i was jusr looking through the local classified newspaper website and thought i would just look for some alantes... heres what i found.

1992 CADILLAC ALLANTE CONVERTIBLE
$11,495, OFF WHITE, 67,157 mi, 8 cyl,ABS,air,am/fm cass,auto,CD,cruise,leath int,pb,pdl,p seats,ps,pw,tilt, Removable Roof, Driver Front Air Bag, THE CLASSIC CADILLAC, COULD BE YOURS, CALL TODAY, VIN:1G6VS3380NU125201, Stock No:J25201, This price includes America's best 1 year warr. Creative Finan.& Leasing avail. On line vehicle locator serv. Free deliv in tri-state area. Not all cars in Darien. Please call, e-mail or inst. mess. us first to seriously inquire 203-656-1443

1989 CADILLAC ALLANTE
$12,500, White, 116,356 mi, 2 dr,8 cyl,ABS,air,am/fm cass,auto,cruise,leath int,pb,pdl,p seats,ps,pw,tilt, In Great Shape!!, Drives Great!!, A Must See!!, Convertible!!, VIN:1G6VR3183KU102103, Stock No:G1810, Long Meadow Motor Cars, 5 Enfield St., Enfield, CT, (860)253-9587

1993 CADILLAC ALLANTE CONVERTIBLE
red, 44K mi, 2 dr, 8 cyl, alarm, auto, fully loaded, black convertible top with red removable hardtop, black leather interior, one owner, mint condition, $26,000. (203) 744-7412 (4X) ltdolly@msn.com. Danbury

these cars are still VERY expensive compated to most luxury cars from their time... do people still actually pay this much for them?

Maybe so, they ARE fairly rare, especially if they are in decent shape and NOT one of the UGLY-ASS colors. ;)

How does 92 qualify as classic?

How does 92 qualify as classic?

They didn't build too many of these cars ( comparativly speaking ) and some of them got torn up and died an early death. A nice Allante will hold it's value and is considered by many to be a "Classic" ( Particularly the later ones with the Northstar engine ) These are great cars but they have their idiosyncracies.

i was jusr looking through the local classified newspaper website and thought i would just look for some alantes... heres what i found.

1992 CADILLAC ALLANTE CONVERTIBLE
$11,495, OFF WHITE, 67,157 mi, 8 cyl,ABS,air,am/fm cass,auto,CD,cruise,leath int,pb,pdl,p seats,ps,pw,tilt, Removable Roof, Driver Front Air Bag, THE CLASSIC CADILLAC, COULD BE YOURS, CALL TODAY, VIN:1G6VS3380NU125201, Stock No:J25201, This price includes America's best 1 year warr. Creative Finan.& Leasing avail. On line vehicle locator serv. Free deliv in tri-state area. Not all cars in Darien. Please call, e-mail or inst. mess. us first to seriously inquire 203-656-1443

1989 CADILLAC ALLANTE
$12,500, White, 116,356 mi, 2 dr,8 cyl,ABS,air,am/fm cass,auto,cruise,leath int,pb,pdl,p seats,ps,pw,tilt, In Great Shape!!, Drives Great!!, A Must See!!, Convertible!!, VIN:1G6VR3183KU102103, Stock No:G1810, Long Meadow Motor Cars, 5 Enfield St., Enfield, CT, (860)253-9587

1993 CADILLAC ALLANTE CONVERTIBLE
red, 44K mi, 2 dr, 8 cyl, alarm, auto, fully loaded, black convertible top with red removable hardtop, black leather interior, one owner, mint condition, $26,000. (203) 744-7412 (4X) ltdolly@msn.com. Danbury

these cars are still VERY expensive compated to most luxury cars from their time... do people still actually pay this much for them?


Dan,
I think the prices that you cited in the ads are substantially higher than the market. By the descriptions, these cars are nothing exceptional; they are just "used cars". Ebay may be somewhat more representative of the prices that Allantes are actually changing hands for (cash.. no trades, etc.). There are always 200-300 Allantes for sale at any time thru all venues so it is hardly a seller's market.
Brian Bray

Dan,
I think the prices that you cited in the ads are substantially higher than the market. By the descriptions, these cars are nothing exceptional; they are just "used cars". Ebay may be somewhat more representative of the prices that Allantes are actually changing hands for (cash.. no trades, etc.). There are always 200-300 Allantes for sale at any time thru all venues so it is hardly a seller's market.
Brian Bray
Yeah, I hope no one thinks this is some sort of collectors item. The last time this sort of thing happened was with the '76 convert Eldos. People somehow got into their heads that those Eldos were collectors items because Cadillac prematurely announced that they were no longer going to build ragtops anymore. The prices skyrocketed for them but then not too long after the bottom fell out. I doubt that any modern Cadillac will ever become a true collector's item.

I think as time goes on that the Allante will continue to be a collector car. Many of the owners are almost cult like in their love for the Allante. If you don't think so, just spend some time on the Allantenet.us site any brouse the archives. I love my 1993 Triple Black Allante without the digital dash. I bought it because I loved the lines and the power of the Cadillac V-8. I prefer the Analog dash, but most Allantes had the digital dash.

I wish that the asking price for the ad were represenative of the market, but that is not the case. If I thought for a minute that I could get $26,000 for mine, write me a check. I don't want to sell mine at all, but for that kind of cabbage I could get two more "93's" and call the buyer back to see if his brother in law wanted one and put the other in my garage. I think the Cadillac Convertable is back with the XLR, and when they start to drop in price like the Allante did, I will think of getting one. Until then I will patiently wait and admire them and the CTSv from the seat of my soon to be Classic Allante.

As for the 1976 Eldorado's, I would love one and I think that they might be collectors. They are fine looking cars, but most are in the boneyard and very few left on the road in really good condition. I would love to have a white one with red leather interior, but I have too many toys as it is.

Yeah, I hope no one thinks this is some sort of collectors item. The last time this sort of thing happened was with the '76 convert Eldos. People somehow got into their heads that those Eldos were collectors items because Cadillac prematurely announced that they were no longer going to build ragtops anymore. The prices skyrocketed for them but then not too long after the bottom fell out. I doubt that any modern Cadillac will ever become a true collector's item.


On the other hand, most luxury 2 seat convertibles DO become collectibles eventually and increase in value. And as an Allante owner, I certainly hope that happens and statistics are on my side. Unfortunately, that is not right now, so I am forced to just enjoy my car.
Woe is me..somebody' got to do it!

Brian Bray

As for the 1976 Eldorado's, I would love one and I think that they might be collectors. They are fine looking cars, but most are in the boneyard and very few left on the road in really good condition. I would love to have a white one with red leather interior, but I have too many toys as it is.

My brother and I sold our dad's '76 Eldo Barritz Convert for $3k about 6 mos ago. It had sat in his garage since 1996 but unbelievibly, it started up when we put a new battery and some gas in it. It was white w/white top and white leather interior. Overall it was in very good condition as it had less than 55,000 original miles on it. For the last 10 years he used it he'd enter it every year in the local Cadillac club car show and win a prize.

It did have some damage in one front corner from a minor accident he had on the last day we let him drive it, but all parts replaceable.

The guy who bought it says he's put a few grand into it to bring it back to better than good condition and reliable operation. I hate to think what kinda mileage it gets.

If I remember correctly that car had a 472ci. engine; biggest Cad V-8 ever made, right?

..rickko..

If I remember correctly that car had a 472ci. engine; biggest Cad V-8 ever made, right?

..rickko..

Actually the biggest one is the 500V8 which was in that '76. They are the same dimensions on the outside.

Well I must have struck a bit of a nerve with the Allante owners. The fact though is if you check resale values on the Allante's, such as KBB.com, Nadaguides.com, Edmiunds.com, etc., they are still valued at a fraction of their original MSRP. Compare it to the car it was supposedly targeting, the Mercedes Benz SL roadster, (the MSRP was about the same as the Allante) the MB's resale values are holding up much better that the Allante's. Also MB still produces an SL roadster to this day. Cadillac discontinued the Allante due to disappointing sales. It had many quality issues that didn't help either. Basically it was the consumer that killed the Allante. If Cadillac would have built it to the same standards that MB did their SL, the Allante would truly be a collectors item.
A true collectors item is a car that is in high demand and is worth more than what it originally sold for.

Well I must have struck a bit of a nerve with the Allante owners. The fact though is if you check resale values on the Allante's, such as KBB.com, Nadaguides.com, Edmiunds.com, etc., they are still valued at a fraction of their original MSRP. ...

You probably did with some.

I own one but don't think its a collector's item or a "classic"; its just one hell'va car. I think most of the ones running today have had all the bugs worked out of them so for they price they are a real buy IMO. Plus you've got to admit, they are are kinda unique now that they've been out of production for so long. In fact, there aren't too many other examples you can give where you can buy a once priced $60k+ used auto today for a song, and still be able to enjoy the luxury, design and power that someone else originally paid heavily to enjoy as well.

Like any vehicle that gets old, if you keep it running and looking meticulously beautiful, it'll bring you and the next owner great pleasure and its depreciation won't be much.

I didn't buy mine new, infact only got it earlier this year so i suspect when the time comes to move it on to someone else it won't be priced much less than when I bought it. It certainly won't depreciate as much as a new car would had I bought a new car for the same price I paid for the Allante. :)

In fact that's one of the reasons I RARELY ever buy new cars. I also hate taking the depreciation loss and don't like spending half of my ownership time debugging its flaws through constant trips to the dealership for warranty repairs. Let the first buyer who has the biggest investment deal with all that. By the time he has, he'll be tired of it, then I'll snag it. :)

..rickko..

It's always great to see someone got a good deal on a car they like. I've recently become very disillusioned about the newer Cadillac's and GM's in general (anything less than 25 years old). Maybe I've been focusing too much on the negative things I've been reading in the various forums and possibly, I haven't paid too much attention to the positive (or have not found enough). It could be that there are always far more people who will complain about various things than those who will praise what they own based on the premise, "that's the way it should be". So it may end up seeming that there far more unhappy owners than happy owners, because it's just the majority is just keeping quiet. Maybe.
The thing is that I have seen first hand all the many problems people have had with GM cars and with the "people" (con artists IMO) who sell and service them, myself and many others I personally know included. I have had far more disappointing experiences with the GM con artists than I have had satisfying ones.
Yes, I agree with buying a car used, the bugs are worked out and they have depreciated about as much as they can.
My last new GM was a '99 and I will not buy another new GM or any other American car until I see some positive changes first hand.
0.0% currently equals my consumer confidence in GM.

Well I must have struck a bit of a nerve with the Allante owners. The fact though is if you check resale values on the Allante's, such as KBB.com, Nadaguides.com, Edmiunds.com, etc., they are still valued at a fraction of their original MSRP. Compare it to the car it was supposedly targeting, the Mercedes Benz SL roadster, (the MSRP was about the same as the Allante) the MB's resale values are holding up much better that the Allante's. Also MB still produces an SL roadster to this day. Cadillac discontinued the Allante due to disappointing sales. It had many quality issues that didn't help either. Basically it was the consumer that killed the Allante. If Cadillac would have built it to the same standards that MB did their SL, the Allante would truly be a collectors item.
A true collectors item is a car that is in high demand and is worth more than what it originally sold for.

Could you post those figures? A 1990 Allante is worth roughly half of a 1990 SL. The 1990 Allante was around $52k without the hardtop, $58k with. What was a 1990 SL going for? (The V8 version, not the V6). I suspect that the Allante won't match the MB for % of MSRP retained, but it will have a pretty respectable showing.

A '93 Allante with 30,000 on the clock and the original hardtop just went for $24,000 on eBay. Not too shabby.

Not to Shabby I agree!

For a low mileage hopefully soon to be classic with a hard top, I think that was a fair price. Other would agree and some would disagree. My wife wants a Benz convertable, and they seem to hold their values to the point that a low mileage late 70's 450SL brings much more than an Allante. What would I rather have? An Allante, but if Momma ain't happy nobodys happy and if Daddy ain't happy nobody cares. She will get her Benz one day, but I wonder how long she will be happy with it. My Allante will stay in the garage for as long as I can keep it shiney and running or XLR's depriciate to the point that I can afford one.

I fell in love with the Allante when I first saw them. It only took me 10 years to finally justify buying one that was low mileage(40,000) and in great shape. I now have about 58,000 miles on the clock and I have only had it for three years. Its not a car I drive everyday, and Yes it is a garage Queen. When I do drive it I truely love the time behind the wheel. My wife will drive her Benz everyday if and when we get it, but I think that her love for the car will fade after she spends some time behind the wheel. I may be wrong, and I may growe to like the Benz as well, but the Allante is still my favorite rag top and that will not fade.

Yea, I still like mine. A lot of people don't know what it is and always ask. It's nice to have something and not see yourself coming in the opposite direction.

Not to Shabby I agree!

For a low mileage hopefully soon to be classic with a hard top, I think that was a fair price. Other would agree and some would disagree. My wife wants a Benz convertable, and they seem to hold their values to the point that a low mileage late 70's 450SL brings much more than an Allante. What would I rather have? An Allante, but if Momma ain't happy nobodys happy and if Daddy ain't happy nobody cares. She will get her Benz one day, but I wonder how long she will be happy with it. My Allante will stay in the garage for as long as I can keep it shiney and running or XLR's depriciate to the point that I can afford one.

I fell in love with the Allante when I first saw them. It only took me 10 years to finally justify buying one that was low mileage(40,000) and in great shape. I now have about 58,000 miles on the clock and I have only had it for three years. Its not a car I drive everyday, and Yes it is a garage Queen. When I do drive it I truely love the time behind the wheel. My wife will drive her Benz everyday if and when we get it, but I think that her love for the car will fade after she spends some time behind the wheel. I may be wrong, and I may growe to like the Benz as well, but the Allante is still my favorite rag top and that will not fade.
I have owned several (12) Mercedes SLs all years. I currently own a '73 450SL with about 80,000 miles (I bought it with 55,000 about 5 years ago). Here are some Mercedes SL suggestions that you may use as a quiet guide while looking for an SL fir your wife: If simpler is better for YOU, consider an earlier car; they are relatively difficult to locate, but no more expensive (sometimes less).

The '73s have the least pollution stuff and they kept hanging on pollution stuff up through the '70's. Avoid the '75s and 76's as they were the worst. In the early '80's they went to a smaller engine and the cars became a 380SL. Finally, the late '80s became the 560SL which is a lovely, powerful car but much more complex.

Up through the mid-80's, the cars had a manual top (that may be a problem for your wife, but it is foolproof and works easier than an Allante unit!). All of the cars through 1989 look the same EXCEPT the '73s appear different as the bumpers are closer to the body; they are the "small bumper" cars.

Later cars had an automatic A/C which is a very complicated system; whereas the earlier cars had a straightforward manual A/C system. The Mercedes A/C (either manual or automatic) is not nearly as good as a GM unit.

The interior of the later cars have more wood, but you can add the wood dash kit (just like an Allante). Parts are equally available for both.

Brian Bray

I love the NS Allante and have had the honor of owning two over the years, both 93's, the last I sold in 2000. Other than the poor weight distribution due the the ultra heavy nose and the extremely lose body integrity, the other problem I had was resale. I figured that a NS Allante was definatly a rare car, but the resale of them compared to new is just as bad, if not worse than any other cadillac.

Being around cars I have determined that Cadillac resale is poor because of the owners. Unfortunalty most of them have lots of money and buy a new Cadillac every couple years. When they go in to the dealer, they are so willing to "give" the car away on trade, thus dropping the value of everyone else that owns the same model. This also makes for a hell of a great job as a salesman at a used Cadillac delership... I mean the dealer can make 10-12G's on one car just from "stealing" them from the willing trade ins and can make for a hell of a paycheck for a car salesman. A friend made well over 100K for many years doing just this at a dealer. Mercedes are right on this line too. Cant think of anywhere else you can lose as much money than on a new mercedes.. Not even the casino!

Compare Cadillac resale to a chevy truck resale. The average chevy truck owner does not have the funds the new cadillac buyer and trader has. When the chevy truck owner goes to the dealer, he is usually insulted on the trade offer and does not let his truck go, He ends up keeping it for years and driving the wheels off of it, thus making nice used chevy trucks kind of rare and is the answer for their great resale value. Supply and demand. Unfortunatly I dont think its ever going to change for cadillac due to the clientel, but it sure makes for great used cars for cheap!


Sold this great car below in 00. Had the basic NS mods along with suspension and my farorive wheels to put on FWD cads. I regret selling it, but had to do it while it was still worth something. Got mid 30's for it at the time and thought I was giving it away. Glad I sold it whne I did. Had 22,000 on it. Today these are great values as you can get these with modest miles in the high teens. Just put some sub frame connectors on them as they are sloppy. I have debated on finding another, but the STS is such a better balanced car, I kind of am partial to its feel over having no roof. I always keep my eyes open though.

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Sold this great car below in 00. Had the basic NS mods along with suspension and my farorive wheels to put on FWD cads. I regret selling it, but had to do it while it was still worth something. Got mid 30's for it at the time and thought I was giving it away. Glad I sold it whne I did. Had 22,000 on it. Today these are great values as you can get these with modest miles in the high teens. Just put some sub frame connectors on them as they are sloppy. I have debated on finding another, but the STS is such a better balanced car, I kind of am partial to its feel over having no roof. I always keep my eyes open though.


I like the wheels. What brand are they?

What did you mean regarding subframe connectors? Did you put them on yours?

When I couldn't find the exact replacement subframe mounts (the rubber donuts) from GM, I considered going to aluminum or plastic replacements. Instead, I opted for a mix of other other year Allante and some Eldo pieces. Still thinking about going with solid mounts though in the future.

THe wheels are TSW Hockinheiem R, 17x8, built for FWD car. Will work on GP, STS, Allante, Deville, etc. I have had them on 3 different cadillacs and will hel;p turn your slop-barge into a decent driving car. I use the factory impala SS tire, 255/50 17's on the car. No lowering, no mods, just put them on. Tire height is the same as stock so there is no spedo issue and no "ricer gap" from a lower tire.

Subframe connectors are going to be something that you are going to have to make. I recommend welding a bar down the sides of the unibody from the back of the front wheel, to fron of the rear. This will stiffen up the body structure of the allante quite a bit. The allante really is a flimsy car, this gaining its dislike with many knowledgable car enthisiasts and critics. The subrframe connectors will put is about 70% what an SL body structure is.. Stock its "0%" compared to the SL structure in my book. Who is going to do this???? If you are in dallas, I know a great guy, if your are elsewhere, just find a hot rod shop dealing with mustang verts... You basically want to do the same thing to those as the allante as far as subframes.

I like the wheels. What brand are they?

What did you mean regarding subframe connectors? Did you put them on yours?

When I couldn't find the exact replacement subframe mounts (the rubber donuts) from GM, I considered going to aluminum or plastic replacements. Instead, I opted for a mix of other other year Allante and some Eldo pieces. Still thinking about going with solid mounts though in the future.

Ultra Slow,

You have gotten the litle wheels in my head spinning. Tell us more about how to tune up the Allante. I am interested in the mods you speak of. I am not a purist, and like some mild to wild mods to consider for mine. I would love to get my Northstar Allante into the 13 second range that you spoke of with your Seville.

Don't make me beg.

I also have a Cadillac 425 torn down and waiting to be freshend up with some key new parts. Still undecided on exactly what since I settled for the 425 instead of the 500. It was cheap and I got the TH 400 tranny for what some 76cc heads might have cost. Perhaps you have some suggestions there as well.

Dont think I can help you on the 13 sec on the allante without doing some heavy changes, even though its almost the same thing as the STS. The early N*, at least mine my allante and other cars, did not run as hard as the newer ones. I think the main reason it the intake manafold change to the "plastic fantastic"... It seems to flow better. My STS, stock to stock, would flat kill my 93 allante, and I know that does not make a lot of since but thats it what I have found on two 93 allantes and some early STS's. Now you can make yours a bit faster of course by the very basics, good air intake, loose the screen, and a good high flowing exhaust. There once was a "chip" that I believe was made by Jones, or JET, that was for the 93 N*. Never had one myself but it was supposed to help a good bit, probably on the lines of what I have done to my 97 and if you are interested in performance, I would definatly seek this out too.

As far as the BB Cad, It depends on the application of course. It takes a whole lot of everything to get good HP out of those engines, but takes nothing to get the torque. I went right down the middle on my 500 at the suggestions of the builder, MTS, Al Betker. The motor is about 11:1 compression, big cam, big valves, big intake, etc all wraped up in a somewhat stock look under the hood with all accessories, AC to cruse control and even a dummied up air pump. Its a bit much for a daily driver, but is really more drivable than a new corvette in my opinion. A chevy motor with all this going that went into the cad would be about 600HP... The cad is more like 500 but with 600+ on torque and a whole lot more reliable. It does not take a bunch of gears, just good heavy parts that would be inherant to a BB cad of 77-81. Putting this in a 4100 would be a total reconfig of the entire light duty drive line of course.

If you have a nice cad and want it to move, go this route. I am putting together a page for my 80 model that will show you how to make a high 12 car out of a brougham, make it handle, get almost as good of economy as original, be 100% reliable without the flaws of most hot rods, and not look like some cheese ball hot rod to boot, at least in my opinion. I simply have never had more fun in any car in my life as my 80 model brougham... I have owned over 100, raced since before the state would allow me to get a drivers license, 14 years old, I currently own cars that will go over 200MPH and are worth 20 times what this old cadillac is, but the big block cadillac will simply blow the minds of everyone who tries to out accelerate you, then gets frustrated and races you just to show their "performace car" aint going to take it from that old mans car barge... I mean you got to see the looks on the faces of these guys in everything from Turbo Porsches to Harley's and my farorite targets these days, S&S motored choppers (I dont get these things?), not to mention the fun with ricers, but thats just picking on the weak..... Its beyond funny when you race and beat by a good margin these "fast" vehicles that have more ego in the driver seat than motor under the hood.

Its a rare occasion to actually lose a race in the cad, but it took a CL 600 to do it along with some all out modded very fast street cars, some owned by car buddies... but even in those rare cases the loss was not by much.. I am sure these defeted guys are not running home and telling their friends what happend, but to me, just knowing what is going on in their heads and questioning thier purchase of a 100K+ car in many cases that loses to or barely pulls a car that looks like the same old POS that "old uncle joe" has had sitting under his willow tree for 20 years, waiting to be sold for pennies as fast as technically possible by an unappreciative family when that unfortunate day that "unlcle joe" dies... This to me is just flat funny. Nice old cadillacs are better cars tham most of these people will ever own but these cars have absolutly no respect on the road, and definatly have no respect from the younger generation. Kicking their tails with them is simply a joy. Life is great!

Ultra Slow,

You have gotten the litle wheels in my head spinning. Tell us more about how to tune up the Allante. I am interested in the mods you speak of. I am not a purist, and like some mild to wild mods to consider for mine. I would love to get my Northstar Allante into the 13 second range that you spoke of with your Seville.

Don't make me beg.

I also have a Cadillac 425 torn down and waiting to be freshend up with some key new parts. Still undecided on exactly what since I settled for the 425 instead of the 500. It was cheap and I got the TH 400 tranny for what some 76cc heads might have cost. Perhaps you have some suggestions there as well.

Thanks for the info Ultra Slow!

I am interested in the sub frame connectors that you spoke of. Did you do this to your Allante before you sold her? If you did and have any pictures, I would love to see them.

To be quite honest, I don't want to fix anything that isn't broken, but if there is a reason to get into the North* in the near future, I would like to open ip the exhaust ports and deck the heads just a bit. I did some exhaust work on mine and am pleased with the results, but not 100% happy since there isn't egnough room to run true dual exhaust. If you have any suggestions, please feel free to let us know. I'm always looking for a new tangent to head off into to help the performance of my Caddy.

Your right about Life is Great. Everyday I wake up I'm just proud to be here and thank my lucky stars that I have what do.

Hi Again,

I hear you on the not fix anything before its broke. I take this approach with the wifes car and my driver 96... It is definatly the best.

As far as the sub-frame, I consider it a "must" on any allante even if you never do anything else to the car. I dont have any pictures from the bottom, but there really is not much to it. Any good welder at a place like a muffler or frame shop should be able to make you some for the car with ease if you discribe what you want. I just took the idea from some of those early camaro/firebird convertible conversions I looked at, and had my muffler guy that does all my exhausts, bolt in 4 locations and tack weld the length of the car, some angle iron pieces along the unibody sides. The iron pieces were just cut to fit by him and probably only weighed about 30-40LBS total. It is a major inprovment and I as I have mentioned before, the allante really is a very loose body car. In fact I cant even really tolerate driving any of these cars without the sub frames after feeling the difference. These should even help the life of the car because alot of the squeeks/rattles came out of my pearl 93 when I did this and when you would go up an incline, the entire allante would flex and twist like a pretzel... This is pretty much eliminated. I could jack up mine by one of the corners with two wheels off the ground and the doors would open and shut as it the car was sitting on the ground... Try this on yours.. You will find that the body lines may even hit each other and the doors probably will not open.

If I ever get another allante, I wont even wash it before it goes in for frame connectors. I might even do an "x" brace on the next one as ther is no drive shaft to worry about and it would be very easy too.

Do this to you car and I think you will find a new found love for it. Just need to add about 250LBS in the trunk to balance out the poor weight distribution and the car would be about right!

Thanks for the info Ultra Slow!

I am interested in the sub frame connectors that you spoke of. Did you do this to your Allante before you sold her? If you did and have any pictures, I would love to see them.

To be quite honest, I don't want to fix anything that isn't broken, but if there is a reason to get into the North* in the near future, I would like to open ip the exhaust ports and deck the heads just a bit. I did some exhaust work on mine and am pleased with the results, but not 100% happy since there isn't egnough room to run true dual exhaust. If you have any suggestions, please feel free to let us know. I'm always looking for a new tangent to head off into to help the performance of my Caddy.

Your right about Life is Great. Everyday I wake up I'm just proud to be here and thank my lucky stars that I have what do.

Ultra Slow, could I get that info from you on where to get this done in Dallas? Tried sending you an email using the address on your website, but wasn't sure if it is getting through.

You can email direct to cory@creamer.com, if you like.

Also, what should one expect to pay for this?

Thanks,
Cory

Dont think I got it.. Sorry... Sub frames can be done almost at any muffler/welding shop, but call Joes Muffler in Addison if you are in the area. It will probably be about 350-400 if I remember right.

Ultra Slow, could I get that info from you on where to get this done in Dallas? Tried sending you an email using the address on your website, but wasn't sure if it is getting through.

You can email direct to cory@creamer.com, if you like.

Also, what should one expect to pay for this?

Thanks,
Cory

My brother and I sold our dad's '76 Eldo Barritz Convert for $3k about 6 mos ago. It had sat in his garage since 1996 but unbelievibly, it started up when we put a new battery and some gas in it. It was white w/white top and white leather interior. Overall it was in very good condition as it had less than 55,000 original miles on it. For the last 10 years he used it he'd enter it every year in the local Cadillac club car show and win a prize.

It did have some damage in one front corner from a minor accident he had on the last day we let him drive it, but all parts replaceable.

The guy who bought it says he's put a few grand into it to bring it back to better than good condition and reliable operation. I hate to think what kinda mileage it gets.

If I remember correctly that car had a 472ci. engine; biggest Cad V-8 ever made, right?

The big engines topped out at 500ci.

..rickko..

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