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JimmyH
03-23-11, 02:21 PM
He is having some internet troubles. Clear wants to charge him $1400 in overage fees, he told them to go to hell, rightfully so. So now he is without internet until gets (gasp) dial-up back online or finds another alternative.

Let's all say a little prayer for him :helpless:

cadillac kevin
03-23-11, 02:41 PM
that really sucks. he's a great asset on the board here. hope he gets internet soon.


btw, fix the title. looks like thumpy wrote it.

hueterm
03-23-11, 03:39 PM
Good lord...how awful...

Submariner409
03-23-11, 04:01 PM
:sneaky: ............ If he's in an urban area he might be able to sneak onto someone's unprotected router.....................

Overage fees ??????

My Verizon DSL is bundled with the 2 phone lines and there's no "overage".........

gdwriter
03-23-11, 04:40 PM
Some big ISPs love to hit you with hidden fees after the fact. Good for Larry for telling them to go to hell. I would have told them to go f*ck themselves.

I like that my ISP is a locally owned cooperative.

Playdrv4me
03-23-11, 06:19 PM
Clear is wireless "4G" service which he was having to use cause he's in the boonies. These wireless providers are notorious for calling something "unlimited" then getting you with fine print caveat bullshit later on when you are sucking down more of the pipe than they think you deserve. And this is why Clear is going to be in the toilet 6 months from now.

Unfortunately, it is only a matter of time before we begin to see these types of limits imposed on terrestrial broadband connections (already happening with some providers through throttling and other means). This is also a big part of the Net Neutrality issue being fought in the courts right now. And while ultimately I think the free market needs to be allowed to prevail, this is a potentially painful problem for all of us.

Hope he finds a reasonable alternative.

ThumperPup
03-23-11, 06:24 PM
that really sucks. he's a great asset on the board here. hope he gets internet soon.


btw, fix the title. looks like thumpy wrote it.

hahahaha very fun

ThumperPup
03-23-11, 06:26 PM
but it comes down to the part well if they are one of the only providers in the area then they dont need to be competitive if you want it you have to pay for it
thats the sad part about this world

CIWS
03-23-11, 06:30 PM
Well that sucks azz.

jordan00escalade
03-23-11, 06:35 PM
http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp70/Vinson_Family1/absoluteBS.jpg

gary88
03-23-11, 06:56 PM
And I thought Comcast was bad.

OffThaHorseCEO
03-23-11, 07:15 PM
whoever is in contact with him...

tell him to go to his "rep" in the store. the rep can call on his behalf, make up something to show why he went over and get the charges cleared. any rep worth his salt can do this.

Ranger
03-23-11, 07:42 PM
OK, I'm back, albeit on Netzero (dialup) :mad:.

4G is not in my area so I was stuck on 3G with Clear. Apparently 4G is unlimited, 3G is not. They gave me two choices. Pay up or discontinue service. Like that was a tough choice. I told them where they could stick it. I spoke to Sprint and they had a similar service with no limit, no contract for a monthly fee about the same as Clear's, but I needed a mobile hotspot modem/router or something like that. :noidea: so my daughter could get online as well (she's working on her masters). Was going to sign up, but they supposedly did not have one available (anywhere in the country). :hmm: Anyway, here I sit on dialup until I can get something worked out, probably with Sprint. They seem to be my only option. I guess this is better than nothing. I was having withdrawals after 5 days without the internet.

P.S.
They did drop the charges, agreed to no early termination fee and will be prorating this months bill because I was without service for the last 5 days.

ThumperPup
03-23-11, 07:44 PM
omg i didnt even know they still made dial up modems or card for computers anymore
wow didnt even know dial up still could be used wow takes me back to the AOL days of the mid 90s lol

Sevillian273
03-23-11, 08:41 PM
I remember when I used to dream about getting 56K. I also remember when a 4 minute song took over a half an hour to download from Napster. Ahh those were the days....

NOT.


Oh and who can forget that godawful connection jingle...

The Tony Show
03-23-11, 08:42 PM
EEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeee

EEEEErrrrrrrrrRRRRRrrrrrBLEEEEEEEp

SSSSSSshhhhhhhhhhhhh

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-23-11, 08:55 PM
Ahhh dialup, it's like 1999 all over again. Good to have you back Larry!

thebigjimsho
03-23-11, 08:59 PM
OK, I'm back, albeit on Netzero (dialup) :mad:.

4G is not in my area so I was stuck on 3G with Clear. Apparently 4G is unlimited, 3G is not. They gave me two choices. Pay up or discontinue service. Like that was a tough choice. I told them where they could stick it. I spoke to Sprint and they had a similar service with no limit, no contract for a monthly fee about the same as Clear's, but I needed a mobile hotspot modem/router or something like that. :noidea: so my daughter could get online as well (she's working on her masters). Was going to sign up, but they supposedly did not have one available (anywhere in the country). :hmm: Anyway, here I sit on dialup until I can get something worked out, probably with Sprint. They seem to be my only option. I guess this is better than nothing. I was having withdrawals after 5 days without the internet.

P.S.
They did drop the charges, agreed to no early termination fee and will be prorating this months bill because I was without service for the last 5 days.Sprint is weird. It doesn't matter how much you use 3G as long as you're in a 4G area. And that's where you're Sprint bill is sent to. Whatev. Works for me...

cadillac kevin
03-23-11, 09:58 PM
EEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeee

EEEEErrrrrrrrrRRRRRrrrrrBLEEEEEEEp

SSSSSSshhhhhhhhhhhhh

DDDAAAAAAAAAAA DDEEEEEEEEEEEEEDLEDEEEEEDLE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH SHHHHHHHH

and presto- 10 minutes later you're online.

Ranger
03-24-11, 12:29 AM
Ahh, you guys really know how to lift a guys spirits. :)



Sprint is weird. It doesn't matter how much you use 3G as long as you're in a 4G area. And that's where you're Sprint bill is sent to. Whatev. Works for me...
That's what started this whole thing in the first place. I'm NOT in a 4G area.

Jesda
03-24-11, 02:14 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qtqz0bdq30Q

jordan00escalade
03-24-11, 03:31 AM
lol.. and one day our grandkids are going to be, "I can't believe they used keyboards."

thebigjimsho
03-24-11, 08:15 AM
Ahh, you guys really know how to lift a guys spirits. :)



That's what started this whole thing in the first place. I'm NOT in a 4G area.
That's the thing. Find a friend who is, make their address your billing address and you're all set...

JimmyH
03-24-11, 11:27 AM
I believe it's only a matter of time before "unlimited" becomes extinct. Until internet 2.0 becomes universal and we are all downloading at 1gbt/sec.
They are only offering 4G unlimited right now to entice people to buy the hardware, so the provider can cover the cost of their hardware.

thebigjimsho
03-24-11, 12:04 PM
I believe it's only a matter of time before "unlimited" becomes extinct. Until internet 2.0 becomes universal and we are all downloading at 1gbt/sec.
They are only offering 4G unlimited right now to entice people to buy the hardware, so the provider can cover the cost of their hardware.
I doubt that highly. People have been conditioned to expect unlimited. And everyone will eventually become web dependent as it becomes more efficient. Ranger's reaction would become the norm if they try to install limits. As long as people like Ranger exist, some companies will keep unlimited plans. Maybe the cost of these plans go up, but I doubt a large amount...

JimmyH
03-24-11, 02:49 PM
Maybe. But 3G started unlimited, and all those plans are now 5gb.

Jesda
03-24-11, 04:53 PM
LOL, I played the dialup sound and my dog ran to the bathroom to hide. He's so Gen-Y.

dkozloski
03-24-11, 05:34 PM
Ranger, what the hell were you doing to get even close to a download limit. Streaming porn movies?

jordan00escalade
03-24-11, 06:51 PM
Last Result:
Download Speed: 25265 kbps (3158.1 KB/sec transfer rate) 25.27mbs
Upload Speed: 2556 kbps (319.5 KB/sec transfer rate) 2.56mbs
Latency: 12 ms
Thu Mar 24 15:48:29 2011


astound = formerly known as comcast... it's kinda pricey but I think the service is great

orconn
03-24-11, 07:27 PM
LOL, I played the dialup sound and my dog ran to the bathroom to hide. He's so Gen-Y.

When I played the dial up sound for my dog she just smiled and went back to sleep. But then she is a Scottish Terrier! I've been keeping her in the dark about us getting FIOS!

Sevillian273
03-24-11, 08:06 PM
25mbps? Thats killer speed

I pay $40/month to BrightHouse for:
http://www.speedtest.net/result/1218984735.png

Seems plenty fast for me. Rarely have I ever noticed that I could use a faster speed. Maybe uploading to youtube but thats about it...

Ranger
03-24-11, 08:46 PM
That's the thing. Find a friend who is, make their address your billing address and you're all set...
Billing address is not the problem. Reception is the problem. I can live with 3G.



astound = formerly known as comcast... it's kinda pricey but I think the service is great
Comcast, nor any other cable provider is out here. No one will run cables for a few rural homes. I'd jump on AT&T DSL or Uverse if it was available. Sprint looks like a possibility. I'm supposedly in their 3G area and have to live with a cap. Problem is getting the signal and then transferring it to both my computer (in the basement) and my daughters upstairs. Need some type of hotspot router/modem or something like that and probably WIFI (like I had with Clear), but every time I talk to Sprint I get a slightly different story (IF I can understand the person I'm talking to). Gonna go to a Sprint store tomorrow and talk to someone who I can understand and see if they have a solution. Dialup is killing me, not to mention that the wife and daughter are not happy. It's becoming a matter of survival.

Satellite is pretty much out of the question from my research.

GizmoQ
03-24-11, 09:54 PM
Sprint is advertising often on the TV that their unlimited is just that, not throttled or fine print limits. Can't believe they can't find a hotspot modem. You could always create your own with one of your computers. I used to set them up for folks all the time.

Ranger
03-24-11, 10:43 PM
Yeah, Jimmy said he could do that for me if need, but recommended the hotspot first if possible. I'll see what I can find out tomorrow.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-24-11, 11:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qtqz0bdq30Q

My god, it's like I'm in the 7th grade all over again!

thebigjimsho
03-25-11, 02:25 PM
I've been in my new home for 9 months with no internet. I just use my Sprint hot spot and I love it...

Ranger
03-25-11, 04:09 PM
I considered Sprint hotspot, but just signed with Verizon. Their plan was $10/mo. cheaper , the hotspot was free (with a 2 yr contract) vs $50 from Sprint and both had a 2 yr contract (Verizon also offered a 1 yr with a $50 charge for the hotspot). Verizon's tower is only 1.5 miles from my house (I think Sprints is a little farther). Not sure if that makes any difference, but can't hurt. I hope to be back up to speed by Wed.

JimmyH
03-25-11, 04:19 PM
I've been in my new home for 9 months with no internet. I just use my Sprint hot spot and I love it...

You don't really need one. If I was the only one at my house who needed internet, I would stick with my mobile broadband too. One thing about 3G and even 4G; I don't think you could game over them. Too much lag for today's fast paced shooters.

JimmyH
03-25-11, 04:22 PM
Sprint is advertising often on the TV that their unlimited is just that, not throttled or fine print limits. Can't believe they can't find a hotspot modem. You could always create your own with one of your computers. I used to set them up for folks all the time.

Their 4G is unlimited. Their 3G plan is not.

The only problem using a host computer, is that if that computer goes down, everyone else loses internet too. And his only desktop is in the basement. So his daughter might not get signal on the second floor. That's why I told him to try getting a hot spot modem if he can.

thebigjimsho
03-25-11, 10:18 PM
Their 4G is unlimited. Their 3G plan is not.

The only problem using a host computer, is that if that computer goes down, everyone else loses internet too. And his only desktop is in the basement. So his daughter might not get signal on the second floor. That's why I told him to try getting a hot spot modem if he can.Again, maybe I haven't been clear in past posts. If you live in a 4G "area"(that is, anywhere near one or are billed in one) it doesn't matter if you can't get 4G, you'll be unlimited. I just got 4G in Worcester a couple months ago. Much of Boston wasn't in 4G until recently. I can guarantee I was going WAY over 5GB in 3G for many months. But because my billing address was in a "4G zone"(I never saw 4G in Billerica) my data was unlimited.

You don't need to always be in 4G to get unlimited with Sprint. Much of the time I was never in 4G...

JimmyH
03-26-11, 01:21 PM
Well there you go Larry. Just sign up for the 4G plan, and you will be unlimited. I think it cost more though. I don't know.

thebigjimsho
03-26-11, 02:51 PM
I didn't sign up for a 4G plan with Sprint. I replaced my broadband modem with the Evo phone and the built in hotspot feature. It is a 3G/4G device. So whatever you can get, you get. 3G, 4G, whatever...

JimmyH
03-26-11, 03:51 PM
Larry, I seem to recall you telling me they could not give you the 4G plan? I know your house is not in a 4G area, but why wouldn't they give you the 4G plan?

Ranger
03-26-11, 08:16 PM
Well, they said I wasn't in the 4G area so all that was offered was the 3G. I never asked if I could pay for a 4G plan and get 3G unlimited. Somehow I doubt I could do that. I don't recall the price difference (if there was one).

JimmyH
03-26-11, 09:24 PM
You should be able to. Remember the primary purpose of mobile broadband is not for household users like you who have no other alternative; it is for people to use while on the go. On the road, at hotels, restaurants, etc. And remember, you can take it with you when you travel if you get a laptop. Did you sign up yet? I would just go to the Sprint store, and tell them you are interested in the unlimited 4G service. You won't get 4G at your house, and you will probably have to initialize somewhere on the other side of town (like that guy from Clear did). But you will have 3G unlimited. No 5gb cap.

Ranger
03-26-11, 09:57 PM
I signed up with Verizon. I should get the hotspot device on Tue. or Wed. I think they have a cap on 4G as well. I can check into it and have only a 14 day trial, but I can make any changes before then.

Now that I think about it I am pretty sure they do have a cap on 4G because the guy I talked to was surprised and went to Sprints web site to confirm it.

ThumperPup
03-27-11, 07:59 PM
the company way of thinking about it is probably like this
the don't have it for your warea where you get your bills sent to where you reside
so they don't have a way to charge

kind of like if you have a 2 year contract but you move your primary residence billing info and all to a area that your current company you are with does not suport then they can not keep you obligated to a contract
so then you have the right to have your contract canceled so you can then cancel your current plan without having to pay the erly termination fee

so in there way of thinking they don't offer it in your area so they have no way of charging you
if you are bound to want 4g service but your primary billing address is in an area that does not have that avalable to you
then get a second billing address even a P/O box in some cases work
how ever some places say for this very reason
they don't except PO boxes because they don't want you to be able to say well i don't have that address box number anymore so i cant get your service where i reside

so short story is
not going to happen at least if this is what i understand from reading what is going on
that is probably why they cant give the service where you are

I had ATT and there reps out to my house about a year back
no service inside my house i wanted to stay with ATT cause i did not want to change up for personal reasons
but no bars on my phone or mobile card anywhere in my house
they could not force me to buy a decide that would boost my service in my home
because that was not leagle
so they came up with a solution since they first gave me the option to opt out of my contract with them without having to pay an early termination fee
they then said what we will do is send you a 3g Microsell Hot spot unit for free and no extra charge for the service
witch they normally charged 150 for the Micro Cell unit and then 19.99 a month for the service of that unit

so basically they did what they could do to get me service in my home just for phone reception nothing els
you could walk out of my house and go 2 inches off the front lawn nd get 1 bar of service go 2 inche on my front lawn and couldnt find service for the life of me or it

CIWS
03-27-11, 08:03 PM
I signed up with Verizon. I should get the hotspot device on Tue. or Wed. I think they have a cap on 4G as well. I can check into it and have only a 14 day trial, but I can make any changes before then.

Now that I think about it I am pretty sure they do have a cap on 4G because the guy I talked to was surprised and went to Sprints web site to confirm it.

Verizon does have a limit on the 4G service 5GB or 10GB depending on which you pay for. But they also show you current usage each time you connect or anytime you hit a button to show current usage so you shouldn't have issues with huge overages.

Ranger
03-29-11, 04:43 PM
Got the Verizon hotspot today and it seems as fast if not faster than Clear. Never seen 4G, but I can't imagine things being much faster. All seems well so far and everyone is happy. If it's reliable, then I'll be happy :banana:

dkozloski
03-29-11, 05:00 PM
Good for you. I'm glad I live in a semi-urban environment with a rather ordinarily greedy robber baron cable provider. Strangely enough there is fiber strung all over town. I can see the stuff out my front window but it doesn't seem to be connected to anything.

JimmyH
03-29-11, 07:07 PM
Got the Verizon hotspot today and it seems as fast if not faster than Clear. Never seen 4G, but I can't imagine things being much faster. All seems well so far and everyone is happy. If it's reliable, then I'll be happy :banana:

I need to come over one of these days and check out your setup.

Ranger
03-29-11, 10:21 PM
You're always welcome Jimmy.

Ranger
04-05-11, 09:57 PM
Update:
Verizon seems to be performing pretty well so far with only 1 or 2 glitches. C/S and tech support seem to be very good and have solved any problems quickly, patiently and friendly.

That 5G limit is not as big as it seems. Projecting out my current usage it appears that we will be close and have to keep a close eye on it so as not to go over (and we've been watching it). I hate limits, but I guess it's better than dial-up.

JimmyH
04-05-11, 10:24 PM
did you ever call sprint to find out about their 4g plan? they claim no limit.

Ranger
04-05-11, 10:33 PM
I talked to them before I signed with Verizon, but checked their web site again afterwards on Verizons advice and did see something about "throttling". :tisk:

Playdrv4me
04-06-11, 04:58 AM
I talked to them before I signed with Verizon, but checked their web site again afterwards on Verizons advice and did see something about "throttling". :tisk:

I'd take throttling any day over surprise bill syndrome. I guess if you blaze through high megabit video content, then it is out of the question, but if all you do is surf the web, watch an occasional youtube video and browse forums, the throttling makes a lot more sense than the hard limit.

Playdrv4me
04-06-11, 05:00 AM
I talked to them before I signed with Verizon, but checked their web site again afterwards on Verizons advice and did see something about "throttling". :tisk:

My understanding is the throttling begins after the same 4 or 5gb anyway, and a throttled connection is far better than a hard cap with surprise bill syndrome isn't it? Plus, unless your going through gobs of high bandwidth video downloads, even the throttled speed will be better than nothing. For surfing the web, watching the occasional youtube video and browsing forums, even the throttled connection would be sufficient for me.

thebigjimsho
04-06-11, 11:22 AM
I've never noticed if I've been throttled or not and I do everything through this hotspot, whether it be in the car on the Evo or netbook or at home on my high powered hp. I also let clients and a couple other drivers use my connection if they need it.

Ranger
04-06-11, 12:33 PM
Well there won't be any surprise bills this time. I'm keeping a close watch on it. No videos, just web sites like this, her facebook and an occasional you tube. Even told my wife she had to "sell the farm" (facebook farmville). That thing seemed to use a lot of data. I've figured 170 MB per day to keep me at 5G per month. So far, so good.

JimmyH
04-06-11, 01:34 PM
I am fine with throttling on mobile broadband. They have to make sure bandwidth bottlenecks don't get created that would affect thousands of users.

I am not okay with it on my office connection though. It happened once and I raised holy hell with Comcast.

Ranger
04-06-11, 08:58 PM
I was under the impression that they could throttle you back slower than dial-up.

GizmoQ
04-06-11, 09:53 PM
I was under the impression that they could throttle you back slower than dial-up.

They can but they wouldn't dare. I, and a million others, gave them so much hell 10 years ago for doing that at 2GB - they swore, in writing, to us all that it would never happen again. That's why they're advertising now that "unlimited is unlimited." (Even if it isn't)