: Stiff competition for the stock v coupe ?



newcadman
07-12-11, 04:54 PM
Looks like the Mercedes C63 AMG Coupe is poised to give the stock V coupe some serious competition based on Car & Driver's latest critique of the Benz coupe ( come September) it would seem.

Although it's rated at 451/ 481 HP/ 443 TQ, has a 7 speed trans, it apparently runs 0-60 in 3.8 sec. and does the 1/4 in 12.1 sec.

Curb weight is listed as 3900 lbs. and price (although estimated) would appear to be in the same $$ range as the V coupe.

Should make for some interesting comparisons and racing come Fall.

Torxila
07-12-11, 05:22 PM
Grant,
Yes nice piece indeed, need LOTTO 649 money to mod though. I'll stick with my V thanks. I had a 2000 CLK55 AMG, it was a pretty car but after 9 months and 100's of electrical gremlins I sold it and lost 15K, NEVER will own another AMG!

See you at the Woodward!

George

newcadman
07-12-11, 05:43 PM
Grant,

See you at the Woodward!

George




George, with regards to Woodward, do you think any of the guys would like to hit the Milan dragstrip on either the Friday or Saturday night since they 're going to be in town anyway ?

GM-4-LIFE
07-12-11, 05:46 PM
You couldn't give me a Mercedes for FREE! Piles of garbage! I went through the Mercedes route 3 times and that was 3 times too many. The problems I had with them were just ridiculous!

They can keep it!

serturbo
07-12-11, 06:28 PM
All the stories about problems with MB and BMW make me extremely happy I chose the V.

B T Williams
07-12-11, 07:30 PM
Car & Driver's estimated performance numbers (0-60 MPH in 3.8 seconds / quarter mile in 12.1 - 12.2 seconds) for the 2012 C63 Mercedes AMG Coupe are suspect, even under ideal weather and track conditions.

In a late 2008 add, Cadillac claimed that a 2009 CTS-V sedan would run 0-60 MPH in 3.9 seconds and the quarter mile in 12.0 seconds @ 119 MPH. CTS-V sedans and coupes have curb weights within 10 pounds of one another.

With 481 horsepower / 443 Lb-ft torque and a curb weight of 3900 pounds, the C63 AMG Coupe has 8.1 pounds per horsepower and 8.8 pounds per Lbs-Ft of torque.

Wit 556 horsepower / 551 Lb-ft torque and a curb weight of 4248 pounds (auto transmission), a CTS-V Coupe has 7.6 pounds per Horsepower and 7.7 pounds per Lbs-Ft of torque.

With those facts in mind, it is hard to believe that if tested on the same day, at the same time and on the same track that an C63 AMG Coupe would out run a CTS-V coupe from 0-60 MPH or in the quarter mile.

serturbo
07-12-11, 09:01 PM
The tranny plays a huge part in performance numbers. Take the GT-R as an example.

voltrons_head
07-12-11, 10:22 PM
That 7 speed will shift like lightning. My 7 sped Audi stronic shifted a ton faster than my V's auto. The paddles were great. The buttons on the v are suspect.

Downside is sometimes it would hang between 1st and 2nd at wot. Even after multiple tcu updates and having the shift points adapted it would still do it sometimes.

roarkb
07-12-11, 10:54 PM
Car & Driver's estimated performance numbers (0-60 MPH in 3.8 seconds / quarter mile in 12.1 - 12.2 seconds) for the 2012 C63 Mercedes AMG Coupe are suspect, even under ideal weather and track conditions.

In a late 2008 add, Cadillac claimed that a 2009 CTS-V sedan would run 0-60 MPH in 3.9 seconds and the quarter mile in 12.0 seconds @ 119 MPH. CTS-V sedans and coupes have curb weights within 10 pounds of one another.

With 481 horsepower / 443 Lb-ft torque and a curb weight of 3900 pounds, the C63 AMG Coupe has 8.1 pounds per horsepower and 8.8 pounds per Lbs-Ft of torque.

Wit 556 horsepower / 551 Lb-ft torque and a curb weight of 4248 pounds (auto transmission), a CTS-V Coupe has 7.6 pounds per Horsepower and 7.7 pounds per Lbs-Ft of torque.

With those facts in mind, it is hard to believe that if tested on the same day, at the same time and on the same track that an C63 AMG Coupe would out run a CTS-V coupe from 0-60 MPH or in the quarter mile.

I believe that the big advantage is launch control on the Mercedes. I hope Cadillac will add that option to the V. If so, I will likely add another one to my collection, especially if they add the new blue color.

I have an 2009 AMG C63(silver auto) and a 2009 CTS-V(Black 6spd). BOTH are WONDERFUL cars. However the V is just more refined and is a much better automobile in many ways. From the ride when cruising to the performance when driving fast. The electronics are better and make for a more comfortable experience as well.

I find the C63 sits in the garage because I like to drive the V more. The wife drives the C63 at times as the auto is easier for her to drive. She has an Escalade and loves it. She would like me to replace the C63 with another V with auto. I will likely do that.

Bill

Busabob
07-13-11, 12:32 AM
I was down to a CLS63 and the V but the maintenance nightmares I kept hearing about MBZ's scared me away. Still love the lines and stock exhaust note of the CLS.

zinner
07-13-11, 12:36 AM
Ah magazine racing, I can't imagine that Benz wouldn't have the CTS-V in the crosshairs and engineer it's offerings to just a bit better for bragging rights.

GM-4-LIFE
07-13-11, 01:28 AM
Until I see the numbers verified by a couple different magazine tests, I don't believe estimated numbers. After all, they are estimated, not fact.

Ross L
07-13-11, 09:04 AM
What was the estimated mph in the quarter( only number that really matters IMO). Et is all about the first 60 ft, traction. MPH tells the story of who *should* win the race ;)