: Navigational distress, in my 2010 sts



erichthecatt
05-03-11, 11:51 AM
I finally had a chance to take my 2010 STS on a Weekend trip, 800 miles. V6. Averaged about 28mpg. So after studying the Nav manual backwards and forwards ive somewhat got the complicated system down.
I cannot seem to figure out how search for a specific business. For instance I went to reno. I wanted to search for casinos in the area. It wont let me. The nav wants a specific name. Am I missing something? I tried to search for casinos in lake tahoe. It wouldnt even pull up lake tahoe. So how can I search for a type of business without the name?? Or a city without an address?
Can anyone HELP! also, is there anywhere in there that shows elevation? My $109.00 garmin from costco sure is alot easier to operate with better results. I realized I really need that lock pick! ordering one this week

STS guy
05-03-11, 12:18 PM
I can't help you, but "I feel your pain". Cadillac's navigation system really sucks. I finally gave up and use my Garmin portable unit exclusively.

STS guy

RippyPartsDept
05-03-11, 12:46 PM
Try calling the nav disc center and asking for their help.

Part of their 'mandate' or 'mission' or whatever is to be a helpline for questions regarding the use of the nav units.

1-877-NAV-DISC

malatu
05-03-11, 04:01 PM
I can't help you, but "I feel your pain". Cadillac's navigation system really sucks. I finally gave up and use my Garmin portable unit exclusively.

STS guy

In my 2006, I know for a fact you can search category items like restaurants, gas stations, etc. Unfortunately, exactly what menu buttons and order you would push. I'll look later on today and get back to you. But it does have this capability. Once you do it a couple of time, it's quite easy.

erichthecatt
05-03-11, 06:51 PM
Thanks. I appreciate any help. I called the gm nav number, but they wernt much help yet. I have to check my disk number, but the disk i have is only a few months old. They can pretty much only tell me whats in the book. and i already knew. It just doesnt want to search a POI with out a name.
I asked about the navigation having the elevation read-out. I had to explain to her what elevation was. Hmmmm....

rzambrano
05-03-11, 06:57 PM
Thanks. I appreciate any help. I called the gm nav number, but they wernt much help yet. I have to check my disk number, but the disk i have is only a few months old. They can pretty much only tell me whats in the book. and i already knew. It just doesnt want to search a POI with out a name.
I asked about the navigation having the elevation read-out. I had to explain to her what elevation was. Hmmmm....

Try checking out the POI's. Make sure you have the correct disc in because if I recall correctly, one discs covers the US maps only, while 2 other discs cover west and east maps/POI's.

kschwed
05-03-11, 07:57 PM
If I remember correctly, bring up the navigation. Press anywhere on the screen once the map is up. In the lower right corner, I believe, a new button comes up and says POI, or something to that effect. Press that and you can select to bring up the POI's that you want.

EChas3
05-03-11, 09:15 PM
Good advice above. I agree it's not intuitive to touch the screen to choose POI's but I also have to zoom in to 1/2 mile scale or less for it to work. Your preset preferences will display or you can select all local POI's. GM's lawyers prevented the system from most functions while moving so overrule them with a Lockpick.

Theoretically:
The VR command for casinos would be: Navigation Casino.
To zoom in first: Navigation Zoom In
Get the list: Navigation Help

VR tricks: Turn off the fan. Close open windows. Speak softer not louder. A little practice can help. Use the Help to get the commands supported by your car. The commands above are from a 2006 manual; the Help list will be specific to your system.

VR truth: GM's VR wasn't ready for prime time on the earliest models. Even after firmware upgrades and the improvements made with later models, it was still inadequate in English.

Various forum members speaking other languages actually report better results than us English-speakers.

The VR Nametags do work well. I use 'Phone Dial Name' and Nametags with very few failures.

chazglenn3
05-03-11, 09:44 PM
Is it possible to display which firmware is installed on the screen?

EChas3
05-03-11, 10:02 PM
It's rather involved. Did you check the sticky thread at the top of the thread list for a link?

ddalder
05-03-11, 10:13 PM
GM's lawyers prevented the system from most functions while moving so overrule them with a Lockpick.
So was this GM's lawyers, Denso's engineers, or just plain good old common sense on behalf of the government? Personally I am opposed to using these devices while on the move. Check out the studies and I think you'll find this type of behaviour offers a significant level of impairment to operating a vehicle. This is exactly why government needs to "babysit" citizens on some matters... Too many people just don't get it.

chazglenn3
05-03-11, 10:32 PM
It's rather involved. Did you check the sticky thread at the top of the thread list for a link?

No, but I will now...thanks! :duh:

chazglenn3
05-03-11, 10:46 PM
I looked in the sticky but didn't see any information...

erichthecatt
05-04-11, 10:41 AM
I can access the POI. No problem. ITS just that the POI wants a specific name. It will not give a list of the businesses that I search for under a general name. Such as "casino" or restaurant. it wants a name.
Gm NAV call center is useless.
Ive tried the VR several times, and its rediculous. lol... well, maybe ill just have to carry my Garmin nuvi 265 from costco if i want to find what im looking for quickly and easily. its really disappointing that GM didnt design a user friendly system. :mad2:







If I remember correctly, bring up the navigation. Press anywhere on the screen once the map is up. In the lower right corner, I believe, a new button comes up and says POI, or something to that effect. Press that and you can select to bring up the POI's that you want.

bbjorklund99
05-04-11, 10:58 AM
So was this GM's lawyers, Denso's engineers, or just plain good old common sense on behalf of the government? Personally I am opposed to using these devices while on the move. Check out the studies and I think you'll find this type of behaviour offers a significant level of impairment to operating a vehicle. This is exactly why government needs to "babysit" citizens on some matters... Too many people just don't get it.

ddalder, I understand your point related to changing addresses while traveling at high speed. I agree that is not a good idea because you can become distracted and cause an accident. My problem is that I can't even use the VR system to make a hands free call while driving down the road. The hands free option is basically worthless. Why even install the option if you are going to limit the use to the point that it has no value? I am sure it boils down to somebody not wanting to get sued.

ddalder
05-04-11, 07:52 PM
ddalder, I understand your point related to changing addresses while traveling at high speed. I agree that is not a good idea because you can become distracted and cause an accident. My problem is that I can't even use the VR system to make a hands free call while driving down the road. The hands free option is basically worthless. Why even install the option if you are going to limit the use to the point that it has no value? I am sure it boils down to somebody not wanting to get sued.
I understand your problem, and I agree that the VR, along with some of the other "features" are poor at best. For fifteen years now I've been dealing with people who have made poor choices, many such as distracted driving. The common belief is that the other "bad" drivers out there who can't multitask are going to crash. Personally, I couldn't sleep at night if I caused another family to lose a loved one because I just couldn't be bothered to pull over for a minute or two. Lots of people are remorseful after the fact, but few are willing to do anything before something bad happens.

My position is simply to accept the limitations of the technology and work within those limits. It will improve and perhaps in your next vehicle it will be much better. Overriding safety features isn't an option IMO. The only way to make something better is to get it out for people to use and find the weak points. I wouldn't say there is no value in offering these options because it's the only way they are going to get better. There are a lot of cars out there that don't have these options and those people seem to get along fine. Just my opinion.

EChas3
05-04-11, 09:12 PM
So was this GM's lawyers, Denso's engineers, or just plain good old common sense on behalf of the government? Personally I am opposed to using these devices while on the move. Check out the studies and I think you'll find this type of behaviour offers a significant level of impairment to operating a vehicle. This is exactly why government needs to "babysit" citizens on some matters... Too many people just don't get it.

If I do you harm, sue me. I won't sue GM for my mistakes. I support tort reform to limit such excesses that raises the cost of living while restricting liberty. But I see no reason why my co-pilot shouldn't be able to use the features of the system. If I can do so safely, how is anyone harmed?

This is exactly why our constitution was written specifically to prevent government from infringing on personal and state's prerogatives. Legally speaking, your position is 'prior restraint' and penalizes an individual for something they didn't yet do. I believe this is wrong. It certainly suggests an elitist point of view to state, "Too many people just don't get it."

I do support your right to make your case, no matter how much I disagree. Furthermore, I won't attack or ridicule you in a personal way despite our disagreement. Civility is the oil in human contact.

ddalder
05-04-11, 09:26 PM
If I do you harm, sue me. I won't sue GM for my mistakes. I support tort reform to limit such excesses that raises the cost of living while restricting liberty. But I see no reason why my co-pilot shouldn't be able to use the features of the system. If I can do so safely, how is anyone harmed?

This is exactly why our constitution was written specifically to prevent government from infringing on personal and state's prerogatives. Legally speaking, your position is 'prior restraint' and penalizes an individual for something they didn't yet do. I believe this is wrong. It certainly suggests an elitist point of view to state, "Too many people just don't get it."

I do support your right to make your case, no matter how much I disagree. Furthermore, I won't attack or ridicule you in a personal way despite our disagreement. Civility is the oil in human contact.
I guess I can't complain too much. After all, it's the opinions and actions of those like yourself that ensure my job security. For that, thank you very much!

bbjorklund99
05-04-11, 11:29 PM
My big problem with Government deciding what is good for everyone is pretty soon they decide what kind of cars we can buy and what kind of house we can live in and how we should raise our kids and spend our money. I know there are people in this country that can't think for themselves but for the most part I wish the Government would stay out of my life. They are good at providing law enforcement, utilities, etc. but I don't believe they should legislate us to death.

Many may not agree with me but I have seen the government put their nose in areas they have no business being involved.

ddalder
05-04-11, 11:45 PM
I agree, government does need to be careful about over-regulation. I enjoy freedom as much as anyone else. Perhaps I'm a little biased, and maybe because I rarely ever deal with "good" situations. But this in itself has shown me a larger slice of society than many are directly exposed to and some of the consistent problems that exist. What I have learned is rules are "generally" created for a reason. Whether it be financial, emotional, physical or some other type of harm, people don't simply sit in a room and form legistlation because they have nothing else to fill their day. Many laws simply wouldn't exist if it weren't for consistently demonstrated problems. Evidence doesn't lie and there's plenty of it out there.

KRSTS
05-05-11, 07:47 AM
Or enough noise or money by a single issue minority:worship: