: Your favorite car you cannot buy in the United States . . . .



Aron9000
05-26-11, 12:23 AM
For me it would be the Holden Ute. Great handling dynamics, ls series v8 power, manual or automatic transmission with the v8, and a bed to haul crap. You can get them in reg cab or crew cab as well. Why can't trucks be this much fun to drive in the US?

http://www.duemotori.com/foto/2007/16583/thumbs400/1.jpg

Stingroo
05-26-11, 12:44 AM
http://vehicle-pedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/imgAudi-RS61.jpg

Duh? :)

Holden Ute comes in a close second though... no joke.

drewsdeville
05-26-11, 12:51 AM
^^^ Win. Definitely a cool hatch from Audi.

Though, when it comes to the utes, replace that Holden with Ford's competition with the Falcon. Not only does it look better (subjective), but it has an I-6 base engine at 275hp, a turbo I-6 model that matches the Holden V8 at 362hp, and it takes it one step further with a V8 model at 422hp. I believe Fords newer 5.0 either will be or has already been introduced, in supercharged form, (above 450hp?) Combine that with a 6 speed and an awesome chassis and it's all sorts of pwnage :stirpot:

http://img2.netcarshow.com/Ford-FG_Falcon_Ute_XR6_Turbo_2008_1024x768_wallpaper_01 .jpg

gdwriter
05-26-11, 12:53 AM
^^^ Holy smokes! A Ranchero!

Stingroo
05-26-11, 12:54 AM
Yeah. I think US Ford and Aussie Ford should just switch product lineups entirely, but let us keep the Mustang.

I never understood why the rest of the world got some of Ford's best product while we in the states were left with absolute crap. Focus immediately comes to mind here.

orconn
05-26-11, 01:02 AM
Like the concept of the Audi (whicjh unfortunately it is still and Audi), but make mine an Alfa Romeo 159 Sportwagon with a garage companion of a Spider!

Stingroo
05-26-11, 01:07 AM
My friend with the 164 would KILL for the wagon variant:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/180545_146815115378183_100001490862364_278687_4318 899_n.jpg

Unfortunately, it is powered by the wrong wheels.

orconn
05-26-11, 01:18 AM
My friend with the 164 would KILL for the wagon variant:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/180545_146815115378183_100001490862364_278687_4318 899_n.jpg

Unfortunately, it is powered by the wrong wheels.

In the case of the 164 and 159 (current replacement for the 164) front wheel drive yields handling on a par with a BMW. But for those who are skeptical the cars also can be had with all wheel drive.

Stingroo
05-26-11, 01:19 AM
He claims his handles amazingly well.

I have yet to ride in the beast, though....

MauiV
05-26-11, 01:36 AM
Holden Commodore or Audi RS6

Aron9000
05-26-11, 02:59 AM
^^^ Win. Definitely a cool hatch from Audi.

Though, when it comes to the utes, replace that Holden with Ford's competition with the Falcon. Not only does it look better (subjective), but it has an I-6 base engine at 275hp, a turbo I-6 model that matches the Holden V8 at 362hp, and it takes it one step further with a V8 model at 422hp. I believe Fords newer 5.0 either will be or has already been introduced, in supercharged form, (above 450hp?) Combine that with a 6 speed and an awesome chassis and it's all sorts of pwnage :stirpot:

http://img2.netcarshow.com/Ford-FG_Falcon_Ute_XR6_Turbo_2008_1024x768_wallpaper_01 .jpg

Ford Falcon is an awesome machine as well. I'd do the turbo inline six in one of those though, as turbo motors can generally gain 50-100hp on a simple tune and exhaust.

Honestly if I were in Auz and had the $$$ to blow on that type of car, the decision would come down to the test drive. Both the Commodore and Falcon are just amazing machines that I wish we had in this country.

greencadillacmatt
05-26-11, 04:10 AM
If I were to go the Ute route, then I think mine would have to be the Holden Maloo. 425HP, anyone? I so don't understand why these (and the Falcons) can't be had over here.
http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp126/greencadillacmatt/HoldenMaloo.jpg

Another choice would be the Alfa-Romeo Brera. The look of these things gets me every time. :D
http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp126/greencadillacmatt/BreraDesktop.jpg

Stoneage_Caddy
05-26-11, 08:37 AM
Im a euro ford junkie
my list:
Ford RS200
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/Ford_RS200.jpg/250px-Ford_RS200.jpg
Ford RS500
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Cosworth800px.jpg/240px-Cosworth800px.jpg

gary88
05-26-11, 07:26 PM
M3 csl

ga_etc
05-26-11, 11:39 PM
Im a euro ford junkie
my list:
Ford RS200
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/Ford_RS200.jpg/250px-Ford_RS200.jpg
Ford RS500
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Cosworth800px.jpg/240px-Cosworth800px.jpg

RS500 = Merker XR4Ti
http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2009/10/10/13/46/1989_merkur_xr4ti-pic-5551618184570553436.jpeg

JimmyH
05-26-11, 11:53 PM
http://vehicle-pedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/imgAudi-RS61.jpg

Duh? :)

Holden Ute comes in a close second though... no joke.


That thing makes your Caprice look like a light-weight.

Stingroo
05-26-11, 11:59 PM
That thing is amazing. While not as powerful as the Vatch, it's soooooooooo much better looking (ugly ass tail lamps - I'm looking at you).

cadillac kevin
05-27-11, 12:32 AM
I'd say the entire holden and ford AU lines. every time I see one of them I'm envious that we here in north america, home of ford and GM, get crap while australia gets badass wagons and car/truck things. closest we ever got were the merkur and the G8 (which didnt even compare to australias menacing HSV line)

MauiV
05-27-11, 01:17 AM
Since Ford Motor Company doesnt sell a model in the US that my wife likes the looks of or that I like enough to own I would have to go overseas for:

Focus 500RS, a Focus worth actually owning

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/jdinmaui/02%20cars/1focus-500rs.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/jdinmaui/02%20cars/focus2.jpg


Or the Australian Falcon

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/jdinmaui/02%20cars/ford_falcon_02.jpg

The UK even got a cool Escort and no one here even thought that was achievable....

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/jdinmaui/02%20cars/Ford-Escort-Modified.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/jdinmaui/clarkson_cosworth_8.jpg
This was actually Jeremy Clarksons

Stingroo
05-27-11, 01:27 AM
Hey - you can't use "cool" and "Escort" in the same sentence like that... can you?


Focus 500 RS is sweet. We need that thing.

MauiV
05-27-11, 01:33 AM
Hey - you can't use "cool" and "Escort" in the same sentence like that... can you?

Cosworth makes virtually anything cool

gdwriter
05-27-11, 01:41 AM
Even a Vega.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-27-11, 01:56 AM
My choice....off the top of my head, the Holden/Opel that the G8 was based off of. Commodore sounds right.

JimmyH
05-27-11, 02:03 PM
Hey - you can't use "cool" and "Escort" in the same sentence like that... can you?


Focus 500 RS is sweet. We need that thing.


Brand new escort here. I haven't read any reviews, but it looks much nicer than the outgoing.

gary88
05-27-11, 05:09 PM
hmmmmm

The Raven
05-27-11, 11:18 PM
HSV GTS E2

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/1938/aussieholdenhsve2rangeg.jpg

http://img2.netcarshow.com/HSV-E_Series_GTS_2007_800x600_wallpaper_08.jpg

JimmyH
05-28-11, 04:47 PM
good lord. Even holden has the audi lights now. will it never end?

orconn
05-28-11, 05:21 PM
I really wish Citroen would again come back to the U.S., we are missing the opportunity to enjoy something really a little different and in many ways superior in automotive design. I really wish I could buy one of Citroen's C6 luxury sedans on these shores, especially the super gas frugal diesel variant. Nothing would be better to cover the long distances we have here in American than one of superbly comfortable, high quality, frugal distance burners. The strong torque get you on your way quickly in city conditions and provides reasonable acceleration at the freeway speeds permitted today, all the while giving fuel mileage and fuel source toleration not even distantly equaled by gas engined cars today.

Perhaps Citroen's day has come in the U.S.!

JimmyH
05-28-11, 05:38 PM
The French hate Americans. So I hate them.

orconn
05-28-11, 05:54 PM
The French hate Americans. So I hate them.

Boy, are you misinformed. The French people, as opposed to the yammering of some French officials, actually like Americans and mimick and enjoy American things and people. Americans, like the French, are very touchy about criticism of any kind ... hence they both get their fur up when criticized.

I hope you will not let unfounded prejudice from enjoying many delightful things other peoples have to offer.

JimmyH
05-28-11, 07:25 PM
um, I have been to France. I heard "stupid American" more times than I could count. If looks could kill, I would have been dead dozens of times over. I got the message. And I would never go back.

Doesn't matter regardless. There is nothing Citroen, Renault or Peugeot that interests me. I used to be a Nissan die hard, until Renault stepped in and thoroughly screwed them up. Furthermore, my two experiences with Michelin resulted in udder disappointment. And I refuse to spend the exorbitant sums their well rated tires command.

Stingroo
05-28-11, 08:03 PM
Udder?

http://www.nataliedee.com/041609/your-friend-the-anthropomorphic-cow-udder.jpg



Nissan... meh. Renault... meh.

Jesda
05-28-11, 08:04 PM
French cars are junk, but there's a sprinkling of cool junk.

Nothing comes to mind though. Citroen C6?

Stingroo
05-28-11, 08:47 PM
Le Car?

JimmyH
05-28-11, 11:33 PM
udder. utter? which is it? I was never good in English.

Stingroo
05-28-11, 11:43 PM
You want "utter". I posted "udder". :lol: It's all good.

JimmyH
05-29-11, 12:41 AM
udderly

cadillac kevin
05-29-11, 01:31 AM
HSV GTS E2

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/1938/aussieholdenhsve2rangeg.jpg

http://img2.netcarshow.com/HSV-E_Series_GTS_2007_800x600_wallpaper_08.jpg

too bad they couldnt have brought it over here just like that and put poncho badges on it. better yet- imagine a HSV wagon. I'd buy one in a heartbeat. rwd-check.
asphalt melting torque- check.
an actual wagon- check.
It would be like the vista cruiser but more badass looking.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-29-11, 02:35 AM
I like a lot of the Citroens, especially the big luxury saloons or the sporty coupes. Good performance, lots of luxury items and truly unique engineering and design.

greencadillacmatt
05-29-11, 04:01 AM
Hmm. I forgot the French made cars. If I were to get a French car, then it'd be a Citroen C6. I've heard the suspension is rediculously smooth.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj-fAlV_w_g

Aron9000
05-31-11, 06:10 AM
The first thing that pops into my mind when you mention Citroen is weirdness. As in 1950's to early 90's Saab weirdness. But in a good way, if only you could find parts and a mechanic on this continent.

http://www.fquick.com/images/vehicles/full/34732339535.jpg (http://www.fquick.com/garages/viewgallery.php?action=viewimg&id=339535)

http://www.fquick.com/images/vehicles/full/34732339536.jpg (http://www.fquick.com/garages/viewgallery.php?action=viewimg&id=339536)

orconn
05-31-11, 12:57 PM
^^^ Yes the CX was a really interesting car. A neighbor of mine in California had a "grey market" Citroen CX top of the line "Pallas." While certainly different, it had a logic and beauty all its' own. And for those that think the French make poor quality, cheap cars a close inspection of this car (or a Citroen SM) would change their mind.

A ride through the cobbled streets of Paris, or trip down a rutted Africa road at some speed would show the benefits of the Citroen's pneumatic suspension. A long ride on the an Auto Route from Paris to a town in the French Riviera would reveal how ultimately comfortable and roadable these senior Citroens can be. in

gary88
06-02-11, 08:50 PM
I have a pamphlet for a Renault Megane that I got in Poland

:coolstorybro:

http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af175/gheb882/d6026a8b.jpg

http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af175/gheb882/11d2d17d.jpg

greencadillacmatt
06-02-11, 11:13 PM
Oooh, also the Renault Avantime. Sure, it looks like a 2-door minivan, but I think it's funky and different enough to be cool. Again, I've heard the suspension is super smooth, and the fact that it's TRULY pillarless when all the glass goes down is freaking awesome.
http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp126/greencadillacmatt/Avantime.jpg

The interior looks very lavish as well. It all looks very soft and comfortable.
http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp126/greencadillacmatt/AvantimeInsides.jpg

Aron9000
06-03-11, 01:33 AM
^^^ Yes the CX was a really interesting car. A neighbor of mine in California had a "grey market" Citroen CX top of the line "Pallas." While certainly different, it had a logic and beauty all its' own. And for those that think the French make poor quality, cheap cars a close inspection of this car (or a Citroen SM) would change their mind.

A ride through the cobbled streets of Paris, or trip down a rutted Africa road at some speed would show the benefits of the Citroen's pneumatic suspension. A long ride on the an Auto Route from Paris to a town in the French Riviera would reveal how ultimately comfortable and roadable these senior Citroens can be. in

Looking at the overstuffed black leather seats in that car, you could tell it was something special, that it was a legit luxury ride. That particular car was a 5 speed manual too. Like I said, it would be an interesting car I'd like to own if parts/service were readily available.

Stingroo
06-03-11, 04:18 AM
Ew center mounted instrument panel in that Renault thing Matt posted.

DO NOT WANT.

cadillac kevin
06-03-11, 09:27 AM
wheres the radio and the climate control? I'm confused

Stingroo
06-03-11, 10:17 AM
It's French. There's no radio for a good reason. :lol:

(I kid, I kid.)

ga_etc
06-03-11, 04:00 PM
Looks like the climate controls are on the left of the steering wheel. And I'd guess the radio controls are behind a panel on the dash.

JimmyH
06-03-11, 04:56 PM
Ew center mounted instrument panel in that Renault thing Matt posted.

DO NOT WANT.

+1
I'll never understand the centered gauges

concorso
06-03-11, 06:17 PM
An Alfa Romeo Brera with awd and their version of GM's LY7 V6. I love the Brera. Ive never been a fan of that alfa front end, but I after seeing one in person, I think that design works well on the Brera.

concorso
06-03-11, 06:21 PM
http://vehicle-pedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/imgAudi-RS61.jpg
I think the RS6 Avant is the ultimate all-weather daily driver. Tonnes of power, good handling, loads or storage, understated but good looking design inside and out. V10, 2 turbos, DCT, near 600 hp, arguably the greatest awd system available...whats not to love other then the price?

For me, the ultimate 2 car garage right now would be an RS6 for a daily year-round vehicle, while having a CTS-V Coupe with a factory track package a la BMW CSL for a wknd car.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
06-04-11, 02:28 AM
Oooh, also the Renault Avantime. Sure, it looks like a 2-door minivan, but I think it's funky and different enough to be cool. Again, I've heard the suspension is super smooth, and the fact that it's TRULY pillarless when all the glass goes down is freaking awesome.
http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp126/greencadillacmatt/Avantime.jpg

The interior looks very lavish as well. It all looks very soft and comfortable.
http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp126/greencadillacmatt/AvantimeInsides.jpg

Reminds me of a late model Nissan Quest.

JimmyH
06-04-11, 12:27 PM
It should since Renault took over Nissan. And ruined them.