: It's like Christine - only real.



Night Wolf
06-02-11, 11:34 PM
This car has been around the interwebz for the past few years, but I don't think it ever made a showing here. Inspiring to many for what a real rat rod is, love it or hate it.

Started off as a nicely kept e28...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3503/3204575697_2440d68da4_o.jpg

Which then got hit by an 18-wheeler:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3476/3238836567_4d02061e68_o.jpg

Then was rebuilt, and purposefully rusted:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3550/3517162967_55fa8d42df_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3396/3517159311_7e81bab4f2_o.jpg

Home made roof rack and slammed trailer:

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll1t9ezkTp1qdetg9o1_500.jpg

Used diesel oil was rubbed all over the car to blacken the rust appearance, the roof was chopped and 24k gold wheels were added

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Linhbergh2010/September/gallery/rusty2/5031715026_741242a1e7_o.jpg

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Linhbergh2010/September/gallery/rusty2/5031100461_c1f1072473_o.jpg

The interior got some attention too:

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Linhbergh2010/September/gallery/rusty2/5031096827_bbc3d5cf7f_o.jpg

1/2" ground clearance

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Linhbergh2010/September/gallery/rusty2/5025535620_3f9df3d806_o.jpg

"Satan wanted his car back" while in progress with another step of the project.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5182/5560559374_ed38477c1a_o.jpg


In the middle of all this, I decided to get Ratty's old engine running while it was sitting in the driveway, all out of sheer boredom. I made a new wiring harness for the engine and during the starting process managed to hydro-lock one of the cylinders full of gasoline. I pulled the spark plugs to plunge the gas out, and while turning the engine over, the battery lead hooked up to the harness sparked. The fuel ignited and sent a fireball towards the garage. By sheer chance, the flaming gas landed directly on another 5 gallon tank of gas. The garage more or less exploded. It went up so fast that there was literally no stopping it.


http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5223/5610054005_4cfbb20549_o.jpg

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/206404_1986963316421_1313444289_2265122_5289144_n. jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5307/5610139436_ff8c6d0bcc_o.jpg

http://www.stanceworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/TheGarage-copy.jpg

Which opens the door for the next chapter:

http://www.stanceworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/5672200705_14c8eabb30_o.jpeg

Sources and lotso pics, at one point he swapped in a turbo Toyota 1JZ and if I rememeber correctly, the car had around half a million miles on it.

http://www.stanceworks.com/2009/05/resurrection-the-complete-story-of-the-zombie-e28/

http://www.stanceworks.com/2011/05/kill-car/

http://speedhunters.com/archive/2010/09/27/car-spotlight-gt-gt-rusty-undead.aspx

http://www.stanceworks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16717

greencadillacmatt
06-02-11, 11:42 PM
WOW. Commitment. That guy has it.

gary88
06-02-11, 11:45 PM
That's Mike Burroughs' car (well was), he posts on bimmerforums. He's done so much to that car over time it's ridiculous, but I give him respect for everything he's done to it because it's always been unique and interesting. He even had a 2JZ in there at one point.

He also has a badass S54 swapped E36.

http://www.awol.tv/episodes/1?episode=89#

ben.gators
06-02-11, 11:47 PM
crazy son of a b*&^%

Night Wolf
06-03-11, 12:03 AM
That's Mike Burroughs' car (well was), he posts on bimmerforums. He's done so much to that car over time it's ridiculous, but I give him respect for everything he's done to it because it's always been unique and interesting. He even had a 2JZ in there at one point.

He also has a badass S54 swapped E36.

http://www.awol.tv/episodes/1?episode=89#

Yup. I just saw the update, not only about the fire - but he has since decided to keep it and continue the build using the same chassis. Many people didn't like that car and said "kill it with fire". That didn't work.

I try to avoid bf.c...

ben.gators
06-03-11, 12:45 AM
any update about your own BMW?

I~LUV~Caddys8792
06-03-11, 01:08 AM
'58 Plymouth >>> E28.

Cool story tho.

Night Wolf
06-03-11, 01:51 AM
any update about your own BMW?

Which one? LOL - the e30 convertible... on hold

My e28, plenty. It's been daily driver status for a while now. Made an emergency trip to NY back in September, drove it down to/all around Tampa bay, FL to get the new (reman) Jeep transmission.

Everyday I drive it like I stole it. WOT, 5500RPM shifts (stock rev limiter was 5k) and sideways around turns when I feel like it. The thing just doesn't quit, doesn't even show signs of slowing up. Ready to turn 274k, heck the A/C still blows cool. This was the same engine ran on extremely low oil presure for 2yrs. I replaced the cracked oil pump with a used one and all is well. It's got consistant high compression and doesn't comsume oil between changes. It has the old style hex head bolts (known for breaking and replaced with torx) which tells me the head has never been off.

Jeep transmission removed:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/Jeep/Transmission%205-11/JeepTransremove098.jpg

Fresh reman Mercedes 6spd. Also have an old core battery in there (bought a new one for Jeep) and not in the picture was the brand new LuK clutch kit - car was loaded up with Jeep stuff for the 1700-mile trip.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/Jeep/Transmission%205-11/Transmission003.jpg

Not the best picture, but one of the most recent, in FL with a trunk load of Jeep.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/Jeep/Transmission%205-11/Transmission002.jpg

The car is quite enjoyable to drive, front end is boarderline shot so it has a few quirks but is easy to work with. It is pretty much in "mostly maintained" condition overall. I'm surprised by how well the cheapo $25 Wearever Silvers (brake pads) I threw on the front work. With 4-wheel disc/ABS the darn thing is almost scary in a hard stop, it simply does just that. 15" e34 wheels with grippy Yokohamas in 205/60 flavor are real nice too. Performance wise, it's an eta (fuel economey version) but chipping it really woke it up - increased HP and tq as well as raising the rev limiter, it actually feels lively now. The short throw shifter with fully rebuilt/upgraded bushings makes for a fun drive. This engine is not made for high RPM HP, but instead low-midrange torque, which combined with the 2.93 gearing makes for a laid back, but fun cruiser. Engine pulls decently from 1500RPM and the dual mass flywheel keeps it smooth at all loads/speeds. Chip says it needs premium gas, I've ran it and can't tell a difference. M20 doesn't have a knock sensor so I run ethanol free (when in town) 87 in it. Driving it hard often brings a combined fuel economy of 24mpg, highway 27mpg @ 76mph. Driving it without running wide open or above redline multiple times/day will raise the combined mpg up to 27 and a slower highway cruise will bring 30mpg @ 70 and 32mpg @ 65. It is 2.7L, I6 of course. When new, it had 121hp/170tq. The chip claims +24hp/+22tq (eta is said to be most beneficial from chipping due to very mild stock fuel/ignition tuning for max mpg). Who knows what it really added though... and who knows how much power the engine lost after 25yrs, 275k miles and ran for a long time with very low oil pressure. I have been thinking about swapping in a 3.25 limited slip to really add sideways fun, but I kinda like the taller gearing. 5th is a great highway cruise gear and returns real nice MPG.

The car has its quirks, some more annoying than others but none really matter that much. It looks like an old German piece of machinery that won't stop, is called the Panzer because of that and owes me nothing. I enjoy this car and take care of it, but in no way baby it at all. If it manages to break, I'll fix it and keep driving. Every time I get in the car, much less start it or drive it the same thing comes to mind "You can crash an old BMW but you can't wear it out".... and heck, the car in which this thread is about has already proved that wrong.

This car gives off an odd vibe. Even when it chooses to randomly leak coolant here and there, sometimes thousands of miles in between (who knows how old the mess of coolant hoses are... they are on the list). I keep a basic tool kit in the trunk, throw in some duct tape and safety wire and I really feel like I can drive the thing anywhere. Not that it wouldn't give me a problem, but that it wouldn't be more than a 5min fix then be rolling again. The ugly, huge, thick US bumpers also give it a certain urban battering ram feel. I'd feel comfortable to drive this car anywhere tomorrow without second thought - driving it like I stole it the whole time.... and it's not restored, rebuilt or overhauled in any way. It's a more than well-used car older than myself with well over a quarter million miles on it.

Night Wolf
06-03-11, 01:53 AM
'58 Plymouth >>> E28.

Cool story tho.

Real life > fictional movie :thumbsup:

greencadillacmatt
06-03-11, 02:04 AM
So, when he repaints it, is it going to be red with a white roof?

Night Wolf
06-03-11, 02:26 AM
lol, I think that car is far from paint.... but who knows! It'll be interesting to follow for sure!

ben.gators
06-03-11, 03:52 AM
Yes, I mean this one! :D I am really happy that your retro BMW is still rocking! I should confess that I have some feelings to these 70s and early 80s BMWs! My cousin used to own a 5 series E12 BMW when I was a kid, and I really loved his car and in my childish dream world I was imagining myself driving a BMW!

I am pretty sure that at some point of my life I will buy a BMW of that era...

My cousin's BMW was something like this:
http://www.autoevolution.com/images/gallery/medium/BMW5Series-medium-1642_8.jpg


oh, by the way, what is wrong with your Jeep? The transmission is gone?!

Stingroo
06-03-11, 04:16 AM
Rusty Slammington FTMFW.

Night Wolf
06-03-11, 07:58 AM
Yes, I mean this one! :D I am really happy that your retro BMW is still rocking! I should confess that I have some feelings to these 70s and early 80s BMWs! My cousin used to own a 5 series E12 BMW when I was a kid, and I really loved his car and in my childish dream world I was imagining myself driving a BMW!

I am pretty sure that at some point of my life I will buy a BMW of that era...

My cousin's BMW was something like this:
http://www.autoevolution.com/images/gallery/medium/BMW5Series-medium-1642_8.jpg


oh, by the way, what is wrong with your Jeep? The transmission is gone?!

Very cool! As you can See,s the e12 and e28 look very similar. That's because the e28 was just a refresh. My '87 looks just like an '83 which dates back to the early 70s, a-pillar, roofline, split HVAC system, complex trunk seal design etc... It has an updated (but weaker) front end, revised front/rear styling (hood opens lame way tho, e12 and e34 both were slick). It also has an, IMO very nice 80s interior that has aged very well. Despite being old, the car really doesn't feel like a sacrifice to drive, it's got plenty of goodies and excellent driving dynamics. Actually this is the very car so many cars today try to be - imagining new cars in the 80s, not much else really would compare with the whole sport sedan thing - this car does and doesn't feel 25yrs old - it doesn't because it has such sharp dynamics. It does because it is smaller, lighter and very 'raw' feeling compared to new cars. As for the Jeep, at 93k 3rd gear was grinding bad, it was difficult to shift between 5th and 6th on the highway and getting worse. I figured I'd replace it before it failed. Info on them is sparse as Mercedes uses them, but overseas. No body around has experience rebuilding, I was going to try it myself before finding out parts would be as much as a new one... Used trans would be $1000-$1200 for 50k miles. I got this fresh reman with 3yr/100k nationwide warranty by Chrysler for $1639 - no shipping, no tax and turned in the core at same time. LuK clutch kit brand new was $165 as I bought it in the building of the online store, no tax and knocked price down from online as it included shipping. New transmission is installed, currently the whole interior is stripped as I'm spraying in a bedliner over the whole tub.

77CDV
06-04-11, 12:20 AM
Glad someone has time on his hands. Good to see you back, Rick. :)

Night Wolf
06-04-11, 08:39 AM
I'll update my e28 progress thread sometime, several have asked about it though including PM's while I was away. Right now as my only drivable vehicle, I'm just leaving it alone. When I start driving the Jeep again I'll probably do a few small things with it, but nothing heavy for a while as the house needs a lot of attention, and before I spend huge blocks of money/time into the e28, I want to get the e30 driving again. So far I've driving the car to upstate NY, down to Tampa Bay FL including Lakeland and many other trips to my parents near Gainesville FL. It's been to Atlanta (90-180mins each way depending on where) about 2 dozens times for parts/airport/bored. Daily driven to work and anywhere else I need, or want to go. I bought the car back in September (emergency trip to NY last year was November) and have put 6k miles on it since I fixed the odometer and I guesstimate 5k on it before then (including the 2300-mile NY trip) so I've logged over 10k miles on this car already in 9ish months. Not to mention the thousands of miles I put on the Jeep too.

End of April is when I went down to Tampa Bay for several days, picked up the Jeep parts and enjoyed the beach/area. The whole time the car was loaded with over 300lbs of Jeep stuff in the trunk between the transmission, clutch kit and battery, not to mention the extra tool kit, travel stuff and other misc things. I could feel the extra weight, most noticeable was acceleration but the car rode a bit smoother, stayed pretty level too. These pics were all taken with my phone, so not the best quality.

Streetside in St. Petersburg, FL

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/04292011590.jpg

Beachside at Anna Maria Island

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/04292011593.jpg

These were taken yesterday, after driving on the interstate for 15mins - the OAT is accurate. When I fixed the odometer gears I painted the needles red. I was going to add stainless trim rings around the gauges like I did on the e30, but it doesn't matter on this car. Painting the needles was cheap, easy and looks much better than white IMO.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/06032011715.jpg

I'll probably end up painting the hood flat black and leaving it. The clearcoat on the roof and trunk is trash, but on the sides it is still there. After the initial pressure washing to remove the layers of nastiness, I never did anything to clean it up other than wash it a few times. I'll see if I can polish it up and if it does, probably paint the roof and trunk flat black to match the hood. Not sure how it'll end up looking, but it doesn't really matter anyway.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/06032011717.jpg

The painted carpet is holding up great. The wear spot on the "dead pedal" is from the rubber nubbed backed cheap floor mat I was using. Tossed them because there really was no point - more of a pain than anything. BMW did a good job at putting thick vinyl on all the high wear areas anyway. The sound system is actually a strong point in this car. Factory original 8-speaker system ran by the Pioneer DEH-P7800MP head unit is an awesome combination. The Pioneer has a 16-band eq, BBE and other features that let those speakers sound better than before. Only thing really lacking is deep bass, but I am continually impressed. I bought the iPod controller for the Pioneer so it'll charge the iPod and I have full control/display of it via the head unit (or remote) itself and I can leave the iPod in the glove box. If all the window/sunroof seals weren't shot, It'd probably be a lot quieter on the highway too, but I just turn the music up louder (well, usually the windows are open). I'll replace them sometime, but atleast it doesn't leak even in heavy rain storm only when I spray water at the car - that was fun at the car wash to get the gf when she was sitting in the car all closed up and not expecting to get wet (with me out of the car). I plan to get another Pioneer just like this one for the Jeep, several years old now but the features, control options and sound quality is flat out impressive.

It did cool down a bit though, only 101* there.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/06032011722.jpg

Where the magic happens! zip ties, plastic radiator repair goo, wire butt connectors, wire splice/tap connectors, broken random sensor, body repair via BFH, cracked 25yo rubber fuel lines that leaked then fixed by trimming the end and putting back, ran wide open and 500rpm above stock redline on a daily basis despite 2yrs with badly damaged oil pump causing extremely low oil pressure in the past, totally neglected by PO, runs smooth, idles well, doesn't burn or comsume oil between 4-5k changes, has consistant mid-high compression. Check and all accounted for. 121hp in a 3100lbs, it is what it is - feels just fine for me as a daily driver. If I want to move faster, downshift and full throttle makes for fun trips. It's faster than my '94 Isuzu, '89 Fleetwood Brougham and '79 Sedan Deville. Which really isn't saying much but I was comfortable driving those vehicles anyway.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/06032011723.jpg

The Jeep currently. New transmission is already in, have about 700 miles on it since. DIY spray bedlining the tub now. I was tired of the steel wheels and missed my factory aluminum wheels. balanced much better, better offroad with rock damage and weigh 10lbs less - each. Total saved weight of 50lbs, 40lbs of which is rotating mass. Everything improved - acceleration, ride, handling, braking. I bought the set of 5 Ravines in like new condition in Atlanta (they all fit in the trunk of the Panzer) but decided not to stay with the silver look, so I sanded them down, taped off the edges and painted them charcoal metallic using wheel paint, then clearcoated the entire wheel. Lug nuts were replaced with upgraded 1-piece black, I like it a lot. These wheels have 1.5" less backspacing then the steel on it (tuck in more) which causes some rubbing issues so I have 1.25" spacers to bring them back out. Real happy with them!

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/05222011651.jpg

FrankT
06-04-11, 09:27 AM
:DThink this is a 57 Christine.

Destroyer
06-04-11, 09:30 PM
Real life > fictional movie :thumbsup:A real life '58 Plymouth is cooler too! :cool2:

77CDV
06-05-11, 12:40 AM
A real life '58 Plymouth is cooler too! :cool2:

Until it rusts into nothingness.

Playdrv4me
06-05-11, 04:52 AM
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/05222011651.jpg

LOL! I don't think I've ever had any vehicle I'm still making payments on (I assume you're still paying on it) in quite this much of a state of disassembly... I can imagine the repo company... "WHERE THE HELL IS THE REST OF IT?!"

Destroyer
06-05-11, 08:34 AM
Streetside in St. Petersburg, FL

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/04292011590.jpgNew wheels? Car looks good and seems to be making a hell of a daily driver. Never thought it would be that reliable from the pics taken when you first got it. :cool2:

Destroyer
06-05-11, 08:39 AM
Until it rusts into nothingness.Remember this one? http://www.allpar.com/history/auto-shows/time-capsule.html

I~LUV~Caddys8792
06-05-11, 08:52 AM
:DThink this is a 57 Christine.

Nope, that's a '58! Here's a '57:
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/2011-03-21_13-43-15_203.jpg

Notice how on the '57s, the inside lights (parking lights) are smaller than the headlights, and the lower grille has a body colored vertical pattern, whereas the '58 has a stainless stell horizontal pattern in it.

stoveguyy
06-05-11, 11:59 AM
some guy at the iola, wisc car show had a dozen restored 55-59 chrysler, dodge, desoto cars. major full on ground up restorations. cars were awesome. he died a few years back and whole collection was sold off. every year he would bring a few to show. tons of project pics, catalogs, you name it. really loved his cars.

77CDV
06-05-11, 01:16 PM
some guy at the iola, wisc car show had a dozen restored 55-59 chrysler, dodge, desoto cars. major full on ground up restorations. cars were awesome. he died a few years back and whole collection was sold off. every year he would bring a few to show. tons of project pics, catalogs, you name it. really loved his cars.

They were great looking cars, and mechanically solid. But if you didn't keep after them cosmetically, the body just fell apart.

Night Wolf
06-05-11, 02:57 PM
New wheels? Car looks good and seems to be making a hell of a daily driver. Never thought it would be that reliable from the pics taken when you first got it. :cool2:

Wheels are 15" BBS from an e34 with 205/60 Yokohama YK520's which are an awesome tire for this car. These are the same wheels I picked up for it early on.

Thanks! I never thought it would be this reliable either. Drove it up to NY, all around GA and down to FL (many times) without issue at all. It's far from perfect, but has more than gained my trust. If nothing else, I feel like I can alyways count on this car to take me where I need to go. The fun and enjoyment in doing so is a bonus!

orconn
06-05-11, 03:40 PM
Wheels are 15" BBS from an e34 with 205/60 Yokohama YK520's which are an awesome tire for this car. These are the same wheels I picked up for it early on.

Thanks! I never thought it would be this reliable either. Drove it up to NY, all around GA and down to FL (many times) without issue at all. It's far from perfect, but has more than gained my trust. If nothing else, I feel like I can always count on this car to take me where I need to go. The fun and enjoyment in doing so is a bonus!

I hate to sound like an old guy, but the truth of the matter, as I see it, is that the sport sedans of the '80's were a lot more fun to drive than the computer assisted "make it hard to screw up" contemporary cars. Not only did they require more skill and judgment to drive safely and well, but they allowed the driver to have a insight into what was going on with his vehicle. A well tuned carburated car or even a comparatively primitive fuel injected one performed well, and if you were a good driver you really didn't need anti-skid brakes or traction control. You could still buy a "fun" car without power steering and still get authentic road feel ( which so many cars lack today).

Like so many things today, the attempts to make it safer for the average citizen has dumbed the experience for those that enjoy being involved in the process of driving. Today most any half baked driver can duplicate the speeds it used to take skill to achieve 30 years ago. Today most drivers couldn't drive a stick shift if their life depended on it. Driving on a twisty at speed would end them in a ditch without all the computer decision makers getting them through. Stirling Moss was right today's racing drivers are mere shadows of their predecessors and the average skilled driver is just kidding himself!

Night Wolf
06-05-11, 04:20 PM
LOL! I don't think I've ever had any vehicle I'm still making payments on (I assume you're still paying on it) in quite this much of a state of disassembly... I can imagine the repo company... "WHERE THE HELL IS THE REST OF IT?!"

LOL! I know, and just a month prior the transmission, clutch, transfercase and drive shafts were out! I almost feel like I'm doing a full restoration on a 2005 model year vehicle!

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/Jeep/Transmission%205-11/JeepTransremove063.jpg

The crazy thing is that the book value now, at 93k is nearly exactly what I paid for it at $13.5k but 2.5yrs ago and with only 40k miles. I thought about selling it - then I realized I'd be crazy to do that because I know I'd regret it dozens and dozens of times in the future. Once I decided to stick with it - I started sinking money back into it again.

I remember when I bought my Jeep, for the price I could have gotten a nice e46 convertible - that car would probably have been left stock till paid off... the Jeep HA! Payments suck, but it is the only vehicle I could justify buying 3yrs old like I did as I'd only save a few thousand dollars, if that, by buying a TJ twice as old with 3 times the miles (optioned the way I want, which is how I got mine).

Night Wolf
06-05-11, 05:16 PM
I hate to sound like an old guy, but the truth of the matter, as I see it, is that the sport sedans of the '80's were a lot more fun to drive than the computer assisted "make it hard to screw up" contemporary cars. Not only did they require more skill and judgment to drive safely and well, but they allowed the driver to have a insight into what was going on with his vehicle. A well tuned carburated car or even a comparatively primitive fuel injected one performed well, and if you were a good driver you really didn't need anti-skid brakes or traction control. You could still buy a "fun" car without power steering and still get authentic road feel ( which so many cars lack today).

Like so many things today, the attempts to make it safer for the average citizen has dumbed the experience for those that enjoy being involved in the process of driving. Today most any half baked driver can duplicate the speeds it used to take skill to achieve 30 years ago. Today most drivers couldn't drive a stick shift if their life depended on it. Driving on a twisty at speed would end them in a ditch without all the computer decision makers getting them through. Stirling Moss was right today's racing drivers are mere shadows of their predecessors and the average skilled driver is just kidding himself!

x awholelotz!!!!

Seriously, that is what I love about these cars. It is such a raw feeling, a true drivers car. Sure cars today do everything better on paper but you described it perfectly. You can only do what the car will let you. These old tanks, the driver is the one deciding just how far to push it.

I do not like traction control at all. However, I am a big fan of a proper 4ch ABS system, and the Bosch setup on the old BMW combined with more than adequately sized 4-wheel disc brakes make the car stop amazing. In an emergency situation, the ABS not only reacts far faster than I could, but works each wheel individually where as I can only control overall system pressure with the pedal. If one tire has more traction then the other, then overall lockup is limited to tire with least traction.

I'm not a fan of carburators or throttle body injection. IMO, BMW really worked magic in the 80s with these cars. It has an injector for each cylinder - and also very little emmissions equipment. Unlike my '89 Brougham with the 307 or '94 Isuzu, both of which ran off miles of vacuum lines, most everything on the BMW is electronic, very little vacuum lines. These engines also do not have any AIR pumps and no EGR.

That's why I say this car does and doesn't feel 25yrs old. If you think of many mid 80s luxury cars, you get all sorts of cars made for long distance highway comfort that rely on door handles for making turns. In the 80s very few cars offered what this car did. Yet the car doesn't feel "new" because as you mentioned - "new" has been overly refined topped with "nanny". The old e28 doesn't even have rack and pinion - it's got a steering box, pitman arm and drag link - yet you'd probably never know it from driving.

When pushed hard, the car lets you know what is going on. I can tell when the tires are at their limits. A near 50/50 balance and RWD means that you can really feel the difference when at the limits from maintaining throttle, getting on it or letting off - and this is all on a "worn out" car with a "mostly sorta" maintained stock suspension.

That's what keeps bringing me back to them. It is such an awesome balanced package. Even for its' era - Sure there are more powerful cars, better handling cars, cars with more toys and gizmos etc... but this is an awesome package. A very reliable, easy to work on drivetrain with an engine management system that simply works well and is easy to troubleshoot. A nicely sized car that can still be used as a car, or a personal canyon carver. Inside, rather excellent ergonomics with many power features, extras and neat things that make day to day living with it enjoyable and not feeling like I have to "settle". It gets great fuel economy too.

That is really what I like about this old tank. Just looking at a picture - it looks like a beat up worn out old car, and I like that. Heck maybe even driving it once wouldn't really do much for someone - but living with it day to day, driving it to work and cross country. Everything from sitting in traffic, putting around town, cruise set at 85 down the interstate, or pushing it around turns until the tires squeel and you feel it in the steering wheel, seat and everything else around you that the car is at the limit. It is easy and rather cheap to work on/fix, reliable to no end, cheap to insure, very fuel efficent and if I didn't drive it so hard every day would be even moreso.

The I6, 5spd and RWD make for a great platform in all driving situations. I enjoy the open air feeling, and all 4 windows go all the way down and it has a nice sun roof. It can also do the luxury car thing very well too, close up the windows/sunroof and you have comfortable arm rest seats, a climate control that holds whatever temp you set it to very well and an excellent sound system - all of which not only makes long road trips comfortable and the miles pass easily - but you have fun where your going too, especially if the destination has lots of turns and mountian type roads!

I never did report on that trip, but I drove the e28 to NY last November, and that was just it - an awesome highway cruiser (though the Town Car was a little better for that application) but unlike many other luxury cars I've had, not only was it excellent on the highway, it was a pure blast to drive on all those mountain roads in upstate NY.

I drove the e28 on the same roads I drove my fathers '99 Grand Prix GTP on, when I also reviewed that car. Just like I imagined then as I was driving that car with ~300+ HP and crazy pin-you-in-the-seat acceleration.... you can have all that. That car was simply boring to push hard in the turns, boring to drive and flat out uncomfortable after sitting in it an hour. Give me my balanced old 121hp RWD sedan with a real 5spd manual transmission - serioulsy. The difference was night and day, sure this car doesn't have anything near the acceleration of that GTP, but it makes no difference at all, the amount of fun in simply driving makes up for it. Besides that, the e28 doesn't actually hurt me from sitting in it on a trip... and this isn't even getting into build quality...

I really want to just keep driving the thing to see how far it'll go - which isn't hard for me to do, because I truely enjoy dirivng this car. It's hard for me to sum it up, just because it's the whole package I like so very much. It's old and shows it, has been neglected, looks like it's been around the world and back, nearly totally rust free including the underbody, kicks @$$ and has fun doing it.

*And my car is just the eta - the US-only version with low-revving torque made for laid back driving. The 535i was 3.5L of high RPM fun but when it really comes to true, raw driving - I could just imagine what an e28 M5 is like - talk about a "real" sport sedan...

gary88
06-05-11, 05:44 PM
At the last autocross I went to one guy brought his '81 528i, he actually set a faster best lap than some guys in Z3/4Ms, various M3s, and an E39 M5.

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Night Wolf
06-05-11, 08:23 PM
That's awesome! It would have been great to be there for that. Autox is much more driver than car, but still very neat. It doesn't appear to be (much) lower than stock - know any mods that have been done? Heh, when you compare the two, it's real obvious how the e28 was just a refresh of the e12. They had a good thing going and kept it.

I've done it and while fun, I'm not a fan of the multiple less than 1-minute runs. Still more time than at the drag strip though. I really enjoy the higher speed long winding turns type of driving - it's just a real shame we don't have more of that here. I'd like to go for HPDE at Road Atlanta some time. Though I haven't really looked into it with BMWCCA, IIRC reading that all convertibles need a roll bar - in which case I couldn't take the e30. Who knows, maybe if the e28 ever gets to the point of not being practical to use as a daily driver anymore (at this rate - about another 25yrs later) I'd probably turn it into a track car. It's rust free underneath and not really worth much so unless the chassis is gets badly damaged, it just makes sense to keep it and use it for something.

*Heh, I just found the pictures I was looking for, the autox and trip to NY. These are the same wheels in the other pictures, but they had the (oversized) 215/65 tires on them - it was like balloons on the car!. The 205/60 I have now is the proper size for the 15" wheel. Everything improved too - ride, accleration, handling, braking and MPG not to mention I went from worn out old no names to premium Yokohamas.

At the autox next to my friends Miata. Of all the cars I've owned, I wouldn't consider the e28 "big" but it sure was compared to the others there! A lot of people commented on the "big old sedan" at the autox.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW%20e28/Fixup2/IMG_0135.jpg

Then while away from the car, a large group gathered around it. To the unknowing, it may look like it's got a lot of power, with a BMW I6 and all - and way the categories work, it puts my eta in the same class as an e28 M5 despite it having over twice the HP. So, I decided to get some chaulk and make sure nobody mistook the eta for an M5... or just about anything else with excessive power...

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW%20e28/Fixup2/IMG_0134.jpg

Then I had fun! The worn out balloons along with an open diff made traction around turns difficult. While limited slip would still help, the new tires are real grippy and even in hard turns hold their traction.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW%20e28/Fixup2/IMG_0225.jpg

The e28 has the factory "comfort" seats - and they are... but they do not offer much side support like the "sport" seats in the e30... because of that, about the only way to keep myself from sliding all around was to keep my arm out the window.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW%20e28/Fixup2/IMG_0219.jpg

Still though, it was fun to toss the old tank around.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW%20e28/Fixup2/IMG_0238.jpg

Then about a week after that is when the emergency trip to NY came up. At this time I only had the car about 3 months and drove it to Atlanta once. It had worn out tires, an (even more- since replaced a couple, but not all worn parts) worn out front end and I really didn't know what to expect on the trip. But, it got literally twice the gas mileage as the Jeep so I hit the road.

I don't have many pictures of the trip as it was a jam packed 4 days, but the car had no issue at all over the ~2500-mile trip.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW%20e28/Fixup2/JeepampnNY026.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/InoventionsEast/BMW%20e28/Fixup2/JeepampnNY039.jpg

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gary88
06-05-11, 09:39 PM
I'd love to run on an actual track (especially being relatively close to Road America), but the 335i isn't that great of a track car. Especially mine being an automatic with no factory oil cooler. The N54 gets real hot real quick without some upgrades to the cooling system and will throw itself into limp mode after about 3-4 hard laps depending on the outside temperature. It works well for autox thanks to the short laps and cool down time in between runs, plus the low-end torque really helps (the open diff doesn't). Since I have active steering though it bumps me up a class so I get to compete against modified E36 M3s, E46/E92 M3s, and Z3/4Ms.

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/4886/screenshot20110605at727.jpg

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4869/screenshot20110605at726.jpg

I have been toying with the idea of moving into an E46 M3 though...

Night Wolf
06-05-11, 09:53 PM
Heh, did you pick number 28? I got to pick mine, so I figured 28 was fitting (e28, 528e).

The different steering setup actually puts the car in a different class? I would think your car is a better performer overall than an e36 M3 - but the classes are funny, like e28 eta and M5 together.

Does the 135i have the same overheat/limp mode problems? (manual transmission models)

Would you keep your car if you got the e46 M3?

gary88
06-05-11, 10:17 PM
Yeah I picked 28, I wanted 92 but it was taken :p My SCCA number is 105, need to buy new number plates for another autox coming up soon.

Active steering falls in "quick/active steering" in the CCA rulebook which adds 2 points, since my car was already at the top of B class this tipped me into A. My car is three class points in front of a stock E36 M3, but the ones I was up against all had coilovers, some had r comps, and other mods.

The 135i still has the same overheating problems. My car was built right before the cutoff where BMW started putting oil coolers in automatic sport pack cars, BMWNA used to do goodwill retrofits for those that came without one but when I called about having that done they told me they stopped that.

Note that the overheating pretty much only happens on the track, on the street it's not a problem. On the street the N54 is basically perfect.

If I get an M3 I'd either sell my car privately or trade it in. I just like how raw the E46M is. Plus I'm longing for a 6MT.

Playdrv4me
06-07-11, 04:34 AM
I just like how raw the E46M is.

Ugh, precisely the same reason I got RID of mine. Different strokes I guess, but I'd totally rock a 335i or 330i ZHP.