that engine running. :bouncy:

Xdimmysayzx
08-19-11, 01:34 PM
Yeah, it'll be fun :), tonight the frame gets wire brushed and interior conditioned. I'm just gonna take my time and do it right the first time. And yes I have looked everywhere for a steering wheel there about impossible to find. I think I'm gonna get fender skins because they're pretty bad. The throttle linkage was broke, snapped where the rod is welded to the part that connects to the carb (explains my gas pedal issue). Any help on finding that? did some research couldn't find much. :confused:

CADforce69
08-19-11, 09:04 PM
As for the throttle rod itīs true. I can not find it in the usual suppliers. You can try for a used one in http://aanationalautoparts.com/. They have some 69-70 caddies in their yard. For steering wheels, they do not have any in good condition. Iīve already asked :D

77CDV
08-19-11, 10:36 PM
Rally the only answer to the steering wheel question (if you want to retain the 1969 wheel with the one year only rim blow feature) is to have it rebuilt. There are several people that will do it for a couple hundred bucks.

CADforce69
08-19-11, 11:04 PM
If your horn is working, Iīd take wheel to an experienced restorer. Finding a 69-70 one in good condition will cost you about the same price after long time looking for it and having a good '69 wheel is something rather exclusive.

Xdimmysayzx
08-20-11, 12:54 PM
Hey guys, got alot of time in in the car last night, the horn does work its a miracle, thats cool as hell! Put some mystery oil in the cylinders to sit over night about 1.5 tsp, after about an hour cranked it just once ( not trying to start it ) turned over good so that makes me feel better. today the tank gets dropped and cleaned, oil change and antifreeze get added and I'll post an update hopefully she starts :bonkers:. We also took the hood off to get some space, that thing is heavy wow.... Oh and my girlfriend named it .... bondo :helpless:
pics coming soon

CADforce69
08-20-11, 02:08 PM
Itīs great the horn works... You have to restore it ;) As for the rest, Iīm sure the engine will start and run. Soon youīll get oil changed and clean tank so the great moment will come :D We named my '69 SDV Rex... Itīs good to keep motivated throughout restoration. Sometimes you find difficult moments and instead of getting angry with the car you consider it like and old big dog that needs special care to go on living :)

77CDV
08-20-11, 02:18 PM
Girlfriends should not be allowed to name cars. Just sayin'.

68 Deville Rag
08-20-11, 03:57 PM
Congrats on getting her home! I've got a 68 DeVille rag and they are a blast to drive. Good luck!!

Xdimmysayzx
08-21-11, 06:13 PM
well got the car out of the garage, changed the oil, filters, drained the tank, new gas, etc... well needs a coil. so got a new one and still no spark, so I put in a new condenser? (the thingy under the dist cap) waiting for the battery to charge up so i can get her running today!! car turns over sooo good and smooth... oh and found out the bearings in my alternator are shot but its easy to replace the whole thing.
Hope she starts today or it'll have to wait until Friday haha :suspense:

outsider
08-21-11, 07:29 PM
did you do the points and condenser? I bought a set for my 69 caddy but when we changed out the cap and rotor the points and condenser looked almost new so we didn't change them.

77CDV
08-21-11, 08:17 PM
I didn't event mess around with that BS. Went straight to HEI on my 69.

Xdimmysayzx
08-21-11, 09:24 PM
Ok guys need your help , getting power to the coil , but no power out to the dist? Replaced coil, condenser, cap and everthung else looks good any ideas ?

CADforce69
08-22-11, 09:10 AM
If you take the wire going from coil to points and get it close to some ground (engine block, car body...), are you getting a spark?. If so, coil is ok. When you place coil to distributor wire back in its place and take out a plug connected with its wire, get it close to ground and get no spark, you have a problem with distributor, most probably with points.

Did you check points? Maybe they are dirty. Try to clean them by a visit card or sand paper and check if the car starts then. Maybe points are burned. You can try change the points-condenser set (You can find it in a single piece)... Maybe you have a bad ground problem. In this thread deVille33 explains how to check if they are ok: http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/rwd-19xx-1984-deville-fleetwood-1985/220680-new-ignition-points-holes-mystery.html

Or you can go straight to HEI, as 77CDV suggests (no points so no distributor maintenance)... Maybe I upgrade my 69 in a future to HEI (Cadillac electronic ignition used in all models from 1974 until EFI appeared)

Be sure distributor position is not changed when you change points or distributor. Hope you get the car started :)

Xdimmysayzx
08-22-11, 12:31 PM
Thanks Ill try that tonight, I'm just wondering now if i got the wires right on the coil. Also, does the bracket around the coil act as a ground or can i leave that dirty for now?
I gotta get a service manual for this thing:tisk:

CADforce69
08-22-11, 01:13 PM
I donīt think the bracket is important for the coil correct operation; just wire connections. Try to get them as clean as possible; in a car so much time stopped and, as it seems, maybe stored in a somewhat humid place, connections tend to get rusted. Youīll need a good piece of sandpaper. It would be no wonder that points have not a good ground for that cause. On e-bay youīll find CD and paper '69 FSM. I strongly recommend you to get one. I have one and is an invaluable help: http://motors.shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=69+cadillac+shop+manual&_sacat=&_odkw=69+cadillac+service+manual&_osacat=0&bkBtn=&_trksid=p4506.m270.l1313

For less than $ 40 you can get the CD published by David Graham, that includes also the body manual. If you prefer a paper book, youīd want the Shop manual and the body manual.

ĄGood luck! :thumbsup:

outsider
08-22-11, 01:52 PM
I have original paper copies of FSM for all of my cars. I can't deal with the CD. i like to have the book out there with me while working :)

Xdimmysayzx
08-23-11, 10:54 PM
No spark from coil to dist, but its a new accel coil? I haven't got to clean the points yet ( tomorrow) Do I want the tan cadillac shop manual or the fisher body manual ?

outsider
08-23-11, 11:28 PM
tan shop manual.

Xdimmysayzx
08-26-11, 03:18 PM
Well cleaned the points today, but aborted the start because I seen the my new alternator not turning, after further inspection it looks like my smog pump is seized up.. Any way should I bypass this or is it necessary for belt operation since it's making my alternator not spin ? My shop manual isn't in yet :x

CADforce69
08-26-11, 04:04 PM
Alternator and water pump are moved by a belt, which is moved -in turn- by another connecting crankshaft pulley, water pump and A.I.R. pump. If you wanted to bypass A.I.R. pump, the only option is looking for a shorter belt, connecting just crankshaft and water pump, but it would be difficult to place as there would not be any tensor. You can buy a remanufactured one from Rockauto for $ 74 + shipping. Be sure the problem does not come from water pump.

Another option is taking out A.I.R. pump and try to release it though maybe it has some problem with bearings, for being so much time stopped.