: Gas Guzzler Tax Auto VS Manual



WaterKing
04-08-11, 12:29 AM
In researching a new V Coupe I found out they charge $1300 GGT for a manual transmission CTS V and $2600 GGT for an automatic. Essentially even though there is no charge to get an automatic the extra GGT makes it a $1300 option.

From Cadillac site:
CTS-VSedan and CTS-V Coupe'CTS-V SEDAN' AND 'COUPE':RWD

6-SPEEDMANUAL TRANSMISSION:
• Top speed in km/h: 308• Acceleration 0–100 km/h (s): 4.4• Fuel consumption:
- urban: 21.8 l / 100 km- extra-urban: 11.5 l / 100 km- combined: 15.3 l / 100 km
• CO2 emissions combined:365 g/km
• 6-speed, TremecŪ TR-6060 manual gearbox
• Gear ratios 1st: 2.66; 2nd: 1.78; 3rd: 1.30; 4th: 1.00; 5th: 0.80;6th: 0.63; reverse: 2.90; finaldrive: 3.73RWD,

6-SPEEDAUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION:
• Top speed in km/h: 282• Acceleration 0–100 km/h (s): 4.4• Fuel consumption:
- urban: 21.7 l / 100 km- extra-urban: 10.7 l / 100 km- combined: 14.7 l / 100 km
• CO2 emissions combined:350 g/km
• 6-speed Hydro-Matic gearbox;
electronically controlled,automatic overdrivetransmission with torqueconverter clutch, performance algorithm shifting and Driver ShiftControl (DSC) for clutchlessmanual operation
• Steering-wheel-mounted paddle
shift controls
• Gear ratios 1st: 4.02; 2nd: 2.36; 3rd: 1.53; 4th: 1.15; 5th: 0.85;6th: 0.67; reverse: 3.06; finaldrive: 3.23


Actually penalty for auto:
.1 MPG Urban
.8 MPG Ultra Urban
.6 MPG combined

and the auto actually puts out LESS CO2 Emmissions per Kg.

For this they DOUBLE the gas guzzler tax! Must be something else coming into play here. Does anyone know what that is or how it is computed? The figures just don't add up.

Had I known this upfront I would have gone for the manual...the coupe is probably more desirable as a manual for resale purposes anyway.

Razorecko
04-08-11, 01:45 AM
from the top of my head i believe the manual just cleared the gas guzzler tax with better gas mileage. Yep, auto's get screwed

baabootoo
04-09-11, 12:01 AM
It's something like for every MPG under 19 average, it's $1000 or so.

WaterKing
04-09-11, 03:54 AM
Carline Verify Mfr Cd Index (Model Type Index) Eng Displ # Cyl Trans as listed in FE Guide (derived from col AA thru AF) City FE (Guide) - Conventional Fuel Hwy FE (Guide) - Conventional Fuel Comb FE (Guide) - Conventional Fuel City Unadj FE - Conventional Fuel Hwy Unadj FE - Conventional Fuel Comb Unadj FE - Conventional Fuel

CTS GMX 139 3.0 6 Manual(M6) 16 26 19 19.9 36 24.9139
CTS GMX 110 3.0 6 Auto(S6) 18 27 22 23.1 38.3 28.1224
CTS GMX 97 3.6 6 Manual(M6) 16 25 19 19.8 36.1 24.8489
CTS GMX 16 3.6 6 Auto(S6) 18 27 21 22.9 40.1 28.3773
CTS GMX 67 6.2 8 Manual(M6) 14 19 16 17.5 26.3 20.6021
CTS GMX 66 6.2 8 Auto(S6) 12 18 14 14.3707 25.1835 17.8122
CTS AWD GMX 112 3.0 6 Auto(S6) 18 26 21 22 36.2 26.7159
CTS AWD GMX 90 3.6 6 Auto(S6) 18 27 21 22.3 37.3 27.2272
CTS WAGON GMX 111 3.0 6 Auto(S6) 18 27 22 23.1 38.3 28.1224
CTS WAGON GMX 17 3.6 6 Auto(S6) 18 26 21 22.2 37 27.0732
CTS WAGON GMX 8 6.2 8 Manual(M6) 14 19 16 17.5 26.3 20.6021
CTS WAGON GMX 14 6.2 8 Auto(S6) 12 18 14 14.3707 25.1835 17.8122
CTS WAGON AWD GMX 113 3.0 6 Auto(S6) 18 26 21 22 36.2 26.7159
CTS WAGON AWD GMX 91 3.6 6 Auto(S6) 18 26 21 22.3 37.3 27.2272

This is what the EPA reports and what is used to determine GGT.

WaterKing
04-09-11, 03:56 AM
Sorry for the format loss but can't seem to get the format to take. The bottom line is that the EPA findings and the GM reported findings differ dramatically for the automatics. Makes me wonder who is fibbing. And the Coupe is nowhere to be found. See here for formatted info by year:
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/download.shtml

WaterKing
04-09-11, 04:03 AM
Tax Schedule

The IRS collects the tax directly from the manufacturer or importer of the vehicles. The following table shows the gas guzzler tax rates which have been in effect since January 1, 1991. The manufacturer or importer must pay this amount for each vehicle that doesn’t meet the minimum fuel economy level of 22.5 mpg.

Combined fuel economy of: Amount
at least 22.5 mpg No tax
at least 21.5, but less than 22.5 mpg $1000
at least 20.5, but less than 21.5 mpg $1300
at least 19.5, but less than 20.5 mpg $1700
at least 18.5, but less than 19.5 mpg $2100
at least 17.5, but less than 18.5 mpg $2600
at least 16.5, but less than 17.5 mpg $3000
at least 15.5, but less than 16.5 mpg $3700
at least 14.5, but less than 15.5 mpg $4500
at least 13.5, but less than 14.5 mpg $5400
at least 12.5, but less than 13.5 mpg $6400
less than 12.5 mpg $7700

WaterKing
04-10-11, 03:56 PM
The difference is that GM's posting and the EPA's figures deviate by 2-3 MPG.

Jeff_J
04-11-11, 09:30 PM
I believe the calculations for the gas guzzler tax (as well as the CAFE) figures are based on the mileage numbers calculated in the "old" manner of determining mileage. The process was revised a few years ago simply by making an arithmetic calculation in order to better reflect "real world" mileage.