: What do Sirius Satellite, Chrysler and nasty X rated porn have in common?



Koooop
05-30-11, 03:06 PM
They're all in our new Chrysler Town & Country Minivan!

No shit! No warning, no label on the entertainment system, nope, not a word. Nothing like walking out into the garage and seeing your little kids laughing at the radio... Then you get close enough to find out it's Spice channel with some very nasty, explicit sex talk.

Silly me, I bought a family hauler and was unaware I had to check the content of the new kiddie mobile. I mean, I know I need to limit the internet, put a password on the dish tv for the PG channels and all that, but who would think you need to check for X rating in a Minivan? Isn't a minivan supposed to be designed for kids?

I called the dealer, but the manager says "they didn't do it".

I've never contacted Sirus, but I guess I'll have to call them and ask how to block this.

I'd really like to see the attorney general look into it, but he's probably to busy suing Arizona... Hmmm.

Who puts pornography in a minivan?

Pornography for children in a minivan... Dumbasses!

I wish I had known that was there BEFORE the kids found it. :yup:

orconn
05-30-11, 03:23 PM
While i am not familiar with any of the three things you address here, I can see your concern. Is the kids going into the garage to listen to the car audio system something that happens often in your family? I wonder if you can look up houses of ill repute on the navigation system?

thebigjimsho
05-30-11, 03:47 PM
Kooop, it's Sirius radio. There are plenty of uncensored channels. They don't give different programming depending on what vehicle you buy. I fail to see what anyone did wrong...

Aron9000
05-30-11, 03:47 PM
Sorry Koop, but this is just too damn funny.:histeric::histeric::histeric::histeric:

Somebody correct me if I am wrong here, but the FCC's hands on regulating obsecenity on satellite radio are tied. Since its a paid subscription and not free airwaves like normal radio or NBC, ABC, FOX, etc they can't do much. I think that's why Howard Stern moved to Sirius.

I'd read your owner's manual first and see if there isn't some sort of passcode so you can lock out certain channels. Then maybe talk to your dealer if that fails, or just cancel your subscription to sirius. I know you get it free for a few months when you buy a new car though.

thebigjimsho
05-30-11, 03:50 PM
I do believe you can contact Sirius and have them restrict those channels...

OffThaHorseCEO
05-30-11, 03:53 PM
what the hell though? who listens to porn on the way to work, or on the way to the grocery store or the gas station or on the way to anywhere? that shit is retarded.

thebigjimsho
05-30-11, 04:03 PM
what the hell though? who listens to porn on the way to work, or on the way to the grocery store or the gas station or on the way to anywhere? that shit is retarded.
Really? Have you seen people today? It's offered. Listen to it if you want to. Or not. It's the "American Way"...

RightTurn
05-30-11, 09:08 PM
Geesh. :coffee:

Playdrv4me
05-30-11, 11:53 PM
It's called Satellite Radio, and much like SATELLITE TELEVISION, there is adults only programming. Also much like satellite television, you can have these channels restricted on a given receiver or all of your receivers. And to clarify, those channels are audio only (not Backseat TV).

Welcome to 2001, brah.

Destroyer
05-31-11, 12:39 AM
who listens to porn on the way to work, or on the way to the grocery store or the gas station or on the way to anywhere? Kooops kids? :suspense:

JimmyH
05-31-11, 12:45 AM
My kids were watching Super Mario videos on Youtube yesterday. Mostly walkthroughs. Then I heard an F-bomb. And another. I thought it was funny. My wife disagreed.

drewsdeville
05-31-11, 12:48 AM
what the hell though? who listens to porn on the way to work, or on the way to the grocery store or the gas station or on the way to anywhere? that shit is retarded.

Uh, I have no hard evidence, but I'm sure some of the fellow truckers I've heard over the air enjoy it. It wouldn't surprise me at all if truckers made up a large percentage of satellite radio's customer base - seems like almost all of them use it.

Koooop
05-31-11, 01:06 AM
Kooop, it's Sirius radio. There are plenty of uncensored channels. They don't give different programming depending on what vehicle you buy. I fail to see what anyone did wrong...

So it's okay for someone to sell porn in an optional system that is specifcally designed to entertain children? Just a guess here, but you don't have kids do you? Uncensored is one thing, but nasty X rated stuff that makes Howard look G rated? Seriously?

Sirius was included with the purchase of the car, a car that is intended to haul children (please note built in babyseats are an option, not a brass pole).

I think a warning would be appropriate.

You should hear this stuff! It's hardcore porn, nothing less. I'm not sayin' that porn shouldn't be out there, I just think it shouldn't made available to a bunch of 2nd graders in a carpool without mentioning it to the parents. I've had rentals with Sirius, they didn't have porn in them. Sorry, sneak attacking my kids with this nasty shit is just not right IMO. Common courtesy (decency) would be to put a sticker on the dash that mentions it so I could have called and had it disabled.

Nickelodeon is on the option list (comes with the dual flip down screens), I don't see porn on the option list or window sticker. How the hell would I know there's porn in there?

greencadillacmatt
05-31-11, 01:10 AM
Chrysler Town & County: Tripple X Edition

Didn't you see the tag on the rear hatch?

Koooop
05-31-11, 01:22 AM
It's called Satellite Radio, and much like SATELLITE TELEVISION, there is adults only programming. Also much like satellite television, you can have these channels restricted on a given receiver or all of your receivers. And to clarify, those channels are audio only (not Backseat TV).

Welcome to 2001, brah.

Audio only? The car came with headphones and a separate remote control for the audio system. Like many parents, I can only stand so many hours of kiddie books or now the disney channel. For love of god, someone save me from the disney channel!

I don't have the backseat TV option on this van, had it on the last van but the kids just barfed up a storm when they watched it while we drove. I didn't see the need for a $2,200 optional pair of drop down screens that would never get used for anything other than selling buicks.

I found that I can print the owners manual from the Chrysler web site (since it's not provided in printed form by Chrysler), I'll figure out how to lock them out of the porn and Howard.

Playdrv4me
05-31-11, 01:23 AM
Uh, I have no hard evidence, but I'm sure some of the fellow truckers I've heard over the air enjoy it. It wouldn't surprise me at all if truckers made up a large percentage of satellite radio's customer base - seems like almost all of them use it.

Hell I'm not even a trucker and the trucking network is one of the things I listen to the most.

Contrary to Kooop's belief, Sirius is *NOT* "aimed at children". The Backseat TV video product is the only part of the service that is targeted toward youngsters, however your vehicle has plenty of marketing materials available online, in the showroom, and via mail. It comes with a fully usable instruction manual and ALL of these reference materials inform you as to the use and ability of your car's entertainment system. While Chrysler may not specifically tell you what every single channel on the system is, the very fact that it's there should lead you to investigate it before you let your children play with it. "I wasn't warned" just plain doesn't apply here any more than it does to porn on Hotel TVs. I certainly don't see any warnings plastered on the TV or the walls of the room. It isn't until you get to the actual channel or content that you are warned, and if you aren't around your kids aren't going to give one flying iota about that warning.

In this case there aren't even pictures. I'm sure they'll be hearing much worse at any public school system.

Koooop
05-31-11, 01:26 AM
Chrysler Town & County: Tripple X Edition

Didn't you see the tag on the rear hatch?

If it was a GM it could be the Porner Brothers Edition?

Instead of putting fake wood on the outside they're putting some "Wood" in the inside!

I know they're trying to get men to buy minivans now, but I didn't see this in the ad for the new Manvan.

LOL

Playdrv4me
05-31-11, 01:40 AM
Furthermore, the even shittier part about this is that Chrysler was actually cool enough to include the WHOLE HOG top of the line package with their cars (unless this is a used van, in which case you received the PREVIOUS owner's not-yet-canceled subscription and this whole complaint is even more irrelevant). GM and other brands include the standard package (which I have) that does not include any of that. There's a saying about the fact that you can give people free stuff, and they'll still find a way to complain about it that totally applies here (and I'm even more pissed I can't remember it right now). So much for that generosity from Chrysler and Sirius.

Sorry I'm beating you up about this but I just think some personal responsibility is the order of the day here, rather than going and complaining to the government to fix it. It's just silly.

77CDV
05-31-11, 01:48 AM
Jeez, Ian, chill! I don't have kids (praise heaven), but I do know parents tend to get a bit irked when their kids are subjected to stuff they'd rather their kids didn't see. Unfortunately, kids are inquisitive creatures, so they generally end up seeing and hearing the forbidden stuff anyway. The truely intrepid ones go out of their way to do so, if only to annoy the parental units.

I can't say I'm surprised at the kids laughing at the whole thing. When you consider it from a dispassionate view, the sexual act and attendant language is hilarious.

Playdrv4me
05-31-11, 01:51 AM
i mad

77CDV
05-31-11, 01:54 AM
Have several drinks. All will be well.

Playdrv4me
05-31-11, 02:02 AM
Now here's the real tragedy, someone at Chrysler obviously doesn't know the difference between DISCS and DISKS!

http://www.chrysler.com/shared/2011/town_country/refined_interior/uconnect/secondary/11_c_tc_ri_uc_siriussatelliteRadio_sec.jpg

Driving around with a "hard" disc drive might give me some genuine cause for concern.

ga_etc
05-31-11, 02:13 AM
Sirius was included with the purchase of the car, a car that is intended to haul children (please note built in babyseats are an option, not a brass pole).

Am I the only one who thinks there's merit to that idea? Is there enough room for some twirling?

Koooop
05-31-11, 02:41 AM
Am I the only one who thinks there's merit to that idea? Is there enough room for some twirling?

I think you can get that set up aftermarket from the Childrens section of the Victoria's catalog.

Koooop
05-31-11, 03:06 AM
Furthermore, the even shittier part about this is that Chrysler was actually cool enough to include the WHOLE HOG top of the line package with their cars (unless this is a used van, in which case you received the PREVIOUS owner's not-yet-canceled subscription and this whole complaint is even more irrelevant). GM and other brands include the standard package (which I have) that does not include any of that. There's a saying about the fact that you can give people free stuff, and they'll still find a way to complain about it that totally applies here (and I'm even more pissed I can't remember it right now). So much for that generosity from Chrysler and Sirius.

Sorry I'm beating you up about this but I just think some personal responsibility is the order of the day here, rather than going and complaining to the government to fix it. It's just silly.


You're not beating me up, you think it's cool to put porn in front of children that's your own opinion and you are entitled to it. Personally I would have liked to decide if my kids should (NOT) have access to this stuff.

I don't know where you get this free and generosity stuff from, but nobody gave me anything FREE. This wasn't some hoopty ass used car. I generously paid for the car and it was brand spanking new, right off the showroom floor and I had absolutely no idea the car was equipped with porn channels. Seriously, who puts porn in a family car without locking it down?

You are absolutely right! My Cadillac(s) didn't include porn on Satellite or CD or Cassette or 8 Track, so the thought that I need to search the brand new family wagon for porn didn't cross my mind. If this car still has these channels when I sell it, I'll be kind enough to inform the buyer. It seems to me that is just common courtesy, my morals may not be very high, but at least I have them.

If someone wants wacking material in their car, that's a personal decision they should make. This was not my decision, someone made a decision for me. I don't see what the big deal about thinking that a sticker on the entertainment system might have been appropriate (considerate, moral, ethical etc...). I am 100% fine with Sirius having these channels and having the right to sell this product. But some judgement might be prudent, and you can be sure that since I now know it's there I will lock it down. So my responsibity will be covered.

ben.gators
05-31-11, 03:26 AM
So it's okay for someone to sell porn in an optional system that is specifcally designed to entertain children?

Sorry, it seems that I am missing something. What are we speaking about? It was a Sirius satellite radio installed in the dashboard just near to the driver? Or it was a backseat radio/tv for the passenger?

ga_etc
05-31-11, 03:31 AM
When you bought the van, did you pay for the expanded package of channels with the Sirius or was the service included?

ben.gators
05-31-11, 03:52 AM
Just one more thing.... I don't have children, and I am not even married! :D However more or less I can understand koooop's concerns. And it is a bit weird to hear that porn channels are available in the standard package. As far as I know no standard satellite TV package comes with porn channel. You need to specifically pay for those channels.

However the truth is sooner or latter a kid will get access to the porn, specially if he is after it, as I myself did when I was a kid, or I bet anyone reading my post has done it when he was a kid! Don't get me wrong. I am not saying it is OK to children to have access to the porn. I am just saying it can happen, school, internet, cable or satellite TV, cellphones and MMS, are possible ways to get access to the porn, and it is really hard to close any possible door. I am not saying let your kid have free access to the porn, just saying lock these channels and let this incident go......

Playdrv4me
05-31-11, 06:19 AM
You're not beating me up, you think it's cool to put porn in front of children that's your own opinion and you are entitled to it. Personally I would have liked to decide if my kids should (NOT) have access to this stuff.

WRONG. Your children, what they listen to or watch, and your ability (or inability) to insulate them from the world is actually none of my concern, and it *shouldn't* be.

However it IS my concern when people make it a point to involve uncle Sam in yet another aspect of our daily lives so that someone ELSE's hands end up involved in what I do or don't listen to when the information about what this system does and what it contains IS out there. This silly and over-reactive behavior is why we are often mocked for things like the Janet Jackson wardrobe scandal several years ago... especially considering nothing was even visible.

If you go to the Chrysler website, and navigate to the vehicle page for the Town and Country, you will see that Sirius Satellite Radio is INCLUDED for *FREE* for a period of one year's time from the date you purchased the vehicle. I have no idea what your definition of FREE is, or what it has to do with whether your car is 300.00 or 30,000.00, but the reality is, if it's something you otherwise would have had to pay for and it's being included at no charge IT'S FREE, complimentary etc. You obviously negotiated the price of your car no differently than you would have had the service not been included, so that's a moot point.

So now that I see my vehicle includes some kind of portal or service that MIGHT be accessible to my children, I'd make it a point to investigate what's included with that service, and what I can do to stop them from accessing certain parts of it. This might entail actually visiting the website for Sirius and XM which CLEARLY defines the boundaries of all of their content and media, along with ways to quickly identify stations that might pose a threat to younger listeners (for example, channels labeled "XL" warn that there is adult content on that channel). What I wouldn't do is run to the authorities AFTER the fact and whine so we can have yet another piece of legislation passed to put a 2 cent sticker on the face of every single satellite radio. If Sirius/XM did not offer the option to remove or block certain channels, AND CLEARLY label adult contented channels, then we'd have a discussion, but this is PRECISELY why they do.

Obviously, we should fault Chrysler/Sirius for making the mistake of including their Sirius/XM Everything package for customers to sample the entire breadth of their product line-up. Fine. The solution is to vote with your wallet and cancel the service entirely and/or not renew it, and inform others (as you prudently did here) so they can make their own decisions. In fact, it's probably a GOOD idea to suggest to both Chrysler and Sirius *DIRECTLY* that the silly sticker be implemented or that the Premier service not be included by default. Sirius/XM is a COMPLETELY subscriber supported service and they would likely take something like this QUITE seriously. But counting on some Attorney General to fix the problem only involves another layer of government and regulation on an issue that really doesn't merit it (and rarely does anything TRULY merit that kind of government intervention). I'm not one of those complete anti-government snobs either... things have their place, and if this dealer had for example, kept a rebate that was supposed to be passed on to you, then I'd have no trouble with informing the Attorney General.

In other words, I really don't take issue with your concerns about what happened, or that it's inappropriate for children to access that content. What I DID take issue with was your comment about getting some higher government authority involved to "fix" the problem. Why? Because, using Navigation systems as a GREAT example of this crap, it might start with a sticker, and then ends up as some ludicrous warning message I have to click through every single time I use my radio or a lockout that prevents my passenger from entering nav destinations in motion. Leaving aside the cost of those stickers and the fact eventually, the person paying for that will be me via my XM bill. It's just idiotic how out of hand this seemingly trite garbage can get.

DouglasJRizzo
05-31-11, 06:42 AM
Satellite radio can access all manner of programming including that which is adult content. It may or may not be restricted, depending on your receiver and contract. It's great when traveling out of your normal listening area, but one must be careful if you have young children. It's certainly not the dealer's fault, nor Chrysler. Quite frankly, I've driven past minivans and other vehicles with in car entertainment systems and had quite an eyeful as people have been watching hardcore porn and its visible thru the windows.

Destroyer
05-31-11, 09:39 AM
Personally I don't think there should be porn in a vehicle, period. Bad enough when drivers text while driving. I imagine wacking off while driving would be even more dangerous. :thehand:

thebigjimsho
05-31-11, 01:18 PM
So it's okay for someone to sell porn in an optional system that is specifcally designed to entertain children? Just a guess here, but you don't have kids do you? Uncensored is one thing, but nasty X rated stuff that makes Howard look G rated? Seriously?

Sirius was included with the purchase of the car, a car that is intended to haul children (please note built in babyseats are an option, not a brass pole).

I think a warning would be appropriate.

You should hear this stuff! It's hardcore porn, nothing less. I'm not sayin' that porn shouldn't be out there, I just think it shouldn't made available to a bunch of 2nd graders in a carpool without mentioning it to the parents. I've had rentals with Sirius, they didn't have porn in them. Sorry, sneak attacking my kids with this nasty shit is just not right IMO. Common courtesy (decency) would be to put a sticker on the dash that mentions it so I could have called and had it disabled.

Nickelodeon is on the option list (comes with the dual flip down screens), I don't see porn on the option list or window sticker. How the hell would I know there's porn in there?Sorry, koooop, you blew it.

You say you had rentals with Sirius but no porn. I question that statement because you didn't even know about Spice. I guarantee you that if you had Sirius, you had Spice. There may have been a small chance that it was disabled.

The onus is on you. Chrysler was "kind" enough to offer a free trial subscription to Sirius. It is a pay service. Like ANY pay service with broad programming, there will probably be something to disable. You said you do it for TV at home. Like Ian said, welcome to 2001. Sirius and XM have been around for awhile. So long that I'm surprised anyone of any age bracket below 65 wouldn't know about how satellite radio works.

Chrysler puts these radios in the cars and they activate them all for a trial period. You think the dealer or Chrysler is going to go through all the paperwork to disable a few channels for only vehicles that may have children? Instead of them guessing who will or won't want this channel or that, let the parent decide.

Sorry that you didn't understand how satellite radio worked, Kooop. But you need to be more vigilant. Not anyone else...

thebigjimsho
05-31-11, 01:21 PM
Personally I don't think there should be porn in a vehicle, period. Bad enough when drivers text while driving. I imagine wacking off while driving would be even more dangerous. :thehand:
So now Sirius and XM need to worry about what radios will be stationary and which will be mobile? What about the units that are made to be mounted in the car and also used in the home.

Let parents do what they're supposed to and let satellite radio broadcast what people want. If you don't like it or are too nervous about the kiddies, then disable the whole damn thing and sing to your kids.

JimmyH
05-31-11, 02:17 PM
WRONG. Your children, what they listen to or watch, and your ability (or inability) to insulate them from the world is actually none of my concern, and it *shouldn't* be.

Spoken like someone who doesn't have kids :lol:

Koooop
05-31-11, 04:44 PM
It's getting more bizarre. I believe that Sirius bought XM which is in my V. I haven't driven the V in a week, but XM came on in the Caddy! WTF?

Koooop
05-31-11, 05:42 PM
Sorry, koooop, you blew it.

You say you had rentals with Sirius but no porn. I question that statement because you didn't even know about Spice. I guarantee you that if you had Sirius, you had Spice. There may have been a small chance that it was disabled.

The onus is on you. Chrysler was "kind" enough to offer a free trial subscription to Sirius. It is a pay service. Like ANY pay service with broad programming, there will probably be something to disable. You said you do it for TV at home. Like Ian said, welcome to 2001. Sirius and XM have been around for awhile. So long that I'm surprised anyone of any age bracket below 65 wouldn't know about how satellite radio works.

Chrysler puts these radios in the cars and they activate them all for a trial period. You think the dealer or Chrysler is going to go through all the paperwork to disable a few channels for only vehicles that may have children? Instead of them guessing who will or won't want this channel or that, let the parent decide.

Sorry that you didn't understand how satellite radio worked, Kooop. But you need to be more vigilant. Not anyone else...

Your guarantee seems to be completely wrong.

As I mentioned, the Sirius came on in my Caddy. No Spice or porn in there and I checked every channel in the car this morning to be sure. You are 100% wrong on that statement.

You are 100% right on the "let the parent decide" idea. My request is that they inform the parent with a simple warning label on the screen of the radio. I could have just called an 800 number and dealt with it on the spot. No issue, no harm, no foul.

And you brought up a great point of ALL Sirius radios could have Spice on them. I guess the portables will have to be banned from the schools. (Unless your wisdom says Sirius should go unchecked in schools too). Thanks for tip, I just made the call to the local school district board of supervisors. I realize you think this a joke to be made light of, but then you probably don't have kids. Would you leave Sirius Porn turned on in your limo if you were charged with delivering kids (how about Eric Holders grandkids)somewhere? Would you not say anything and just leave the porn on figuring "the parents will tell me if they want it off?" I'm sure you'd have some seriously angry folks to deal with if you knowingly exposed kiddies to porn and tried your "it's your fault, you should have known" reasoning. I don't believe for a second that you would be so careless.

You raise some good points, now I have some direction to take this.

I think what I have is a Premium service plan in the Van, but not in the Caddy. I'm really not concerned or "nervious" about it, since I know it's there and I can easily control it. I can't imagine there isn't some way to password the PG+ channels in the van, the dash mounted entertainment system is pretty slick.

Koooop
05-31-11, 05:53 PM
WRONG. Your children, what they listen to or watch, and your ability (or inability) to insulate them from the world is actually none of my concern, and it *shouldn't* be.

However it IS my concern when people make it a point to involve uncle Sam in yet another aspect of our daily lives so that someone ELSE's hands end up involved in what I do or don't listen to when the information about what this system does and what it contains IS out there. This silly and over-reactive behavior is why we are often mocked for things like the Janet Jackson wardrobe scandal several years ago... especially considering nothing was even visible.

If you go to the Chrysler website, and navigate to the vehicle page for the Town and Country, you will see that Sirius Satellite Radio is INCLUDED for *FREE* for a period of one year's time from the date you purchased the vehicle. I have no idea what your definition of FREE is, or what it has to do with whether your car is 300.00 or 30,000.00, but the reality is, if it's something you otherwise would have had to pay for and it's being included at no charge IT'S FREE, complimentary etc. You obviously negotiated the price of your car no differently than you would have had the service not been included, so that's a moot point.

So now that I see my vehicle includes some kind of portal or service that MIGHT be accessible to my children, I'd make it a point to investigate what's included with that service, and what I can do to stop them from accessing certain parts of it. This might entail actually visiting the website for Sirius and XM which CLEARLY defines the boundaries of all of their content and media, along with ways to quickly identify stations that might pose a threat to younger listeners (for example, channels labeled "XL" warn that there is adult content on that channel). What I wouldn't do is run to the authorities AFTER the fact and whine so we can have yet another piece of legislation passed to put a 2 cent sticker on the face of every single satellite radio. If Sirius/XM did not offer the option to remove or block certain channels, AND CLEARLY label adult contented channels, then we'd have a discussion, but this is PRECISELY why they do.

Obviously, we should fault Chrysler/Sirius for making the mistake of including their Sirius/XM Everything package for customers to sample the entire breadth of their product line-up. Fine. The solution is to vote with your wallet and cancel the service entirely and/or not renew it, and inform others (as you prudently did here) so they can make their own decisions. In fact, it's probably a GOOD idea to suggest to both Chrysler and Sirius *DIRECTLY* that the silly sticker be implemented or that the Premier service not be included by default. Sirius/XM is a COMPLETELY subscriber supported service and they would likely take something like this QUITE seriously. But counting on some Attorney General to fix the problem only involves another layer of government and regulation on an issue that really doesn't merit it (and rarely does anything TRULY merit that kind of government intervention). I'm not one of those complete anti-government snobs either... things have their place, and if this dealer had for example, kept a rebate that was supposed to be passed on to you, then I'd have no trouble with informing the Attorney General.

In other words, I really don't take issue with your concerns about what happened, or that it's inappropriate for children to access that content. What I DID take issue with was your comment about getting some higher government authority involved to "fix" the problem. Why? Because, using Navigation systems as a GREAT example of this crap, it might start with a sticker, and then ends up as some ludicrous warning message I have to click through every single time I use my radio or a lockout that prevents my passenger from entering nav destinations in motion. Leaving aside the cost of those stickers and the fact eventually, the person paying for that will be me via my XM bill. It's just idiotic how out of hand this seemingly trite garbage can get.

Well, we disagree, I think .02 cent sticker would have resolved the issue and been a cheap, easy fix.

This stuff sure isn't in my Caddy.

JimmyH
05-31-11, 06:09 PM
This is a pointless debate. Folks with kids are on one side of the argument, folks without kids are on the other side.

I agree with them that you don't have a leg to stand on in this argument Koooop. But I disagree with them that you are wrong.

I have accepted that I can't shield my kids from this stuff. So I have resigned myself to explaining all the despicable things that exist in this world to them after the fact. That doesn't mean I have to like it.

Playdrv4me
05-31-11, 06:19 PM
I'll also concede that maybe I'm missing the human side of the argument a little not having kids of my own. It just bugged me that this started out as a thoughtful gesture from Chrysler and Sirius, there was an accident, and it suddenly became an issue for the government to handle. Those leaps in reason can be very dangerous.

Sure it might help Chrysler sell a car, and yes exposing you to their programming for free might get you to sign up for a Sirius account... but then GM and others typically only give 3 to 6 months of preview service max. 1 year of Premier at no cost is a very nice gesture, and I'm certain that no harm to anyone's children was intended.

Koooop
05-31-11, 06:25 PM
When you bought the van, did you pay for the expanded package of channels with the Sirius or was the service included?

This must be the case, I must have an expanded package of channels. I'll pull out the contract tonight and have a look.

Koooop
05-31-11, 07:16 PM
This is a pointless debate. Folks with kids are on one side of the argument, folks without kids are on the other side.

I agree with them that you don't have a leg to stand on in this argument Koooop. But I disagree with them that you are wrong.

I have accepted that I can't shield my kids from this stuff. So I have resigned myself to explaining all the despicable things that exist in this world to them after the fact. That doesn't mean I have to like it.

We cannot shield our children in so many situations, but when we can we should. I'm not going to knowingly put that stuff within the reach of little kids, I'm sure you wouldn't knowingly hand your's headphones and a remote if you knew this was in the system. If they find it somewhere else, sobeit, I can't stop that. But I will do what I can, wherever I can to keep a healthy environment for my kids and the kids around our home and school. My kids will need a lifetime of therapy just from being raised by me as it is!

Sirius in the car is a great idea, but a warning is needed and not an unreasonable expectation. Just like Video games, Movies, Wii and CD's a rating system would be appropriate.

The older child found this in the system (I was in the garage at the time), the look on the face was priceless! The kid was beet red and changing the channel as quickly as possible. It was hard not to laugh out loud. These things are inevitable.

I am going to have a second system installed in the back of the van (so the kids won't fight and I don't have to listen to that friggin' Disney Channel anymore, I'm having Bieber nightmares!). But at least I know to check the thing out now to see just what other channels are hiding in there.

I'll be making some effort to make sure other parents that (like myself) aren't tech dweebs are informed.

77CDV
06-01-11, 01:00 AM
Don't joke, they're selling two pieces to 9-year-olds now.