: How's this for "driving excitement"?



I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-24-11, 09:44 PM
It's weird to think that Pontiac used to make cars like this...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2675/3857069842_89b2f47d84.jpg
http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/1957-1987-pontiac-bonneville-14.jpg
http://www.adsinusa.com/p/3776/3776l17011b.jpg
http://autogaleria.hu/autok/pontiac/bonneville-brougham-1979/pontiac_bonneville-brougham-1979_r2.jpg

With interiors like these....
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5220/5469409675_ec3ec565dd.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5260/5512163970_3613237284.jpg
http://www.chooseyouritem.com/classics/photos/274000/274287-7.1979.Pontiac.Bonneville.Brougham.4-Door.Sedan.jpg

The shrunken Bonneville Brougham was made from 1977-81, and returned from 1984-86 as the Parisienne Brougham. It was priced in between the LeSabre/Eighty Eight/Caprice and the more expensive Electra and Ninety Eight. They also didn't produce or sell as many of these as the other B body variants...I wonder why...

Stingroo
05-24-11, 09:49 PM
I really wish those snowflakes came in 5x5. I'd rock a set in a heartbeat.

jayoldschool
05-24-11, 09:58 PM
Sting... those ARE 5x5 snowflakes. Full size ponchos were 5x5. Get hunting!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-24-11, 10:00 PM
Those snowflake wheels are the shit. They've gotta be one of the best wheels from that era IMO, but then again I was raised on "Smokey And The Bandit". :lol:

In the B/D body groups, the Pontiacs are always overlooked/ignored. I'd rock the hell out of a nice Bonneville Brougham...not so much the Parisienne...the interiors in the later ones weren't as over the top as the earlier ones, and the Parisiennes were much more of a Caprice knock off than the Bonnevilles were.

96Fleetwood
05-24-11, 10:02 PM
The Parisienne was a cool car! I really liked the Parisienne and Olds 98; they weren't as common as the Lesabre, Electra, Caprice, or Brougham. My parents had a '84 Parisienne Safari wagon when I was growing up... so I bought one back in 2007:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j69/leloz/safariwag.jpg

It felt much more like a Buick or Chevy than a Pontiac. The guy who bought it from me put a 455 Rocket it in :lildevil:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-24-11, 10:04 PM
When I was a kid (like 5-6 years old), my neighbors had a mid '80s Safari wagon...woodgrain and all...I remember thinking how big and boxy it was for a Pontiac.

Bro-Ham
05-24-11, 10:23 PM
The 77-81 Bonneville and Catalina were really nice looking cars, especially the coupes. Pontiac weakened with the imagined threat of astronomical fuel prices, as did Chrysler, and dropped full size cars after '81. By the time Pontiac brought the big cars back, with the same old fashioned sheet metal, the big car trend had tilted towards Buick and Cadillac for traditional full-size rear drive buyers and Pontiac clearly felt they could not keep on making their own Buick with the outdated Parisienne in an era when they were trying to build "excitement." Too bad they screwed up such an all American recipe when the Bonneville Coupe with those bucket seats and Trans Am wheels was such a unique big car winner in 79 but they had no equivalent with the obtuse opera lighted wire wheel covered 86 Parisienne Brougham Sedan. :)

Stingroo
05-24-11, 10:58 PM
Sting... those ARE 5x5 snowflakes. Full size ponchos were 5x5. Get hunting!

Holy shit seriously? I assumed those shared smaller pattern like almost everything else.

MUST. FIND. I have a new mission in life.

drewsdeville
05-24-11, 11:02 PM
While the bolt pattern might work, I doubt the offset dimension stayed the same after all of those years of suspension, hub, and brake revisions (if you want to throw them on the Caprice). It's worth a shot, though.

jayoldschool
05-24-11, 11:02 PM
Yep, the inserts were body coloured. There was a coupe on my way to work last year. Metallic blue, with snoflakes to match. Disappeared after a couple of days.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-24-11, 11:03 PM
I wonder if the Pontiac B bodies are a lot cheaper to get into than the Buick and Olds models....

Stingroo
05-24-11, 11:11 PM
I'd guess no. I rarely, if ever, see them and I bet production was significantly less.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-24-11, 11:13 PM
Man, Pontiac used to have a really cool line up....all their stuff got so watered down through the years... in the last few years the only thing worthwhile was the Trans Ams, G8s and Solstices, and to a lesser extent the SSEis, GXP's and GTPs.

Stingroo
05-24-11, 11:14 PM
Yep. :(

Sad too... I still get sad over what a current-Camaro-turned-Firebird might have been....

ThumperPup
05-24-11, 11:26 PM
I remember the Parisienne my Uncle drove one for the longest
omg he crammed him the wife and the 4 kids in that thing 3 times a year for a raod trip from NYC to Cleveland how he did it i have no idea

cadillac kevin
05-24-11, 11:57 PM
my dad had a stripped down '77 catalina safari with a set of progressive rims and a bunch of JC whitney parts. it was still nicer than a base caprice by a mile (but nowhere near as nice as his '77 impala wagon). the poncho rode semi soft and had the basic 301. it was a dog, but it had over 300k on it when it finally died. we were going down the interstate in the middle of nowhere when he let it unwind. holy shit it was crazy fast (prolly doing over 100- passed cars that were doing 70 like they were parked). then 6 freeze plugs blew out and it went up in a crapload of smoke. hows that for driving excitement? ended up getting a ride in some guys bronco 2 that we had blown by a mile or 2 back. we were going so fast we couldnt see the engine smoking (guy in bronco said the smoke was goin out of the hood corners and underneath the car and back down the sides of the car below the windows) put new freeze plugs in it and it was good for a few more months until it threw a rod at 300xxx+ miles.

Jesda
05-25-11, 12:09 AM
I never understood Pontiac's full size cars. How does the brand that's focused on performance go out and build a land barge? The modern day Bonneville was at least a sport sedan. The Parisienne was a house on wheels.

That said, I do think that if they fit, the snowflake wheels would be kind of retro-snazzy on the Caprice.

Aron9000
05-25-11, 01:01 AM
^ Agreed. In the 60's the Bonneville and Catalina did indeed look sporty and handled better than the competition.

greencadillacmatt
05-25-11, 02:27 AM
I really like the early sixties Bonnevilles and their "Wider is Better" marketing technique. :D

Playdrv4me
05-25-11, 03:34 AM
These and the Caprices were... acceptable, in the realm of all those '80s boxes I despise so heavily. (In my best Commander Worf tone).

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-25-11, 07:43 AM
I never understood Pontiac's full size cars. How does the brand that's focused on performance go out and build a land barge? The modern day Bonneville was at least a sport sedan. The Parisienne was a house on wheels.

I guess back then Pontiac's mission in the realms of GM wasn't as clear cut as it was in the last 15 years...or maybe it was just fashionable to have a full sized, fairly luxurious sedan back then.

MauiV
05-25-11, 09:48 PM
Yep. :(

Sad too... I still get sad over what a current-Camaro-turned-Firebird might have been....

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/jdinmaui/02%20cars/transamconcept.jpg

My first car:

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/jdinmaui/02%20cars/scan0002.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/jdinmaui/02%20cars/scan0003.jpg

My other favorite Pontiacs

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/jdinmaui/02%20cars/Stuff017.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/jdinmaui/02%20cars/Stuff018.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/jdinmaui/02%20cars/Stuff038.jpg

Needs Honeycombs

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/jdinmaui/02%20cars/Stuff036.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/jdinmaui/02%20cars/Stuff033.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/jdinmaui/02%20cars/1969_Pontiac_GTO_Judge_ad.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/jdinmaui/02%20cars/Pontiac_G8_GXP_2009.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/jdinmaui/02%20cars/G8.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/jdinmaui/02%20cars/AC006.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/jdinmaui/02%20cars/AC004.jpg

Aron9000
05-25-11, 10:41 PM
A few of my favorite Pontiacs:

1998-2002 Firehawk
http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/1654/2581/29133790041_large.jpg

1965 Pontiac Catalina 2+2
Yeah, a full size car with bucket seats, 4 speed manual, and 421 tri-power v8. This is my all time favorite Pontiac. I love the GTO's as well, but you don't see the Catalinas and Bonnevilles at the car shows.
http://autocarsnews.info/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/1965-Pontiac-Catalina-2+2-Convertible-Picture.jpg

1961 Pontiac Tempest
This car was really ahead of its time IMO. Independent rear suspension, transmission mounted in the rear next to the differential, 50/50 weight distribution, optional all aluminum buick v8, plus I really like the styling.
http://oldcarandtruckpictures.com/Pontiac/1961PontiacTempestCoupe-aug10a.jpg

jayoldschool
05-25-11, 10:52 PM
While the bolt pattern might work, I doubt the offset dimension stayed the same after all of those years of suspension, hub, and brake revisions (if you want to throw them on the Caprice). It's worth a shot, though.

The dimensions all remained the same. The only thing that changed is the switch from imperial to metric lugs. The actual chassis/suspension/brakes didn't change from 1977 through 1996.

Since we're having a Pontiac full size love in, here's mine. Sorry about the old school "photo of a photo"... I'll shoot some new ones this summer.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/jayoldschool/HPIM1986.jpg

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/jayoldschool/HPIM1985.jpg

cadillac kevin
05-25-11, 11:25 PM
^thats a badass car jason (love the rims btw). what all mods did you do to it?

jayoldschool
05-25-11, 11:38 PM
Intake/carb/ignition/duals. White leather D'Elegance seats, big stereo, matching billet steering wheel. Bagged with Slam Specialties bags. Body: full dechrome. Vinyl top delete, nosed, decked, all trim holes welded up, bumper bolts shaved, jack holes filled. 80s Caprice mirrors. Shaved door handles, gear driven door latch releases actuated by remote control with door poppers, remote power trunk release.

I think that's it...

orconn
05-25-11, 11:46 PM
I never owned a Pontiac (although I still wouldn't mind having a last generation "GTO," but I take that back we did have a 1977 Firebird that was my wife's first brand new car, but I certainly enjoyed the ones my friends had. I think the "big bodied" Pontiacs were mostly sold in the Midwest where folks that weren't satisfied with a Chevy to haul their large families down the interminable straight roads of the Great Plains. I do know that by seventies large Pontiac had pretty much disappeared from the roads of the West Coast, or at least California. Before and after the war Pontiacs were sort of a "yuppy" favorite for young professionals just starting out in their careers. My Dad had a couple of them prior to moving on the 1940 Packard. In the fifties the Olds Rocket 88's were the hot cars and Pontiacs, which still had straight engines until 1955, were a retirees choice during that decade. The 1960's changed all that as the division starting putting out some "hot" cars in wide stance configuration. Pontiac made an initial stab at the performance market in 1957 and 1958 with the fuel injected Bonnevilles, but these proved troublesome and sold in very limited numbers. The sixties were really the "Pontiac decade' with a number of really cool moderately priced cars for the youth market. The big bodied cars of this era were really just around for those who would have bought a Mercury if GM didn't have anything in their price range.

gdwriter
05-26-11, 12:20 AM
I love Sixties Bonnevilles. They have a certain swagger:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_9LGWMtR2Qn8/TGVdGMFRaII/AAAAAAAAAQQ/PE37p-rlPJU/s1600/585S+1965+Pontiac+Bonneville+Convertible+070904.jp g

http://www.picturearchive.co.za/Images/large_1965+pontiac+bonneville+4dr+hardtop-01.jpg

http://www.classicpontiacs.com/sixties/b-bodies/1969/photos/marc_69.jpg

greencadillacmatt
05-26-11, 02:52 AM
^I like those. A lot. :thumbsup:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-26-11, 07:32 AM
After doing a little research on the classic Pontiacs, I'm most impressed by the 1966 and 1969 Pontiacs as a whole. All the lines from those years had a real nice look to them, inside and out.

cadillac kevin
05-26-11, 08:37 AM
I'm a pretty big fan of the 70's grand prixs and grand ams as well as the lemanses. I looke hard for ones before I bought my caddy but couldnt find any that werent rusted or ghettoized.

The-Dullahan
05-26-11, 07:01 PM
Used to have an old Pontiac Bonneville wagon. Was my family's car for the longest time. Had an Oldsmobile and a Chevrolet too (Not all at once, because we never exceeded seven cars per household) but both the Olds and Pontiac had 455's in them and made it on many a trip from PA to NA (Five trips there and back every week, alternating cars) and they also made it on trips from PA to FL, once they even did it together.

Destroyer
05-26-11, 09:41 PM
It is a a shame what Pontiac became compared to what it was before it's demise. I like classic Pontiac's as much as I like classic Oldsmobile's. Too bad on both counts. :rolleyes:

jayoldschool
05-27-11, 10:51 AM
The even worse part is that they were on their way back. The plastic body cladding had disappeared. Great cars like the GTO, the G8, and the Solstice were really pointing Pontiac in the right direction as GM's performance/fun division.

STS_Seville_Hunter
05-28-11, 07:37 PM
Should I post my T/As?

Stingroo
05-28-11, 07:46 PM
If you love America - yes.

Aron9000
05-31-11, 02:30 AM
Should I post my T/As?

I've got to say the Firebird/Trans Am is one car I have adored throughout its whole production run. There isn't a single model year I wouldn't mind having in my garage, although some of those early 80's models would definetly not have the stock 305 Chevy or 301 Pontiac under the hood.

Destroyer
05-31-11, 08:41 AM
Should I post my T/As?Yes :bouncy:

jayoldschool
05-31-11, 08:32 PM
I'm starting to lust 70-76 T/As. There was a nice 76 T/A 455 4spd for sale near me recently. It took all my power to not go check it out.

http://www.musclecarreport.com/readersrides/76t_a/images/IMG_1225227642.jpg

Destroyer
05-31-11, 08:53 PM
I'm starting to lust 70-76 T/As. There was a nice 76 T/A 455 4spd for sale near me recently. It took all my power to not go check it out.

http://www.musclecarreport.com/readersrides/76t_a/images/IMG_1225227642.jpgThe 70-76 models are my favorite. An SD 455 would be sweeet! Clean examples of any '70-'81 models are sweet though. I could care less what came under the hood, that can all be changed. :yup:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-31-11, 09:00 PM
I know I've mentioned it on here a few times before, but one of my best friends has an '81 Trans Am. It was a factory 301, THM 350, but in it sits a 400 from a '68 Catalina and a 4:10 rear end. He bought it from some rednecks in the middle of Iowa, and it needs a LOT of bodywork and interior work, and he wants to drop an LS7 into it and put the six speed from a fourth gen Trans Am/ Camaro SS into it, but it's his long term project car and he's got his '02 Corvette to toy around in in the meantime.

Stingroo
05-31-11, 09:26 PM
I hope he knows an LS7 is like $10k.

Would be sick.

Friend of mine has a '73 T/A that he bought with no motor. He pulled a 455 from something, I think a Catalina, and put that in there. It's badass. He drove it freshman year of college, but then he transferred. :(

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-31-11, 09:29 PM
He makes like $55,000 a year, lives at home and is single, just paid $20,000 cash for that '02 Corvette. I don't think money is as much of an issue for him. :lol:

ben.gators
05-31-11, 09:34 PM
A question, what are the differences between the T/A and the Camaros of the that era? They look pretty similar, but what about under hood?

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-31-11, 09:39 PM
Trans Ams always were quicker. They usually had a Pontiac big block, whereas the Camaros always had a small block Chev.

Destroyer
05-31-11, 09:43 PM
A question, what are the differences between the T/A and the Camaros of the that era? They look pretty similar, but what about under hood?
They were similar BUT the Pontiacs used actual Pontiac motors. The Camaro's used Chevy motors. Pontiac had it's own motors despite being the same displacement as other GM motors in some instances. Firebirds and Trans Am's had Poncho motors displacing anywhere from 301 cubic inches to 455's and several in between. Only exception was the use of the 403 Oldsmobile motors in some '78 and pretty much all '79 models. This was the major difference but it did give the cars more of an identity of their own. Something Pontiac forgot to do after this generation of the Trans Am.

Destroyer
05-31-11, 09:46 PM
He makes like $55,000 a year, lives at home and is single, just paid $20,000 cash for that '02 Corvette. I don't think money is as much of an issue for him. :lol:
Whoa!!!! $55k a year? He's rich! .................ok I'm a wise ass. :bouncy:

STS_Seville_Hunter
05-31-11, 09:50 PM
Alright first car is a '83 Crossfire injection 305. I added the black GTAs and have lucked out at junkyards with a Cali only 500LE spoiler, and not yet installed eibach, front konis, and 3 inch flowmaster all for around $200 :highfive:
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a108/goddamnyourighteoushand/100_1245.jpg
Is is a nearly fully loaded '84 just missing rear wiper but has 5.0 ho, auto, WS6, posi, W62 ground effects, etc even has the optional leg pillow. I need to get the carb rebuilt to be drivable.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a108/goddamnyourighteoushand/100_1241.jpg

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-31-11, 10:08 PM
Here are my 5 favorite Pontiacs.

http://www.davetech.net/pics/g8gt/DSC04769.JPG
G8 GT

http://static.desktopnexus.com/thumbnails/232466-bigthumbnail.jpg
69-70 Grand Prix

http://www.smittysspeedshop.com/images/gta-2.jpg
1991-92 Trans Am GTA

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5132/5490938614_ee2691c639.jpg
80-81 Bonneville Brougham

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/1993-2000-pontiac-firebird.jpg
1993-97 Trans AM

Stingroo
05-31-11, 11:17 PM
Curious: Why 93-97 instead of 98-02? What changed, exactly, other than the motor getting a serious upgrade?

I~LUV~Caddys8792
06-01-11, 07:34 PM
I think they've got a better looking exterior. The LS1 Firebirds had too many scoops and nostrils IMO.

Aron9000
06-02-11, 03:40 AM
I think they've got a better looking exterior. The LS1 Firebirds had too many scoops and nostrils IMO.

I tend to agree. I actually like the looks of the Formula over the Trans Am on the 98-02 cars. Or even better is the Formula Firehawk. I think the WS6 hood is really gaudy as well. Still I would definitely rate the 98-02 fbody as vastly superior due to the LS1 under the hood.

Another pretty darn cool Pontiac nobody has mentioned yet, the 66-69 LeMans Sprint. 215hp OHC Inline six, 3 speed manual tranny. I'd drive one just for the sheer novelty now days, as everybody has restored GTO's.

http://ultimategto.com/1967/67_00130_1.jpg

orconn
06-02-11, 12:59 PM
I tend to agree. I actually like the looks of the Formula over the Trans Am on the 98-02 cars. Or even better is the Formula Firehawk. I think the WS6 hood is really gaudy as well. Still I would definitely rate the 98-02 fbody as vastly superior due to the LS1 under the hood.

Another pretty darn cool Pontiac nobody has mentioned yet, the 66-69 LeMans Sprint. 215hp OHC Inline six, 3 speed manual tranny. I'd drive one just for the sheer novelty now days, as everybody has restored GTO's.

http://ultimategto.com/1967/67_00130_1.jpg

Back in the mid sixties Road and Track took one of the Pontiac OHC 6's and put it in a Jaguar XKE with very good results. I, too, really like the looks of the 66-69 Pontiacs and also Oldsmobile Cutlass of the same period.

stoveguyy
06-03-11, 05:22 PM
i had some snowflakes on my caprice. the TA i got them from was wasted. as were the rims it turns out. i think they were all bent. drove them for 6 months and traded wheels/tires for a nice set of tires from a local shop. blue car, gold rims. nice.

creeker
06-03-11, 06:20 PM
I used to own a 1959 pontiac parisienne convertible, biggest car dimension wise I ever owned, could sleep 2 guys in the car and 2 in the trunk on our "fishing trips" (glug-glug).

orconn
06-03-11, 07:22 PM
^^^ !959 "Wide Track" Pontiacs seemed huge, I drove one that a friend of the family had when I was in high school. At the time I regularly drove my dad's '60 Cadillac Fleetwood and, although I am sure it wasn't, the Pontiac seemed bigger than the Cad, and especially the 1957 Olds 98 4 door Holiday that I drove daily in Ohio.

My wife's family got the kids a 1959 Pontiac to transport her brother and sister around in when my turned 17. She has always commented how big it was. Those Pontiacs were supposed to be fast for their day. I always thought it would be appropriate to sacrifice young virgins on the trunk lid, which was framed by tail lights that resembled Aztec gods from an old Aztec sacrificial alter! No such luck thought!

concorso
06-03-11, 07:53 PM
The even worse part is that they were on their way back. The plastic body cladding had disappeared. Great cars like the GTO, the G8, and the Solstice were really pointing Pontiac in the right direction as GM's performance/fun division.I think its a stretch to say the GTO and G8 were examples of Pontiac coming back. Both were somewhat low volume vehicles, and both were developed without any influence from Pontiac. All they prove is that Holden could build an attractive (visually and in specification) vehicle and Pontiac could realize that. Using that line of thinking, Pontiac would be successful as long as they continued to rebadge Holdens for our market. Both of those models could have easily fit into the Chevy brand without any changes. The only Pontiac in the last 10 years of its life that was good, was the Solstice.

cadillac kevin
06-03-11, 09:46 PM
wasnt the solstice a opel gt?

Playdrv4me
06-04-11, 04:26 AM
And for that matter, I found the Sky far more attractive.

hueterm
06-05-11, 10:10 PM
The red w/black top is the color combo of the 70 GP my parents had. I wish mine was that color....