: I have an itch for an Audi. I want a TT Roadster.



Jesda
05-03-11, 05:21 AM
Please opine.

What usually goes wrong? What powertrain configurations should be avoided? Seems more sensible than my idea from last year, a Porsche Boxster.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-03-11, 08:30 AM
The dealer I work at took in an early TT Roadster late last winter...I was really unimpressed. Lousy interior build quality...terrible panel gaps...cheap materials.....no space inside... I don't remember if it was fast or anything, but it just felt cheap inside. It was a V6 coupe.

OffThaHorseCEO
05-03-11, 11:22 AM
top gear hated on em, but they hate on everything

Lord Cadillac
05-03-11, 11:45 AM
There's fast ones and there's slow ones.. Don't get a slow one. :o

ThumperPup
05-03-11, 12:27 PM
the early TT's i hated the body style on the little round bodys they had i test drove one maybe back in 03 i think
that think stank just saying not my ideal car

get an R8 man youll have much more fun

Lord Cadillac
05-03-11, 12:40 PM
I think the Audi R8 costs a few dollars more...


the early TT's i hated the body style on the little round bodys they had i test drove one maybe back in 03 i think
that think stank just saying not my ideal car

get an R8 man youll have much more fun

gary88
05-03-11, 12:46 PM
http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/

dkozloski
05-03-11, 12:54 PM
The general opinion around here is that you can't keep them out of the shop.

thebigjimsho
05-03-11, 12:59 PM
Why not get a Beetle? Same car, more gheyness, less $$$...

orconn
05-03-11, 01:09 PM
I don't know why, but somehow I think it would be the perfect car for you. It does have character, you are unlikely to park next to one ..... just remember it's an Audi!

hueterm
05-03-11, 01:11 PM
Get an Eos... Complete the journey...

ThumperPup
05-03-11, 01:16 PM
I think the Audi R8 costs a few dollars more...

yeah but its sure worth it come on Jesda go for the R8 they rock so iv heard come on you can do it go for it

ThumperPup
05-03-11, 01:18 PM
Jesda just go find a 1960s Super Beatle

thebigjimsho
05-03-11, 01:51 PM
yeah but its sure worth it come on Jesda go for the R8 they rock so iv heard come on you can do it go for it
Maybe your daddy can buy him one...

thebigjimsho
05-03-11, 01:53 PM
Besides, Jesda already wrecked an R8...






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQLM-K9TwWM

thebigjimsho
05-03-11, 01:56 PM
Then there is this ghai with the potty mouth...







http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUC-4cCOyqw&NR=1

ThumperPup
05-03-11, 02:12 PM
he still should get one and wreck it see how much fun it can be lol
naw but really

he needs an R8 or an S8 hmm did they even make S8 this yedar i didnt htink they realeased them for 2011 yet maybe they have

but for sure a TT would better fit him for a beatle

ThumperPup
05-03-11, 02:18 PM
Maybe your daddy can buy him one...

i would ask but he is still way to upset with me for taking you mom out to dinner and using his card to pay says shes to old and cranky from what he heard LOL

thebigjimsho
05-03-11, 02:37 PM
Well, if she was spending any time with your dad, I could see why...

Florian
05-03-11, 03:35 PM
easy, ladies.

F

ga_etc
05-03-11, 04:03 PM
Jesda, whatever you end up with, remember to check the mirrors and make sure they're big enough.

ThumperPup
05-03-11, 04:33 PM
Jesda, whatever you end up with, remember to check the mirrors and make sure they're big enough.

yeah almost forgot that one

guess he realy miss's ducky
wonder what hes not tleling us i bet the HG's ont he seville went and hes just ashamed to let us know that happend right after ducky left and now he's got nothing or osmehting along those lines

ga_etc
05-03-11, 04:48 PM
Jesda's a lot like I am. If the HGs turned completely loose on the STS he would be on here talking about it. Or at the very least on FB. I've seen nothing from him on either site and haven't heard anything from him or Ian other than surprise that the car is still doing good. Theory dismissed.

And he probably does miss Ducky. He's had the car for over a year and spent a lot of money on it. That's part of why it's sitting at my house right now. He trusts me enough to take care of the car while he's away.

ryannel2003
05-03-11, 05:15 PM
Ian wants to buy my STS, that's why he isn't as worried about Jesda's haha.

ThumperPup
05-03-11, 05:16 PM
Jesda's a lot like I am. If the HGs turned completely loose on the STS he would be on here talking about it. Or at the very least on FB. I've seen nothing from him on either site and haven't heard anything from him or Ian other than surprise that the car is still doing good. Theory dismissed.

And he probably does miss Ducky. He's had the car for over a year and spent a lot of money on it. That's part of why it's sitting at my house right now. He trusts me enough to take care of the car while he's away.

away i thought you had ducky because your car took a crap on you and broke down
now its because he's away what happened did someone call INS was he deported

ga_etc
05-03-11, 05:40 PM
away i thought you had ducky because your car took a crap on you and broke down
now its because he's away what happened did someone call INS was he deported

He and I are friends and he trusts me enough to look after Ducky while he's out of town, and yes the fact that the Thunderbird took a dump on me came into play. That's obvious.

As far as your INS comment. That's way beyond uncalled for.

orconn
05-03-11, 06:02 PM
Jesda, why don't you get one of thgose reproduction Prsche Speedsters. Now that would be a cool runabout and with the old VW components probably cheap to maintain. Not so terminally cute as the Audi TT. By the way how are your Bergenstocks holding up!

ThumperPup
05-03-11, 06:16 PM
why not get a real american muscxle car likie a judge gto or a cuda AAR a mustang gt500 convertible forget about the imports

Florian
05-03-11, 06:46 PM
youre on thin ice, Thumper.....knock it off.

F

ThumperPup
05-03-11, 07:26 PM
what the heck did i say
i didn't say a think that probably wouldn't have crossed anyone elses mind in saying yikes

it's ok for ppl to have a little fun towards me but i say one dam thing about INS and deportation and i get yelled at snapped and tried to bite lol OMG
chill out doesn't anyone have a sense of humor


well im done in this thread im going to bow out before some other sht goes down
last thing i need is to get into it with someone

ryannel2003
05-03-11, 07:29 PM
Can I state the obvious or does somebody else want to say it for me?

ga_etc
05-03-11, 08:20 PM
I like it around here, so I'm going to bite my tongue. Not that it isn't SO very tempting.

Destroyer
05-03-11, 10:23 PM
why not get a real american muscxle car likie a judge gto or a cuda AAR a mustang gt500 convertible forget about the importsYour daddy buying? :sneaky:

Destroyer
05-03-11, 10:34 PM
I like it around here, so I'm going to bite my tongue. Not that it isn't SO very tempting.
Oh I've bitten that forbidden fruit and got banned. It was worth it. :thumbsup:

JimmyH
05-03-11, 11:20 PM
Please opine.

What usually goes wrong? What powertrain configurations should be avoided? Seems more sensible than my idea from last year, a Porsche Boxster.


If you get one, do I get a rematch? I have a faster car now, especially in parking lots...

Jesda
05-03-11, 11:47 PM
A used TT is about 10 grand.

Is Temperpoop under the impression that TTs are just a few shiny quarters away from an R8 supercar?

Destroyer
05-04-11, 12:10 AM
A used TT is about 10 grand.

Is Temperpoop under the impression that TTs are just a few shiny quarters away from an R8 supercar?

They are in the same ball park as a Shelby GT500 or an AAR Cuda too. Wish I could find those for $10k. :cool2:

hueterm
05-04-11, 12:11 AM
Hat trick? Anyone??

Destroyer
05-04-11, 12:13 AM
why not get a real american muscxle car likie a judge gto or a cuda AAR a mustang gt500 convertible forget about the importsThink for a minute. Think what an Audi TT is, here I'll supply a link: http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/2297487325.html . Now think about this, would a potential buyer for this Audi be interested in a Shelby GT500, GTO Judge or AAR Cuda? Probably not and definitely not in the same price range.

ThumperPup
05-04-11, 12:35 AM
Think for a minute. Think what an Audi TT is, here I'll supply a link: http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/2297487325.html . Now think about this, would a potential buyer for this Audi be interested in a Shelby GT500, GTO Judge or AAR Cuda? Probably not and definitely not in the same price range.

what is your issue dude
you get 2 other threads closed because your being a rear end in them so since you cant hit me in them you decide to come over here and herass me lol

i was just F-ing around when i said that crap erlier in here about the R8 i knew that it was to pricey and probalby out of his price rang on top of it being goood 4 to 6 month waiting list for a brand new one in most areas

lol

you make me sick

ThumperPup
05-04-11, 12:36 AM
They are in the same ball park as a Shelby GT500 or an AAR Cuda too. Wish I could find those for $10k. :cool2:

you can't but i know where you can find a few for around 60k right here
why don;t you go read the thread above her do do bird

Jesda
05-04-11, 12:48 AM
10k...

60k...

There's a $50k difference.

"Hey man, ditch that 2-bedroom apartment and just move to Monaco!"

gary88
05-04-11, 12:58 AM
Have you considered a Murcielago? Surely they can't be that much more expensive seeing how Lamborghini is owned by Audi and everything.

ga_etc
05-04-11, 01:02 AM
Can you find an apartment in Monaco with a semi-spacious loft like area? I know how much you covet that area in your current place.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-04-11, 01:03 AM
Bugatti is toying with the idea of taking in two used TT's and getting a new Veyron for it.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-04-11, 01:17 AM
But in all seriousness, Jesda, I wouldn't own a TT myself....too feminine...not sporty/fast enough and a sketchy reputation for quality & reliability.

How about a Z3/Z4 or a 350Z convertible? Much more fun to drive, lighter, RWD (instead of a front biased AWD), and more reliable, faster too..

Jesda
05-04-11, 05:09 AM
Not really interested in alternatives. TT or no TT.

ted tcb
05-04-11, 11:12 AM
Jesda, you've wanted a Miata for years.

Time to have some real automotive fun, and experience driving in it's purest form with a Miata.
$5k gets you a really nice NA, $10k gets you your pick of virtually any Miata out there.

Jesda
05-04-11, 11:20 AM
I don't really want a Miata right now. *shrug*

Sometimes you feel like a nut. Sometimes you don't. Almond Joy's got nuts. Mounds don't.

Sevillian273
05-04-11, 11:28 AM
I like TTs :bouncy2:

orconn
05-04-11, 01:17 PM
I don't really want a Miata right now. *shrug*

Sometimes you feel like a nut. Sometimes you don't. Almond Joy's got nuts. Mounds don't.

Well, there's your answer. Despite all the sage advice of the Forums' omniscient auto critics you still want a TT .... throw caution to the wind and saddle up a TT!

Jesda
05-04-11, 03:02 PM
It's not about a determined lack of caution. it's about finding the model's biggest issues and figuring out whether they are manageable. That's why I'm looking for specifics rather than generalizations -- I already have my own negative preconceptions about VW quality.

So far, fwd manual 1.8s look like my best bet, but early timing belt failure is a real concern.

JimmyH
05-04-11, 03:26 PM
You are going to have a hard time finding ANY car geared to enthusiasts that is free of common problems.

JimmyH's law #7; there are reliable cars, then there are fun cars. They don't coexist.

orconn
05-04-11, 04:31 PM
I would have to agree with JimmyH, however, I have owned a fun car that was without issues. My Alfa Romeo 164 turned out to be the most reliable and the best car I have ever owned.

But even so, I would not give an unqualified recommendation to a car that is now at least fifteen years old and may have bee neglected by its' second third or fourth owner! Or have suffered at the hands of some ignorant or unskilled Chrysler dealer tech, or worse a backyard mechanic!

Jesda
05-04-11, 06:02 PM
You are going to have a hard time finding ANY car geared to enthusiasts that is free of common problems.


The question is whether a car's issues are predictable, manageable, and preventable. High maintenance is okay, but random and unexpected failures aren't.

The early Boxster's engine failure, for example, is sudden, random, and unpredictable, so I lost interest in the car.

JimmyH
05-04-11, 06:06 PM
^basically, any used car is a crapshoot. I think many are finding that is true with new cars also.

Jesda
05-04-11, 06:10 PM
You can mitigate the risk with research! That's the great thing about forums.

I feel sorry for every Cadillac owner who shows up here with "The Deville I just bought is overheating..."

Submariner409
05-04-11, 06:15 PM
^basically, any used car is a crapshoot. I think many are finding that is true with new cars also.

During my 55 years of car ownership, both new and used from every type and style, that statement was, and is, true.

orconn
05-04-11, 06:47 PM
^^^ I agree with Sub, but I also agree with Jesda on research improving the odds of getting a less troublesome car. Unfortunately with new cars the problems don't show up initially but take a few years to become an obvious trend.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-04-11, 09:07 PM
So far, fwd manual 1.8s look like my best bet, but early timing belt failure is a real concern.

Like your friend said on Facebok, the 1.8t is notorious for oil coking issues caused by people using a conventional oil instead of the factory recommended synthetic. That can be fixed, but it's expensive....you'll run the oil cleaners through the crankcase, and that'll take care of most of your issues, but you'll probably have to take the engine apart and manually go through some of it, especially the oil pickup tube.

But if you find one that's already had that done, then you'll be OK. As far as "early timing belt failure", wouldn't that have already happened now considering the age and mileage of the TT's you're looking at?

Just out of curiosity, what is it that you like so much about the TT?

ThumperPup
05-04-11, 09:29 PM
Not really interested in alternatives. TT or no TT.

Then you should decide on NO TT

Destroyer
05-04-11, 11:18 PM
You can mitigate the risk with research! That's the great thing about forums.

I feel sorry for every Cadillac owner who shows up here with "The Deville I just bought is overheating..."Research can scare you away from damn nice cars. You used the Deville overheating as an example, strike true BUT what if I bought a Deville that just had Jake's stud kit installed and was completely gone through by the previous owner? I'd have a nice car at a bargain basement price. The chances are slim but I feel that I've had that kind of luck with cars most people find "unreliable" (except my Deville, of course). It's all about luck and previous maintenance. Orconn had great luck with his Alfa Romeo 164, a car that would scare most of us away because of it's obscurity and expensive + hard to get parts. If you are not too worried about repairs go for it, if you are then the world has plenty reliable Toyota's and Honda's for your taking. :cool2:

thebigjimsho
05-05-11, 12:17 AM
I don't really want a Miata right now. *shrug*

Sometimes you feel like a nut. Sometimes you don't. Almond Joy's got nuts. Mounds don't.
Have you driven a TT, Jesda? I kinda like the looks and it has a typically cool Audi interior. But it drives like p00p, IMO. It is the Beetle underneath.

Now, a new TT is a different story. But then you're getting closer to the TP buyer's guide on buying cars that are 20x the amount you're willing to spend...

thebigjimsho
05-05-11, 12:17 AM
You are going to have a hard time finding ANY car geared to enthusiasts that is free of common problems.

JimmyH's law #7; there are reliable cars, then there are fun cars. They don't coexist.
A V1 is pretty damn close.

hueterm
05-05-11, 12:43 AM
I think there is a cream for the Audi TT itch...you just have to get enough of it up in your mangina to take effect.

However, since you have to turn in your manhood when you buy one, that shouldn't be a problem...

:osnap:

thebigjimsho
05-05-11, 01:33 AM
lulz.

Jesda
05-05-11, 02:40 AM
Research can scare you away from damn nice cars. You used the Deville overheating as an example, strike true BUT what if I bought a Deville that just had Jake's stud kit installed and was completely gone through by the previous owner? I'd have a nice car at a bargain basement price.

And if you do your research, you know to look for such a thing.

When buying anything, the more you know, the better.

ben.gators
05-05-11, 03:31 AM
I like TTs :bouncy2:

OK, that's it, TT is approved, Jesda buy a TT, but you need to promise us that you will post the pictures with a complete review.... :D

JimmyH
05-05-11, 12:42 PM
A V1 is pretty damn close.

if you leave it parked

thebigjimsho
05-05-11, 09:47 PM
Minus the diff, mine was a tank. And that was with dozens of autocrosses and track days.

JimmyH
05-05-11, 09:52 PM
A tank on the differential exchange program... http://www.cooleywire.com/jimmyh/pics/gif/biggrin.gif

thebigjimsho
05-05-11, 10:06 PM
Not with the 4th gen diff.

ted tcb
05-05-11, 11:42 PM
Jesda, here is a list of common parts, and at what mileage they were
replaced on a TT (kilometers).
The list is an eye opener ... came from a sticky on the TT forum.

Rear Bushes 90000
1st coil pack 50000
2nd coil pack 60000
3rd coil pack 0
4th coil pack 0
abs controller whole system 60000
alarm siren 40000
All round brake pads and disks 60000
Alternator 80000
anti roll bar 90000
anti roll bushes 70000
anti roll bushes 90000
anti roll collars 90000
ball joints 70000
battery 50000
Battery 50000
battery 70000
Battery 80000
brake pipe 100000
cam belt 60000
cam belt 70000
cat 70000
centre flasher switch 70000
Clutch 60000
Clutch 70000
Clutch 90000
Clutch 90000
Clutch 100000
Clutch 100000
Clutch 100000
Clutch 100000
clutch fly 60000
Clutch Pedal 60000
Clutch pedal 60000
Clutch Pedal 80000
Clutch Pedal 80000
Clutch Pedal 80000
Clutch Pedal 90000
Clutch Pedal 100000
coil pack 70000
conrod 90000
control arm bushings 70000
coolant temp sensor 40000
coolant temp sensor 90000
cooling fan 20000
cooling fan 70000
cornering lamps system 0
corrosion around front window 0
dampers 70000
dashpod 70000
dashpod 20000
dashpod 80000
drop link bushes 90000
droplinks 70000
emergency lights system 0
exhaust valve head 80000
Front anti roll bar 40000
front AR bushings 30000
front AR bushings 40000
front AR bushings 90000
Front AR Bushings 90000
front bottom ball joint 90000
front bushes on rear swinging arm 130000
front discs 30000
front discs 80000
Front drop links 80000
Front drop links 90000
Front drop links 0
front droplink bushings 90000
Front R ABS Sensor. 80000
Front spings and top bushs 50000
front springs 70000
front springs 70000
front wheel bearings 90000
fuel pump 30000
Fuel pump 30000
gear box 0
Haldex controler 60000
haldex controller 120000
haldex oil and filter 70000
head light washer 70000
heater core 70000
High Brake Light 80000
Indicator Repeater unit 30000
l strut 70000
lamda sensor 60000
Lower arm suspension bush 70000
MAF 40000
MAF 50000
MAF 50000
MAF 90000
MAF 100000
master cylinder 50000
master cylinder 90000
n75 50000
O/S Front CV Boot 30000
O/S Front CV Boot 70000
O/S Front CV Boot 90000
oil pan 70000
post cat lamda 50000
post cat lamda 70000
power steering pipes 90000
pre-cat lamda 70000
r strut 70000
radio volume control 50000
rear anti rollbar 70000
rear brake pads 70000
rear brake rotors 70000
rear dampers 70000
rear discs 30000
rear discs 80000
rear spring 40000
Rear Spring 70000
rear spring 70000
Rear spring 70000
Rear Spring 80000
Rear Spring 80000
rear spring 90000
RL tie bar 110000
Roadster Roof Hydraulics 80000
secondary air injection pump 70000
slave cylinder 80000
slave cylinder 80000
slave cylinder 90000
spark plugs 70000
Steering rack 80000
strut bearings 70000
Suspension top mounts 70000
temp sender 40000
Temperature Sensor 70000
Temperature Sensor 70000
Temperature Sensor 80000
the 'turn the car on' sensor!! 50000
Thermostat 40000
Thermostat 70000
Thermostat 70000
Thermostat 90000
Thermostat 130000
tie rod ends 70000
timing chain tensioner seals 70000
top mounts 70000
track rod ends 90000
Track Rods 90000
Turbo Impeler seized 80000
valve cover gasket 70000
Water pump 30000
Water pump 50000
water pump 60000
water pump 70000
water pump 100000
Water temp sensor 70000
Wheel speed sensor 50000
window wouldnt go up 70000
wishbone bushes 40000

drewsdeville
05-05-11, 11:51 PM
Lolz. A lot of that list is a bunch of cheap thermostats, water pumps, suspension bushings, and other general maintenance items.

I think this board could make a lot longer and more expensive list that's based on the FWD N* STS, which he already owns.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-05-11, 11:55 PM
Yeah, but some of that stuff shouldn't crap out....turbo impeller at 80k? Water pumps five times over? MAF five times over?

None of that is gonna be easy or cheap to replace.... Remember the headaches that went with that Crossfire??

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-05-11, 11:55 PM
Yeah, but some of that stuff shouldn't crap out....turbo impeller at 80k? Water pumps five times over? MAF five times over?

None of that is gonna be easy or cheap to replace.... Remember the headaches that went with that Crossfire??

drewsdeville
05-06-11, 12:04 AM
That's a collective list from many cars on the TT forum, not just one like Ted states. That's why I say we can come up with a more impressive list here for the car type he currently has. (Omitting a comparison, it would still be a neat idea to incorporate here on cf.com)

Here's the sticky he refers to. It's a list generated by the OP that he edits as members contribute. If you read the posts below the list, you'll find that some members admit that some of their failures were due to abuse and that some repairs were not necessary.

http://www.tt-forum.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=174896

Overall, Jesda doesn't seem to be too concerned about the possibility of a $2500+ hg job on his current car (which has already shown signs of failure), and I really don't see anything nearly as severe or expensive on that list. The worst I see on there is one guy who had the entire ABS system replaced. Everything else is relatively low-buck and isn't really unique to the TT. Thermostats, ball joints, water pumps, control arm bushings, brakes, clutches, and sensors are all game on any make or model.

If he can handle maintenance on a N* STS, a TT shouldn't be terrifying.

ted tcb
05-06-11, 12:15 AM
Drew is right, it is a collective list which the original poster updated.

The point of the list was that most of these problems were common, and most of the respondents were
very unhappy with the spotty reliability.
Like Chad, I was thinking that the TT is no better than Jesda's Crossfire.

Here is the link:
http://www.tt-forum.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=174896

orconn
05-06-11, 12:47 AM
Lolz. A lot of that list is a bunch of cheap thermostats, water pumps, suspension bushings, and other general maintenance items.

I think this board could make a lot longer and more expensive list that's based on the FWD N* STS, which he already owns.

I think your comparison of the TT's list of parts needing replacement with that of a Seville STS is rather ignorant of needs of the Cadillac. My wife's 1993 Seville STS which we sold when it was 15 years old with 94,000. miles had only required an Air conditioner compressor, a front wheel bearing, brakes front and rear, coil packs and general maintenance items like 100,000 tune up, oil changes, tires and coolant changes every two years. Quite a difference from the TT or many other Germans cars for that matter!

As I have often said, if people spent as much maintaining thir Cadillacs, as it would to do regualar maintenance on their Mercedes, their Cadillacs would go a !,000,000 miles too!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-06-11, 12:58 AM
Yeah, there's no way you can compare the running costs of most any Cadillac to a high end German car.... Believe me, I've been there.

Destroyer
05-06-11, 01:18 AM
And if you do your research, you know to look for such a thing.

When buying anything, the more you know, the better.At my shop I have a neighbor named Joe. Joe is a mechanic. Anyway, he constantly gets cars in his shop that need repairs. Repairs the owners can't afford in many instances. Just last week a guy brings an '00 CLK 320 (vert) to his shop. He needs a water pump, convertible top motor replacement, power seat motor replacement and a miscellaneous issue with the motor. Joe does his homework and gives him a very realistic quote of $3500 for all the work. In an effort to talk Joe down in price guy states he "used to make over $100k/year" when he bought the car but now is jobless and has a home in foreclosure..........blah, blah. Joe say's "if you don't have the money, don't own a Mercedes". Words of wisdom. Buy something else Jesda. :cool2:

Destroyer
05-06-11, 01:22 AM
Yeah, there's no way you can compare the running costs of most any Cadillac to a high end German car.... Believe me, I've been there.
I really don't think the difference is as much as you think. ALL luxury cars are expensive to fix. Old school cars like the Lincoln Town Car may be an exception but most are not. Just for the record, my '98 Deville cost me much more than my '97 S320 in repairs and I didn't even have the H/G issue fixed on the Deville. It's all about luck my friend.

orconn
05-06-11, 01:34 AM
I really don't think the difference is as much as you think. ALL luxury cars are expensive to fix. Old school cars like the Lincoln Town Car may be an exception but most are not. Just for the record, my '98 Deville cost me much more than my '97 S320 in repairs and I didn't even have the H/G issue fixed on the Deville. It's all about luck my friend.

Used cars (cars in general) are a matter of "the luck of the draw," so you got a used Cadillac that needed a lot of work and you lucked out on you Mercedes. How long did you own each of these cars? Something tells me you didn't have them very long, in which case a cost comparison would not be very indicative of cost of each to maintain. Having witnessed the cost of maintining Mercedes-Benz cars over long periods of time, and having owned Cadillacs and Jaguars,over long periods of time I can tell you that the Mercedes were far more costly. Routine, by the book, maintenance of a Mercedes called for the replacement of many parts, whether worn out or not, that would be only changed on the other two makes when they were worn out.

Destroyer
05-06-11, 01:44 AM
Used cars (cars in general) are a matter of "the luck of the draw," so you got a used Cadillac that needed a lot of work and you lucked out on you Mercedes. How long did you own each of these cars? Something tells me you didn't have them very long, in which case a cost comparison would not be very indicative of cost of each to maintain. Having witnessed the cost of maintining Mercedes-Benz cars over long periods of time, and having owned Cadillacs and Jaguars,over long periods of time I can tell you that the Mercedes were far more costly. Routine, by the book, maintenance of a Mercedes called for the replacement of many parts, whether worn out or not, that would be only changed on the other two makes when they were worn out.
I had the Mercedes for 2 years and the Deville for 1. The Mercedes had no problems the Deville had several. It's a crap shoot. I would much rather put money into a car like the Mercedes than a Deville if it called for it. The Mercedes was a much better car on all counts save for power output. I feel the same way about the my current Jaguar. It's just a lot nicer than a Deville and based on what I paid for it, a few thousand bucks in repairs every few years seems feasible. The Cadillac (unfortunately) didn't drive anything like the Mercedes or Jaguar thus making it an unfortunate mistake for me.

Jesda
05-06-11, 04:59 AM
Lots of interesting points. Its always true that you have to pay to play, but I prefer maintenance items to things that could unexpectedly leave me stranded. I do take a lot of road trips, and electrical issues tend to be unpredictable.

The Miata is, obviously, the ideal roadster, but I'm not really looking for one at the moment. Audi/VW are quite foreign to me, thus the interest.

As for Cadillacs and maintenance costs, my '92 and my '01 have crossed the country over and over without any issues. I do know that the head gasket in the '01 is in the slow process of going bad. It doesn't overheat but it uses a quart of coolant every 10,000 miles. It'll get studded this fall or winter as long as the rest of the car holds up. It really is the best long-distance car ever. I've become really, really fond of it.

Playdrv4me
05-06-11, 05:06 AM
Quite a difference in complexity between an S Class and an Audi TT... I would not consider the TT anywhere near "high end"... It's a fancy Beetle for pete's sake. I think it's a perfectly acceptable choice for anyone who isn't discouraged by small niggling problems here and there. Change the timing belt every 40,000 miles and you have virtually bulletproof insurance against a failure (since the lowest failures seem to be in the high 40k mile range). Do it as soon as you buy the car (or find one that's had it recently done), and that's still 3 to 5 years of driving per change, and it's unlikely he'll keep it any longer than that.

So outside of that, we have a lot of conjecture, and a couple of solid concerns:

1. Coking of oil passages per Chad.

2. Drives like p00p per Jim.

So it would seem synthetic oil and a test drive are in order.

JimmyH
05-06-11, 01:28 PM
so does that list mean you have to replace the clutch at 100000 miles 4 times?

Jesda
05-06-11, 06:42 PM
I believe the list is a collection of reports from various users, not just one super unfortunate Audi owner.

Not to say that there aren't any super unfortunate owners out there...

CTSV_Rob
05-06-11, 11:35 PM
The dealer I work at took in an early TT Roadster late last winter...I was really unimpressed. Lousy interior build quality...terrible panel gaps...cheap materials.....no space inside... I don't remember if it was fast or anything, but it just felt cheap inside. It was a V6 coupe.
This car felt small to you Chad?

gdwriter
05-07-11, 12:50 AM
...electrical issues tend to be unpredictable.Tell me about it.

Betty has been at my mechanic's since Wednesday trying to track down the short that is draining the battery. He's narrowed it down to somewhere under the dash and still has the dash in pieces. One short seems to be coming from some fried wires to the cigarette lighter and there may also be an short coming from the wiring to the HVAC blower motor. I'm probably looking at $500-$600 at this point. And this is for a relatively simple car albeit one that's 47 years old.


It really is the best long-distance car ever. I've become really, really fond of it.That's one of several reasons why I love my Seville. Like you, I can't imagine a better car for a long road trip. And as a daily driver, I also find it ideal.

However, once I find a car I really like, I tend to keep it. I have no plans to replace Sabrina anytime soon, and I will never sell Betty. That car is part of me, and I will pass it on to one of my nieces or nephews.

Considering the money you've put into Ducky, honestly I would keep it, drive the whee out of it and enjoy it. That car has character out the wazoo, and if you're going to have a quirky, European convertible, there's nothing that fits the bill like a Saab.

Honestly, I don't know that much about TTs, but they don't strike me as anything all that special (unlike Ducky). You already know the issues with that car and have addressed most of them. I know you sometimes have the automotive equivalent of ADD, but I'd rather keep a car that I know and love rather than trade it for something that you might not like nearly as much and could prove to have all kinds of issues as well.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-07-11, 09:40 AM
This car felt small to you Chad?

Yup, and I'm pretty sure Newton would be cramped in those rear seats.

hueterm
05-07-11, 09:46 AM
"get out of the car, bitch, so I can bite your ass for sticking me in the back of this pricey beetle..."

thebigjimsho
05-07-11, 08:25 PM
Yeah, there's no way you can compare the running costs of most any Cadillac to a high end German car.... Believe me, I've been there.
The TT, however, is not a high end German vehicle. It's a rebadged Beetle.

thebigjimsho
05-07-11, 08:29 PM
The TT, however, is not a high end German vehicle. It's a rebadged Beetle.
And Mr. Obvious should read the 3rd page of posts before poasting...

orconn
05-07-11, 08:54 PM
"get out of the car, bitch, so I can bite your ass for sticking me in the back of this pricey beetle..."

Baretta would say, while lifting his leg, "dis ting is for dachels (dachshunds), looks like a motorized cow pie!"

hueterm
05-07-11, 10:52 PM
Unfortunately, Beretta wouldn't care what kind of car it was...as long as he could ride in it...

Unless he couldn't fit in it, which may be the case w/a TT.

Poor Newton, however, could be made to sit back there.

Abuse.

Jesda
05-08-11, 05:08 AM
http://www.q45.org/gallery/gallery3/var/albums/auditt.jpg

Just paid cash for it.


$3.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-08-11, 09:14 AM
Glad you got that out of your system.

Now go drive a nice Z3 and forget all about this "silly" little Audi.

Jesda
05-08-11, 10:53 AM
The non-M Z3 is inferior to the purer and simpler Miata.

JimmyH
05-08-11, 12:01 PM
There is probably a Solstice out there that is cheaper, and probably cost less to repair than Saabs, Audis, BMWs and Mazdas.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-08-11, 12:34 PM
Sky Redline FTW.

gary88
05-08-11, 01:08 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU6uvU1Ebnc

Stingroo
05-08-11, 01:08 PM
Chad = genius.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-08-11, 01:14 PM
We've got a base Solstice at work. White/black top and black cloth interior. The size of the car is great, but it's cramped inside and I cannot move the seat up or down, so I don't have the best visibility out of it. If it had a power seat, it would be much better IMO. I find that the Sky is much, much sharper looking inside & out.

CTSV_Rob
05-08-11, 01:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU6uvU1Ebnc
"like driving a clown car" :rofl:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-08-11, 01:54 PM
He's pretty spot on about the sort that bought TT's, atleast when they were new.

Aron9000
05-08-11, 01:57 PM
^ I feel the same as Chad about the Solstice/Sky. Way too cramped inside, and I'm all of 5'6" tall. Door sills are way too high and the way the windshield is makes it feel like you're sitting in a bathtub. Not to mention the lack of a trunk. Seriously, I think you could fit maybe two small fedex document boxes back there.

Miatas have a lot more space, the seating position/ergonomics are light years ahead, and they have a trunk. Granted its tiny, but if you pack light, you and your parnter can fit everything in there for a weekend getaway.

Its kind of sad that I'd still pick a 20 year old Mazda over the Solstice/Sky, regardless of price.

JimmyH
05-08-11, 03:05 PM
Solsticeis what it is because of styling. Miatas are great but a dime a dozen.

orconn
05-08-11, 06:00 PM
http://www.q45.org/gallery/gallery3/var/albums/auditt.jpg

Just paid cash for it.


$3.


You certainly paid top dollar! Hey, if you are going to buy a TT that is the way to do it. Seriously, Jesda, if you are really into small "kiddy" cars, look into getting a Japanese "Figaro" available in wide assortment of fifties pastel colors and it is rumored that many come with an evil clown suit "gratis!"

Destroyer
05-10-11, 12:23 AM
When the TT was new my wife wanted one. I talked her out of it. Still, if having an "Audi" is an itch you need scratch, get a real one. :cool2:

Aron9000
05-10-11, 04:31 AM
When the TT was new my wife wanted one. I talked her out of it. Still, if having an "Audi" is an itch you need scratch, get a real one. :cool2:

A real Audi has its engine mounted longitudinally with quattro all wheel drive. No exceptions.

Playdrv4me
05-10-11, 06:04 AM
A "real" Audi is also infinitely more complex.

Destroyer
05-10-11, 09:36 AM
A "real" Audi is also infinitely more complex.
So a "TT" is based on a bug? Is the bug that unreliable? I was looking at them when looking for an economy car for daily use. I saw many with over 150k miles. If they have the same mechanicals it would seem the TT should be no less reliable. I think the TT is better looking than a bug but I don't know much about them. :cool2:

JimmyH
05-10-11, 02:10 PM
A "real" Audi is also infinitely more complex.

and like all current luxury cars, is morbidly obese.

ga_etc
05-10-11, 07:24 PM
Is the bug that unreliable? I was looking at them when looking for an economy car for daily use.

Destroyer driving a Beetle... I think I would actually pay to see that. But, it would have to be yellow, and still have the flowers in the "vase".

Destroyer
05-11-11, 12:07 AM
Destroyer driving a Beetle... I think I would actually pay to see that. But, it would have to be yellow, and still have the flowers in the "vase".NICE! I bought a Ford Escort ZX2 and HATE IT!!! Me and economy cars never got along.:cool2:

hueterm
05-11-11, 01:36 PM
I rented a Beetle for a day in Orlando once. I rented from National where you just go pick any car in a class....and since I wasn't going to be meeting anyone (who would then see me driving it), I figured WTH...

Although I'd never buy one, it actually wasn't bad. It does have a lot of room in the front seats. It wouldn't be a bad commuter car, if as a single man you didn't care to be flaming down the street w/a flower in your vase...

As to the reliability, I've heard they're terrible -- but I don't know the specifics...

ga_etc
05-11-11, 07:24 PM
I've hear the Beetles have a lot of plastic components in the motor and a lot of stuff is dealer only. I have no idea how true that is though.

Playdrv4me
05-12-11, 02:59 AM
So a "TT" is based on a bug? Is the bug that unreliable? I was looking at them when looking for an economy car for daily use. I saw many with over 150k miles. If they have the same mechanicals it would seem the TT should be no less reliable. I think the TT is better looking than a bug but I don't know much about them. :cool2:

No that's what I meant... that as a "pseudo" Audi with Audi styling but essentially basic VW internals, it shouldn't really command the same attention and pocketbook abuse a "real" Audi does.

Aron9000
05-12-11, 02:20 PM
I had a female friend who owned an early 2000's Turbo Beetle. Said it was something every other month wrong with that car, and that it was hideously expensive to fix, even by her vw specialist. I remember her saying that the dealer charged her $100 to change a headlight bulb. Apparently you have to remove the front tire and a bunch of other crap to even get at it. That was her first and last trip to the dealer lol.

JimmyH
05-12-11, 03:53 PM
One of my wife's friends has a Beetle. TDI. Reverse no longer works. She can only pull into parking spaces that are on an incline. They want $4k for a rebuilt trans.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-12-11, 09:19 PM
So Jesda, did this end up killing your desire for a TT?