: Of the 2004-2007's, which would you choose?



joeybutts
07-22-11, 04:53 PM
Hey gang! Hoping to buy a V some time in the near future and am wondering if any of these particular years offer more than the other years. When I bought my Mustang I just went to the dealer, saw it and bought it. If I would have taken a little time to research I would have made a different decision.

The only two things that I have found reading through the FAQ and forum that lean me toward an '06 or '07 is the diff and the LS2. But if I can get an '05 for $16k and an '06 for $23k, is the $7k worth it?

Thanks guys and I'm looking forward to learning and enjoying as much of the V as I can!

Andringa
07-22-11, 05:26 PM
I don't think we can really help you with this. You pointed out the two biggest differences.

The common answer seems to be that individual condition of the car you are looking at greatly out weighs the benefits of any specific year. What I mean is that I would pay more for a low mileage, one owner '04 than I would for a high mileage '07.

Good luck.

bjv
07-22-11, 05:45 PM
I chose 2007 for myself. And it helped that a local dealer had one in stock.

whisler151
07-22-11, 06:09 PM
2007 ftw.

cvettr/cts-v
07-22-11, 06:33 PM
I agree mileage and condition are most important followed closely by warranty.

rand49er
07-22-11, 06:44 PM
Get the newest, lowest mileage, best condition, lowest cost, best maintained one you can find.

'Nuff said.

shadybx7
07-22-11, 07:08 PM
the one i have...:D

:horse:

joeybutts
07-22-11, 09:58 PM
Thanks guys! I was thinking along the same lines as all of you guys. Guess I'll have to determine the mileage and condition and weigh it all out. Really appreciate confirmation.

Houdini
07-23-11, 12:09 PM
2007.... 100k powertrain warranty included. LS2 FTW! Either that or find a CPO car.

gsx-lex
07-23-11, 01:21 PM
I love my 2007 black/black. I've tried to sell mine twice, but I can never bring myself to close the deal.

joeybutts
07-23-11, 01:51 PM
PArdon my ignorance Houdini, but what is a CPO car? Also, is 2007 when they started putting 100k warranties on the car?

JimmyH
07-23-11, 10:49 PM
Certified Pre Owned


No "truck motor" comments yet? I am disappoint.

Houdini
07-23-11, 11:00 PM
Yes, 2007 started the 100k powertrain warranties. Go with an 06-07... the 'torque motor'. :P

CancerJCC
07-24-11, 07:54 AM
I personally would go with an 04' blown V, oh wait.

By the way the 06-07's have steering wheel radio controls as well whereas I don't.

WesH8398
07-24-11, 08:40 AM
All these suggestions are just going to be personal preference and opinion man, in the end you're obviously going to have to weigh the benefits/drawbacks and make your own decision. Personally, unlike many, I don't think mileage is a true indicator of the vehicle's worth. It unfortunately become a standard with used cars though. I almost feel like the number of owners is more important, as more owners = a higher possibility of abusive driving or issues that result in owners not wanting to deal with the car anymore and just passing the buck.
The one thing that would be one of the best indicators of the vehicle's value is how it was maintained and how it was generally driven. I would have zero qualms with buying a car for top dollar with high mileage if I was confident that it was treated well through all those miles. Unfortunately, this is easily lied about and tough for the seller to prove to you. Thus, mileage becomes the next best thing 'cause it's easily proven and tough to circumvent.

In any event, go with the best value for your buck. Many of the 04/05's may have updated differentials, and who knows if the owner is even aware of that fact or aware of the value that it holds in terms of resale. Definitely get the maintenance/accident records (carfax, etc) to see for yourself if the car's been a 'problem car' and see what work/updates have been performed. If the car has had axle seals replaced a few times or more and yet you don't see a differential replacement or repair, I'd stay away. I'm sure the other guys will chime in about some more red flags in terms of warranty work and carfax reports. That report should really help you make your decision though. Buy a handful of em and once your down to having to decide between the final few cars, run em all.

That's just my .02

JDB
07-24-11, 04:00 PM
LS6 v LS2 wasn't a concern to me. I went with an '05 only because it was the one with a CPO warranty and it only had 24k miles. I've had the upgrade diff installed under warranty because it was whining...honestly, not a lot...but the dealer did it anyway. New diff is definitely quiet. I've had a lot of the common issues dealt with under CPO. That's the only way I'd pay $23k over high teens.

It's getting harder and harder to find these cars with a warranty AND low miles, so good luck! I just got lucky with timing, I guess.

Also, I wouldn't spend the extra money on an '06 over an '05, maybe for an '07 for the drivetrain 100k warranty (not bumper to bumper!)...especially if Thunder grey...since that extra $5-7k could be spent on immediate maintenance, mods, and pocket some $ for future repairs...all while having a lower car payment.

rand49er
07-24-11, 04:27 PM
:postpics:

Chubbilicious420
07-24-11, 05:44 PM
Go for the GMPP warranty car. I bought a GM mule 5.5 years ago and the warranty is out in a couple months or 1400 miles. GM lost money on this car. Secondly, I would go for the one owner car with an audit trail on the service history. Dont let high miles scare you. I would prefer a high milage car with the problems worked out vs a garage queen that is not driven regularly. Give me a torque happy LS2 any day over the gotta drive it like you hate it LS6.

JNR
07-24-11, 05:57 PM
About the biggest differences beside those you mentioned (OP) is color selection [like thunder gray was only 2007] and I believe the 06-07 has different steering wheel controls. I have an '07 thunder gray and love the color, but I so happened across it, but glad I did. I liked the silver color too on the older models (forgot the name, not the stealth gray one that looks sort of bluish)...

The only real way to tell an 06-07 from the outside is the black wheel hub covers (vs. silver for 04-05) and that silly GM chiclet badge on the lower part of the front fender. Otherwise, they look almost all the same, as far as years' differences go.

These things didn't have many options beyond paint color (the special colors were ~$1k) and dealer installed shocks (FGC2's was it? forgot the RPO) and some accessories (like wheels, brakes and CF engine cover stuff)...They are like the GTO's in that respect where they mostly all came with all the stuff and difference being engine, although 05 GTO improved on the 04's in many ways, compared to the CTS-V's. The LS6 and LS2 on paper are both same hp/torque, but the larger engine (LS2) has not only more CI, but better cam as far as torque in most all the rpms...Will you notice it, probably not, but they are different engines with slightly different characteristics.

Chubbilicious420
07-24-11, 06:09 PM
About the biggest differences beside those you mentioned (OP) is color selection [like thunder gray was only 2007] and I believe the 06-07 has different steering wheel controls. I have an '07 thunder gray and love the color, but I so happened across it, but glad I did. I liked the silver color too on the older models (forgot the name, not the stealth gray one that looks sort of bluish)...

The only real way to tell an 06-07 from the outside is the black wheel hub covers (vs. silver for 04-05) and that silly GM chiclet badge on the lower part of the front fender. Otherwise, they look almost all the same, as far as years' differences go.

These things didn't have many options beyond paint color (the special colors were ~$1k) and dealer installed shocks (FGC2's was it? forgot the RPO) and some accessories (like wheels, brakes and CF engine cover stuff)...They are like the GTO's in that respect where they mostly all came with all the stuff and difference being engine, although 05 GTO improved on the 04's in many ways, compared to the CTS-V's. The LS6 and LS2 on paper are both same hp/torque, but the larger engine (LS2) has not only more CI, but better cam as far as torque in most all the rpms...Will you notice it, probably not, but they are different engines with slightly different characteristics.
Steath Grey looks blueish. The old silver is nothing but silver. As far as telling a difference between the LS2 and LS6, I have drove more than a few of each. my uncle sold caddy for 30 plus years. A couple buddies have LS6s, I can definitely feel a difference. One has great bottom end and the other has great top end. LS 2 makes has a fatter TQ curve, but gets flat on the top end. Drive both and see which one appeals to you. Cant go wrong with either.

rand49er
07-25-11, 08:14 AM
Steath Grey looks blueish. ...

... Cant go wrong with either.In the sun, mine does look more bluish. On a cloudy day, it definitely looks more gray. Favorite is still Thunder Gray.

Your last comment re LS6 vs LS2 is spot on.

lollygagger8
07-25-11, 09:17 AM
Get one with a LS2 so you can pull boats. Maybe they'll throw in a hitch too! :2thumbs:

Seriously though:

If you get an older V, you can always get a newer diff, or it may have already been updated. Check the service records.

Silver FTW

JimmyH
07-25-11, 01:31 PM
In the sun, mine does look more bluish. On a cloudy day, it definitely looks more gray. Favorite is still Thunder Gray.

Your last comment re LS6 vs LS2 is spot on.

I think Stealth Gray is better. Anyone whoever saw my V always exclaimed what an amazing color it was. There is a guy at work who is still pissed at me for not selling him my V just for the color.

Castro
07-25-11, 04:24 PM
Get the warranty service history. Any Cadillac dealer can pull it for you. This will tell you which diff you're getting, whether the typical things have been dealt with, and whether there are any scary reoccurring issues like electrical gremlins. Mine showed a nice newest version diff with under 20K miles and nothing else that was serious so I jumped on it.

thebigjimsho
07-26-11, 04:03 PM
Get one with a LS2 so you can pull boats. Maybe they'll throw in a hitch too! :2thumbs:

Seriously though:

If you get an older V, you can always get a newer diff, or it may have already been updated. Check the service records.

Silver FTWMy '04 has had everything updated. And it's an '04. A true collectible...

JimmyH
07-26-11, 04:28 PM
Your's has custom fender work as well.

CadzillaTN
07-26-11, 04:35 PM
Guardrail mod

JimmyH
07-26-11, 06:38 PM
he was close, but no urbanski

yooper
07-26-11, 10:29 PM
Here's one for you

http://www.lingenfelter.com/vehicles/for-sale/lingenfelter-supercharged-2007-cadillac-cts-v-sedan

:worship:

thebigjimsho
07-27-11, 12:46 AM
ewe bastids.

lollygagger8
07-27-11, 08:30 AM
Here's one for you

http://www.lingenfelter.com/vehicles/for-sale/lingenfelter-supercharged-2007-cadillac-cts-v-sedan

:worship:

Besides the loony price, it still has yellow fogs and no diff treatment. :nono:

rand49er
07-27-11, 08:33 AM
Here's one for you

http://www.lingenfelter.com/vehicles/for-sale/lingenfelter-supercharged-2007-cadillac-cts-v-sedan

:worship:I believe I've seen that one while in Ann Arbor. Couldn't stop and talk to the driver (he was parked and standing next to the car) ... darn it.

JimmyH
07-27-11, 12:58 PM
Here's one for you

http://www.lingenfelter.com/vehicles/for-sale/lingenfelter-supercharged-2007-cadillac-cts-v-sedan

:worship:

fitting that it has a truck motor, since they defaced it with truck fenders

50 4Ever
07-27-11, 09:08 PM
I had an '05 and now have an '07. The '07 is by far the best of the two.

As for CPO - it's just a sales gimmick. They look the car over and check items off and then tack the price of a warranty onto the car. IMHO not worth it.

CadzillaTN
07-27-11, 10:25 PM
I had an '05 and now have an '07. The '07 is by far the best of the two.

As for CPO - it's just a sales gimmick. They look the car over and check items off and then tack the price of a warranty onto the car. IMHO not worth it.

By far..? Are you sure it isnt just the radio controls on the wheel?

JimmyH
07-27-11, 10:33 PM
I had an '05 and now have an '07. The '07 is by far the best of the two.

As for CPO - it's just a sales gimmick. They look the car over and check items off and then tack the price of a warranty onto the car. IMHO not worth it.

I don't know about the 07, but on my 05 certified added quite a bit of warranty. With no deductible. And no arguing with a third party provider. It was worth the $1000.

Houdini
07-28-11, 07:19 AM
I'm still in love with my luxury cpo warranty. So worth the price premium I paid for my V. I can't imagine the many thousands of dollars I'd be out without it. I've even used the free towing once.

50 4Ever
07-28-11, 10:03 AM
By far..? Are you sure it isnt just the radio controls on the wheel?

Yes, by far. I had a lot of problems with the transmission in the 05, wouldn't go into reverse problem. Not one single problem with the 07. None of the radio buttons are peeling, the 05 you just touched a button and the paint would flake off. The 07 is more fun to drive, more torquey engine. Oh yeah, the steering wheel radio controls aren't bad either, the replaced the cruise control buttons I had on the 05... ;-)

CPO - my earlier comment about it being not worth it - I meant you could do better yourself buying an extended warranty. IMHO the CPO warranty is over priced.

kevm14
07-28-11, 08:16 PM
The old Luxury CPO warranty was the best in the business. The new Premium CPO is decent, too, though probably about the same as the best GMPP, with no deductible. ANYTHING from GM is better than anything from a 3rd party company, though.

lunarx
07-28-11, 09:56 PM
LS2 has a better PCM (computer) making it easier to tune for big mods.
Good thing, since if you get an LS2 you will want to swap that truck engine. :stirpot:
LS6 PCM can be tuned well too (even with engine swap), it just made my tuner complain that he wished I had the LS2 PCM to make his job easier.

Either way the tuner is far more important than the PCM as is the condition of the car you buy.
If staying nearly stock or just Maggie, I'd prefer LS6.
If modding either engine, upgrade your Fuel Pump upon exceeding 400 WHP.

CadzillaTN
07-28-11, 10:51 PM
I knew it!

LS6 FTW

Sullyfx
07-29-11, 01:34 AM
I agree with earlier post " Go for the best all around deal ". My 05 I bought yesterday has 80K on it, but was a one owner who kept it bone stock and
rubbed it with a diaper. Also it was an extremely low price!!!! :highfive: So the higher miles and older model didn't concern me.

thebigjimsho
07-30-11, 02:37 PM
Yes, by far. I had a lot of problems with the transmission in the 05, wouldn't go into reverse problem. Not one single problem with the 07. None of the radio buttons are peeling, the 05 you just touched a button and the paint would flake off. The 07 is more fun to drive, more torquey engine. Oh yeah, the steering wheel radio controls aren't bad either, the replaced the cruise control buttons I had on the 05... ;-)

CPO - my earlier comment about it being not worth it - I meant you could do better yourself buying an extended warranty. IMHO the CPO warranty is over priced.My '09 would trump all that for luxury features and lack of major problems. Doesn't mean I love it more than my '04...

thebigjimsho
07-30-11, 02:38 PM
Rubbed with a diaper? If that's all it takes...

thebigjimsho
07-30-11, 02:39 PM
I guess it all Depends. lulz.

50 4Ever
07-31-11, 09:49 AM
My '09 would trump all that for luxury features and lack of major problems. Doesn't mean I love it more than my '04...

I agree, I kind of wish I would have upgraded like you when my 05 got bent. But I decided to upgrade my track car. If you ever head out to this this side of the country again you will have to run Miller Motorsports Park in Tooele Utah. 4.5 miles and 23 turns. Awesome track....

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a186/504ever/08%20427%20256/750V9978.jpg