: Goodbye, STS... It's the end of the road...



Lord Cadillac
05-04-11, 10:21 AM
It's the end of the line for Cadillac STS

General Motors Co. has quietly ended production of the Cadillac STS.

The final sedan rolled off the Lansing Grand River assembly line last week.

The luxury sedan was phased out to make way for a new, small Cadillac that will go into production at the plant next year, Cadillac spokeswoman Jordana Strosberg said Tuesday.

Local GM spokeswoman Erin Davis said the end of STS production won't result in any layoffs. The plant's 835 hourly workers will continue to build the Cadillac CTS line. However, the assembly plant will shut down for about 1 1/2 months starting June 6 as a crew prepares the factory for production of the new Cadillac. When workers return on July 18, they will continue to make the CTS while preparing for the new car.

Read more... (http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/article/20110504/BUSINESS01/105040312/It-s-end-line-Cadillac-STS)

hueterm
05-04-11, 10:39 AM
I thought the ATS was the 3 series competitor.

The STS died w/the N*, anyway, IMO...

Lord Cadillac
05-04-11, 11:51 AM
Yes, the ATS is the 3-Series competitor. Lansing Grand River is building the ATS and Oshawa is building the XTS.. I wasn't sure but it does appear the ATS will begin production soon, replacing the STS (at the plant). I'm not saying the ATS is replacing the STS at dealerships - just at the plant where it's being built...

MacMuse
05-04-11, 12:25 PM
Such a shame the STS didn't catch on like the CTS. I still find the STS an excellent bridge between the Cadillac of old (floaty sofas on wheels) and the European cars that killed them in the market.

What are all these CTS buyers going to do when they get a little older, they get a larger family... and their CTS won't do them any good. I suppose the CTS Wagon was Cadillac's response to that demographic, but I think the entire CTS line leaves the full-size/full-height American out of luck. I can't sit in a CTS and see out the front window safely enough to drive. At 6'3" my head is buried in the headliner and the sloping windshield turns into opaque roof before I can see the road 3 car lengths out.

Lord Cadillac
05-04-11, 12:45 PM
The next CTS is growing to the size of the STS.


Such a shame the STS didn't catch on like the CTS. I still find the STS an excellent bridge between the Cadillac of old (floaty sofas on wheels) and the European cars that killed them in the market.

What are all these CTS buyers going to do when they get a little older, they get a larger family... and their CTS won't do them any good. I suppose the CTS Wagon was Cadillac's response to that demographic, but I think the entire CTS line leaves the full-size/full-height American out of luck. I can't sit in a CTS and see out the front window safely enough to drive. At 6'3" my head is buried in the headliner and the sloping windshield turns into opaque roof before I can see the road 3 car lengths out.

Greg00coupe
05-04-11, 01:14 PM
When' the next CTS rolling off.....that could work!!!

malatu
05-04-11, 02:41 PM
Such a shame the STS didn't catch on like the CTS. I still find the STS an excellent bridge between the Cadillac of old (floaty sofas on wheels) and the European cars that killed them in the market.

What are all these CTS buyers going to do when they get a little older, they get a larger family... and their CTS won't do them any good. I suppose the CTS Wagon was Cadillac's response to that demographic, but I think the entire CTS line leaves the full-size/full-height American out of luck. I can't sit in a CTS and see out the front window safely enough to drive. At 6'3" my head is buried in the headliner and the sloping windshield turns into opaque roof before I can see the road 3 car lengths out.

In a couple of years, you'll see more and more of the CTS's "tricked out" with loud mufflers and "add on" spoilers! :yup::yup:

Lord Cadillac
05-04-11, 04:19 PM
Not right away, unfortunately.. Probably 2 or 3 years from now...


When' the next CTS rolling off.....that could work!!!

bbjorklund99
05-04-11, 05:48 PM
That is unfortunate! I have loved the STS from the 1st time I saw the commercial with the Cadillac disturbing the ballroom dance. The new CTS is OK but after sitting in one and than in the STS I just couldn't bring myself to buy one. Maybe with the STS going away they will expand the car slightly and make the CTS interior size more like that of the STS. I have a nephew that was seriously looking at a CTS and just could not get his body comfortably into the drivers seat. He is like 6'4" and muscular. He ended up buying the Dodge Charger instead. Not much of a comparison but for a lot of guys they are not going to pay big bucks for a car that is uncomfortable to drive.

malatu
05-04-11, 06:06 PM
That is unfortunate! I have loved the STS from the 1st time I saw the commercial with the Cadillac disturbing the ballroom dance. The new CTS is OK but after sitting in one and than in the STS I just couldn't bring myself to buy one. Maybe with the STS going away they will expand the car slightly and make the CTS interior size more like that of the STS. I have a nephew that was seriously looking at a CTS and just could not get his body comfortably into the drivers seat. He is like 6'4" and muscular. He ended up buying the Dodge Charger instead. Not much of a comparison but for a lot of guys they are not going to pay big bucks for a car that is uncomfortable to drive.

That was a great commercial! Every time I hear that Led Zeppelin tune I think of it.

ddalder
05-04-11, 08:20 PM
I suspected this was the case. It's too bad, but I didn't buy into the chat that GM was going to go ahead with a 2012 STS using left over parts. This just isn't how production works these days. Once again a disappointing day. GM did the very same thing to me with my Bonneville. I had purchased it with hopes of having another down the road, technological updates, new features and all of a sudden they were gone. I'm starting to get a bit of a complex here :(

EChas3
05-04-11, 10:19 PM
The next CTS is growing to the size of the STS.

I wouldn't be so sure. Washington is planning to 'punish oil companies' and will end up hurting us all with even highwe gas prices. It's hard to believe it isn't intentional; could anyone be so ignorant?

bbjorklund99
05-05-11, 12:17 AM
Government Motors!

carter's_sts
05-05-11, 12:46 AM
Even if they expand the CTS, I still won't buy one (probably hold out for the XTS some day). No offense to CTS owners, it is a pretty nice car..........But I can't stand the interior. It's way different than the STS, very "busy" with controls everywhere. The STS interior is way more elegant.


That is unfortunate! I have loved the STS from the 1st time I saw the commercial with the Cadillac disturbing the ballroom dance. The new CTS is OK but after sitting in one and than in the STS I just couldn't bring myself to buy one. Maybe with the STS going away they will expand the car slightly and make the CTS interior size more like that of the STS. I have a nephew that was seriously looking at a CTS and just could not get his body comfortably into the drivers seat. He is like 6'4" and muscular. He ended up buying the Dodge Charger instead. Not much of a comparison but for a lot of guys they are not going to pay big bucks for a car that is uncomfortable to drive.

ddalder
05-05-11, 12:51 AM
Even if they expand the CTS, I still won't buy one (probably hold out for the XTS some day). No offense to CTS owners, it is a pretty nice car..........But I can't stand the interior. It's way different than the STS, very "busy" with controls everywhere. The STS interior is way more elegant.
I completely agree. I don't like the interior, nor do I like the centre high mount stop light. Otherwise it's a nice car.

Neutrocuted
05-05-11, 03:14 AM
I got a "Car and Driver" text alert a couple of days ago that said GM's is planning on putting 4 cylinder engines into both the ATS and the XTS. It didn't say if it would be an option or the base engine. I'm sure the 3.6 will still be available. Also, the XTS is going to be on the Buick LaCrosse platform.

Cripes... I remember the day when Cadillac was "the leader" and then after a couple of years the other divisions would get the neat stuff. Not any more. GM is pushing Buick to be GM's leader and I believe it is because in China, anyone who has "made-it" or is a "wannabe" drives a Buick. They sell like hot cakes over there.

I don't believe that GM is concerned about the American market, which is shrinking due to imports, they're concerned about the Chinese and global markets which are rapidly expanding. Those markets want Buicks, not Cadillacs.

My prediction is that Cadillac and GMC will go the way of Oldsmobile & Pontiac, not soon, but I believe it's in the plans, especially GMC which I believe will be sooner, too much redundancy. Buick will be high end and Chevrolet will be for the masses. That is GM's future, IMHO.

KRSTS
05-05-11, 08:42 AM
I got a "Car and Driver" text alert a couple of days ago that said GM's is planning on putting 4 cylinder engines into both the ATS and the XTS. It didn't say if it would be an option or the base engine. I'm sure the 3.6 will still be available. Also, the XTS is going to be on the Buick LaCrosse platform.

Cripes... I remember the day when Cadillac was "the leader" and then after a couple of years the other divisions would get the neat stuff. Not any more. GM is pushing Buick to be GM's leader and I believe it is because in China, anyone who has "made-it" or is a "wannabe" drives a Buick. They sell like hot cakes over there.

I don't believe that GM is concerned about the American market, which is shrinking due to imports, they're concerned about the Chinese and global markets which are rapidly expanding. Those markets want Buicks, not Cadillacs.

My prediction is that Cadillac and GMC will go the way of Oldsmobile & Pontiac, not soon, but I believe it's in the plans, especially GMC which I believe will be sooner, too much redundancy. Buick will be high end and Chevrolet will be for the masses. That is GM's future, IMHO.

Good analysis. I tend to agree. I just bought a buick for the wife and so far its been a wonderful vehicle. Very high end fit and finish also.

Lord Cadillac
05-05-11, 01:53 PM
I wouldn't be so sure. Washington is planning to 'punish oil companies' and will end up hurting us all with even highwe gas prices. It's hard to believe it isn't intentional; could anyone be so ignorant?

You really think Cadillac is going to skip-out on the mid-size segment when the ATS comes along? They can either increase the size of the CTS to STS proportions or have an ATS and a CTS about the same size. Doesn't that sound a lot like the mistake they made with the CTS and STS? They were too close in size.. The next CTS will grow in size, features and price.


I don't believe that GM is concerned about the American market, which is shrinking due to imports, they're concerned about the Chinese and global markets which are rapidly expanding. Those markets want Buicks, not Cadillacs.

If I'm not mistaken, the XTS is being designed in Shanghai...

ryannel2003
05-05-11, 02:03 PM
It's unfortunate that Cadillac let the STS just die-out like this. If the car had been continually updated like all of the others in it's class, I'm sure the car would have been more successful. As it has been shown though, GM is extremely slow to update cars and just let them wither and die without any kind of recognition. What's sad is the STS was the car that was supposed to be bring Cadillac back to the top of it's game, and unfortunately it never got that kind of attention. As it turns out, the Seville was preferred by many people even though it was FWD. That's really unfortunate, because the STS is a much better driving car.

turnne
05-08-11, 12:35 PM
It's unfortunate that Cadillac let the STS just die-out like this. If the car had been continually updated like all of the others in it's class, I'm sure the car would have been more successful. As it has been shown though, GM is extremely slow to update cars and just let them wither and die without any kind of recognition. What's sad is the STS was the car that was supposed to be bring Cadillac back to the top of it's game, and unfortunately it never got that kind of attention. As it turns out, the Seville was preferred by many people even though it was FWD. That's really unfortunate, because the STS is a much better driving car.

The 2005 STS rolled out in 2005 behind the times
It should have had an all new redesigned V8 to match the competitors and some systems like the Nav and voice activation were behind the competition
They marketed the car as being able to "drive" like the germans and I don't think that was ever taken seriously by any perspective german buyer

Then...they sold a lot of "cheap" leases to move cars and then they came back 2-3 years later at auctions at 30%( of sticker) wholesale values

Then the car was never really updated...so even the levels of leasing ...past 2007...were way down

I seriously doubt the 2005+ STS was a profitable car for GM

Warren

Jesda
05-09-11, 08:13 AM
I will probably keep buying Sevilles until they all disappear.

It was previously reported that the 2012 model year would be the last. Apparently 2011 is the end.

chazglenn3
05-09-11, 10:19 AM
Sevilles stopped production in 2004. STS production appears to be 2005-2011.

turnne
05-09-11, 07:19 PM
I don't believe that GM is concerned about the American market, which is shrinking due to imports, they're concerned about the Chinese and global markets which are rapidly expanding. Those markets want Buicks, not Cadillacs.
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I am not sure its has to do with the fact they are concerned about..as I think they are
Its just that the luxury market in the US...has been expanding rapidly since the 80's...whittled even further down when the Japanese got very serious about it in the early 90's

Now you have Lexus as the number one seller of luxury cars in the US

I think the US car manufacturers play much better in the mid range sedan and truck category
what you are seeing in the manufacturers playing to their strengths

In a tight market...why continue to manufacture a car that you have to use a "give away" lease rate to move...and when it comes back from lease its worth 30% of retail

How can that be profitable?

Why not play( capitalize) in the products categories that are actually profitable?


Warren

Mafiaman111
05-10-11, 08:41 PM
Cadillac is also dropping the DTS which i loved them cars since i first saw one when i was very young, i would never buy a cadillac with anything less then an eight cylinder

Slee_Stack
05-11-11, 11:14 PM
Not really shedding any tears here. There have been plenty worse cars to come and go than the STS, but plenty better ones too.

EChas3
05-11-11, 11:35 PM
Life is all about change. Enjoy the ride!

Neutrocuted
05-12-11, 01:08 AM
Not really shedding any tears here. There have been plenty worse cars to come and go than the STS, but plenty better ones too.

I don't think it's so much about a model coming or going, but I believe that most of us on this forum really love our STS's and just wish that GM had put more effort into marketing and updating. Cadillac has a long list of firsts that I believe is, or should say was, a tradition that made Cadillac the leader. Cars are an emotional subject for car lovers, that's why we're here. Most people could give less than a rats a$$ about cars... they are devices that get them from a to b.

I see that you use to have a 2005 STS. What are you driving now and how do you feel about it? (if you don't mind me asking)

jordan00escalade
05-12-11, 01:31 AM
What impact is that going to have on the STS and STS-V value lets say.. 5 years from now?

Neutrocuted
05-12-11, 02:47 AM
What impact is that going to have on the STS and STS-V value lets say.. 5 years from now?

I don't know, but what I do know is if the price is right I surely will grab an STS-V in a heartbeat!

jordan00escalade
05-12-11, 03:05 AM
I don't know, but what I do know is if the price is right I surely will grab an STS-V in a heartbeat!

you and me both.. The STS-V could be a classic one day (we decide)

Bucketokarma
05-12-11, 08:29 PM
you and me both.. The STS-V could be a classic one day (we decide)


I think that the V-series cars will become some of the more sought after classic "muscle" of the early 20-hundreds, in say 30-40 years from now. Just look at all the cars "old-timers" bought in their teens, thrashed on, or sold a few years later, 30 years down the road, they are now kicking themselves for ever getting rid of "that car" because now it's a classic and of course "they don't make them like that anymore".
STS-V, and the second gen CTS-V have a higher chance of becoming sought after, the STS because of rarity, the 2nd-gen CTS because of copious HP, and "fastest production sedan" title.

1BadCadSTS
05-12-11, 09:00 PM
The STS died when they killed the V8 option imho.

Neutrocuted
05-13-11, 01:22 AM
I think that the V-series cars will become some of the more sought after classic "muscle" of the early 20-hundreds, in say 30-40 years from now. Just look at all the cars "old-timers" bought in their teens, thrashed on, or sold a few years later, 30 years down the road, they are now kicking themselves for ever getting rid of "that car" because now it's a classic and of course "they don't make them like that anymore".
STS-V, and the second gen CTS-V have a higher chance of becoming sought after, the STS because of rarity, the 2nd-gen CTS because of copious HP, and "fastest production sedan" title.

Oh geez, I had a '69 Camaro SS 350 and '72 Demon 340 that I wished I had kept... especially the Camaro because it was a freak of the production line. They were putting only 3 speed turbo hydromatics in these car but mine was a mistake at the factory and came with a 2 speed power-glide. Bought it brand new from Midway Chevrolet in Chicago in 1968. Someone else had ordered it but when it came in with the power glide, they refused it. I got it for a steal.

Neutrocuted
05-13-11, 01:25 AM
The STS died when they killed the V8 option imho.

You get 2 amens on that! No offense to you guys with the 3.6... I had one in my CTS, it was ok, but my N* really rocks!

Lord Cadillac
05-13-11, 12:40 PM
Those 2 speed power glide transmissions were cool and all - until you wanted to go 60 or 70 on the highway...

EChas3
05-13-11, 11:19 PM
Oh geez, I had a '69 Camaro SS 350 and '72 Demon 340 that I wished I had kept... especially the Camaro because it was a freak of the production line. They were putting only 3 speed turbo hydromatics in these car but mine was a mistake at the factory and came with a 2 speed power-glide. Bought it brand new from Midway Chevrolet in Chicago in 1968. Someone else had ordered it but when it came in with the power glide, they refused it. I got it for a steal.

Drag racers still love the Powerglide; especially at the lil' 1/8 mile strips.

onlyuscars
05-15-11, 04:19 PM
My next car may be 1996 Fleetwood Brougham if I can find on with low enough miles and in good condition. How's that for change? 350 pushrod, body on frame, luxury tank, 25mpg hiughway. Trucks and big cars are already piling up around Philly dealers,
Life is all about change. Enjoy the ride!

turnne
05-15-11, 07:01 PM
My next car may be 1996 Fleetwood Brougham if I can find on with low enough miles and in good condition. How's that for change? 350 pushrod, body on frame, luxury tank, 25mpg hiughway. Trucks and big cars are already piling up around Philly dealers,

good luck finding one of those that is not a POS
trouble with those is that they are worth nothing so they quickly became "beaters"

Though my neighbor traded a Buick Roadmaster, for a Ford Crown Vic, not too long ago that would have fit your needs..that is if a Buick would have done for you


Warren

02603sec
05-20-11, 07:14 PM
CTS = Catera. what a pos. I'm in the market for a rear wheel drive V8 with 4 doors and a back seat that people can sit in. I will put 100k on it in 4 years. I looked hard at the DTS, but I'm not that old, and abhor front wheel drive. 2008- 2011 were low production years for the STS, and I havent seen too many. It's too bad STS didn't have a special "going out of business edition" like they did with the 76 Eldo conv, and the '02 Eldo. They could have made one more run on the STS-V design. Or maybe they could have slipped a supercharged LS-motor in the STS, like what they did with the LT1- Fleetwood in the '90s.
99 540I was my last car (driver) before the 05 STS 4.6. I have a diesel ford pickup, which is the best vehicle I have ever owned and a C5 corvette, which I enjoy immensely. GF has a Miata and a Suburu.
I will never again buy Rover, Porsche, Chrysler/Daimler, Volvo, Jaguar, Infinity, Lexus. Have owned these brands before, and I will pass. The Infinity as well as the Lexus are cheaply made, with thin paint, leather seating surfaces and lack power.
I will probably go back to BMW and get a used 7 series with 8cyls.

txbest1980
05-20-11, 08:59 PM
In a couple of years, you'll see more and more of the CTS's "tricked out" with loud mufflers and "add on" spoilers! :yup::yup:

definitely to late for that...some of the younger CTS owners are already trying to rice them out...it must be the extra young generation thing

EChas3
05-20-11, 09:29 PM
I'm in the market for a rear wheel drive V8 with 4 doors and a back seat that people can sit in. I will put 100k on it in 4 years. I looked hard at the DTS, but I'm not that old, and abhor front wheel drive.

I will never again buy Rover, Porsche, Chrysler/Daimler, Volvo, Jaguar, Infinity, Lexus. Have owned these brands before, and I will pass.

This substantially echoes my thoughts prior to buying my STS. I've enjoyed STS ownership for about 2.5 years. I've had a lot of luxurious driving fun and had no unexpected out-of-pocket expenses. Tires & brakes are consumables for cars with over 60,000 miles.

turnne
05-20-11, 10:04 PM
This substantially echoes my thoughts prior to buying my STS. I've enjoyed STS ownership for about 2.5 years. I've had a lot of luxurious driving fun and had no unexpected out-of-pocket expenses. Tires & brakes are consumables for cars with over 60,000 miles.

I didn't realize that you had owned one of those brands he mentioned?

I also find it interesting what he said he wants to go back to.....and the fact that a Mercedes S class would not be on the list as well

IMO..if either a 7 series or S class is your cup of tea the STS will not come anywhere to meeting your expectations on any level...other than being a lot less expensive

Warren

Neutrocuted
05-21-11, 08:08 AM
...I also find it interesting what he said he wants to go back to.....and the fact that a Mercedes S class would not be on the list as well

IMO..if either a 7 series or S class is your cup of tea the STS will not come anywhere to meeting your expectations on any level...other than being a lot less expensive

Warren

I agree on that! My other half has an E class. I don't care for it but it's really nice. Absolutely love the way it handles, precision does not describe it well enough, it makes you feel like a surgeon with a scalpel. But what is surrendered, ergonomics mainly, IMHO, well let's just say that I prefer my American manufacturer autos. It does have some neat features, but still, I'll take a Caddy, IMHO.

This is the only foreign car I've ever owned and when we were test driving it I made the comment that the side view mirrors seemed to be a tad small. The salesman said, feigning a German accent, "the engineers in Germany would tell you 'They are the correct size because you don't need to know where you've been, you only need to know where you are going'"! That gave me a chuckle.

Then I commented about the sun visors not having good coverage and the sun would peak through the side window and into my eye and once again using his German accent "If the sun gets in your eye, you are going in the wrong direction! You must turn around and go the other way!"

He was obviously kidding, but he wasn't that far off base as far as MB techs and advisors are concerned. Almost everything can be explained away by blaming lack of knowledge on the part of the operator that caused an issue.

Parts from MB are a trip too! Just had to get a new fob 'cause she left one in her pocket and it went through the washer... I looked everywhere online but couldn't find one. We had to go to the MB dealer with our license & registration and order a fob... $250!!!!!! They keep tight control over their keys!

So, I prefer to get beat up at a Caddy dealer rather than the MB dealer. It's also easier to find non-dealer mechanics to work on my Caddy than the Benz.

Just my $.02 worth!

turnne
05-21-11, 08:40 AM
I agree on that! My other half has an E class. I don't care for it but it's really nice. Absolutely love the way it handles, precision does not describe it well enough, it makes you feel like a surgeon with a scalpel. But what is surrendered, ergonomics mainly, IMHO, well let's just say that I prefer my American manufacturer autos. It does have some neat features, but still, I'll take a Caddy, IMHO.

This is the only foreign car I've ever owned and when we were test driving it I made the comment that the side view mirrors seemed to be a tad small. The salesman said, feigning a German accent, "the engineers in Germany would tell you 'They are the correct size because you don't need to know where you've been, you only need to know where you are going'"! That gave me a chuckle.

Then I commented about the sun visors not having good coverage and the sun would peak through the side window and into my eye and once again using his German accent "If the sun gets in your eye, you are going in the wrong direction! You must turn around and go the other way!"

He was obviously kidding, but he wasn't that far off base as far as MB techs and advisors are concerned. Almost everything can be explained away by blaming lack of knowledge on the part of the operator that caused an issue.

Parts from MB are a trip too! Just had to get a new fob 'cause she left one in her pocket and it went through the washer... I looked everywhere online but couldn't find one. We had to go to the MB dealer with our license & registration and order a fob... $250!!!!!! They keep tight control over their keys!

So, I prefer to get beat up at a Caddy dealer rather than the MB dealer. It's also easier to find non-dealer mechanics to work on my Caddy than the Benz.

Just my $.02 worth!

LOL...some good points you made

No other manufacturer comes anywhere close to the germans at handling brakes, steering etc
Infiniti is trying very hard...and their cars, IMO, are the best handling non german makes

They are finely engineered and thought out and it shows...things like the single windshield wiper that moves in 4 directions across the windshield are a statement of that

I would ask which car you would rather take a long road trip in or drive on a bumpy road

Not sure what year E class your have...but that key you mentioned has changed a few times over the years..the last time I checked Mercedes key system was still named the most theft resistant out there

I have rented a couple of Chrysler vehicles in the last year and I have noticed that they had adopted the Mercedes key system that was used in the late 90's...with the solid piece with a contact point at the ignition

The other point I was making originally was that if the earlier poster liked the BMW 7 series....clearly the handling brakes etc were going to be at another level..but I also think the finish and interior materials of the STS will not fit your expectations if you are a 7 series buyer
And granted it should not for the difference in the two car's prices


Warren