: Black Raven- what wax and steps to make the car shine as new



rednumbers
03-31-11, 02:38 AM
Funny I told myself that I would never buy a black car again. What do you know. So I just picked up my car 2 weeks ago brand new but the was on the lot for awhile. Paint wasn't looking the best.

So I looking for some sugguestions in waxes and polishes and what you do to make the car look great. I have a bunch of small minor scratches i need to get out.

I have heard the zaino is pretty good. Never used it and just normally usually use meguiars stuff from autozone

Any recomendations

Caddy Wagon
03-31-11, 06:09 AM
LOTS of good info about detailing here:

http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-detailing/

mberisha
03-31-11, 06:28 AM
Funny I told myself that I would never buy a black car again. What do you know. So I just picked up my car 2 weeks ago brand new but the was on the lot for awhile. Paint wasn't looking the best.

So I looking for some sugguestions in waxes and polishes and what you do to make the car look great. I have a bunch of small minor scratches i need to get out.

I have heard the zaino is pretty good. Never used it and just normally usually use meguiars stuff from autozone

Any recomendations

Zaino....start out w/Z-PC for the swirls and scratches....then Z-5...and for a high-gloss finish up w/Z-2.....

I usually do the series over a week or so....but if you had the time...you could probably get it all done in about 3-4hours....

MReiland
03-31-11, 07:52 AM
Funny I told myself that I would never buy a black car again. What do you know. So I just picked up my car 2 weeks ago brand new but the was on the lot for awhile. Paint wasn't looking the best.

So I looking for some sugguestions in waxes and polishes and what you do to make the car look great. I have a bunch of small minor scratches i need to get out.

I have heard the zaino is pretty good. Never used it and just normally usually use meguiars stuff from autozone

Any recomendations

Well every time this comes up I usually hear Zaino and Griots. I am partial to Griots myself www.griotsgarage.com, I purchased pretty much their whole line including the RO buffer.
For just the exterior, something like this: http://www.griotsgarage.com/product/car+care/car+care+kits/ultimate+machine+polish+%26+wax+kit.do

To get out light scratches, first I clay the car to make sure you don't scratch it further, I use Machine Polish 3, then the Best of Show Wax. The paint usually looks wet at that point. You need to switch over to very soft microfiber cloth's on the exterior too to eliminate more scratches.

When I sold my last blk/blk CTS, the owner called about a month later to see what I had on it when he bought it since he could never get it as glossy and wet looking with any other waxes he bought. I heard that Zaino is the same, although I hear of some people putting on coat after coat of Zaino for the look and it can be very time consuming. The Random Orbital can be your friend if used correctly.

garfin
03-31-11, 07:54 AM
Zaino....start out w/Z-PC for the swirls and scratches....then Z-5...and for a high-gloss finish up w/Z-2.....

I usually do the series over a week or so....but if you had the time...you could probably get it all done in about 3-4hours....

Agreed. If you are thinking of doing multiple applications within a 24 hour period, you will need the ZFX as well.

I use the Z-6 gloss enhancer between applications. If the car has some sort of polish or wax currently on it, consider washing the car using Dawn dishwashing liquid to strip the old wax and then claybar the finish before starting the Zaino applications. Some use the Z-8 Grande Finale at the end of the process.

Best regards,

Elie

Domsz06
03-31-11, 08:58 AM
dawn wash it

zaino clay bar it

re wash it with zaino

then apply their polishes. It's what I did on my z06 when I bought it new and the silver still looks great! ;)

AG'S-V
03-31-11, 09:51 AM
Zaino AIO is a great product for a daily driver to use in place of the ZPC for a "one application" method FWIW if the swirls aren't too bad...it will diminish them slightly.

But I agree with above...for more enhancement do Z5, Z6, Z2 and another layer of Z5 followed by Z8 after the initial application of ZPC...you'll be able to stick your finger in the black paint :)

I use Griot's RO and orange polish pads with my Zaino...they work beautifully together.

NROTIK
03-31-11, 09:58 AM
If anyone living in south east Michigan that has been paying someone to detail their v and/or now wants to learn to detail it. give me a bump.. We can make arrangements to teach you how to do it..

translux
03-31-11, 11:21 AM
Getting ready for my spring detail on my black V.
Car detailing is a hobby for me as I find it relaxing.
I use a combination of things but love the 3M pro products.
Here is a nice basic guide to products and applications.
Disclaimer: Some of these products and processes applied incorrectly can ruin your paint.
http://3mcollision.com/media/documents/brochure/Detailing_Manual.pdf

I also swear by using dionized water
http://crspotless.com/

cdog533
03-31-11, 12:33 PM
Zaino takes FOREVER.

Much easier way - the Wet Ice over Fire shine: http://classic-motoring.stores.yahoo.net/crweovfishon.html

Basically, it's:

- clay bar (I think clay bars are really hard to use though and would skip this unless the car really needs it)
- polishing compound
- Polymer sealant/wax
- carnuba wax
- detail spray

Works good, and the sell the whole kit and the 7424 polisher.

Some advice from me on how to wash a black car:

- Spray car down with hose
- Use sheepskin mit and good car soap
- After every wipe wash the sheepskin out in plain water bucket before going to soap bucket
- Spray with hose when done with soap
- When done, LAY 5-10 towels on car. Move them around to different spots until car is dry. Don't WIPE car with towels.
- Car will be blotchy. Spray with detail spray, wipe with mircrofiber

This process minimizes swirls.

None of these products/processes can harm your car in any way! Even if applied incorrectly! It just won't be as awesome.

Mark58
03-31-11, 12:42 PM
Almost done with my Black Raven DTS

Worked well for me. Forget doing it by hand you will never get it done right.
http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43209

mannyz
03-31-11, 12:50 PM
^^^What if you dry with microfiber?

Mark58
03-31-11, 12:59 PM
That will work great

translux
03-31-11, 01:14 PM
Nothing cloth including microfiber for drying A clean wet absorber is the way to go for drying
http://www.amazon.com/Absorber-Synthetic-Drying-Chamois-27/dp/B0000AY69V
Follow the instructions on proper conditioning prior to use.

Microfiber wash mit is good.
Use a mild detergent something like Autoglym with diionized water.
I use three different mits a newer from the top part of the car, another for the lower part of the car and one for the rims and inside of the fenders. I rotate through these moving each down the chain often.
A great wash is the key.

Then either wait for the car to fully dry or use a compressor to blow out the water from trim and receses.
Then strart the polishing and waxing process.
I would blue tape off the trim, molding,windows etc. anything you don't want to get product on.
Last tip with product less is more. Most people use way to much product.

Cub Cadet
03-31-11, 02:53 PM
I would never use a polish on new paint/clear. However, the clay bar is wise to use.
Wax is a personal preference and for me, I have tried a bunch. I tried the Zaino product before and was highly unimpressed. The amount of time and steps involved was a joke. I found a wax called Cherry Wet Wax and have used that for 9 years now. This is the only wax I have found that leaves a dark color looking wet. I use this, and then in between washes, I use Meguiars quick detailer. I usually go 3-4 months in between details, and the CTS only takes about 2hrs to fully detail. Yes, only two hrs to get a "better than Zaino" finish.

musclesbmf
03-31-11, 03:05 PM
All in Ones (AIO) and synthetic polymer polishes leave blacks shiny but with a plastic like look. There is nothing like a good Carnauba wax to make a black car look wet. I'm getting ready to use the Griot's next weekend for the first time and looking forward to the results.

Mark

Wannago
03-31-11, 03:31 PM
Wolfgang Fuzion polish enhancer followed by Estate Wax (carnauba).

qictrk
03-31-11, 04:41 PM
More wax than this, come on you guys. :ohthedrama: Cecil...........:food-snacking:

FFBOS
03-31-11, 05:12 PM
I swear by Zaino products. I have a used 09 that I took posession of with 7000 miles on it. Has some lighter swirls. Z5 didn't touch them, so I'm going to take a morning and get out the orbital buffer and see if I can cut them with a light polish with a cutting pad. I don't think I'll have to use an actual compound, that will really hit it hard.....

I'll do the whole car over again with a finishing polish with a super soft pad, and then apply the Z2 from Zaino. That gives the car a very wet look.

This is my first black car. It amazes me how easily black shows swirls. Even if you rub your finger against it soft it will still scratch. At least it hides tar well :)

thebigjimsho
03-31-11, 05:22 PM
Zaino AIO is a great product for a daily driver to use in place of the ZPC for a "one application" method FWIW if the swirls aren't too bad...it will diminish them slightly.

But I agree with above...for more enhancement do Z5, Z6, Z2 and another layer of Z5 followed by Z8 after the initial application of ZPC...you'll be able to stick your finger in the black paint :)

I use Griot's RO and orange polish pads with my Zaino...they work beautifully together.
My biggest issue with Zainos is the quoted post.

Use Z-4 than Z-6 then Z-998 then Z-WTF and then spritz with Z-23, Z-40 and Z-8. Then do the whole thing in Z-666 and you're all set. 41 hours of love and you're good to go. I don't doubt the results one bit. It's just I don't need a thick owners manual to detail my V.

I use Griots because it's EASY to follow and the results are amazing, like Zaino. And the Detailers Handbook is an incredibly useful tool that will teach you to detail better than a pro.

Griots car wash, clay bar and carnauba wax(or sealant if you DD a ton of miles if you prefer) and you're looking great. The polishes are numbered 1 to 4 depending on how bad the scratches. Easy, simple, great results...

thebigjimsho
03-31-11, 05:24 PM
All in Ones (AIO) and synthetic polymer polishes leave blacks shiny but with a plastic like look. There is nothing like a good Carnauba wax to make a black car look wet. I'm getting ready to use the Griot's next weekend for the first time and looking forward to the results.

Mark
Let us know how you like it...

AG'S-V
03-31-11, 05:34 PM
Damn dude, it's not that hard :)

paul34
03-31-11, 10:24 PM
Agreed - head over to autopia.org and start reading around. It's always easier to learn the correct way the first time, and while it is straightforward, it's not quite just picking up some spray wax from walmart and throwing it on with whatever towels you have laying around the house :)

Detailing is (to make this sound a bit corny) a bit of a total lifestyle change in how you take care of your car, and not just a single, 15 minute thing you do once a year.

My recommendation is to make sure you take the time to learn proper washing technique. In the long run, this will significantly help to reduce the amount of swirling and marring you get on paint. Most people believe that black only looks good when new, and then slowly looks worse and worse until it is horrible. That's not necessarily true; with proper care, it can look great for many, many years.

translux
04-01-11, 12:15 AM
Polish or really glazes is fine as long as it's ok for clear coat and is used properly. The 3m perfectit system is fantastic.
Ill post some results when I do it.

Frayles
04-01-11, 12:58 PM
I am actually shocked that I haven't heard one inkling about Adams Polishes. I was a huge fan of Zaino as well, but found Adams products to be a lot easier to work with. I have been using their products for years and they are all top notch. Easy application and wipe away with the right Porter Cable machine and microfiber towels. Their detail spray is outstanding! You should all check out their site and see for yourself. http://www.adamspolishes.com/ Anyone interested in a 10 % discount code should use camaro5 at check out.

musclesbmf
04-01-11, 02:16 PM
I've used Meguiar's (regular and pro), Mother's, Klasse, Menzerna, Adam's, Zaino, Blackfire, Glacier...
And I'm really looking forward to trying the Griot's. Heard a lot of good stuff about it.

Mark

Frikiton
04-10-11, 05:02 PM
You guys are lucky that have your own garage and are able to do stuff yourself. But for people like me that live in the city, have to park outside and take it to hand car wash or auto car wash works differently.
After this winter harsh snow, my black STS 06 got so many clearcoat scratches that is noticeable even when it comes out of any car wash. What can I do now that the weather is getting warmer?

What do you Caddi folks prefer hand car washes or auto(machine) ?
My gf just told me about brushless car wash in her area that she takes her car to.

cdog533
04-10-11, 10:45 PM
You guys are lucky that have your own garage and are able to do stuff yourself. But for people like me that live in the city, have to park outside and take it to hand car wash or auto car wash works differently.
After this winter harsh snow, my black STS 06 got so many clearcoat scratches that is noticeable even when it comes out of any car wash. What can I do now that the weather is getting warmer?

What do you Caddi folks prefer hand car washes or auto(machine) ?
My gf just told me about brushless car wash in her area that she takes her car to.

I prefer to do it myself, with my own materials... There's no substitute for hard work and extreme care when washing or detailing a car.

To get your car back to a good condition, you need to find a good quality detailer that understands black and how to remove swirls, something that isn't easy. He can get the car right, but it will cost ya. I think a full detail is $300+.

The 'brushless' car washes are really the best for the paint, as they just spray water at the car. They are also very ineffective at getting the car clean. This is probably what you'd want to use if you just want to get the car pretty clean pretty fast.

I do have a solution for you - it's what I do on the road - and you can get basically the same results as we get in our suburban driveways. Go to a self-serve car wash, you know, where you drive in a bay and they have the wands. Put about $7.00 - $10.00 in quarters into the machine so they can't complain.

- Spray the car with soap. Do this as good as possible. Try to get most of the dirt off the car.
- Go around to each panel with a lambswool wash mit. Spray the panel, wipe it with the mit. Spray the mit. Keep the mit clean. Move on to next panel. Do this from the top down.
- Wheels, same treatment. Keep mit clean.
- Now spray the whole car with the rinse water, then spot free water.
- Pull the car out and blot dry it with some good quality drying towels. Dry the wheels as well.
- Now spray the whole car with a detailing spray and wipe it down.
- Do the windows with window stuff, wipe the tires with armor all.

Stay away from tunnel washes with brushes... They will get a car clean but they swirl.

Frikiton
04-11-11, 12:17 AM
I prefer to do it myself, with my own materials... There's no substitute for hard work and extreme care when washing or detailing a car.

To get your car back to a good condition, you need to find a good quality detailer that understands black and how to remove swirls, something that isn't easy. He can get the car right, but it will cost ya. I think a full detail is $300+.

The 'brushless' car washes are really the best for the paint, as they just spray water at the car. They are also very ineffective at getting the car clean. This is probably what you'd want to use if you just want to get the car pretty clean pretty fast.

I do have a solution for you - it's what I do on the road - and you can get basically the same results as we get in our suburban driveways. Go to a self-serve car wash, you know, where you drive in a bay and they have the wands. Put about $7.00 - $10.00 in quarters into the machine so they can't complain.

- Spray the car with soap. Do this as good as possible. Try to get most of the dirt off the car.
- Go around to each panel with a lambswool wash mit. Spray the panel, wipe it with the mit. Spray the mit. Keep the mit clean. Move on to next panel. Do this from the top down.
- Wheels, same treatment. Keep mit clean.
- Now spray the whole car with the rinse water, then spot free water.
- Pull the car out and blot dry it with some good quality drying towels. Dry the wheels as well.
- Now spray the whole car with a detailing spray and wipe it down.
- Do the windows with window stuff, wipe the tires with armor all.

Stay away from tunnel washes with brushes... They will get a car clean but they swirl.

Thanks a lot .. I actually just saw this for the first time ever yesterday. This place was really far from me since they don't have these in the city or maybe I'll need to do some research see if there's any not so far away.

But I saw this link http://autos.aol.com/article/automatic-car-wash-tips/
so it kinda makes me think. WTF some sources say this is good then it says its not.

MReiland
04-11-11, 08:11 AM
Thanks a lot .. I actually just saw this for the first time ever yesterday. This place was really far from me since they don't have these in the city or maybe I'll need to do some research see if there's any not so far away.

But I saw this link http://autos.aol.com/article/automatic-car-wash-tips/
so it kinda makes me think. WTF some sources say this is good then it says its not.

The bad thing is that car washes come in so many shapes and sizes, even a 'soft cloth' car wash can have residue, calcium buildup etc on the soft cloths which can cause scratches. The problem is like others have said, touchless don't get the car very clean, especially if you don't have a really nice coat of wax on the vehicle. Detailing spray is really nice since it lubricates the paint while you are cleaning when you aren't in the wash, you can also use detailing spray with clay to get off stubborn debris from the paint. The best bet would be to get a good wash and dry locally then find somewhere where you can plug in a Random Orbital buffer in the shade and really take out the swirls with one of the products above, I use Griots. If you have absolutely no options for a power plug, your only bet may be to use a professional detailer. I wonder if there is a chance that you could use an inverter off the cigarette lighter or battery to power one up and not even need a local power outlet.

Cub Cadet
04-11-11, 10:10 AM
Here are some pictures of the Cherry Wet Wax (From Coats Products). This is on Ford Tuxedo Black paint. This is the best wax I have ever used on Dark colors... nothing compares to it.
http://www.f150online.com/forums/members/cub+cadet-albums-trailblazer+ss-picture161672-dsc02424.jpg

http://www.f150online.com/forums/members/cub+cadet-albums-trailblazer+ss-picture161671-dsc02423.jpg

http://www.f150online.com/forums/members/cub+cadet-albums-trailblazer+ss-picture161670-dsc02419.jpg

http://www.f150online.com/forums/members/cub+cadet-albums-trailblazer+ss-picture161669-dsc02418.jpg

http://www.f150online.com/forums/members/cub+cadet-albums-trailblazer+ss-picture161668-dsc02416.jpg

http://www.f150online.com/forums/members/cub+cadet-albums-trailblazer+ss-picture161667-dsc02414.jpg

musclesbmf
04-11-11, 10:54 AM
Cub...
I've tried to order the Cherry Wet Wax and have come up empty handed. Whee do you order yours from?

Thanks,
Mark

Frikiton
04-11-11, 10:58 AM
Here are some pictures of the Cherry Wet Wax (From Coats Products). This is on Ford Tuxedo Black paint. This is the best wax I have ever used on Dark colors... nothing compares to it.


damn that does look good
sucks for me to live in the city

Cub Cadet
04-11-11, 11:10 AM
Thanks! That was a 1.5hr detail... from washing through waxing. It is phenomenal stuff and is very quick and easy to use.
To order, please get in contact with Jason at Detail King:

Jason Fung
Marketing Manager/Internet Sales
Detail King LP
888-827-2757
724-325-4506 - fax
jasonf@detailking.com
www.detailking.com

Tedboss1
04-18-11, 04:04 PM
The lazy sod that I'm I have used Turtle wax Color Magic Car Polish last weekend.
It was fast and easy to apply. It removed 95% of scratches and swirl marks.
The wax is black so it fills scratches very well.
It also comes with a wax pen for deeper scratches.
The manufacturer claims it contains Carnauba wax.
I was wondering if anybody else has used this product as I'm concerned with it's durability.

Nutz
04-18-11, 06:43 PM
So many different ways. I have different rituals for the different colors and paint types I have.

My Urethane cars get one good sponge pad power buffing with Perfect It.
I use two types of detail sprays and NEVER wax, I hate wax on urethanes, it becomes magnetic to dust and stays on the surface dull after the sun has baked it to a fade. I use Maguiars Ultimate (with polymers) on my Crystal Red V, and I use Zaino Grand Finale on my GN. The constant build up of Polymers is more effective on increasing the shine better than any wax. To each his own, you either maintain with detail spray or play catch up with polish and waxes.

I have tried MANY products for years and have had countless cars. I find Zaino to be very impressive but don't like the lack of accessibility to it's products. I use ONLY Maguiars Gold Class Car Wash Soap for two reasons, one, it can be very soft and lathery if the right mixture is used, and two, it smells like Johnson and Johnson's No Tears Baby Shampoo. Hey, smell really matters to me...

I use a California water Blade on ALL my cars with ZERO scratches if washed properly. Walk around it with the compressor blow-gun, then dry with a LARGE microfiber hand towel that is seasoned with either Lucas Slick Mist or Eagle One Wax-as-you-dry to dry the vehicle. I never wash my microfiber towels, I throw them away every year and buy new ones from the Adams tent at Corvettes at Carlisle.


Wheels:
I only use Dawn dishwashing detergent, and I use i special ordered hand sponge that goes all the way in my wheels to the inner bead. I use a sheepskin mitt on the face of the wheel. After drying, I use something we all should use, Armor All Wheel Protectant spray. It really works, and is a must for our cars.

Tires: Westley's Bleach White once a month, then a light coating of Maguiars Endurance Tire Gel.
Wheel wells: Jack the car up, mitt the wheel wells with dawn, then Armor All Detailer's Choice while still wet to help soak into plastic.

Windows: I only use GM Glass Cleaner from the dealer, It's much stronger that Windex and helps my wipers last longer, plus my V has an endless film on the windshield that I've heard about many times here.

My Lacquer cars are easy:
Light colors get a hand cleaning with "Finesse It" (same as clay bar but liquid)
Dark colors get a hand cleaning with "Perfect it" (same as clay bar but liquid)
Then the light colors get one or two coats a year of Adams Buttery Wax (easy easy wipe off, zero residue, noticeable shine, pretty available to me at Summit Racing).
The dark colors get Liquid Glass (takes 2 coats to start working, than gets a sic shine)

Oh, and I hate Griots... It's power marketed, and to me shows little results. I am about to embark on some newly acquired way too expensive Wolfgang Fuzion Wax and detail spray on my V, but not expecting any revelations.

neuronbob
04-18-11, 07:52 PM
Zaino takes lots of time once a year. Wash with z7 and finish with spray detailer other times. It's really not that hard to me. I swear by the stuff.

550HP STSV
04-18-11, 09:15 PM
Hey yo Jim!!!!!!!!!!!!

First for those on a budget, without a lot of time:
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-sts-forum-2005-through-2010/170887-red-sts-review-ice-3-step.html

And then:
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-sts-forum-2005-through-2010/170978-red-sts-review-ice-paste-polish.html

You had better believe it looks twice as good on black.

But I will be using Zaino on my black V this spring. The results will be 2x whats shown above.

Wannago
04-18-11, 09:56 PM
A couple weekends ago I "Wolfgang'd" my V.

After a hand wash with Dawn, I used the Wolfgang Polish Enhancer. This was the hardest part of the entire process, but even at that, it was pretty easy. I say "hardest" because I used a little extra elbow grease when applying it to help buff out any swirls, mars, etc. that I came across. It worked great and even on the trunk, where I had removed the ugly dealer badge which left a noticeably dull area where it was mounted, it polished that out completely. I was thinking that I might have to use an actual cut polish, but the Wolfgang did great with it.

After the polish, I applied the Wolfgang Fuzion wax. This is the best wax I have ever used. It goes on super easy, and a littel goes a loooong way. It came off just as easy as it went on.

http://members.shaw.ca/thomper/FuzionV.JPG

As you can tell by the background, we still haven't fully had srping arrive yet, and just this past weekend got another sh!tload of snow. Once spring does settle in, I'll get to the tires and rims.

jb_bgg
04-18-11, 10:14 PM
That looks really good. Nice job.

RapidRob
04-18-11, 11:03 PM
^^^ Yep - I have to agree. Looks really great!

But never heard of Wolfgang products. Is this a Canadian product, or have I just not noticed it in the local outlets?

Rob

FFBOS
04-18-11, 11:52 PM
I just did a 6hr long "detail" of my 09 black raven. It had some moderate swirls/scratches throughout the clear. The average person wouldn't even note them, but I'm super picky. I used Menzerna products with my orbital buffer.

Cut with a compound and heavy pad, then medium pad with a medium polish, then a super soft pad with a finishing polish, then cleaned it up real good and finished off the entire process with a coat of Z2 from Zaino. The car looks showroom new and has a mirror finish.

Taping off the entire car was a pain in the ass, but well worth it. I did forget about the taillights in the rear and ended up buffer burning a small part of each one, but I would only be able to point it out. This is my first black car I've had, so I'm trying to let the small stuff go....:)

Wannago
04-19-11, 12:32 AM
^^^ Yep - I have to agree. Looks really great!

But never heard of Wolfgang products. Is this a Canadian product, or have I just not noticed it in the local outlets?

Rob

I think it's German Rob. I stumbled across it while browsing a detailing forum, as many of the members really like it. The "main" tub of was comes in a funky wooden box and costs $175.00 and includes free refills. I wasn't about to spend that amount on something I'd never used, so I bought a 3 oz jar for $50.00. I will probably be able to do my car 5 or 6 times with that jar. Apparently it is a high carnauba content wax. I noticed when applying it that it seemed almost "oily", but it buffed off very easy. IMO, well worth the money. I ordered it from an American online supplier I found through google.

concorso
04-19-11, 08:40 AM
I think it's German Rob. I stumbled across it while browsing a detailing forum, as many of the members really like it. The "main" tub of was comes in a funky wooden box and costs $175.00 and includes free refills. I wasn't about to spend that amount on something I'd never used, so I bought a 3 oz jar for $50.00. I will probably be able to do my car 5 or 6 times with that jar. Apparently it is a high carnauba content wax. I noticed when applying it that it seemed almost "oily", but it buffed off very easy. IMO, well worth the money. I ordered it from an American online supplier I found through google.Wolfgang is from Florida. Previously, you could get that wax for much less then $175 if you skipped the wooden box and the refill. The carnauba content is high, but not as high as other waxes, like P21S 100%...the wax content in that wax is entirely carnauba. Fuzion is a cross breed, its laced with polymers.

cdog533
04-19-11, 01:55 PM
Taping off the entire car was a pain in the ass, but well worth it. I did forget about the taillights in the rear and ended up buffer burning a small part of each one, but I would only be able to point it out. This is my first black car I've had, so I'm trying to let the small stuff go....:)

Will a Porter 7424 or equivalent 'buffer-burn' the taillights? I've not seen that happen....

Wannago
04-19-11, 02:16 PM
Wolfgang is from Florida. Previously, you could get that wax for much less then $175 if you skipped the wooden box and the refill. The carnauba content is high, but not as high as other waxes, like P21S 100%...the wax content in that wax is entirely carnauba. Fuzion is a cross breed, its laced with polymers.

Thanks concorso. Reading up a bit more, the Wolfgang Fuzion wax uses pure white carnauba and is blended with "unique German polymers" (possibly why I thought it was German).

This is an interesting thread, as there are obviously lots of opinions. From what I have read, a pure carnauba wax only lasts a couple weeks, which is why the polymers are added - they increase the durabilty. One thing's for sure, there are lots of good choices out there, it all depends what you want to spend and how much work you want to put into it.

cdog533
04-19-11, 06:08 PM
I'm not whoring for this company, but I do like this concept of carnuba-over-polymer. Use any products you want, but the polishing compound-polymer-carnuba-detailing spray technique works well for me.

http://classic-motoring.stores.yahoo.net/crweovfishon.html

ogbuehi
04-22-11, 12:43 PM
Once all my gear gets stateside I plan to throw Zaino on my 2011 Black DTS. I've tried the gas station brands like turtle and Meguir's and for the same amount of effort Zaino produced a longer lasting shine that I didn't need to reapply every week. A simple hand wash and hand dry was all I needed to keep my 95 Deville looking brand new.

concorso
04-26-11, 07:54 PM
Thanks concorso. Reading up a bit more, the Wolfgang Fuzion wax uses pure white carnauba and is blended with "unique German polymers" (possibly why I thought it was German).

This is an interesting thread, as there are obviously lots of opinions. From what I have read, a pure carnauba wax only lasts a couple weeks, which is why the polymers are added - they increase the durabilty. One thing's for sure, there are lots of good choices out there, it all depends what you want to spend and how much work you want to put into it.Pinnacle/Detailers Pride/Wolfgang and maybe another brand are all produced by the same company in Florida. The Wolfgang line also has input from a German chemist...
For info sake, the white carnauba doesnt exist that way in nature, its a highly refined version of the #1 yellow carnauba normally used. Polymers look different as well. The hybrid (wax/polymer) waxes look really good, imo.

concorso
04-26-11, 07:58 PM
I'm not whoring for this company, but I do like this concept of carnuba-over-polymer. Use any products you want, but the polishing compound-polymer-carnuba-detailing spray technique works well for me.

http://classic-motoring.stores.yahoo.net/crweovfishon.htmlI use Blackfire Wet Diamond as my base. 2 coats followed by repeated coats of Concorso every 3 weeks or so works well.