: Drove a Fleetwood today...



carguy16
10-16-04, 06:11 PM
OK, I went down to the dealership today, I was so happy to see when I pulled in that big Blue 93 Cadillac Fleetwood! Get out and walk up to it and start looking at it. The interior is georgious, blackish/blue leather interior, NO TEARS, no nothing on the seats, all those lumbar support buttons too! I was impressed. Opened the glove box, no manuals inside, found the pop trunk button and traction control button. Looked under the hood, when I opened the hood water came dripping down, I discovered rust/corrosion around radiator cover(some people buy those 'gold' covers), over all looked pretty good. The tires must have been new, and the wheels polished nicely I could see myself in the reflection.

So, the salesman goes to crank the car, battery's dead so he comes over with a charger, fires up with a little hesitation, lets it run for about 5 minutes as I look over everything, and he wants to get a little charge in the battery, which was tiny as hell and wasnt the right size, plus corrosion existed where the battery was sitting. Ok, secondly here he shuts it down, we start talking price, no manuals, no maintanence, needs detail work, cars old for parts, blah blah. The boss is at home, and wont be coming in for several hours so only he can make a deal. I was trying to offer $3,500.00 for a reasonable price, no can do! He said the best he could do was about $4,700.00 out the door, I said no thanks. My parents are on the other side of the lot, I go over there and talk it over with them. My dad is praising the car. So, I talk to my parents about it, and there is a small change of heart. So, I go to the salesman and say "$4,400.00 or $4,500.00 is the best I can do." He goes out and calls his boss, who just took pain pills for a bad back. He also pulls a Car Fax per my request, it had a small minor accident on the right side of the car in 1998, the car is a one owner Florida vehicle. He comes out, and says to take the car for a test drive, I ask him "What about the fuel?" because the gauge is flashing LOW, this was seen previously when I was lookin in the car. He already had $5.00 bucks in his hand and handed it to me, told me to get gas on the corner. Now, the car doesnt start when he goes to start it, and the charger doesnt help either. So, he comes back with a new battery and says "Im not a mechanic." So, he gets the old battery off after screwing with it a couple minutes, then drops the new battery in place. Hes hookin the new battery up and apparently a spark happened, and there was a black tip on his wrench, dont know if he got shocked or spooked, but there was a spark. The car starts without and hesitation at all. I get in and adjust to seat, easy, lumbar support works great. Ok, I start adjusting the mirrors, there is such a WIDE field of view for the passenger side mirrow, while I can see squat out of the driver side mirror. I put my seat belt on, then my dad goes to put his on and realize his seat belt is missing. He only has the shoulder part, as the lap part of the belt is cut away, my mom is sitting in the back seat.

I put it in reverse and start backin her out, the salesman doesnt come with us. I go to the gas station and fill up, the fuel filler is on the back of the car, I had a little trouble removing it, there was also some corrosion on the flap that conceals the pump, I was also turning the bracket the wrong way, I finally turned it the right way and got it off. I put $4.98 cents in the tank, and pay, get in the car, about 2-3 dot's appear on the fuel gauge. Now, the test drive begins, I only got up to 10-20 MPH from the dealer to the gas station on the corner.

First, the steering, wow, it turns like a knife through hot butter, it takes NO effort at all, wheel cut is outragious, which is good, but I guess I did alot of over steering, I was making a right turn and I had to swing the wheel to the left so I wouldnt run over the curb. Now, the gas pedal felt very heavy, I got it up to 55 MPH, I didnt even realize I was going that fast. I stomped the gas pedal, the engine was so quiet, and I felt no G-forces at all, I couldnt describe it. Then again the A/C was on full blast, the fan at least so it may have muffled some engine noise. I drive it around a bit, it will take some getting used to, but steering is TIGHT, you turn the wheel a hair, the car will turn with it! It felt very wide, obviously being 6.5 feet wide, I was trying to stay in my lane, I did fine.

Ok, that went great!!! This story just keeps getting better. I drive it probably 2-4 miles max. and return to the dealership, a Joe smoe operation. I park the car, and I like it, were ready to sign the papers. But, when we get out the compressor I assume, it sounded like it was coming from under neath the car, kept coming on, with the keys out of the ignition and the engine off, no one in the car either. So, the salesman says its just the load leveling suspension. But, the compressor keeps kicking on and off, so my dad looks under the car, I looked under the car for the compressor and didnt see anything. My dad did, my dad noticed TONS of grease on the under carriage of the car heading back to the rear of the car, he told me to look at it. He said thats not a good sign, and we should walk away from it. He says it could be from the engine or some seal, but thats TOO MUCH grease, trust me, it was alot of grease, I saw it too. I didnt want to walk away, I wanted to take the car and drive home with it. I also saw a small part where it was obviously cut/repaired too, which was fine with me. But, as my dad said, all that grease had to be coming from some where, and it could catch fire and take the whole car in flames. So, I had to walk away from the car, it was a nice car, Brougham package and all.

My dad looked at a 1998 Windstar, 3.0 ltr V6, ok. Then he looked at a 95 Windstar, I told him not to look at it. But, he did anyways. It had 126,000 miles, the muffler was sagging/scraping the ground, the power windows didnt work. The 95 Windstar is the worst year, not only that but the front tires wernt good, the speedometer was jumping everywhere, and it was a some what of a shaker(vibrator) up front. Thank God we walked away from that 95 Windstar as well, the 98 Windstar was missing a middle seat, but only had 85k miles on it, so what can I say???

Im typing here, still without a car. So, now I dont have to worry about that car. I had $4,000.00 or $4,500.00 in this case, plus $175.00 in my wallet, and some paychecks coming in, so I can save longer. I did find another 93 with 85k miles for $4,995.00, Anniversary Edition Fleetwood. We will see how it goes, but now I have a feel for the car, and I like it. I could actually see the ENTIRE hood of the car, no slopes or anything, I liked the Emblem on the front, just like finding a target and pointing the car at it.

But I was truly suprised I felt no G-Forces, and how quiet the engine was. The salesman was revving it up and my dad was complimenting to me the fact that the engine didnt move or shake, it stood firmly.

But, the way I see it, all that grease could have caught fire and I'd be left with no car, so its a good thing that I walked away.

Adam
10-16-04, 06:29 PM
wow, what a let down. 4700.00, i would have asked him about it being 3995 or whatever it was on the internet. tell him that is false advertisement. i guarantee you i could have got that thing for 2,000 easily. was it grease or oil? grease you really dont have to worry about oil you do. air compressor, bring that up, "hey, that air compressor is bad i can tell, have to replace it, that will cost me a lot." "leaking oil, theres something ill have to get fixed." "all that corrosion and the fact it has been wrecked, come on 4,700 you have got to be kidding." "your web site says 3995 and youre telling me that the best you can do is 4,700." "hmmm, fixing the air compressor will cost anywhere between 500 and a thousand, leaking oil, ill probably have to get the engine rebuilt because that is recommeded for these engines. boy that will be expensive. i tell you what 2,000 is about all i can the car isnt even really worth that. if not oh well i have others Fleetwoods lined up cheaper than what you are asking and ill look at them. they will work with you then cause they are losing commission. well i cant say that for sure sometimes theyll say well i guess you should go with those then. really depends on the sales man. sorry you didnt get it but that just means there is an even better cheaper one with your name on it. Good luck!

carguy16
10-16-04, 06:47 PM
Fleetwoodlow, that was an OUT THE DOOR offer, for $4,400.00 or $4,500.00, initially he wanted $4,700.00 out the door but I balked at that, this was before the test drive.

Is that normal though, having the compressor come on while the engine is off, and keys out of the ignition??? I dont think it needs to be load leveled while its parked, that may be whats killing the battery. But, a great car over all.

I never skidded the tires once, the car felt so heavy, it wasnt like anything I had expected. But, I am disapointed I didnt take it home.

ShadowLvr400
10-16-04, 06:49 PM
Where ya from man? Because honestly, if you're going to look at Fleetwoods, look at the FL cars. Popular ride here. Other option is hit funeral homes. They run the big Fleetwoods.

Adam
10-16-04, 06:59 PM
i think he lives in FL if im not mistaken. i must have missed out the door. still coulda got it for 2000. i am good at dealing with salesmen, friends dad used to be one and he taught me everything about how to get a good deal on a car after he was fired for a BS reason. yeah, the compressor will run if the car is off and the key out. it was just in a spot where it was leveling itself out. repetedly though something was wrong. my Lincoln did this in the days before it went out. both my Continental and my Town Car! i only had the Town Car for a week and sold it to a guy in Johnson City. transmission was going bad, air ride was going bad, and the check engine light kept kicking on. the only thing nice about it was it had 20 inch spinners. sold it for 1500.

Shadow: ive tried to buy some off of funeral homes but none of them will sell theirs (well up here anyway). tried and tried and tried. there is a place up in Kentucky that sells new and used funeral home vehicles. cheap too but i cant remember where in Kentucky it is, western part i think. i talked to a guy at a funeral home when i was trying to buy one from them and he told me about it. he said it was all Cadillacs as far as the eye could see.

AElayyat
10-16-04, 07:24 PM
Hey carguy, you have to take your time when looking for a car, but $4500-$4700 is too much to pay for that 93 with those issues. To be honest with you, look at a 94-96 Fleetwood Brougham, they sport the LT1. If it means to hold off and save a little more cash then do it, just remember be patient. Oh yeah don't let any sales man dick you around with their little "test drive the car first" games. Good luck finding a Caddy.

barge master
10-16-04, 07:39 PM
Good for you using your head CG. Like 93 said, 2000 is a lot more in the realm of reason for a car with that much to fix. Stick to your guns and you'll find a deal you can feel proud of. At least you got a free opportunity to try one out and you liked it. A Windstar, HA HA, your ol' man got some sense of humor huh?

89_Brougham
10-16-04, 09:47 PM
I paid 4,400 for my '89 d'Elegance but somtimes it seems that that is a popular body style or one that is wanted and sometimes will bring a premium. Yes, I paid high but it is worth it to me, nothing had to be done and is in my garage now till after winter, then it will be on the road. I have a 02 Durango and honestly cant wait to get that caddy on the road and turn in my lease on the 02! :histeric:

carguy16
10-16-04, 11:44 PM
Shadow, I live in the Tampa, FL area. I had to drive to Pinellas Park, FL to look at the car, on

6801 Park. Blvd
Pinellas Park, FL
33781.

The place is called Wholesale Superstore, "$6950.00 or Less!" The salesman told me he doesnt get paid commission, I think its a good thing I didnt pay for the car, although I would love to have it in my driveway. Although I dont want to admit it, there were things wrong with the car.

The air compressor came on every 10-20 seconds, no one touched the car, no keys in the ignition, so apparently it is going out. The battery was dinky as hell, wasnt the right size. There was corrosion on the license plate cover that conceals the fuel fill, corrosion on the metal casing where the battery sits, corrossion on the hood of the car where the "Radiador cover" is(the thing on the hood, some are retrofitted with gold covers). I did hear air hissing a couple times. Besides which, there were no manuals in the car at all, so If I were to pull the fuse I wouldnt know which one it was to stop the compressor.

1.) Bad Compressor for suspension
2.) EXCESSIVE ammounts of grease/oil on the underbody of the car.
3.) NO front passenger seatbelt, there was only the shoulder part, NO lap belt, doesnt do you any good in an accident.

Other then that, the car was mint guys, I dont know what to tell you. The leather was perfect, rode nice. I would have to do a little practice to get used to it, I was scared to death pulling into traffic, it is on a busy multilane highway coming out of a driveway where a sidewalk/curb is, I oversteered and ALMOST hit the curb, thankfully I didnt, the steering wheel turns so fast, so is response time, which was great. I really wouldnt mind if it has the 5.7 ltr or LT1, I dont know If I will notice much difference. I floored it on one occasion, the car was so QUIET, and I felt NO G-FORCES at all, it was a great car, frankly I dont care about acceleration due to the way it drives. The brakes worked fine as well, I didnt test the ABS out, or the traction control. Although, driving the car it felt so heavy I didnt think I'd be able to do any tire spinning, unless something mechanically was wrong and I was losing power?

All I can say right now, fooooooooooooooooook the Escort, Im going Fleetwood. The car may be long, but the wheel cut is nice.

So, anyone living in the Central Florida/Tampa area, if you find a 1993 or newer Cadillac Fleetwood, for a good price of $3500.00 - $4,500.00 out the door, drop me a line on these boards. I have found another 1993 Fleetwood Anniversary edition for $4950.00 with 85,000 miles on the clock, but I will how ever have to save up a little money for it. I loved the stock rims on it, they were polished, the car was amazing.

I was very dis-appointed not to get it. I know Sal is sellin his Fleetwood for $8,000.00, but thats to long to save up.

I will say the Fleetwood is the best car I have ever driven/ridden in. How much does an air compressor for the suspension run???

RBraczyk
10-16-04, 11:51 PM
www.car-part.com or ebay.com

DopeStar 156
10-17-04, 02:01 AM
Hard luck pal. Your search may take a while, but you'll find the one. There's plenty out there.

barge master
10-17-04, 09:00 AM
One advantage you have is that you have the cash in hand to jump right on a good deal once you find it. A lot of times a car goes the same day if the price is right. You gotta swoop down on it like a hawk. Florida has gotta be the best place on earth to find a good used Caddy. I got my 89 for $500. It was sitting in a driveway for a year and needed a little work, but it was worth every dime. I could sell it for every cent I've got into it, or more. The old guy who had it lost his fingers to diabetes and couldn't drive it anymore. His wife got sick of looking at it, and just wanted it gone. Yours is out there too.

FASSTWOOD
10-17-04, 11:58 AM
How about this one its a 95. autotrader (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=171797721&dealer_id=574168&car_year=1995&search_type=used&make=CAD&model=FLEE&make3=&transmission=&distance=75&make2=CAD&address=33602&only_price=&certified=&model3=&model2=BROUGH&max_mileage=&max_price=&min_price=&end_year=1996&start_year=1994&drive=&isp=y&engine=&body_style=&advcd_on=n&fuel=&doors=&color=&color=&color=&advanced=n&cardist=75) . You drove a 93 now go drive a LT1. I think its in your area... Thatwas a lot for a 93 with a hit in car fax and those other issues...

SupaFly
10-17-04, 12:14 PM
I bought mine in Utica, New York at some small repair shop. $4,000. 100,000 miles. I was borrowing money here and there for it. I couldn't even think about not getting it. My father really wanted me to have it too. I borrowed money from him. Borrowed $1,500 from my old boss. Saved up some, which is something that just does not happen regularly. I actually paid $3,000 for it because I left that job and my boss really was not concerned about getting it all back.

scurling
10-17-04, 06:17 PM
Carguy: You profile doesn't say where you live, so I don't know your state requirements. I'm in Va. where licensed dealers are not suppose to sell a car that will not pass a Va. safety inspection. Safety problems are usually fixed before the car goes on th sales lot. That means the seatbelts, et.al.

Just something else to keep in mind when dealing for a car.

Unless you could find one that looked ok from a junk yard, a new seatbelt from the dealer isn't cheap either.

Leloz
10-17-04, 07:21 PM
Call this guy up, he might be willing to come down a bit:

1994 Fleetwood (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6149&item=2494676816&rd=1)

There are several more going in your price range and you can do an easy carfax on them.
Goodluck!

Destroyer
10-17-04, 08:17 PM
Geez, could you have made that story any longer? It could have been made shorter and the point would have came through. Like this "The family and I went to a car lot, saw a Caddy I liked. Drove good but had a lot of grease and or oil on the bottom of it and dad says I shouldn't buy it so I didn't. Oh well'. :coolgleam

carguy16
10-17-04, 08:52 PM
Im going to add that to my "Look at list." Thats the same price as the '93 Im lookin at.

Im going to be thinking about the 5.7 vs. the LT1, since the LT1, they both take regular according to fueleconomy.gov.

The '93 is a one owner car with 82k miles, this '95 has the LT1 in it. Im at the point where I dont care about which engine it has, just the condition of the car. It will be nice to upgrade from a 5.7 to LT1, so I dont get spoiled, apparently the 5.7 is more reliable no non-sense engine?

The '95 doesnt have the white wall tires on all 4 wheels, it changes the appearance dramatically. I have about 1-2 months to think about it, and save up.

Patienece, i've test driven the car, I like it. But, so I now have two more to choose from. If one sells, I have one more to fall back on. These dont seem to be too popular, thank fully people have the mind set that they are expensive to fix, are poor on gas, big old peoples car, etc...There is no demand, which works to my advantage. The other '93 im looking at has been at the dealer for over a month since I've sold it, so I can wait for the price to go down.

And as far as making the post in a story, being detailed some one could post and let me know if something was wrong with the car, such as if I can turn the wheel with my pinky something is seriously wrong with the car, etc...

I dont think the dealer gave a sh*t on what condition the cars were on, there were cars missing mirrors, mufflers falling off, rear view mirrors missing, and mine with the TINY dead battery.

How about this one its a 95. autotrader (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=171797721&dealer_id=574168&car_year=1995&search_type=used&make=CAD&model=FLEE&make3=&transmission=&distance=75&make2=CAD&address=33602&only_price=&certified=&model3=&model2=BROUGH&max_mileage=&max_price=&min_price=&end_year=1996&start_year=1994&drive=&isp=y&engine=&body_style=&advcd_on=n&fuel=&doors=&color=&color=&color=&advanced=n&cardist=75) . You drove a 93 now go drive a LT1. I think its in your area... Thatwas a lot for a 93 with a hit in car fax and those other issues...

scurling
10-17-04, 10:34 PM
Carguy:

You keep bringing up issues that detract from the '93. Make the decision and cross it off your list. As you describe it, there are too many unknown and potential problems for the asking price.

Also, knowing a cars history is a BIG plus. If you can find a car that fits into your requirements and price range, knowing the history will tell you a lot. The fewer the owners, the easier it will be to find the owner(s) and ask real questions. Previous owners who have no interest in the sale are usually willing to provide answers truthfully, especially if they took care of the car.

The eBay Fltwd. looks like a car auction house item. It looks good on paper, but in person, they would probably go lower than the $5K if the bidding doesn't go anywhere. No one has touched it yet with 3 days to go.

This FL Fltwd. could be one owned by that "Little ole Lady".

Good luck on your search.

DopeStar 156
10-17-04, 11:02 PM
The best ones are when the previous owner died. I know that sounds morbid, but both mine and my girlfriend's are widow Cadillacs sold to us by friends/relatives of the previous owner. This way the last owner really wasn't done owning it, and you always got someone riding with you!

scurling
10-17-04, 11:13 PM
DopeStar:

LOL, soooo right.

I agree with your evaluation. One of my '94s was from a old guy that stopped driving for his (and our) safety. My second '94 was from a funeral home fleet which was updated and sold the car to a retired Vetrinarian who never drove it because he had a newer DTS.

FASSTWOOD
10-18-04, 12:02 AM
The best ones are when the previous owner died. I know that sounds morbid, but both mine and my girlfriend's are widow Cadillacs sold to us by friends/relatives of the previous owner. This way the last owner really wasn't done owning it, and you always got someone riding with you!

Thats how I got my blue 85 fleetwood brougham coupe. It was my best lookig car...

DopeStar 156
10-18-04, 01:34 AM
I'm tellin' ya man. However if they start driving themselves, time for that for sale sign.

JAKE91
10-18-04, 12:06 PM
I JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH A CHEV DEALER WHO HAS A '94 CAPRICE WITH THE 5.7L (LT1) OPTION PKG. IN IT. ASKING $5000.
ONLY 32,662 MILES!!! EXCELLENT CONDITION. A CREAMPUFF TRADE.
IT WAS SOLD SATURDAY MORNING. :drinker

I TOLD THE SALESMAN IF THE GUY BURPS ON THE DEAL TO GIVE ME A CALL.

SMART MOVE TO WALK AWAY FROM THE FLEETWOOD. WHO WANTS TO BE REPAIRING A CAR YOU JUST BOUGHT. THEY HAVE TO BE REAL CHERRYS FOR ME TO BUY A USED CAR. :drinker

DopeStar 156
10-18-04, 02:03 PM
Does your computer have a caps lock issue? Just asking...

theGman
10-18-04, 05:45 PM
Used Cads are great buys; the original owner is probably dead, and his blue hair wife thinks it's too big to drive, but takes it to the dealer for any service, so you know it's in decent mechanical shape.

caddyfleetwoodca
10-18-04, 06:58 PM
Shadow,
I will say the Fleetwood is the best car I have ever driven/ridden in. How much does an air compressor for the suspension run???
if the compressor is turning on that often it probably has a hole in one or both rear shocks or the airlines that go to the shocks. Viair i believe makes a compressor exactly the same as the one in the fleetwood and it only costs about $130 its not that big of a problem. in my opinion i still wouldn't buy that car though too much money and too much leakage. but it doesn't hurt to learn how to fix some of the minor problems incase you run into them on a nicer car that doesn't have engine or tranny problems.
P.S. watch out for the radiators on the 93's that have two lower rad hoses the only place i found a new one was at the dealership and it was $750CAD i ended up getting it re-cored for $300CAD plus the cost of a rental car.

carguy16
10-18-04, 08:49 PM
Guys:

Let me make something clear here.

I have crossed of the 1993 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham of my list, this is the one that is blue in color and I test drove, 108k miles.

I found ANOTHER 1993 Cadillac Fleetwood Anniversary Edition with 82k miles on it for $4995.

Then, there is the 1995 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham that some one on this board kindly found, for $4995.

I will not look at the 1993 I test drove already, I'm not going back there.

carguy16
10-18-04, 09:07 PM
I forgot to mention, the 1993 Fleetwood Anniversary edition which I have not test drove yet with 82k miles on it, was garaged kept, and "Traded for a New Lincoln." The top is black, and it looks good, the body color is silver/gold/greyish, it has a lighter interior color.

FASSTWOOD
10-18-04, 10:59 PM
Are you gonna test drive that one? I posted the 95. Is that 95 close to you? Might really be worth driving a 94-96 before buying a 93 :lildevil: . I guess I got LT1 fever!!!

JAKE91
10-19-04, 12:11 PM
Are you gonna test drive that one? I posted the 95. Is that 95 close to you? Might really be worth driving a 94-96 before buying a 93 :lildevil: . I guess I got LT1 fever!!!


THE '95 AND THE '93. YOU WON'T SEE ANY DIFFERENCE. THE LOWEND AND MIDRANGE ARE THE SAME. I KNOW IT, I TEST DROVE ALL THE YEARS. :helpless:
YOU WILL SEE A DIFFERENCE IN REPAIR BILLS THOUGH.(SEE MY POST IN TECHNICAL FORUM,5.0,5.7). GOOD LUCK. :)

THE 2 SECONDS DIFFERENCE IS AT 5000 RPMS. THATS ALMOST REDLINE. :banghead:

RBraczyk
10-19-04, 12:49 PM
5000 is my max redline, but I'm detuned for towing and hauling.

DopeStar 156
10-19-04, 01:44 PM
I usually find a better buy from a private seller if you know what to look for.

carguy16
10-19-04, 04:12 PM
As far as test driving them: the only time Im going to be test driving them is when I go out and buy them, right now I have to save up about $500.00 to a $1000.00 to plonk down for the difference. Right now Im leaning towards the '93 I havnt test drove yet, the LT1 is apparently expensive to fix, and as I said before, acceleration really is not important, I drove that car, and its just not a car for acceleration, its more of a cruiser, I couldnt tell I was accelerating or hear it either, I dont know if this is the case with the LT1 since the red line is obviously higher???

You know, I found a page on geocities.com that said the 95' Buick Roadmaster did 0-60 in 6.7 seconds and ran the quarter mile in 15 seconds, it was the limited edition model apparently??? I dont have much money to spend on repairs, the 5.7 ltr with 185 HP is fine with me, but if it sells im definately going after the 94 or 95. The '95 that you found for me Fastwood is about 60-80 miles from my house, the '94 you found me on ebay motors is abuot 160 miles from my house. Like I said before, it might be a treat to upgrade from the 5.7 to LT1. Im also looking for condition of the car.

You know, come to think of it, all THREE of these Fleetwoods are $5,000.00 each, the '93 I wanna test drive with low miles, garaged, and traded for a new Lincoln, the 95' that fastwood found for me in Orlando, and then the '94 that is on Ebay 160 miles from my house.

As far as buying from a private seller, If I could find one I'd do that. The dealer that I test drove the blue '93 was charging a $299.00 dealer fee.

DopeStar 156
10-19-04, 07:22 PM
Those dealers are scuzzbags. Yet a private seller can be the same way. Like I mentioned, know what to look for.

FASSTWOOD
10-19-04, 10:51 PM
Carguy the lt1 may have some parts that are more expensive, but you can't beat durability. My car now has 350,000 miles and I spun a bearing by being an idiot on the highway. I confident the motor would of lasted a lot longer if it wasn't for my boneheaded driving.