: 10 inch pulley kit installed



miamictsv
05-22-11, 03:05 PM
I just had my 10 inch W4ME pulley kit installed, W4ME CAI, Hennessy heat exchanger and 160deg thermostat. Temperature was 93deg during tuning with IAT at 104deg.
Numbers on a Mustang Dyno are:
Stock 452WHP 468WTQ
Tuned 527WHP 579WTQ at 14.2PSI max boost

I was hoping for a bit more then 75WHP but the torque is just so much. I do not know how do you guys keep all those monsters with 600+ WHP/TQ on the road. It is so easy to spin the tires and i have to re learn to drive the car at WOT. My tuner also change the gear changes at WOT to be more crisp. Car drives like stock under normal driving. My installer managed to install the kit without the bracket for the idler pulley but i will go back to get the bracket installed as well. I am just wondering if my reliability will be affected without the bracket or my numbers at the wheels. Very excited even with this numbers.

Bookinctsv
05-22-11, 04:36 PM
I am doing the same mods but with d3 intake and heat exchanger, 10" pulley, 160 stat, full kooks and corsa, injectors, fuel pump, lid spacer, amd extras like plugs and wires! Maybe porting the blower and snout also later on.

Bookinctsv
05-22-11, 04:37 PM
Great to see your numbers im hoping over 575-600rwhp!!!

shade
05-22-11, 05:23 PM
Book - just something I have noticed with a D3 intake is they are not as easy to tune and get a smooth idle as some other intakes out there. Just food for thought.

Bookinctsv
05-22-11, 05:40 PM
Shade- thanks for the knowledge. I will be trying it out for a while if i see that its not working out then i will either keep on the airraid or maybe go with a new era. What do you think i should do?

baabootoo
05-23-11, 12:10 AM
Was your stock numbers on the same dyno? Wht do you think that the torque was so much higher?

musclesbmf
05-23-11, 12:19 AM
If you have an Airraid, why are you switching? They are very similar.

Mark

miamictsv
05-23-11, 06:39 AM
Numbers are on the same dyno and what i meant is that for me the torque is so much more now then before so it is even easier to spin the wheels. What can i do to bump the HP and lower the torque ?:)) Our cars i think will benefit from more HP as the torque is already there :)

Was your stock numbers on the same dyno? Wht do you think that the torque was so much higher?

Caddy Wagon
05-23-11, 06:53 AM
...What can i do to bump the HP and lower the torque ?:)) Our cars i think will benefit from more HP as the torque is already there :)

Do you have a dyno sheet you can post that has the HP/tq curves and the air fuel ratio on it?

Domsz06
05-23-11, 08:18 AM
Shade- thanks for the knowledge. I will be trying it out for a while if i see that its not working out then i will either keep on the airraid or maybe go with a new era. What do you think i should do?

New Era FTMFW!!! ;)

wait4me
05-23-11, 09:23 AM
Ours with that green filter flow more cfm and produce more horsepower than the new era, Im making new tubes right now that make my kit one complete piece so people wont mess up on the adjustable mass air meter section that i was doing before.. I left it adjustable for people so they could fine tune the wot flow, but everyone just set it to one spot and tuned around it, so im just going to make it all one smooth flowing piece. Even though the kit cost went up, im still going to sell them for $350 for the complete kit including the expensive Long green filter. it is huge.


Also, You definatly want to get that bracket put on there and the pulleys moved away from the ring, that could be the cause for the lack of power. That or the tune.. who knows....

Bookinctsv
05-23-11, 12:04 PM
Muscles: i messaged you.

Miamictsv: where did you do your dyno and tune?

Ross L
05-23-11, 12:51 PM
Good numbers! Just a FYI, I have a modified D3 with a larger k&n. Idles/drives perfect.

Domsz06
05-23-11, 12:55 PM
Ours with that green filter flow more cfm and produce more horsepower than the new era, Im making new tubes right now that make my kit one complete piece so people wont mess up on the adjustable mass air meter section that i was doing before.. I left it adjustable for people so they could fine tune the wot flow, but everyone just set it to one spot and tuned around it, so im just going to make it all one smooth flowing piece. Even though the kit cost went up, im still going to sell them for $350 for the complete kit including the expensive Long green filter. it is huge.


Also, You definatly want to get that bracket put on there and the pulleys moved away from the ring, that could be the cause for the lack of power. That or the tune.. who knows....

can't wait to see the product as well as the data supporting the flow! Looks like some great products are in store from some vendors here!

Domsz06
05-23-11, 12:56 PM
Good numbers! Just a FYI, I have a modified D3 with a larger k&n. Idles/drives perfect.

I think the issue with the people and d3's is the same as the new era. IT moves the MAF slightly so the tuner needs to readjust those settings. If they don't it will never work well.

miamictsv
05-23-11, 03:50 PM
Muscles: i messaged you.

Miamictsv: where did you do your dyno and tune?

Tuned by Johan at Diablosports and dyno in West palm beach at Japtrix.
Ambient temp was 93F and IAT 104-109. Johan said that he tunes on the conservative side as he shoots for more reliability then all out performance.

DrumStix
05-23-11, 05:20 PM
I think the issue with the people and d3's is the same as the new era. IT moves the MAF slightly so the tuner needs to readjust those settings. If they don't it will never work well.

Recalibration is required when more air is sensed if the existing scaling cannot compensate. The stock curve should not be anticipated to work with a high end device by any stretch.

A claim without data is an invalid claim. If I see 650 RWHP out of an auto with a LS9 cam, 9.5" pulley ported blower and CA then I might say cool. Until then I already know what intake I will be using.

We are more than glad to raise standards for everyone involved and force others to raise their game. That has always been our mission. No more erector sets! A powder coated, CNC'ed, TIG welded stainless CAI with smooth radiuses making the most proven HP is where I want to be on a $75,000 car. If a lime green filter is then answer to what some perceive as making an intake better, they fit on the New Era as well. :thumbsup:

Just saying something is better 100 times doesn't make it so. 1 pass down the 1/4 mile proves it.

miamictsv
05-23-11, 05:59 PM
http://evelin.us/cts-v/CTS-V%20Log.xlsx

This is a link to my log file under WOT. If anyone wants to check it out and let me know if anything else can be changed i can ask my tuner.

Thanks

CTSV4now
05-23-11, 06:11 PM
Your fuel injector duty cycle hits 100% at 5675 rpm and beyond.

PhxTriode
05-23-11, 06:34 PM
Your fuel injector duty cycle hits 100% at 5675 rpm and beyond.

Yikes. Time for an upgrade

Caddy Wagon
05-23-11, 06:47 PM
Your fuel injector duty cycle hits 100% at 5675 rpm and beyond.

OK educate me here. How are you deriving that from his spreadsheet? I see the injector pulse width bank 1 and bank 2 columns.

CTSV4now
05-23-11, 06:57 PM
RPM/60 = revs per second
1/(revs per second)*2*1000 = msec per 2 revs
duty cycle = pulse width/msec per 2 revs

Using your data: 5675 rpm / 60 = 94.58 revs per second
(1/94.58)*2*1000= 21.14 msec per 2 revs (crank had to spin twice for 1 cycle)
duty cycle = 21.439 (I picked bank one) / 21.14 = 101%

Are you using stock injectors?

miamictsv
05-23-11, 09:14 PM
Yes injectors are stock. My tuner told me injectors are not needed at my power level and also by Jesse and other members on this forum. I will double check on this now with my tuner

EricVonHa
05-24-11, 01:05 AM
Extra headroom on the injectors could be a good idea. However, if the maf is still scaling properly, you'll find the a/f ratio will still be decent. When the calc leaves a 20% deficit, then we need to talk.

wait4me
05-24-11, 08:51 AM
Just have your tuner email me or call and i will tell him how to up the fuel pressure to give you more headroom on the injectors.

DrumStix
05-24-11, 10:27 AM
Yes injectors are stock. My tuner told me injectors are not needed at my power level and also by Jesse and other members on this forum. I will double check on this now with my tuner

When your DA calms you will be out of fuel.

I can imagine that being in Florida humidity was relatively high and with 93* ambient DA was well above sea level.

I would error on the side of caution. Buy some quality injectors and you will never worry about fuel again especially if this is just round 1 of your mods.

My $.02

miamictsv
05-24-11, 12:59 PM
When your DA calms you will be out of fuel.

I can imagine that being in Florida humidity was relatively high and with 93* ambient DA was well above sea level.

I would error on the side of caution. Buy some quality injectors and you will never worry about fuel again especially if this is just round 1 of your mods.

My $.02

Well, i hope this is my final round of upgrades :)) we all know how true is this :))
Humidity was in the 65-70 %. I am really considering injectors and will talk to my tuner to see what is he most comfortable with. At least i got the bracket installed so now we will do a street run and see how it is. Can you tell me what DA stands for? Excuse my ignorance :) I am at see level and 6 months of 12 is hot and humid and the rest are just perfect 65-80 with 40% humidity:))

Domsz06
05-24-11, 01:22 PM
Well, i hope this is my final round of upgrades :)) we all know how true is this :))
Humidity was in the 65-70 %. I am really considering injectors and will talk to my tuner to see what is he most comfortable with. At least i got the bracket installed so now we will do a street run and see how it is. Can you tell me what DA stands for? Excuse my ignorance :) I am at see level and 6 months of 12 is hot and humid and the rest are just perfect 65-80 with 40% humidity:))

i know some claim that you don't need injectors but at sea level you do, if you ever get a -DA night you run the risk of going BOOM! Trust me I know.

serturbo
05-24-11, 02:59 PM
DA = Density Altitude

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density_altitude

PhxTriode
05-24-11, 03:49 PM
Assuming you were at or close to sea level and a 29.98 baro readng you DA would be 2500' this means your car is reacting to atmosphere like it would at 2500 ft elevation. You need injectors it is not worth the risk. When you approach or pass 100% you lose control over fueling and end up baking the error into your MAF transfer.

Domsz06
05-24-11, 04:13 PM
Assuming you were at or close to sea level and a 29.98 baro readng you DA would be 2500' this means your car is reacting to atmosphere like it would at 2500 ft elevation. You need injectors it is not worth the risk. When you approach or pass 100% you lose control over fueling and end up baking the error into your MAF transfer.

and if he were to ever get a cool fall night with a -1200...... BOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

miamictsv
05-24-11, 05:21 PM
Thank you all for the sharing your experience with me. I will be talking to my tuner to see what injectors he prefers to tune.

aj660
05-26-11, 12:56 PM
We are more than glad to raise standards for everyone involved and force oA powder coated, CNC'ed, TIG welded stainless CAI with smooth radiuses making the most proven HP is where I want to be on a $75,000 car. If a lime green filter is then answer to what some perceive as making an intake better, they fit on the New Era as well. :thumbsup:
.

What's the deal with the lime green filter? I keep reading things about the green filter. Where can I get one?

Domsz06
05-26-11, 01:16 PM
What's the deal with the lime green filter? I keep reading things about the green filter. Where can I get one?

http://www.airfiltersonline.com/index.php?productID=148

certain people swear by them, long thread some time ago...

PGA2B
05-26-11, 01:54 PM
What's the deal with the lime green filter?

It a higher flowing filter.

StormTrooperFRC
05-26-11, 09:59 PM
Numbers are on the same dyno and what i meant is that for me the torque is so much more now then before so it is even easier to spin the wheels. What can i do to bump the HP and lower the torque ?:)) Our cars i think will benefit from more HP as the torque is already there :)



Thats a new one.

Horsepower sells cars, Torque wins races.

Always has, always will.

aj660
05-26-11, 10:44 PM
Cool, thanks...

Is the green filter really much better than the K&N filter that came with my New Era CAI?

miamictsv
05-27-11, 01:24 PM
Thats a new one.

Horsepower sells cars, Torque wins races.

Always has, always will.



Storm, you might be right but when you have so much torque that you can not put it on the ground shouldn't more HP benefit your top end? Just curious as i am not an expert on HP or TQ. I do agree that out of a corner you want as much TQ as you can possible use without spinning the wheels :)

Ross L
05-27-11, 01:37 PM
I always heard " torque gets you moving, hp wins the race" when talking about a Q mile pass.
Ross

Domsz06
05-27-11, 01:39 PM
Cool, thanks...

Is the green filter really much better than the K&N filter that came with my New Era CAI?

lol.

the answer is no. it's not that much better. it doesn't matter. The New era is supior, it was the intake the green was attached too. It doesn't flow nearly as much as the new era. Sure you can get a green filter but ya don't need it.