: fwb shopping



lowellches
06-19-11, 02:57 PM
I am shopping for another 93-96 fwb and have come onto a couple of puzzling ads

Is there such a thing as a 93 fleetwood with front wheel drive ?

and I have seen 2 or 3 advertised with Chevrolet engine ? ( and 1 with a corvette engine)

do such listing make sense, or are sellers confused ?

JIC anyone decides to offer me a car, I am in Fl.

jayoldschool
06-19-11, 03:16 PM
All 93-96 RWD are Chevrolet engines. 93s got the TBI L05 5.7, while 94-96 got the MPFI LT1 5.7 (and more HP). Some sellers refer to this engine as the "Corvette" engine, even thought it is different. The B/D body LT1 got 2 bolt mains, iron heads, and a cam for low end torque.

brougham
06-19-11, 06:18 PM
Fleetwoods were all RWD in 1993. Just some people don't know what their cars are and are calling their FWD cars that. Same as the people who call their Broughams Fleetwoods when they aren't. GM liked to mess around with the names to confuse people.

sven914
06-19-11, 08:41 PM
In '93 Cadillac had a "Sixty Special" that was front wheel drive and looked identical to the '92 Fleetwood (FWD). I'm sure some people would list one of those as a Fleetwood as well.

turbojimmy
06-20-11, 02:44 PM
Fleetwoods were all RWD in 1993. Just some people don't know what their cars are and are calling their FWD cars that. Same as the people who call their Broughams Fleetwoods when they aren't. GM liked to mess around with the names to confuse people.

Wait a minute. In '93-96, weren't all Broughams Fleetwoods? But not all Fleetwoods were Broughams?

lowellches
06-20-11, 03:00 PM
All 93-96 RWD are Chevrolet engines. 93s got the TBI L05 5.7, while 94-96 got the MPFI LT1 5.7 (and more HP). Some sellers refer to this engine as the "Corvette" engine, even thought it is different. The B/D body LT1 got 2 bolt mains, iron heads, and a cam for low end torque.


Is the 93 engine considered inferior - or equal quality - to 94-96 engine, except smaller ?

turbojimmy
06-20-11, 03:33 PM
Is the 93 engine considered inferior - or equal quality - to 94-96 engine, except smaller ?

It's the same size (350 cubic inch) but has 50 less HP. It's a solid engine, but less desirable because it has less power. I would expect to pay substantially less for a '93 versus a '94-96 for that reason.

sven914
06-20-11, 04:06 PM
In '93, the Fleetwood (Brougham) used the L05, which was a Throttle Body Injected version of the Chevrolet 350; the same motor that was an option for '90-'92 Brougham (non Fleetwood).

In '94, the Fleetwood (Brougham) used the LT1, which was a redesigned version of the L05 that use Port Fuel Injection; it was first used in '92 Corvettes, but modified for used in '94 Buick, Chevrolet, and Cadillac RWD passenger cars.

Aron9000
06-21-11, 01:47 AM
I'd go for a LT1 car. My 1991 had the L05 350, it was a good motor but had ZERO top end power above 60mph. The LT1 in my 95 is a lot smoother, quieter, and sounds nicer as well.

brougham
06-21-11, 07:03 PM
My 350 has power all the time. But I would go for the LT1 too. The more power the better.

Cadillacboy
06-25-11, 10:50 AM
Let's not forget you can tune up your LT1 as well :D

Aron9000
06-25-11, 05:13 PM
Let's not forget you can tune up your LT1 as well :D

Good point, LT1's are pretty quick out of the box and respond well to simple bolt on mods. The L05, well you can use the short block as a basis for more power. Any real power gains with that is going to require swapping heads, cam, intake, headers, and ditching the TBI system for a carb. Or you can just put in a worked over 350 crate motor and save yourself some aggravation. That was my plan if my stock L05 ever took a dump on me in my 91, but it was running strong with 131k miles on it, used no oil, and never left me stranded. Was even good on gas, I got 17mpg average, 24mpg doing 75-80 highway.

Stingroo
06-25-11, 09:30 PM
LT1's are not updates of the L05. They are different motors.

Just FYI.


I personally find my L05 350 to be adequate, but of course, more power is better. Keep in mind: the L05 will be easier to work on and parts will be cheaper, generally.

IF I had to get a '93 Fleetwood, I would insist that it had the tow package. This gets you 3.73 gears to move it along quite well.

ShadowLvr400
06-27-11, 02:33 PM
Ok... I'll probably regret asking this, but how much are you looking to spend? I have a 96 Fleetwood, interior's in less than ideal shape, body needs some minor repairs, but the drivetrain is LT1, 171k on it, 218/224 cam, beehive valve springs, Clear Image Auto budget headers, no cats, Ravin Z55 high flow mufflers, built transmission with a 2500 Johnny Winters stall converter. (About 30k on the transmission.) Rear is back to a factory 2.56 pegleg, I'll include 2 seats from an 04 GTO that are under fabrication for the Fleetwood, and LT1 Edit for the car. Though I don't really want to sell the car... But about to head out of the country for med school for 2 years, and I might be able to find an old Imp to replace the Fleetwood afterwards.

Stingroo
06-27-11, 03:48 PM
Too bad about the crummy rear end there. That sounds fun otherwise. :p

ShadowLvr400
06-28-11, 07:59 AM
I sorta crushed the 3.42 posi rear. I think it objected to 400 torque. I'll likely be rebuilding it in a few years with a 3.08 posi. Yes, I'm keeping the gearing somewhat tall to maintain usability overall. Plus with the powerband, I figure might as well. Plans are finish the GTO seat installs, clean up the body, up the sound system a bit more, do a rear end and brake upgrade, bump up engine power another 100 or more... :)

lowellches
07-04-11, 02:07 PM
Shadow

I just noticed your post. Did not mean to ignore you.

I am not really interested in a car which has been modified. I prefer stock. What I would really like - would be to find one with a bad motor which I
could buy for body parts - then fix mine.

ShadowLvr400
07-07-11, 08:58 AM
There's a funeral home near me that has a champagne colored Fleetwood, though I don't know that it's for sale. Looks clean. I don't know the name of the home, but it's on SR 520 in Cocoa. As for not wanting a modified one, no problem. Means I don't have to feel guilty at all about hanging onto it. :)