: Let's talk full sized vans!



I~LUV~Caddys8792
04-26-11, 10:17 PM
At 263,000 trusty and faithful miles, it's finally gotten to the point where my boss has decided to start looking at replacing the Astro. Mainly because it's getting too expensive to have to keep fixing it every month or two.... Figure about $500 a month in repairs on average, but again I'm driving about 5,000 miles per month in it.

I'm looking at the Econolines and Expresses. I want something a bit larger than the Astro (other vendors in my line of work rely on those instead of the smaller Astros & Safaris), but I don't want a big one-ton, 15 passenger monster. A simple half-ton with the 4.6, 5.4, 5.3 or 5.7 V8 would be perfect. I want it to be big enough where space inside isn't an issue, but small enough to fit in my full sized garage (smaller than 225" long). I checked the EPA fuel mileage estimates and both the Fords and Chevys will get about 14/18 or 14/19, depending on which V8 you go with....not much of a difference there at all.

My biggest concern with both of these is how well they ride and their durability. I don't want something that's gonna need constant attention or something that's gonna shake my teeth out and make me regret getting rid of my smooth riding Astro.

What do you guys say? Or are they both a pretty solid choice?

No Sprinters or Transit Expresses either.

hueterm
04-26-11, 10:43 PM
As loaded down as you'll have it, either half ton will ride fine. My dad buys Econolines for his HVAC business. They run forever. He had an E-150 and now has an E-350. He says the 350 is pretty rough, even really loaded down.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
04-26-11, 10:47 PM
I drove an '02 E350 Club Wagon (15 pass) van today, and a '97 Express 1500 (12 passenger). I much preferred the Express....rode smoother, had better steering feel, the 5.7 made more power than the 5.4, was much quieter overall.. I want to drive an E150, as everyone says that the Econoline rides much better than the Express and has a nicer interior....I found that to be the opposite of the truth, today anyways. I thought the Econoline had an awful interior and the ergonomics were terrible.

Rolex
04-26-11, 11:05 PM
Get yourself a Quigley conversion. :eyebrow:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/rolex/van_2.jpg

I'd LOVE to own one.

thebigjimsho
04-26-11, 11:17 PM
I'm not a fan of the Econolines, either. All the ones my company had rode awfully. And the rattles would drive me to drink...

cadillac kevin
04-26-11, 11:45 PM
my dad currently has a 99 econoline 350 super duty with the 7.3 turbo diesel. it is a very very reliable truck (close to 300k last time I checked). It has very little repair cost overall (except diesel oil is expensive and must be changed often.) if the brake rotors need to be replaced, it will be very very costly (since the E350 has massive 4 wheel disc brakes.) it gets 15mpg overall whether empty or loaded down. it has plenty of power and I barely have to touch the pedal to get it to move when loaded down.
now the bad: interior leaves much to be desired. the seats are very uncomfortable- like sitting on padded boards. I often hit my head on the roof mounted rear door clasp. the roof could be about 1 ft taller. the diesel motor is louder than the radio, even at idle. you have to talk very loudly (bordering on shouting) to a passenger just to be heard and you have to have the phone next to your ear and on speakerphone to carry a conversation.
a couple of my dad's friends have the triton V8's in their ford vans (E250's). they all get about 10-12 mpg no matter what and don't have near the power of the diesel motors.

maeng9981
04-27-11, 01:39 AM
My family has a 2006 Chevy Express Passenger/Conversion van (without extra top or body kits), 7 seater. Vortec LM7 5.3L 55,000 miles, mostly highway for road trips. Decent acceleration with plenty of power with about 4 people and 3rd row full of typical road trip items, it gets 17 mpg on highway - 70mph cruise on the interstate 40. I don't know if they did anything to the suspension system since it's a conversion van, but it rides nice and soft. Engine is very quiet when cruising, it has typical V8 roar when pushed.

It fits perfect for our 4 car garage. The van's about 6 ft 8 in tall and 225 in long.

In 5 years all we've done to the car was some warranty work for interior parts (conversion van parts) and oil/coolant change, light bulbs, tie rod ends, and tires. That's about it.

Jesda
04-27-11, 04:37 AM
The Nissan NV is coming. A Titan-based V8 van. Looks very promising.

Aron9000
04-27-11, 04:46 AM
I've heard those diesel sprinter vans get vastly better gas mileage than a v8 Econoline or Chevy Express. Might be something to bring up to your employer. Besides, we all know you pine for another Benz Chad, especially one you don't have to maintain.

96Fleetwood
04-27-11, 08:32 AM
My Mother has three 2001 E-350 Super Duty (bought new) vans for her business. They deliver within a 300 mile radius of her warehouse. They have anywhere between 130,000 to 210,000 miles on the original 5.4 liter Triton V8. Only one of them has a new transmission and that was replaced under warranty. I have driven them on several occasions and they are strong and comfortable (granted she ordered them with the XLT captain's chairs).

The previous bunch were '93-95 E-350 Super Duty vans with the 5.8 liter... they ran till ~250K and then donated; still running strong!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
04-27-11, 09:08 PM
I've heard those diesel sprinter vans get vastly better gas mileage than a v8 Econoline or Chevy Express. Might be something to bring up to your employer. Besides, we all know you pine for another Benz Chad, especially one you don't have to maintain.

Lmao, no. I flat out told my boss "no Sprinters". They're too tall, too unwieldy, terrible in a crosswind, won't fit in my garage, ugly, too expensive and I don't like the idea of buying foreign, atleast in a van.

Rolex
04-27-11, 09:12 PM
The Nissan NV is coming. A Titan-based V8 van. Looks very promising.

I can vouch for the Nissan V8 power plant. One of the best things about my Titan is the 5.6 V8 engine. But you can expect abysmal fuel economy, especially when that engine is put into a boxy van. Even still, if they made it in a 4x4 version I'd give it a look. :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
04-27-11, 09:15 PM
My boss will only by used....think 2002-2006. Let someone else take the hit on depreciation, but those Nissan NV looks like a solid choice in the new market. "NVTHIS" would make for a great license plate. :lol:

hueterm
04-27-11, 09:43 PM
FWIW, the Express looks like it crash tests better than the Econoline, at least on Youtube... I was surprised, actually.....

RippyPartsDept
04-27-11, 10:00 PM
my friend bought a 2006 E250 new for his cabinet/carpentry business and has only had a tie rod (which he hasn't fixed yet... it's minor, only causing a bit of irregular tire wear) and a problem with the driver's door welds

the whole driver's door had to be replaced

i noticed the gap was way off about a year before the door hinges eventually gave out and he got locked in on that side but he never took it into get looked at

when it happened he was just out of warranty and he got ford corporate involved and it was eventually taken care of (he was almost out $1500!)

apparently it was a shoddy weld or something at the factory... it happens i guess

other than that it's been great for him

I~LUV~Caddys8792
04-27-11, 10:09 PM
I see more Econolines on the road, so that's definitely saying something...

Aron9000
04-27-11, 10:18 PM
Chad, go out and drive them both. Pick whichever one you feel the most comfortable in. Personally I like the seating position and ergonomics better in the Ford vans, so that's what I'd go with.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
04-27-11, 10:26 PM
That '99 Econoline I drove yesterday had an awful dashboard with terrible ergonomics, terrible material quality, very poor storage layout and a hideously ugly design. The '97 Express I drove shortly afterwords was better laid out, better built and felt like my Astro did. I guess that the Econolines got a revised dashboard after 2000 sometime and they look a lot better IMO.

Now I talked to my boss today about this, and he wants me in something newer than my '00 Astro. He's gonna go out to a few lots in the area that specialize in cargo vans and take a gander. I'm gonna concentrate on a strong finish saleswise for the month and deal with this more next week.

Jesda
04-27-11, 10:28 PM
I rented a new Econoline and had a favorable impression of it. It was light years ahead of the GMC Rally Van I typically drove, though it lacked some of that creepy charm that old GM vans seem to convey.

Btw, the original "free candy van" belongs to a friend of mine across town. See knowyourmeme.com for details.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
04-27-11, 10:42 PM
I want to travel to Beauville but my boss won't pay the fare (too old)

http://chevrolet-parts.uneedapart.com/images/chevy-beauville-parts.jpg


Ooooh la la...

hueterm
04-27-11, 10:44 PM
We had one of those as a conversion when I was a kid. Raised roof, captains chairs, curtains, venetian blinds, couch in the back that folded into a bed.

HOW I hated it...

I~LUV~Caddys8792
04-27-11, 10:47 PM
I was obsessed with conversion vans when I was a kid. I can vividly remember telling my swim instructor in like 1991 that I wanted a full size van when I got older...how she laughed and laughed...now who's laughing.

hueterm
04-27-11, 10:57 PM
I actually just went to the Explorer site...some of those really do look nice now. They are done so much better than back in the day....although some look like a pimp's closet inside.

Destroyer
04-27-11, 11:05 PM
I drive a black '02 extended black E250 van with tinted windows. It is a cargo van customized by it's previous owner to include full headliner all the way back, carpeted sides and back seat that fold into a bed. It's got power windows, locks, cruise and VERY cold a/c. I've had it over a year now and racked up over 20k miles on it and it is the best vehicle I think I have ever owned. I love it. Comfy, can tow anything, can haul most things and it looks like it belongs to the FBI. I have owned many full size vans including a '99 high top GMC, a '96 Chevy conversion van and a '96 Dodge cargo van. I like this Ford the most by a long shot. Other than replacing the battery just weeks ago it has been dead on reliable. It is the vehicle I use for work but it also is the vehicle we take vacations in. IMO it rides better than my 1500 GM conversion vans. I will take a pic of my E250 soon but have none now. Here's pics of my former '99 GMC and '96 Chevy conversion vans:

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z251/AstrocreepVIII/misc/DSC00375.jpg

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z251/AstrocreepVIII/misc/DSC02612.jpg

I~LUV~Caddys8792
04-27-11, 11:08 PM
When I was a kid, my neighbors got a 94-95 Econoline conversion van... I was so jealous...

hueterm
04-27-11, 11:11 PM
Ours was an '84...so you can imagine how far they'd come in 10 years...


Wow, I would think the 250 would ride rougher than a 1500...can you get AWD on the Fords? Chad, AWD would be a huge benefit for you in the snow...

I~LUV~Caddys8792
04-27-11, 11:17 PM
You can get AWD on the Chevys, but 95% of the AWD models were sent off to the conversion companies, and that would be of no benefit to me.

hueterm
04-27-11, 11:18 PM
You'll probably have yours so weighed down that it won't matter much...

hueterm
04-27-11, 11:19 PM
BTW...I MUCH prefer the low roof to the raised roof. Although, that has nothing to do w/Chad's search...

I~LUV~Caddys8792
04-27-11, 11:26 PM
With the weight in the rear, it should be fine in the snow. I've seen plenty of these things doing OK in the winter anyways.

cadillac kevin
04-27-11, 11:44 PM
my dads van never has a problem with traction. it weighs close to 9000 lbs, so that might have something to do with it.

Aron9000
04-28-11, 12:42 AM
How about a Toyota van Chad???

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_wZkgTL18Qh4/Ss1eO72u5hI/AAAAAAAAAeI/Wz5a6-P5aUk/s400/WOW-creepy-van.jpg

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-11-11, 07:56 PM
My boss bought me an '06 E250 today. Don't know anything about it other than it's got 111k miles and it's got working A/C. It's getting a new bumper (the rear one is a big aftermarket one) and it's gotta get the trailer hitch mounted to the frame still, but I should be able to transfer everything into it this weekend. This is exactly what I wanted though, an 04+ Ford Econoline with the V8 and A/C. I told him it didn't matter if it was a 150/250/350, just as long as it had A/C and was in decent shape. I'll post up some pics of the new bangbus as soon as I see it.

hueterm
05-11-11, 09:56 PM
They're just making up the bumper story...it really has to be repainted to get "FREE CANDY" off of the side and the biohazard team has to get rid of the chloroform smell and the dried genetic material off of the seats... :-)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-11-11, 10:20 PM
It rubs the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again....

Destroyer
05-11-11, 10:38 PM
My boss bought me an '06 E250 today. Don't know anything about it other than it's got 111k miles and it's got working A/C. It's getting a new bumper (the rear one is a big aftermarket one) and it's gotta get the trailer hitch mounted to the frame still, but I should be able to transfer everything into it this weekend. This is exactly what I wanted though, an 04+ Ford Econoline with the V8 and A/C. I told him it didn't matter if it was a 150/250/350, just as long as it had A/C and was in decent shape. I'll post up some pics of the new bangbus as soon as I see it.It's an awesome van. My '02 Extended E250 is the same in every respect. Does yours have the 5.4? I really like the 5.4 even though it's not as powerful as the Chevy motor, not even the old 5.7 Vortec. It is a smooth motor, much moreso than the Chevy. I really got take a pic of mine, maybe tomorrow. :thumbsup:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-12-11, 12:44 AM
I don't know if it's the 4.6 or 5.4. I thought all E250s had the 5.4, but even now the 4.6 is the base motor in everything except the 350. I'm just happy to have something with a V8 again, even if it's only the little 4.6.... It seems like most of the 250's and 350's have the 5.4 though.

Stoneage_Caddy
05-12-11, 09:26 AM
How about a Toyota van Chad???

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_wZkgTL18Qh4/Ss1eO72u5hI/AAAAAAAAAeI/Wz5a6-P5aUk/s400/WOW-creepy-van.jpg

look i think we may have found one good thing to come out of that japan disaster , that van is probably sitting in the background of an episode of gilligans island after being swept out to sea ...


Bob Denver now has something to pick up kids in ....sadly there are still no elementary schools on gilligans island

Jesda
05-12-11, 10:32 AM
lol

Congrats on the new work van!

Stoneage_Caddy
05-12-11, 10:54 AM
lol its an express ...so guess what im doing today ?

brakelights keep going out ...like all the rest of them ....so im converting it to all LED in the back just like i did with the deville

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-14-11, 02:31 AM
Here's a few pics of the new van. 2006, E-250 "regular length", 109k miles, 5.4L V8 & four speed automatic w/ overdrive. The front cabin is fully loaded (odd for a work van)....power windows, power locks, power mirrors, A/C, CD Player & "premium sound", cruise control, perforated vinyl seats, vinyl floors, and I really like the full height metal wall between the seats & cargo area, with shelving for paperwork, invoices & brochures. I couldn't be happier with how this turned out.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/2011-05-13_15-36-02_193.jpg
It's very, very clean. It came from Ohio, so I'll be the first person to ever put MN plates on it. :)

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/2011-05-13_15-37-00_310.jpg
No windows at all. Much less chance of theft of product when I leave it parked outside...probably too tall to fit in garage...

Interior is very nicely set up, and with TONS of storage space!
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/2011-05-13_15-53-32_882.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/2011-05-13_15-42-19_339.jpg

A good deal longer than the Astro, but at 216" overall, it's hardly ginormous.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/2011-05-13_15-44-46_795.jpg

Love these wheels. All business & no drama, yet oddly handsome. Has brand new Michelins on all four corners too!
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/2011-05-13_15-56-07_109.jpg

Yep, I'm a pretty happy employee right now. :)

ryannel2003
05-14-11, 02:46 AM
My brother has a van just like this. He wanted something he could put a mattress... i mean a dirtbike in without it getting rained on. He's had it for a year now and it hasn't given him one bit of mechanical trouble at all. His is an '05 E250 extended length version.

Stingroo
05-14-11, 08:18 AM
216" makes it a hair shorter than a B-wagon. My god. That kinda puts things in perspective about how massive these things are.

How much does the "extended length" add to the van? Looks pretty good.

Cupholders, yo!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-14-11, 09:19 AM
The Extended length version adds exactly 20" to the overall length. And there's no change in it's massive 138" wheelbase, so all the additional length is behind the rear axle.

Stingroo
05-14-11, 11:01 AM
That must make backing up SUCK BAD. lol

hueterm
05-14-11, 12:37 PM
MUCH MUCH better than the Astro! The lack of windows will make Mr. Jame Gumb very happy....

However, I'd put some foam on that sheet metal razor shelf thing behind your seat, so it doesn't slice your carotid artery if you have a bad wreck...

drewsdeville
05-14-11, 12:40 PM
I think it's butt-ugly compared to the Astro (omitting the rust). The Astro was actually kind of stylish, for a van. The Ford is a big white whale :/ It's something I'd expect a dirty, scruffy, laborer with a hardhat to climb out of, not a sales rep.

Nice van, no doubt it looks clean. It's appearance just doesn't fit the role, imo.

hueterm
05-14-11, 12:45 PM
AND...here comes Debbie Downer again...

It's a work/delivery truck that is intended to stock and deliver inventory, and tow trailers with machinery -- who says it's supposed to be beautiful?

The Astro (as the multiple rear seatbelts reveal) is a converted passenger van, which is much less professional than what he has now...

drewsdeville
05-14-11, 01:02 PM
Just like clockwork... XD

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/4/25/bab53405-bf7f-4ae7-8249-fcae694c316d.jpg

Rolex
05-14-11, 01:57 PM
If I had my his school years to do over I'd have bought a van like that instead of a small pickup truck. :eyebrow:

orconn
05-14-11, 04:03 PM
If I had my his school years to do over I'd have bought a van like that instead of a small pickup truck. :eyebrow:

Yeah a van like that sure would have beat the 1956 Mercedes 300D sedan I was stuck with!

Destroyer
05-14-11, 08:35 PM
Alright, I just grabbed the camera and shot a few pics of my extended E250 in the driveway. Bought about a year ago and put 18k miles on it. Had exactly 80k when it came to me and now has 98k. VERY reliable. All I did was the front brakes, battery and last week I did tires (notice the truck tires). The inside is much more like a car than a cargo van. It has fold down rear seat, full headliner and it's padded on the sides all the way back. All power options, cruise and so forth. It's one of the best vehicles I've ever owned. I never took pictures of it before so these are overdue, lol. These pics suck but you get the idea.


http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z251/AstrocreepVIII/DSC07215.jpg

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z251/AstrocreepVIII/DSC07217.jpg

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z251/AstrocreepVIII/DSC07216.jpg

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z251/AstrocreepVIII/DSC07218.jpg

Aron9000
05-14-11, 08:39 PM
^That looks like the CIA van. Bunch of dudes in suits, ties, sunglasses, with earpieces bust out of that thing and abduct you. You are never seen or heard from again.

Destroyer
05-14-11, 08:56 PM
^That looks like the CIA van. Bunch of dudes in suits, ties, sunglasses, with earpieces bust out of that thing and abduct you. You are never seen or heard from again.
Too funny. I get comments like "thats a scary looking van" all the time. I also hear the "CIA" or "FBI" thing all the time too. This van is my work van but doubles as my vacation car as well. Anyway 6 months or so ago we went for a cruise and drove the van there. When we arrived at the port I backed the van to unload the luggage. Two African American employees were glaring at the van and kinda backed up when I was backing in (I could see them from my back-up camera). Anyway, they were relieved to see me. One of them comes up to me and says "Man, we thought you wuz the PoPo, we wuz gunna run" and then laughed. :bouncy:

orconn
05-14-11, 09:11 PM
I don't see any surveillance ports or equipment on that thing, can't be one of "Big Brother's" mobile units. I imagine that van is just the thing for going on vacation, just put the kiddies in the back with a video station, hell, they never, apprently, look out of the windows anyway!

Stingroo
05-14-11, 09:42 PM
Windows are over-rated.

thebigjimsho
05-14-11, 10:56 PM
No windows? Chad's creep factor is off teh chain!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-14-11, 11:34 PM
All I need now is a fake cast for my arm, a pair of night vision goggles and a couch in the back.... :lol:

I will miss the Astro's maneuverability, and it's amazing traction in snow. Obviously, the E-250 will be more of a "chore" in tight city situations, but I'll get used to it. It's kinda like going from a Seville to a Fleetwood Brougham. When I go to BG conventions, I always ask the other distributors across the country what they use for vehicles, and 90% of them say Econoline/Express/Sprinter. We're one of the few distributorships that use Astros, but we like them because we deal with a lot of snow up here, and they're peerless with their AWD setup. But, Astros are getting old now, and because so many of my accounts are outstate and long distance, I only go to the warehouse 1-2 times a week, whereas my coworkers will go 4-5 times a week, because all of their accounts are much more localized than mine. So I need to keep much more inventory in mine compared to theirs.

BTW, I find the Econoline better looking than the Astro, and better looking than the 1997+ GM Vans, Dodge Ram vans and those awful Sprinters.

Destroyer
05-14-11, 11:45 PM
Love these wheels. All business & no drama, yet oddly handsome. Has brand new Michelins on all four corners too!
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/2011-05-13_15-56-07_109.jpg

Yep, I'm a pretty happy employee right now. :)These were on my van when I bought it. I didn't find them very handsome, not even in an odd way. :eek: Changed them to the current hub caps for like $45 at Advance Auto parts.:thumbsup:

ga_etc
05-14-11, 11:46 PM
Congrats on the new van again. I'm sure you'll be very pleased with it. I think we will too. Looks like the forum got a new "free candy" van.

ga_etc
05-14-11, 11:49 PM
Are you afraid the kids will escape, Destroyer?

Stingroo
05-15-11, 02:48 AM
Chad needs some awesome chrome smoothies like what I've got for that monster. :)

Destroyer
05-15-11, 08:11 AM
Are you afraid the kids will escape, Destroyer?
Not anymore. :suspense:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-15-11, 09:23 AM
The problem with the wheelcovers that Destroyer has on his E-250 is that while they were OEM equipment on the Econolines, you can now buy the exact same design at any auto parts store, making the exclusivity null. The "dogdishes" this one has have the Ford emblem built into the middle of them, so you know they're OEM, not something off an auto store shelf.

Aron9000
05-15-11, 03:35 PM
I would've just gone with black steelies on that big black van.

Destroyer
05-15-11, 08:20 PM
The problem with the wheelcovers that Destroyer has on his E-250 is that while they were OEM equipment on the Econolines, you can now buy the exact same design at any auto parts store, making the exclusivity null. The "dogdishes" this one has have the Ford emblem built into the middle of them, so you know they're OEM, not something off an auto store shelf.Yeah, mine had the dog dishes and I replaced them with these from the parts store. Neither are there for "exclusivity" though. I mean, these are work vans man. :cool2:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-15-11, 10:08 PM
Yes, but you use yours for hauling the wife & kids around on vacation as well. Mine will be used only for hauling product (and beer runs too). :)

Destroyer
05-15-11, 11:09 PM
Yes, but you use yours for hauling the wife & kids around on vacation as well. Mine will be used only for hauling product (and beer runs too). :)This last vacation (more of a getaway) to Fort Myers/Sannibel Island was going to be taking the Jaguar but the day before the trip I decided the van was a better vehicle for the trip. I was right. We ran into flash floods, many sandy/dirt roads and a shit load of love bugs. I don't know how the Jag would have done but I knew the van would be up to it. Dog dish hub caps or regular ones, this is one tough and trusty vehicle. :cool2:

orconn
05-16-11, 12:32 AM
This last vacation (more of a getaway) to Fort Myers/Sannibel Island was going to be taking the Jaguar but the day before the trip I decided the van was a better vehicle for the trip. I was right. We ran into flash floods, many sandy/dirt roads and a shit load of love bugs. I don't know how the Jag would have done but I knew the van would be up to it. Dog dish hub caps or regular ones, this is one tough and trusty vehicle. :cool2:

The Jag would have been fine (Iknow from personal experience), but cleaning it up afterwards would have been a pain.

ben.gators
05-16-11, 02:05 AM
It is always nice to have a high duty and extra car reserved for shity jobs! An small scratch on the Jag could ruin all the fun of the trip....

Destroyer
05-16-11, 11:15 AM
It is always nice to have a high duty and extra car reserved for shity jobs! An small scratch on the Jag could ruin all the fun of the trip....Well yeah. I know my wife would have constantly made me go through car washes or stop and vacuum it or whatever. With the van I just let it get real nasty before any clean up. Scratches or whatever? No biggie. :thumbsup:

HAZZARDJOHN
05-16-11, 08:47 PM
No A-team van, no care!
http://www.comingsoon.net/nextraimages/oldateamvan.jpg

Sorry I just don't like vans. They serve a purpose, but they are like tractors to me, handy sometimes, but useless for most people and you hate to get stuck behind them on a country road.

I will admit, I think the A-team van is BA

~HJ

greencadillacmatt
05-16-11, 09:22 PM
^B.A. Baracus that is!

HAZZARDJOHN
05-16-11, 09:43 PM
I was wondering if anyone would catch that!

greencadillacmatt
05-16-11, 10:02 PM
There's a guy with my last name in it, so I at least had to see the movie!

Destroyer
05-16-11, 10:41 PM
There's a guy with my last name in it, so I at least had to see the movie!
Let me guess, you are Mr. Smith?:suspense:

Stingroo
05-16-11, 10:56 PM
http://mos.totalfilm.com/images/c/could-sharlto-copley-be-the-a-teams-murdock--00.jpg

greencadillacmatt
05-16-11, 11:44 PM
Howlin' Mad Murdock!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-17-11, 01:19 AM
Got it today. Quick impressions:

It feels much more trucklike & heavy duty compared to the Astro. It doesn't ride nearly as smoothly, you feel most any bump in the road, but it's never jarring. I was expecting a smoother ride, but I can't complain, it rides like any other 3/4 ton truck I've ever driven. I guess I was just expecting a smoother ride because it's so heavy.

It definitely accelerates smoother and easier than the old, tired, 265k mile 4.3 in the Astro. The 5.4L SOHC V-8 is the much more reliable 2v design versus the newer, more powerful, more troublesome 3v design (which was never offered in the Econolines). At 250hp and 350 lb/ft of torque, it'll more than handle any sort of a load I can throw in it.

It must be a Ford thing, because every other F-150 I've ever driven does the same thing: the steering wheel doesn't correct it's self after completing a turn. It needs much more assistance to straighten out after a turn or a curve than a GM does. Anyone know why they do this? Is this normal?

All in all, I'm very satisfied with it so far. It's much larger inside than the Astro is, so what "filled" up the Astro leaves a lot of space in the E-250. It's gonna take some time to learn how to parallel park it well, but I'm sure within a week it'll be like childs play.

Bye bye Astro...
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/2011-05-16_17-09-58_274.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/2011-05-16_15-36-54_768.jpg

SO much space...
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/2011-05-16_15-55-32_334.jpg

Nice cabin layout...
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/2011-05-16_15-51-39_517.jpg

David v. Goliath.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/2011-05-16_18-19-00_617.jpg

Ready to prowl..
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/2011-05-16_21-52-07_158.jpg

Stingroo
05-17-11, 01:25 AM
lol @ the fact that there's an Astro on the other side of that Miata.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-17-11, 01:29 AM
That's actually a really clean Safari. The dealer I work nights at took it in on trade and is now selling it.

I should note that the guy that lives across the street from me has a windowless E-250 as well, but his is the extended length version (twenty more inches). Puts me in my place. :(

On the way home tonight, I topped off the tank. It was between 3/4 and 1/2....cost me $47 to top it off. At a 35 gallon tank....$3.90 a gallon... $137 from E to F....

drewsdeville
05-17-11, 01:34 AM
It must be a Ford thing, because every other F-150 I've ever driven does the same thing: the steering wheel doesn't correct it's self after completing a turn. It needs much more assistance to straighten out after a turn or a curve than a GM does. Anyone know why they do this? Is this normal?


Normal...for a full sized Ford. None of them are as willing to return to center as others. With the way Ford designs their steering geometry, caster is relatively neutral where your Astro's is probably pretty positive in comparison. Some of the panther owners here could probably chime in and agree with you that they aren't as willing to return to center. It's just the way Ford likes to do it. :hmm:

That said, it could also be an indication of an underlying problem. I do more front end work on Ford products than any other brand by a large margin. Ball joints, tie rod ends, centerlinks, idler arms, steering boxes, you name it - they just come up far more frequently than anything else. If anything is binding up there, it can have the effect you feel.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-17-11, 01:35 AM
Thanks Drew. I always thought Jeeps & Dodge pickups were the same way too... slow to return to center...

greencadillacmatt
05-17-11, 01:47 AM
What's going to happen to you're old Astro? Are you going to feed it to the Econoline?

Jesda
05-17-11, 04:18 AM
I've only noticed the centering issue on the Cherokee and Frontier. I'm sure its there on other trucks, but its never otherwise made me take notice.

How's the Ford factory radio?

Stingroo
05-17-11, 08:51 AM
Matt's post made me literally laugh out loud.

Destroyer
05-17-11, 09:10 PM
That's actually a really clean Safari. The dealer I work nights at took it in on trade and is now selling it.

I should note that the guy that lives across the street from me has a windowless E-250 as well, but his is the extended length version (twenty more inches). Puts me in my place. :(

On the way home tonight, I topped off the tank. It was between 3/4 and 1/2....cost me $47 to top it off. At a 35 gallon tank....$3.90 a gallon... $137 from E to F....
Right now it runs around $120 to fill mine up from maybe an 1/8th tank. I usually get between 380-440 miles on a tankful. Not the best on gas but it is acceptable for a big V8 in one of the biggest pedestrian vehicles availaible. :yup:

Destroyer
05-17-11, 09:16 PM
I don't see any surveillance ports or equipment on that thing, can't be one of "Big Brother's" mobile units. I imagine that van is just the thing for going on vacation, just put the kiddies in the back with a video station, hell, they never, apprently, look out of the windows anyway!When I do take the wife and kids on a trip with it, the rear windows are missed. "Hey kids, checkout that (whatever it may be)" They can't see shit! I've owned several conversion vans in the past with many windows so this maybe a bit more confined for them. Laptop computers, video games and a movies are all they want anyway. :thumbsup:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-17-11, 09:53 PM
Right now it runs around $120 to fill mine up from maybe an 1/8th tank. I usually get between 380-440 miles on a tankful. Not the best on gas but it is acceptable for a big V8 in one of the biggest pedestrian vehicles availaible. :yup:

What do you get for mileage? I filled it up last night, drove 200 miles today and burned through about a half tank. 200/18= 11.1 mpg. I'm gonna run it for a few weeks and do our fuel induction services and see what a difference it makes in fuel economy.

drewsdeville
05-17-11, 10:27 PM
Right now it runs around $120 to fill mine up from maybe an 1/8th tank. I usually get between 380-440 miles on a tankful. Not the best on gas but it is acceptable for a big V8 in one of the biggest pedestrian vehicles availaible. :yup:

:yup:

The modular 4.6/5.4 do have their quirks (like anything else) and aren't the strongest, but they do get pretty damn good mileage and are surprisingly smooth to boot.

Destroyer
05-18-11, 10:48 PM
What do you get for mileage? I filled it up last night, drove 200 miles today and burned through about a half tank. 200/18= 11.1 mpg. I'm gonna run it for a few weeks and do our fuel induction services and see what a difference it makes in fuel economy.I'd honestly be surprised if the fuel induction service makes a notable difference but I'm curious to see. I average about 13-14 mpg by my estimate and that is combined city/hwy. I drive the van very easy but constantly use the A/C which makes a difference in mpg. :yup:

Aron9000
05-18-11, 11:23 PM
:yup:

The modular 4.6/5.4 do have their quirks (like anything else) and aren't the strongest, but they do get pretty damn good mileage and are surprisingly smooth to boot.

I've always heard the opposite, that Ford trucks/vans/suvs were all gas hogs. Like worse than a 5.3 GM v8. I know those do pretty good in 2wd trucks, friend usually gets 15-19mpg in his full size 2001 Chevy.

drewsdeville
05-18-11, 11:40 PM
I'd honestly be surprised if the fuel induction service makes a notable difference but I'm curious to see.
:yup:

Can't fix what's not broken.

cadillac kevin
05-19-11, 12:53 AM
11 mpg is in line with what I've heard those vans get (even when new). its a ford gas V8 hauling a heavy ass van. its never going to get good mileage.

thebigjimsho
05-19-11, 02:15 PM
My 4.6 Town Car L gets 25mpg highway all day long...

Destroyer
05-19-11, 10:52 PM
My 4.6 Town Car L gets 25mpg highway all day long...

Yes but the van is also right around 8k lbs and I tow heavy trailers loaded with stuff all the time. Not the same thing...............:cool2:

Jesda
05-19-11, 11:09 PM
I dunno, Jim can eat a pretty big lunch

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-20-11, 01:11 AM
:yup:

Can't fix what's not broken.

Nothings "broken" Drew, but rather there's 112k miles of carbon deposits and varnish in the combustion chamber, fuel injectors, on the top of the intake valves and in the intake plenum and throttle body. That stuff doesn't allow for the full amount of gasoline to get burned, and your car isn't getting as good of mileage as it did when it was new.

I did the BG fuel induction service on my Astro in the summer of '09 and went from 15.2 AVG mpg up to 16.4....not a "huge" difference, but when I drive 50,000 miles a year, an additional 1.5 mpg shows. I did the fuel service again this spring and went from 16.2 to 17.4....it was rated at 18mpg highway when new.


I'd honestly be surprised if the fuel induction service makes a notable difference but I'm curious to see. I average about 13-14 mpg by my estimate and that is combined city/hwy. I drive the van very easy but constantly use the A/C which makes a difference in mpg. :yup:

The first tank full was 14.8 MPG, and I filled up again today to get 14.9 mpg. A lot better than I was expecting. I was thinking like 11-12 overall, but considering roughly 65% of what I drive is highway, and the other 35% is city, it makes sense. I get about 350-375 miles to 1/8th tank, when I fill up. The first fill up was $101 and today's fill up was like $93.

When I do the fuel service on it, I'm expecting mid 15's out of it.

drewsdeville
05-20-11, 01:24 AM
Nothings "broken" Drew, but rather there's 112k miles of carbon deposits and varnish in the combustion chamber, fuel injectors, on the top of the intake valves and in the intake plenum and throttle body. That stuff doesn't allow for the full amount of gasoline to get burned, and your car isn't getting as good of mileage as it did when it was new.


Is that what the brochure and the back of the bottle says? :stirpot:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-20-11, 01:38 AM
No, it's what my results have shown! Nothing quiets an annoying tech (such as yourself) up like seeing a car come out of a misfire caused by a sticking injector during the fuel injection service. Or the carbon around a dirty throttle body being cleaned away during the air intake service. My favorite thing is when my clients tell me about the testimonials they've gotten from their customers after doing the service, and how they say it feels like it's new again, and the throttle response is greatly improved, and their mileage is like what it was when it was new.

Believe me or not, I don't really give a shit. But let me ask you this. If it didn't work and nobody had good results from it, would we have been in the business of making fuel injection/carburetor cleaning systems for the last 40 years?

Jesda
05-20-11, 01:48 AM
I generally trust BG. STP is another story.

drewsdeville
05-20-11, 02:08 AM
Oh no, customer testimonials? Now I'm sold, SIGN ME UP! The ones that are made to sound like recorded phone calls that they play on late-night infomercials suck me right in every time. If those aren't hard evidence that my engine performance suffers without this, I don't know what is...

In discussing this, I just realized my 190k 4.5 is on borrowed time - I haven't dumped any cleaning chemical in it since I got it. I suspect the 26.5 mpgs I got on my last 300 mile trip is quite low with well over "112k miles of carbon deposits and varnish in the combustion chamber, fuel injectors, on the top of the intake valves and in the intake plenum and throttle body" :eek:

Being an ex-truck driver, I can't begin to tell you the countless times the shop dumped cleaning solutions into my 1,100,000 mile Sterling with a nasty, sooty CAT diesel just to keep me pulling doubles up them big hills.

Engines are self cleaning when operating at peak efficiency and highest operating temp. Want to clean out an engine effectively? Run it at peak efficiency - beat the snot out of it for a few miles (no, no "self clean button", sorry brah). Not only is it cheaper and faster than cleaning solutions, it's more fun. (EDIT: Someone refresh me on what the boards preferred method is for curing N* cold carbon rap?).

Ever notice that the cars that have had the hardest life always seem to have the best running engines? It's not coincidental.

Stingroo
05-20-11, 02:50 AM
:yawn:

drewsdeville
05-20-11, 02:59 AM
Hatch vs. wagon discussion is in another thread :p

Stingroo
05-20-11, 03:09 AM
Seen that. :lol: Commented, I'm all good in that area. No more care.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
05-20-11, 09:39 AM
Oh no, customer testimonials? Now I'm sold, SIGN ME UP! The ones that are made to sound like recorded phone calls that they play on late-night infomercials suck me right in every time. If those aren't hard evidence that my engine performance suffers without this, I don't know what is...

In discussing this, I just realized my 190k 4.5 is on borrowed time - I haven't dumped any cleaning chemical in it since I got it. I suspect the 26.5 mpgs I got on my last 300 mile trip is quite low with well over "112k miles of carbon deposits and varnish in the combustion chamber, fuel injectors, on the top of the intake valves and in the intake plenum and throttle body" :eek:

Being an ex-truck driver, I can't begin to tell you the countless times the shop dumped cleaning solutions into my 1,100,000 mile Sterling with a nasty, sooty CAT diesel just to keep me pulling doubles up them big hills.

Engines are self cleaning when operating at peak efficiency and highest operating temp. Want to clean out an engine effectively? Run it at peak efficiency - beat the snot out of it for a few miles (no, no "self clean button", sorry brah). Not only is it cheaper and faster than cleaning solutions, it's more fun. (EDIT: Someone refresh me on what the boards preferred method is for curing N* cold carbon rap?).

Ever notice that the cars that have had the hardest life always seem to have the best running engines? It's not coincidental.

Boo hoo buddy. Don't care. Your WOT throttle "engine cleaning" solution is not only NOT recommended by any of the OEMs in their TSBs, but when an OEM has an issue with sticking injectors or what have you, they recommend a fuel treatment. For example, GM recommends their own chemical, Jaguar and Land Rover recommend ours. Check that out on alldata or mitchells or what have you.

drewsdeville
05-20-11, 10:59 AM
Boo hoo buddy. Don't care. Your WOT throttle "engine cleaning" solution is not only NOT recommended by any of the OEMs in their TSBs, but when an OEM has an issue with sticking injectors or what have you, they recommend a fuel treatment. For example, GM recommends their own chemical, Jaguar and Land Rover recommend ours. Check that out on alldata or mitchells or what have you.

"or what have you"...just as generic as the rest of it. XD

Sevillian273
05-20-11, 02:49 PM
A gain of 1.2mpg eh? Sign me up for 100 cans. I'm doing 16.0 city right now so that should get me up to 136mpg!

gdwriter
05-20-11, 03:36 PM
What Chad describes as customer testimonials from his dealer and mechanic clients are a helluva lot different than those phony infomercial examples you gave. In the real-world, customers usually just complain when something is wrong. If something works, they're happy and take the time to say so, it's most likely legit.

I would periodically open up the throttle body on the DeVille or the carburetor on the Impala and spray some cleaner to remove the admittedly minor build-up of gunk. I've made a habit of running a bottle of Chevron Techron fuel system/fuel injector cleaner after an oil change. Does it make a huge difference? Probably not. But I see it as preventive maintenance that doesn't hurt (or cost much). I take care of my cars, and the reward is they run beautifully. And reliably. Maybe it's just a coincidence. Or maybe not.

The WOT recommendation for the Northstar (aka the Italian Tune-Up) is something I also do, mostly for fun. Keep in mind that many Northstar Cadillacs were originally owned by little old ladies who probably never went north of 3,000 RPM. Plus, they may have driven only occasionally and made mostly short trips to church, bridge or the grocery store, so the engines rarely reached their optimum operating temperatures. Most mechanics will tell you mostly short trips are not good for an engine.

Chad would have to verify this, but I believe BG chemicals would be considered professional strength and priced higher than what you can buy at NAPA. If they didn't work, why would his clients waste their money on them?

You just like to stir shit up and dismiss — usually with a sneer — any opinions/experience/knowledge that doesn't agree with your own. We already know you don't know everything. Do you?

drewsdeville
05-20-11, 05:13 PM
http://s2.noelshack.com/old/up/cool_story_bro1-9cdd19c435.jpg

gdwriter
05-20-11, 05:27 PM
^^^ Exactly the kind of inane response that makes you so well-liked and respected around here. But it does burnish your reputation as the forum's resident asshat. Well done.

drewsdeville
05-20-11, 05:31 PM
Derp

gdwriter
05-20-11, 05:37 PM
If you're like this in real life, I doubt anybody likes you there, either.

drewsdeville
05-20-11, 05:41 PM
http://loonlake.bloggingspots.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/j0255359.jpg

You're even better than Hueterm. You'll learn, I think...

Stingroo
05-20-11, 05:46 PM
http://files.sharenator.com/see_you_trolling_RE_My_New_Avatar-s750x600-106386.jpg

drewsdeville
05-20-11, 05:48 PM
http://www.rctech.net/forum/attachments/trader-feedback/731667d1301629315-reminder-beware-bad-sellers-trollin.jpg

Sevillian273
05-20-11, 06:00 PM
I didnt see anyone get called out until post #109. Looked like only heated opinions before that. Oh well. Now it's time for:

IMAGE MACRO BATTLE!

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m280/merc892003/dangerous-go-alone-take-shark-1272904352b.jpg

drewsdeville
05-20-11, 06:04 PM
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/5789941/images/1252543021748.jpg

gdwriter
05-20-11, 06:05 PM
http://www.rctech.net/forum/attachments/trader-feedback/731667d1301629315-reminder-beware-bad-sellers-trollin.jpgDid TP write that? :lol:

thebigjimsho
05-20-11, 06:55 PM
Well, this got interesting. And douchey.

hueterm
05-20-11, 08:06 PM
You're even better than Hueterm. You'll learn, I think...

Troll, please... The only one amused by your nightmare...is you.

Destroyer
05-20-11, 09:15 PM
Now this is getting fun. Pass the popcorn! :yup::lildevil:

gdwriter
05-20-11, 10:11 PM
As you wish: :pop2:

Stingroo
05-20-11, 10:20 PM
:food-snacking:

Jesda
05-20-11, 10:47 PM
http://www.hopkinsortho.org/orthopedicsurgery/photos/Ain's_pro.jpg

hueterm
05-20-11, 10:51 PM
:histeric:

greencadillacmatt
05-23-11, 09:45 PM
I will say (I know, speaking on topic. :hide: ) that at least Volvo says to take their cars up to highway speeds in second gear to blow all of the gunk off the valves. I think it's part of the tune-up procedure. One of my college instructors showed us the actual service instructions for this, so I know it wasn't made up. And this wasn't for their old cars, this was for late-models.