: I'd like to introduce you to a new friend of mine, his name is Bill Blass.



I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-09-11, 08:58 PM
I was at an account of mine yesterday, a small town Ford/Lincoln dealer, and as I was heading home, I saw this blue/tan Mark IV in the back parking lot, but I was in a hurry and didn't have time to go back and look at it, but I thought.... "hmm, is that a Bill Blass? They were all a dark blue with the tan vinyl quarter top...no way that's a Bill Blass, they're so rare..." So on the way back home today, I took a bit of a detour, so I could drive past that dealer again and go in and further investigate.

Well, it was a Bill Blass edition Mark IV Continental. One of my all time (like in the top 5) favorite cars.


Let me give you a bit on info on the Bill Blass Mark IV/V Continentals.

For the 1976 model year, to keep the interest in the brand and the aging models, Lincoln went to four very exclusive names in the fashion world and had them each design a special edition with their name on it.

There was the Bill Blass:
http://automotivemileposts.com/files/mark41976billblassmulti.jpg
Always done in a dark blue, with the tan quarter top and tan accented seats. My favorite color combo.

The Cartier:
http://automotivemileposts.com/files/mark41976cartiermulti.jpg
Always done in greys...very neutral colors. Not as appealing IMO as the flashy Blass.

The Givenchy:
http://automotivemileposts.com/files/mark41976givenchymulti.jpg
Done in typical '70s light blue with a two tone interior and a white quarter top. The most feminine of the bunch IMO.

The Pucci:
http://automotivemileposts.com/files/mark41976emiliopuccimulti.jpg
A deep, deep red with a white top and red interior.


Anyways, the Bill Blass was the one I always liked, but I've never seen one in person. I've seen a lot of the Mark V Bill Blass editions, but I always preferred the IV.

This is probably one of the best examples of any '70s Lincoln I've ever seen. It's got 19,000 original miles, stored in a heated garage since 1978 and owned by an employee of the dealership who's father bought it new and now he won't sell it. Even if I couldn't buy this one, I'm just glad to see it owned by someone that knows how rare it is and will cherish it.

Isn't it beautiful?
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Default%202/2011-08-09_16-55-44_415.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Default%202/2011-08-09_16-54-54_903.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Default%202/2011-08-09_16-55-06_151.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Default%202/2011-08-09_16-56-18_530.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Default%202/2011-08-09_16-56-44_323.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Default%202/2011-08-09_16-57-07_198.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Default%202/2011-08-09_16-57-57_729.jpg


So glad I drove an hour out of my way to see this. :)

orconn
08-09-11, 09:11 PM
Great find, Chad! Glad you shared "Bill" with us.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-09-11, 09:21 PM
They did a Bill Blass Mark V and VI as well, and I think it went up into the VII's as well.

1977:
http://automotivemileposts.com/files/mark51977billblassbrochure.jpg

1978:
http://automotivemileposts.com/files/mark51978billblass.jpg

1979:
http://automotivemileposts.com/files/mark51979billblass.jpg

hueterm
08-09-11, 09:26 PM
I like the Bill Blass Mark V...did it have camel seats, or blue/camel?

I hate that blue and white nautical one, BTW.... That is pretty pimptastic...

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-09-11, 09:31 PM
I saw a '79 Mark V Bill Blass in the town I grew up in. I've got pictures of it somewhere on photobucket, let's see if I can dig them up...

Yeah, a lot tackier and way over the top (LOL) compared to the Mark IV. The Bill Blass lincolns always had a nautical theme.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Default%202/IMG_1108.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Default%202/IMG_1107.jpg

77CDV
08-09-11, 09:54 PM
You had me going for a while there, Chad. Thought you'd enlarged the fleet! Lovely find, and not commonly seen anywhere, even here in sunny, dry SoCal. I have to admit, I prefer the understated Cartier. :hide:

Destroyer
08-09-11, 09:56 PM
So when are you gonna pull the trigger and finally buy one? :)

77CDV
08-09-11, 09:58 PM
Give him 10 years.

brandondeleo
08-09-11, 10:07 PM
So GAUDY but so AWESOME. Lol

Aron9000
08-10-11, 01:51 AM
And I thought you had finally bought one. I kind of like the Cartier myself, the subtle tone on tone is really well done IMO.

brandondeleo
08-10-11, 01:55 AM
I find the Cartier attractive for it's subtle luxury, but I can't help but be drawn to the Pucci, regardless of the maroon interior. Lol. I think it's the Italian in me...

brandondeleo
08-10-11, 01:57 AM
I just noticed: all of the girls are wearing something vaguely attractive in one way or another for their time, but the Bill Blass one looks like a freaking Quaker.

gdwriter
08-10-11, 02:04 AM
I just noticed: all of the girls are wearing something vaguely attractive in one way or another for their time, but the Bill Blass one looks like a freaking Quaker.Or maybe Amish. :lol:

Very nice find, and it's good to know the car belongs to someone who appreciates it for what it is and will take good care of it.

Although subtle is not a word I'd use to describe a Mark IV, I do prefer the more understated look of the Cartier.

orconn
08-10-11, 02:54 AM
I had a "Cartier Edition" Mark IV as a loaner back in 1977, I don't remember if it had cloth or leather seats, but I do remember that the instrument panel seemed awfully "plasticky" to me, which was a real turn off for me. The car was kind of pretty and I definitely preferred the Cartier ED. over the other designer editions. That long hood was definitely impressive, but truth be told it really didn't drive much better than my '67 Thunderbird and not as good as the Chrysler Cordoba I had at the time (it was smoother than the Cordoba, but went around corners like a fat man on skates!).

brandondeleo
08-10-11, 02:58 AM
I ran across a black MK4 Continental today... It made my DeVille look both puny and generic. Lol

mberisha
08-10-11, 04:36 AM
Wow....that is sharp.....I owned a '79 Town Car back in 1994 as a junior is high school (paid $1200 cash for it)....memory lane....

BTW...did you snap anymore pics of the interior?

2005CTS-V
08-10-11, 08:27 AM
Boy that brings back memories, my Dad had a black Mark IV, like that I used to drive every now and then. I still remember washing it before taking it out for a cruise. That was a sweet car!

Stingroo
08-10-11, 08:44 AM
This thread doesn't deliver. Here I thought you just pulled off the score of the decade. :(

ThumperPup
08-10-11, 10:13 AM
bill blass has always been one of my favorits the MARK IV
but my favorite of all i would have to say and the one i would buy first is the 79 i love that color combo and hey it was the year i was born
i have been looking for a extraordinary one for years and i just cant seem to find it when i say years i mean years like i started in 1997 i came close 2 times but no cigar

Bro-Ham
08-10-11, 06:56 PM
WOW!~ Congrats on the purchase Chad! Looks like a beauty! :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-10-11, 08:09 PM
Haha, thanks Dave, but I didn't have the $25,000 he wanted for that car. Spoke to the owner and he said he's not interested in selling it in the foreseeable future, but if he ever did, he wouldn't let it go for less than $25,000.

I'd have a hard time paying more than $10,000 for a mint Mark IV of any variety, especially when there are so many garage queens out there with owners that would get rid of them for far less than that.

Playdrv4me
08-11-11, 06:21 AM
lol @ the 25k figure.

The-Dullahan
08-13-11, 05:04 AM
When I bought my Mark IV, that is what the previous owner thought it was, but I called him on immediately. Not so much as he was trying to fool me, he was just not well educated on the subject. Interesting sidenote, around $4,000 will soon be invested into the Mark IV, which is pretty good for a car I am being told is all photoshop and never actually existed.

77CDV
08-13-11, 10:59 PM
^Who's saying the car doesn't exist? Hell, you don't even wear a fedora! :mad:

Stingroo
08-13-11, 11:10 PM
This is a good point he makes.... :lol: Craig wins.

Stingroo
08-13-11, 11:35 PM
Lincoln CONFIRMED:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/294321_233369486705823_100000983210013_687253_3710 69_n.jpg

Night Wolf
08-14-11, 12:12 AM
My favorite 70s Lincoln was never put into production :(

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/Florida/1-6-08004.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/Florida/1-6-08007.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/Florida/1-6-08008.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/Florida/1-6-08009.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/Florida/1-6-08010.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/Florida/1-6-08011.jpg

mberisha
08-14-11, 08:17 AM
Nice! What year is that? Has the exact same interior of my old '79.......

brandondeleo
08-14-11, 08:18 AM
That convertible is 31 flavors of AWESOME.

Night Wolf
08-14-11, 10:48 AM
IIRC it was a '79. 1 of 3 or so converted when new by one of the common conversion companies. I'm already a fan of that body style and the convertible really flows seamless with the design. It was for sale at the time too, I think they wanted around $10k for it. I was driving by and had to check it out, just for sheer awesomness but also because I thought the contrast in automotive design between it and the e30 (came out in '83) was real neat - something that seems to be lost in time now.

Florian
08-14-11, 12:44 PM
UAF

I drove a 77 Cougar that looked better than these sheissboxes...


F

orconn
08-14-11, 03:43 PM
UAF

I drove a 77 Cougar that looked better than these sheissboxes...


F

The 1977 Thunderbird and Cougar were the epidome of the crap Ford was turning out in the mid seveties. You rarely see them because they returned to dirt many decades ago!

Playdrv4me
08-14-11, 09:30 PM
Eww-gar

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-14-11, 10:38 PM
The 1977 Thunderbird and Cougar were the epidome of the crap Ford was turning out in the mid seveties. You rarely see them because they returned to dirt many decades ago!

X2. The '77 Cougar ranks up there with the Lynx in terms of all time Ford-produced garbage.

gdwriter
08-14-11, 10:42 PM
X2. The '77 Cougar ranks up there with the Lynx in terms of all time Ford-produced garbage.Oh, I can think of worse. The 1980 downsize for example:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5203/5291856806_c08da12d4d.jpg

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-14-11, 10:46 PM
Wasn't it that generation that they offered a Cougar Sedan and Wagon?

gdwriter
08-14-11, 11:03 PM
1977-79 and 81-82 Cougar sedans and wagons, the latter on that same hideous platform as the unlamented Ford Granada:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB0tXNr7hX8

77CDV
08-14-11, 11:17 PM
Looks Fox-y! :D

orconn
08-15-11, 12:19 AM
I had completely forgotten about those 1980-1981 Cougars .... I can't imagine why I had forgotten them!

The-Dullahan
08-15-11, 03:31 AM
^Who's saying the car doesn't exist? Hell, you don't even wear a fedora! :mad:

I am part Italian, though I never wear a Fedora, I had one at arms reach the second Sting texted me about it and FUZZY DICE TO BOOT. (I answer the phone at work as whatever I feel like, followed by "Home Of The Fuzzy Dice")


Lincoln CONFIRMED:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/294321_233369486705823_100000983210013_687253_3710 69_n.jpg

Should have written "Mark IV, Roo Edition" in the condensation with my finger.

Now I need a photo of the Cadillac with...A Flatcap or a Tophat?...Hmmm...

Florian
08-15-11, 01:05 PM
The 1977 Thunderbird and Cougar were the epidome of the crap Ford was turning out in the mid seveties. You rarely see them because they returned to dirt many decades ago!

I certainly dont deny that they were awful, underpowered and the epitome of an eyesore, but they looked much better than the BB Lincolns.

F

orconn
08-15-11, 03:15 PM
^^^ If your fancy is for large garish, poorly made American cars, as Chad seems to indicate, then the Lincolns of the seventies are you cup of tea. And the Mark IV's and V's of that period are premo examples. That isn't to say the GM and Chrysler didn't produce their share of humongous self destructing barges too. Although the second half of that decade GM produced some good cars, some of the best in their long history.

The following decade, the eighties, was a wasteland when it came to American cars. Many of my friends, and myself included, kept our '77 to '79 Cadillacs way past their usual rotation because the eighties models were so inferior when it came to performance. The heightened quality of the late seventies Cadillacs also made this possible.

hueterm
08-15-11, 05:59 PM
A '77-79 Coupe de Ville is still on my must have list.... Preferably in black or white with the saddle interior... :drool:

Night Wolf
08-15-11, 06:43 PM
23/34mpg on the old Cougar - not too shabby! I think a similar car finally caught back up to that...


^^^ If your fancy is for large garish, poorly made American cars, as Chad seems to indicate, then the Lincolns of the seventies are you cup of tea.

:histeric:


The following decade, the eighties, was a wasteland when it came to American cars. Many of my friends, and myself included, kept our '77 to '79 Cadillacs way past their usual rotation because the eighties models were so inferior when it came to performance. The heightened quality of the late seventies Cadillacs also made this possible

I grew up around all sorts of 80s GM vehicles. To me, they were "home". It wasn't until later on when I experienced Japanese and German vehicles that many of the downfalls were obvious. The experience seems to be the same as up to recent GM, good engines in overall poor quality cars. Still though, a soft place in my heart for them.

My '79 Sedan DeVille d'Elegance never felt like a "classic" to me. Maybe because I grew up with/learned to drive on/drove my moms '89 Brougham. The '79 just felt one generation too young to be a real classic Cadillac. I prefer the more cleaner/formal styling of the '89 Brougham over the '79 DeVille too.

gdwriter
08-15-11, 06:51 PM
425 > 368 > 307 > 4100

drewsdeville
08-15-11, 10:47 PM
425 > 368 > 307 > 4100

Which one of these is not like the others?

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-16-11, 12:57 AM
The last TWO?

gdwriter
08-16-11, 02:43 AM
Which one of these is not like the others?The 307 is an Oldsmobile engine. The other three are Cadillac engines.

Night Wolf
08-16-11, 07:53 PM
425 > 368 > 307 > 4100

How many of each have you owned?

Given the 3 "main" different segments of the '77-'92 series, my choice would the the 425 with the '89 body and the '92 interior. Then again a 5.7 '90-'92 would do the job just as well and with (a somewhat lame) FI system.

The 425 wasn't all that impressive in my '79. Better than the 307? Yes, but nothing crazy. The modified '68 472 intake manifold helped it out a good bit though. The 307 had a 4sp transmission - with TC lock, something the TH400 didn't have. It also had lower gearing. The 2.28 rear axle on my '79 allowed the car to reach 60mph in 1st and it's top speed of 110mph in 2nd - both at 4000RPM redline, but really dogged it off the line.

The car ran a 17.9 @ 84mph in the 1/4mi. That was with a rebuilt Quadrajet and 1" carb spacer atop the modified '68 472 intake manifold along with an empty cat conv. For what it's worth - folks want to poke fun at a Jeep being "slow" but mine ran the 1/4mi a second faster than the big block Caddy.

The Olds 307 gets a bad rep too, the CCC system was a PITA and miles of vacuum lines sucked (pun!) but overall, that engine performed decent when in good tune - which many really let them go to crap. The overdrive with lockout would really help MPG on a highway trip - when extra engine power or low end torque doesn't matter. In good tune, a full size 307 car can easily pull low 20's MPG highway. My '79 saw a best of 16mpg highway, most the time t was 14-15mpg. Even 5mpg difference was quite a big deal over hundreds of miles.

The '79 was my favorite of '77-'79, had the better looking tail lights, grilles and steering wheel. I couldn't stand the light burl (fake) wood on the dash, so I replaced them with the darker walnut from a late 80s Brougham. The real spoked wheels and double pinstripe really made the car look a whole lot better. Adding a rear sway bar from a Fleetwood helping the "handling". The car sorta looked "cheap" like it was missing something - I think it was the lower chrome trim that the DeVille's didn't have but the Brougham did, it made a huge difference.

Here it was in Clearwater, FL. Made the ~1500mi drive from NY just fine. Actually was one of the most comfortable highway cars I've owned.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x245/NightWolf93/PDR_1050.jpg

Here is the '89 Brougham. My mom had it since I was 10. I grew up with this car, learned to drive in it and took my drivers test in it. Almost 5 years ago my mom gave it to me when they got their Park Ave and I had it for a year so so and fixed it up a bit. Then when I bought my house, it was just too much stuff going on at once so I made Ben (used to be active on the site here) an offer he couldn't refuse as he showed a lot of interest in it, I knew it wasn't worth much and wanted it to go to a good home. I drove it up to him in TN and flew back.

Then a year later when I bought my first BMW in Nashville, we met up in Chattanooga:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/purchase/10-13-08026.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/purchase/10-13-08031.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW/purchase/10-13-08035.jpg

That car had all sorts of dealer-installed extras when new... yet for some reason, it all pulled the car together. Normally I can't stand gold grilles or aftermarket roofs. Maybe because I grew up with that car, but it just all worked very well. The black fabric roof looked great on the grey body. It had grey leather interior and all the piping on the seat was changed to black to match the outside. Looked great.

For what ever reasons someone would pick a '77-79, '86-'89 or '90-'92 Deville/Brougham over another - mostly style related things. But the the engine choice shouldn't be the deciding factor. They are all reliable and they are all slow. Heck I'll even add the HT4100 cars into the mix - because if they made it this far, then most likely it'll hold together for a whole lot longer too.

It is often said the 425 is 2nd fastest of the group only beat by the FI 5.7. Yet the 425 ran a 17.9 (consistant, to the hundredth over 4 runs the whole night) and the others are a second or so slower... not the biggest deal. At that point I'd take the 4sp transmission along with lockout for a nice boost in MPG over a whole second in the 1/4mi. My 121hp '87 528e is faster than both the '79 and '89, which isn't really saying a whole lot either.

drewsdeville
08-16-11, 08:18 PM
^^^Well done. While I haven't owned all of the above, I did own a 307/TH-200C powered Delta 88 and I've driven some of the others. Frankly, I agree with the whole thing. The lockup converter was a BIG deal for the 307 cars - it really did make a world of difference.

The 307 powered cars were also cammed well for the steep gearing of the '80's, and as long as you weren't drag racing it, they were OK drivers. Great low end power made it seem like it was more than 140hp around town, much like how many 4.5/4.9 owners feel. However, at highway speeds, they ran out of breath real quick.

Reliability? Mine always had a slight detonation/pinging problem. Disabling problems: none. When I was through with it, it was donated with rust up to the door handles, a spotless interior, and over 210k miles on the original drivetrain. Miraculously, it still didn't use fluids.

That said, would I ever get another? Never. Most of the engines listed above carried GM through some dark, very dark years, and they really don't have anything to offer over previous and latter years. Poor performance, poor mileage, placed into cars of questionable quality, I'll pass.

Night Wolf
08-16-11, 11:19 PM
^^^Well done. While I haven't owned all of the above, I did own a 307/TH-200C powered Delta 88 and I've driven some of the others. Frankly, I agree with the whole thing. The lockup converter was a BIG deal for the 307 cars - it really did make a world of difference.

The 307 powered cars were also cammed well for the steep gearing of the '80's, and as long as you weren't drag racing it, they were OK drivers. Great low end power made it seem like it was more than 140hp around town, much like how many 4.5/4.9 owners feel. However, at highway speeds, they ran out of breath real quick.

Reliability? Mine always had a slight detonation/pinging problem. Disabling problems: none. When I was through with it, it was donated with rust up to the door handles, a spotless interior, and over 210k miles on the original drivetrain. Miraculously, it still didn't use fluids.

That said, would I ever get another? Never. Most of the engines listed above carried GM through some dark, very dark years, and they really don't have anything to offer over previous and latter years. Poor performance, poor mileage, placed into cars of questionable quality, I'll pass.

Yup. My the '89 also pinged a lot so premium gas was needed. When I got it, I tuned it up a bit and it ran on regular fine. I agree with the Olds 307 on power - the numbers weren't much, but the engine was designed well enough that with devent gearing and the 4spd, it really didn't do well. Besides, these cars were really at home crusing on the highway. At that point, the Olds 307 was perfect as the overdrive and lockout were able to outperform the non locking direct drive TH400. As for top end, it's not like any of these cars had much and the whole chassis got interesing when speeds hit triple digits - lets just say it was no similar era BMW for sure.

Who knows if I'd own one again. Not as a daily driver, but if I ever had abundent garage space I'd probably get another just for old times sake. Overall I can really let a lot of the drawbacks on these cars go just because they are "home" to me. Now that they aren't common to see as most of the ragged out and trashed ones are no longer on the roads, when I do see when I admire it.

I grew up around all sorts of GM, but just reffering to "these" cars:

1979 Cadillac Coupe DeVille - was around before I was born, I remember it as a kid. Mostly when my father first got his boat and used it to tow. Most vividly was trying to pull the ~5000lbs Sea Ray and trailer out of the water on the slippery ramp with a RWD car, he'd always make a game out of it and floor it as the transmission shifted thru the gears and burried the speedo past 85 while staying still. Other guys had to jump on the rear bumper to get traction - it was always interesting. The 4x4 full size Bronco took a lot of the fun away from pulling the boat out of the water.

1984 Cadillac Sedan DeVille - yup, HT4100 and all. My mom bought this car in 1998 with less than 40k miles. It replaced her AMC Eagle after it needed too many repairs. She really liked this car as it was baically new. After 4 months of ownership, it gave up its' life to save hers.

1989 Cadillac Brougham - replaced the '84 SDV after my mom was able to drive again. Was mint and low miles from FL but ~8 years in NY and yummy salty winters really tooks its toll on the car, plus my mom didn't have the money to cosmetically keep the car maintained.

1984 Oldsmobile Delta 88 - my step father had this car for many years as a kid. It replaced his late 60s/early 70s Buick Skylark and he put many miles on it, sold it with a nice interior, very rusty and ~230k.

1987 Cadillac Brougham - my step father replaced the Olds with this, also mint and low mile from FL. It too got a full run on life and was retired at a very rusty, very worn out state around ~230k

That was just that "series" of cars that I grew up with. Other than that I also spent 10 years growing up with my fathers '88 Fiero Formula which was replaced with his '99 Grand Prix GTP in '01. Before the AMC Eagle, my mom had 2 Chevettes and I have a lot of memories with those, a '83 red 2-door and a '84 white 4-door for a long time.

When my mom/step fathers '87/'89 Broughams needed to be replaced I pointed them to a nice '98 Buick Park Ave, which up to just now has been well, now the intake manifold is leaking coolant.

I guess I grew up totally in the dark ages of GM, in some of the reported worst vehicles. Ah well, I have a soft spot in my heart for all them and have a hard time comparing them as regular "cars" for that reason.

Besides those, I had my own share of GM - '79 Caddy SDV, '93 Caddy CDV, '89 Oldsmobile Eighty Eight. As for Ford, my fathers '85 Bronco was purchased as a young kid and I grew up with that too. I used to (greatly) prefer riding in that over the Fiero. Then I had a Ford of my own - '96 Lincoln Town Car. My mom had a '74 Ford LTD before the Chevette but I was a newborn don't remember any part of it.

GM carried myself and my imediate family through many decades. I remember being a huge GM fanboi and still give the cars more credit then they probably deserve, but I like them. It's just too bad that when my preferences in automobiles changed and I looked to GM to fill the void, there was nothing there even remotely close, over decades. Then when I experienced "other" cars of the same era, I see just how "fake" so much of it was, from the water color chrome, the plastic wood to going way too far trying to prove their car was "better" than the competition - when it clearly wasn't. Build quality was largely lacking - and it was classic GM, great engines in poorly built cars.

Still though, a soft spot in my heart for them.