: Caddy Station Wagon Pics-need help



GMAN12
04-13-11, 10:20 AM
I have 3 pics of the only Caddy Wagon we ever built, But I don't know how to make them smaller, so i can post them. If I could email them to you, maybe one of you tech. savoy could resize & post them for me. Thanks

jayoldschool
04-13-11, 10:29 AM
Upload to Photobucket. It will resize for you.

What year/model was the wagon?

There's a 75 Fleetwood wagon for sale right now...

Stingroo
04-13-11, 10:34 AM
http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/cto/2312581631.html

And there's a 74.

sven914
04-13-11, 11:13 AM
I have 3 pics of the only Caddy Wagon we ever built, But I don't know how to make them smaller, so i can post them. If I could email them to you, maybe one of you tech. savoy could resize & post them for me. Thanks

Whataya mean "only"?!?

There has been a Cadillac wagon built almost every year since 1956. They're not factory productions.

jayoldschool
04-13-11, 11:28 AM
He said "WE". I take that to mean he worked for someone doing conversions. Might explain all the parts he has kicking around ;)

GMAN12
04-13-11, 12:24 PM
I worked for Cadillac, Clark St. Detroit from "72" to "87"

outsider
04-13-11, 12:45 PM
Nice! What did you do?

GMAN12
04-13-11, 12:56 PM
New Guy Here
Just thought I'd introduce myself. I worked for a Caddy dealership in 1965 for a couple of months, right out of high school. In 1972 I hired in at GM, Cadillac plant, Clark st. Detroit. We were building Coupes, Sedans, Fleetwoods, Talismans, Eldorados, and commercial chassis to be sent out to be built into ambulances, we also built a formal limo, with a manual sliding glass window seen alot of big name people come through the plant, Jesse Jackson, Coleman Young, Mary Kay, to name a few. Got into Fisher Body repair about 1974, 75, that was fixing anything, Fisher body or Fleetwood, all electrical and sheet metal. In 77 we had a cutback and I got bumped to Seville plant, 2 blocks away, still doing repair. We built the Seville and the Elegante, at the time, the Elegante, just before it would ship, it would go to 1 repairman and one paint specialist for 1 shift to check for rattles and a complete inspection, then the paint spec. would hand buff the 2 tone paint, till there was no flaws, and then pinstripe.
In 1987, the Cadillac plant was closing, I had 4 plants to choose from and I picked Livonia Powertrain because that's where the Caddy engines were built, and I wanted to stay with the Caddy name, when we were going into the Northstar Prod. I was on the start-up crew. I stayed on till 2002 and then retired.
We built 1 Caddy limo from a Caddy from the Lk. Orion plant, and we built 1, all White Caddy station wagon, which I have some of the only pictures of, i will try to figure out how to get these posted.


I think the Wagon was a "87" there was talk of going into production to help keep the plant open. The plant closed in the fall of "87"

jayoldschool
04-13-11, 04:01 PM
I am dying to see the pics of the wagon. Had NO idea a factory wagon was produced! Please, tell us all you can.

Some questions:
- sedan or limo rear doors?
- B body roof/side windows/rear door?
- 307 engine?

GMAN12
04-13-11, 04:52 PM
I believe the body was an Olds Wagon with a Cadillac front and rear, and a White Birritz interior with Cadillac wire wheels. This is the only station wagon I had seen in 14 yrs.
We also built a lot of armor plate cars, they looked like 4 wheel drive Fleetwoods because of all of the super heavy duty suspension and the 8 or 10 ply tires, these cars were sent to, I believe, Penn. to have the armor plate installed. Seems to me I have a broadcast sheet that used to be on the winshield that says "United States Secret Service. If I can find it I will try to post a pic.

GMAN12
04-13-11, 05:09 PM
Here is the pic of the broadcast sheet for the Secret Service, Can't believe I found it.

Stingroo
04-13-11, 05:27 PM
Hmmm.... what all is different about an L61 engine? This is interesting stuff.

GMAN12
04-13-11, 05:37 PM
That engine was probably the 472 or 425, it had to be big to pull an armored car. This was a 1984. They looked really funny sitting up so high, you could see one on the line from across the plant.

jayoldschool
04-13-11, 06:20 PM
L61 engine was the 368. Standard commercial chassis engine.

GMAN, run that VIN here: http://www.compnine.com/vid.php

It would be interesting to see if it is in the database.

Keep the info coming! Very cool to have you here.

GMAN12
04-13-11, 06:32 PM
It says it's not in the database. Commercial chassis, I remember them, they were a frame and drive train with front end sheet metal, 2x6 bolted to the frame and a spare tire bolted to the 2x6 for a seat. Used to ship them out for ambulances & hearses. They were a bi##h to drive like that.

1G6AF2397E9114091.

Stingroo
04-13-11, 06:43 PM
:postpics:

jayoldschool
04-13-11, 07:36 PM
http://www.vccc.com/articles/features/2001/Cadillac_Amb_Chassis.jpg


And, since it was an 87 that GMAN worked on, this should inspire him...

http://www.lidreamboats.org/images/1987_cadillac_station_wagon.jpg

GMAN12
04-13-11, 09:51 PM
Ah yes, that comm. chassis looks familiar but wagon was not built in our plant, that was aftermarket.

sven914
04-13-11, 09:55 PM
I really want to see this too. I didn't know Cadillac made a wagon (I thought all of the ones out there were couch built specials).

GMAN12
04-13-11, 11:16 PM
There must be someone on here that has a program to shrink these photos.

cadillac kevin
04-13-11, 11:20 PM
can you post a link to them?

GMAN12
04-14-11, 12:00 AM
I can email them to you.

Stingroo
04-14-11, 12:22 AM
Email them to me and I'll take care of it

Email removed. Photos received

GMAN12
04-14-11, 09:33 AM
Pics on the way, Thanks Stingroo

Stingroo
04-14-11, 09:37 AM
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d193/roo09511/CaddyWagon.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d193/roo09511/CaddyWagon2.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d193/roo09511/CaddyWagon1.jpg

Stingroo
04-14-11, 09:39 AM
That's pretty awesome.

What more can you tell us about it? Did a celebrity special order it or something?

outsider
04-14-11, 09:54 AM
looks like ghost busters stuff right there ;)

robb257731
04-14-11, 09:58 AM
That brown 74 was awesome.....as are the blue and white ones! I'd have thought Cadillac could have sold alot of wagons had they put them out...if Mercedes can sell a wagon, why not Cadillac? I suppose there's the whole 'it looks like a hearse' issue, but they really don't....not really.

Speaking of hearses....I saw Terminator 3 for the first time last night. That Cadillac Hearse scene was crazy.

GMAN12
04-14-11, 10:07 AM
This never went in production, this is the only one that I ever saw, we needed a new platform to keep the plant from closing, this didn't work. I think if I remember right, this is the car that had the vin of the head of Cadillac, the only name that comes to mind is D.W. Grettinberger.

Thanks again Stingroo. Now tell me how you did that.
I have some pics of an Allante, Indy 500 Pace car from in the plant. These are one of the real pace car, not the replicas that all the drivers get for the weekend.

outsider
04-14-11, 10:15 AM
he uploaded it to photobucket.com :)

Stingroo
04-14-11, 10:22 AM
Those photos would be cool to see as well!

Just create an account at www.photobucket.com and upload your images. If you want to post them here, copy the [IMG] code. :)

GMAN12
04-14-11, 12:13 PM
I'm working on it.

jayoldschool
04-14-11, 01:47 PM
That car is AWESOME. So much better than the coach built wagons. See the difference in the rear door roof line? The wagons built by the coachbuilders used regular sedan rear doors, and the top rear of the door frame curves down. Makes a bad styling line with the square side window. This car uses proper tall square frame doors so the top of the frame matches the corner of that side window.

Did it have second row seats? I don't see them in the close ups. I don't think they are folded flat, either, based on the amount of the right front bucket that is visible from the back.

So... GMAN, what do we need to build one? I would love to have a proper Cadillac wagon.

GMAN12
04-14-11, 02:07 PM
I don't know, but I have an awful lot of parts that have never been on a car. A friend of mine took a buyout about 15 yrs. ago and him and his wife moved to Texas, before the move he asked me if I wanted some Cadillac parts, I said, sure, now I have had boxes & boxes of parts that been sitting in the basement for that same 15 yrs. Then I found this site and all of these guys that need parts, so, I'm hoping I can help them out.
That wagon was only on display for 2 shifts, never to be seen again. I sure it is in a GM museum somewhere along with a1976 Eldorado, Bi Cenntiniel, and The last Eldorado convertible, the last convert. built in US at that time.

intragration
04-14-11, 02:56 PM
Your friend, the guy with all the Cadillac parts...his name wouldn't hapen to be Johnny Cash, would it? ;)

GMAN12
04-15-11, 12:20 PM
Pace Car pics. I hope these work.

http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg423/GMAN13/
http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg423/GMAN13/?action=view&current=pacecar2003.jpg
http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg423/GMAN13/?action=view&current=pacecar2003.jpg#!oZZ3QQcurrentZZhttp%3A%2F %2Fs542.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg423%2FGMAN13% 2F%3Faction%3Dview%26current%3Dpacecar2002.jpg
http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/gg423/GMAN13/?action=view&current=pacecar2003.jpg#!oZZ4QQcurrentZZhttp%3A%2F %2Fs542.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg423%2FGMAN13% 2F%3Faction%3Dview%26current%3Dpacecar2001.jpg

Stingroo
04-15-11, 02:56 PM
http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/gg423/GMAN13/pacecar2.jpg

http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/gg423/GMAN13/pacecar2003.jpg

http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/gg423/GMAN13/pacecar2002.jpg

http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/gg423/GMAN13/pacecar2001.jpg

GMAN12
04-15-11, 03:49 PM
Thanks Stingroo, I'll get that photobucket figured. I have one more of that pace car of the interior with the 5-point seat belts and the toggle sw. for the strobes as soon as my daughter sends it.

sven914
04-15-11, 04:39 PM
That's my job... And why am I looking at an Allante?

jayoldschool
04-15-11, 05:45 PM
GMAN, what did they do to the engine in the Allante? Was it the 4.9?

brougham
04-15-11, 07:13 PM
I like the ones like the blue one jayoldschool posted better. The factory one looks like a typical GM station wagon with Cadillac parts added to it.

GMAN12
04-15-11, 07:18 PM
That was a 92 Allante and I believe it had the 300hp Northstar. We were told that that was the first car ever to pace the 500 that didn't need any modifications, engine, trans, & gears were stock. The pace car has to run 140mph coming out of turn 4. I know that when we built the 4.9 for the Allante, they were hand assembled in a small area off to the side of the assembly line.

jayoldschool
04-15-11, 09:51 PM
I'm pretty sure I have seen that Allante. PPG used to use a fleet of pace cars for all the indy car races, and all the cars would do laps before the race with VIPs/media, then the actual pace car for that race would be the only car out front. I used to go to the Toronto Indy every year from the mid 80s to the mid 90s.

GMAN12
04-15-11, 09:57 PM
They had Polo Green Allantes lined up on the roof of Cobo when they used to run downtown.